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Your take: Michele Bachmann officially leaves her church
July 18th, 2011
02:57 PM ET

Your take: Michele Bachmann officially leaves her church

By Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

(CNN) - On Friday we posted on Republican presidential candidate Michele Bachmann and her husband Marcus formally withdrawing their membership from their longtime Lutheran church in Minnesota just days before the congresswoman officially announced her candidacy for president.

The story had lots of people talking, with 2,500 comments and counting.

Many commenters posed a basic question: Why'd the Bachmann's leave their church?

I asked the Congresswoman that question after running into her at Washington's Reagan airport but didn't get very far.

A spokeswoman later told me that the Bachmanns had stopped attending the Minnesota church two years ago and are attending a nondenominational church in the state as their schedules permit.

Many commentators picked up on the connection between then presidential candidate Obama and his former pastor:NYcitizen
Before anybody says anything derogatory or mean regarding this article: Obama quit his church while he was running for President! Remember?? The pastor of his church, Rev. Wright, all of a sudden became very controversial....making the Obama's membership at the church put into question and much scrutiny! Then Obama threw Rev. Wright under the bus!!!! SO....with that being said....and Obama wound up being president.....LEAVE MICHELLE BACHMANN ALONE ON THIS ONE!!!! She has a darned good fighting chance become our next president, like it or not!

Melina319
The difference between Bachmann and Obama is that she is campaigning on her spirituality and religion and the president wasn't. She's distinguishing herself as holy and right and godly, the president was not.

One commenter wondered how a busy elected official and candidate could make it back home for Sunday services:

Nonimus
Perhaps she just couldn't make it to a Minn. church regularly since she's been in Washington D.C for the last few years.

Many commenters raised questions about the membership process at her church:

Sarah
The church council granted their request to be released from their membership???? Freaky. Could they have denied????

Michigan_Joe
Why would she go through the trouble of "quitting" a church that she says she hasn't attended in over two years? Something lies just below the surface that will surely rear its ugly head soon. Strange things from a strange woman.

One commenter seemed to have an answer for Michigan Joe, invoking the traditions of Bachmann's denomination, the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod:

R Bailey
In the WELS you are a member until you request release or transfer. We do not just kick people out.

Over on Twitter, @danielwanke responded to our tweet about Bachmann leaving her church this way: "Just the congregation she hadn't been attending."

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- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Belief • Christianity • Church • Michele Bachmann • Politics

soundoff (155 Responses)
  1. Rebumplican Daily News

    A spokesperson today said candidate Michele Bachmann, having recently left her church behind, is converting to Islam.

    Bachmann is also leaving her latent-gay, flaccid husband so that she can be free to pursue musician Yousef Islam (Cat Stevens). Bachmann is guoted as saying "I've always liked his music. You know what they say about musical men and their trombones..." and "As a Muslim and POuTUS, I could solve our terrorism problems once and for all. There's no way Al Kaida and his countrymen will attack a country with a Muslim leader. This will help me get elected in other ways too. In fact, it might be the only way I can get more than the teabagger vote and pull in anything from Obama's liberal base."

    Yousef Islam (Stevens) was heard to say "No way, dude, no friggin way. That leathery old haggis wouldn't have made it as my groupie even when she was 20, no matter how good her oratory skills are."

    July 19, 2011 at 1:54 pm |
  2. keith

    Regressive neocrat pervs.

    July 19, 2011 at 1:35 pm |
  3. WhoAreYou

    I'm amazed by the hatred coming through. Is that what Mr Obama would have you do?

    Is that part of the agenda from everyone who voted for him or just a select few?

    CNN blogs were not developed so you can HIT and RUN.

    Step out in the open where everyone of us can see you.

    Come out of the closets of hatred and defeat, man up, take your place on history, start your revolution in the streets, not on the blogs.

    Step up, go big or go home!

    Make a real statement for your cause.

    Christians around the world are being killed, put into prisons, and losing everything they have worked for.

    Is this the world you are promoting?

    Is America the next country to fully pursecute the church? Are working to this end? Show your true agenda. Don't tell us on the CNN blogs. Go live on TV. All channels. Be public. Force your hand.

    If you can't do that, go back in your caves and hide you spineless idiots.

    Is that how you want us to treat you? How does it feel?

    July 19, 2011 at 12:39 pm |
    • Realilty

      Stepping into the world of Truth:

      Saving Christians from the Infamous Resurrection Con:

      From that famous passage: In 1 Corinthians 15 St. Paul reasoned, "If Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith."

      Even now Catholic/Christian professors of theology are questioning the bodily resurrection of the simple, preacher man aka Jesus.

      To wit;

      From a major Catholic university's theology professor’s grad school white-board notes:

      "Heaven is a Spirit state or spiritual reality of union with God in love, without earthly – earth bound distractions.
      Jesus and Mary's bodies are therefore not in Heaven.

      Most believe that it to mean that the personal spiritual self that survives death is in continuity with the self we were while living on earth as an embodied person.

      Again, the physical Resurrection (meaning a resuscitated corpse returning to life), Ascension (of Jesus' crucified corpse), and Assumption (Mary's corpse) into heaven did not take place.

      The Ascension symbolizes the end of Jesus' earthly ministry and the beginning of the Church.

      Only Luke's Gospel records it. The Assumption ties Jesus' mission to Pentecost and missionary activity of Jesus' followers The Assumption has multiple layers of symbolism, some are related to Mary's special role as "Christ bearer" (theotokos). It does not seem fitting that Mary, the body of Jesus' Virgin-Mother (another biblically based symbol found in Luke 1) would be derived by worms upon her death. Mary's assumption also shows God's positive regard, not only for Christ's male body, but also for female bodies." "

      "In three controversial Wednesday Audiences, Pope John Paul II pointed out that the essential characteristic of heaven, hell or purgatory is that they are states of being of a spirit (angel/demon) or human soul, rather than places, as commonly perceived and represented in human language. This language of place is, according to the Pope, inadequate to describe the realities involved, since it is tied to the temporal order in which this world and we exist. In this he is applying the philosophical categories used by the Church in her theology and saying what St. Thomas Aquinas said long before him."
      http://eternal-word.com/library/PAPALDOC/JP2HEAVN.HTM

      The Vatican quickly embellished this story with a lot CYAP.

      Of course, we all know that angels are really mythical "pretty wingie talking thingies".

      With respect to rising from the dead, we also have this account:

      o An added note: As per R.B. Stewart in his introduction to the recent book, The Resurrection of Jesus, Crossan and Wright in Dialogue,
      o
      o p.4
      o
      o "Reimarus (1774-1778) posits that Jesus became sidetracked by embracing a political position, sought to force God's hand and that he died alone deserted by his disciples. What began as a call for repentance ended up as a misguided attempt to usher in the earthly political kingdom of God. After Jesus' failure and death, his disciples stole his body and declared his resurrection in order to maintain their financial security and ensure themselves some standing."
      o
      o p.168. by Ted Peters:
      o
      Even so, asking historical questions is our responsibility. Did Jesus really rise from the tomb? Is it necessary to have been raised from the tomb and to appear to his disciples in order to explain the rise of early church and the transcription of the bible? Crossan answers no, Wright answers, yes. "

      o So where are the bones"? As per Professor Crossan's analyses in his many books, the body of Jesus would have ended up in the mass graves of the crucified, eaten by wild dogs, covered with lime in a shallow grave, or under a pile of stones.

      July 19, 2011 at 12:50 pm |
    • Harry Hippobottomus

      Persecution complex much?

      July 19, 2011 at 12:57 pm |
    • WhoAreYou

      Bla blah blah... Now your tactic is to fill up your screen with garbage. You have a lot of time with your one free hand.

      You obvious can't read. Just copy / paste.

      Come out, come out, where you are. Can't see you. If We can't see you- we can't hear you.

      If you are so confident, put yourself on national TV. We need to see you. Cave dwellers don't have to hide anymore. You are free willed people.

      Express yourself openingly.

      Bye.

      July 19, 2011 at 12:58 pm |
    • Stevie7

      "Bla blah blah... Now your tactic is to fill up your screen with garbage."

      That's sort of what I thought of your original post. Since you're not signing in with your own name, but calling out others who aren't stepping out, I have a question for you. Are you the pot, or the kettle?

      July 19, 2011 at 4:24 pm |
  4. WhoAreYou

    Can't we all just along?

    Try building bridges instead of walls.

    Hate your neighbor is not the way to HOPE and CHANGE.

    So, who is your neighbor, only those who agree with you?

    If you hate Christians, does this make you the better person?

    I want to see more of you try Loving your neighbor. Or is that above your pay grade?

    July 19, 2011 at 12:10 pm |
    • SoundOfForest

      Look in the mirror when you say that, hypocrite.

      July 19, 2011 at 12:15 pm |
    • Mighty7

      People who speak in metaphors should shampoo my crotch.

      July 19, 2011 at 1:16 pm |
    • WhoAreYou

      Mighty7, I think if you switch blogs, there are several of your friends who would LOVE to take care of your personal grooming needs.

      July 19, 2011 at 1:30 pm |
  5. ADbooder

    Only a true 1d10t would live his or her life based on a single book! Try some independent though people!

    July 19, 2011 at 11:29 am |
    • Mike from CT

      I have heard that before, so, it can't be an independent thought. What do you base your life on?

      July 19, 2011 at 4:20 pm |
    • ADbooder

      I live my life with a firm belief in Karma. I'm also a firm believer that religion should have no part in governing. That quote is not new as you pointed out. However, we have states where textbooks are being re-written to teach more christian values (TX) while the entire concepts of science are being ignored and on the other end of the spectrum some states are teaching more socially progressive values (CA). We are handicapping our children by only teaching them the bible. Religion is and always should be a choice, and NOT a brainwashing. My point is simple, unless we teach our children and the youth of America every side of an argument and allow them to make educated, intelligent decisions we will fail as a country. Independent thought is what made our country great, don't let the bible kill that!

      July 20, 2011 at 4:54 pm |
  6. anti

    simply a move with no personal implications, a veneer of likeability to scape goat the vast ethical inadequacies

    July 19, 2011 at 10:57 am |
  7. rayy

    For those who say this is not newsworthy, it may be of interest to Catholics, since the church claims the pope is the Antichrist!

    Kooky church = it's news! (duh!)

    Plus, the evasiveness:

    When asked about her pastor, she asked, “Which one?” An aide quickly hustled her away, noting that they were late for a flight.

    July 19, 2011 at 10:42 am |
  8. SoundOfForest

    Church scandal – 3%, secular company scandal – 20%, home scandal – countless

    July 19, 2011 at 10:40 am |
    • SoundOfForest

      SoundOfForest: 42% jello, 71% duct tape, 913% toilet water, 349,734,324,342,987% crazy, .00000000000000001% literate, and 100% out to lunch.

      July 19, 2011 at 12:22 pm |
  9. AvdBerg

    By entering “evangelical scandals” on Google it provided almost 4 million listings. By entering “se.xual abuse scandals in the churches” it provided 7.3 million listings.
    Wouldn’t you agree that something is drastically wrong? For a better understanding of the word “Church” we invite you to read the article “Church and what it means” on our website. Also, to get a better understanding of The Mystery Babylon and the Mother of Harlots as spoken of in Revelation 17: 5, we invite you to read the articles “The Mystery Babylon” and “Popes and the Princes of This World”. You can locate our website by entering “a world deceived” on Google. It is easy to find as it has been the number one listing for the last five years out of more than 10 million listings. All of the other pages and articles on our website explain how this whole world has been deceived as confirmed in Revelation 12:9 and the Bible is true. It is the discerner of every thought and the intent of the heart (Hebrews 5:12).

    July 19, 2011 at 10:10 am |
    • Mike from CT

      Entering "27 hours in a day" into google gives you 423,000,000 hits... so the question is what are you doing with these extra three hours that must exist by association?

      July 19, 2011 at 10:22 am |
    • AvdBerg

      @Mike from CT

      We spend 24/7 working for the glory of God's Kingdom. We have a home, gardens, five grand children. Tomorrow I play a game of golf with two grand kids and on Thursday I assist a contractor with a project at my daughter's and son's homes. We have no time for Google. False accusations (Matthew 5:10-12). It would be better served if you obtained the facts first the next time you press the Reply button.

      July 19, 2011 at 10:34 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Mike
      "But none of those scapegoats were resurrected by the power of God... with witnesses to testify to the fact."

      He was resurrected by the power of Zeus, who when last I checked was a pretty powerful God!
      As for witnesses, there are none outside of your book of myths itself and their testimony is suspect given the myriad differences between the gospels.

      July 19, 2011 at 11:07 am |
    • Mike from CT

      AvdBerg, "We have no time for Google" you are the one wanting to list "google facts" so you do have time for google. BTW Becareful of proping yourself up with your works.

      July 19, 2011 at 3:41 pm |
  10. Wilhelmus

    Reality,

    What you post, that most people remain in the religion of the family or community in which they are born, is largely true. However, when you posit that where someone is born is an "accident", there I must disagree. No one is born to a particular family by accident, it is all arranged by God's providence. He is the one who determines whether a baby will be born to a Christian or a Muslim family. Being born to a Christian family does not absolutely guarantee salvation, but it carries with it the tremendous blessing of growing up hearing the good news of deliverance from sin and death through Jesus Christ the Savior. This blessing [of growing up in a Christian home] God grants to some and not to others, according to his sovereign will, by which he works out all things for his own glory. By his grace it is the norm that those born into Christian families will ordinarily grow up to be believers in Jesus Christ, and in him to be saved from sin and death. Of course, there are exceptions. Yet we can say that ordinarily God's grace of salvation runs through family lines. There are wonderful exceptions to this rule, testified by the fact that you can find people in every local Christian church who were not raised in Christian families, but who were brought to believe and receive Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord somewhere along the way, when the Holy Spirit caused them to respond in faith to the preaching of the good news of Jesus Christ, and joined them to his body, the church. Our understanding that God's grace normally runs through family lines is the foundation for the practice of infant baptism, and it is confirmed by your data. May God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit richly bless you. Visit: http://www.granitegushing.com

    July 19, 2011 at 10:05 am |
    • GodPot

      "He is the one who determines whether a baby will be born to a Christian or a Muslim family." So God in all his wisdom decides even before a child is born to place him in a Christian or a Muslim home thereby deciding for them what religion they will be, and of course your Christian God only sends the evil sperm to the Muslim's but keeps the pure "white" sperm for the Christians right? You make less sense than most 4 year old's I know. Grow up people, shed your ridiculous notions of religious based hate and exclusivity.

      July 19, 2011 at 10:49 am |
    • John

      You said it Godpot but for the most part I've stopped replying to these imbeciles because logic and facts don't work. Only their idea of the "truth" is real and everything else is the devil or liberals or gays or something like that.

      July 19, 2011 at 11:40 am |
  11. larry

    if this were a Democrat it would have never been reported!! The biased MSM try to dig up any kind of dirt on Republicans and ignore all the dirt on Democrats!! Realistically how is this supposed to be a news story?

    July 19, 2011 at 9:31 am |
    • Stevie7

      It's called the 'religious right' for a reason. Republicans, in general, wear their religion on their sleeve far more than Democrats. Bachmann makes a point of injecting her religious views into her politics, making this a relevant story.

      July 19, 2011 at 10:18 am |
  12. Sobelle

    I believe Michele Bachman is dangerous. I'm first of all a woman who came through the Equal Rights duration of time. I had to fight for everything after a divorce in 1967. It wasn't until 1975 after I remarried that I was granted equal credit. Wow. Women have always had to fight for what's right, but I don't see that happening with this woman. I'm afraid of her just like I'm afraid of the tea party. Look what's happening in Congress now and most of them are tea partiers. We need to get back to what's right with this nation of ours...we the people...for the people...of the people!

    July 19, 2011 at 9:12 am |
    • ShockedAndSurprised

      No surprise. A liberated women attacking another woman. You are the very example of why Hillary didn't win the nomination. You hypocrite.

      July 19, 2011 at 9:59 am |
    • Stevie7

      @ShockedandSurprised – are you suggesting that a woman cannot criticize another woman without being a hypocrite? Wow.

      July 19, 2011 at 10:21 am |
    • GodPot

      @Shocked – "A liberated women attacking another woman." So you say one is liberated, what does that make the other? A Christian housewife who stays at home where you believe she belongs to do dishes and pop out babies? Yeah, I think it does... You can keep your tired old ignorant habit's and rules of male headship, they are about as useful today as keeping your old 8-track player.

      July 19, 2011 at 10:56 am |
    • RFBJR

      @GodPot – My wife cooks my food, cleans my house, does my laundry, cuts my nasty toenails and rocks my world amongst other things. I would say give me a good ol' Christian gal anytime. I'm such a horrible chauvenist. Oh well, guess I'll have to go home and get my world rocked.

      July 19, 2011 at 11:56 am |
  13. WasabiPotPie

    My god Thor has a hammer and your god was nailed to a cross. End of discussion.

    July 19, 2011 at 8:57 am |
    • ShockedAndSurprised

      And HE rose on the 3rd day and now sits at the right hand of the FATHER. You left that part out. None of the other gods of this earth can or have done that. But you are ignorant and don't know any better.

      Of course you only see what you want to see. Thor, you must have just come from the movie. I'm surprised you even thought of this all on your own. Or, did mommy have to help you?

      July 19, 2011 at 9:09 am |
    • Reality Strikes Down Christianity Again

      Actually, you'll be Shocked And Surprised to know that the jesus scapegoat thing isn't unique to the Christian fairy tales. Many prior religions have had similar scapegoat tales and sac-rifice of all manner of humans and animals. But any thinking person would have to ask, why can't a god, an omnipotent creature, do away with sin without all the unnecessary scapegoat nonsense? The answer to that question is that none of it is necessary; the supposed "god" is a merely human invention.

      From Encyclopaedia Britannica (and there are many other sources):

      "The use of scapegoats has a long and varied history involving many kinds of animals, as well as human beings. In ancient Greece, human scapegoats (pharmakos) were used to mitigate a plague or other calamity or even to prevent such ills. The Athenians chose a man and woman for the festival of Thargelia. After being feasted, the couple was led around the town, beaten with green twigs, driven out of the city, and possibly even stoned. In this way the city was supposedly protected from ill fortune for another year.

      During the Roman feast of Lupercalia, priests (Luperci) cut thongs from the sacrificial animals (goats and a dog), then raced around the walls of the old Palatine city, striking women (especially) as they passed with the thongs. A blow from the hide of the scapegoat was said to cure sterility."

      Take your idiotic jesus on a stick story and shove it.

      July 19, 2011 at 9:51 am |
    • Stevie7

      @ShockedAndSuprised –

      "None of the other gods of this earth can or have done that. But you are ignorant and don't know any better."

      – Actually, both Dionysus and Osiris were both man and god, had god for a father, were executed and rose from the dead. Both of them did it before Jesus. Time to get in line.

      July 19, 2011 at 10:23 am |
    • Mike from CT

      But none of those scapegoats were resurrected by the power of God... with witnesses to testify to the fact.

      July 19, 2011 at 10:24 am |
    • Stevie7

      What witnesses would those be since the authors of the gospels were not witnesses?

      July 19, 2011 at 10:41 am |
    • ShockedAndSurprised

      You folks can quote the Book of Satan very well. Right out of his play book.

      July 19, 2011 at 12:02 pm |
    • And Now From KTEL, it's "Thor Sings Peter, Paul, and Not-A-Virgin Mary"!!!

      If I had a hammer
      I'd hammer Jesus in the morning
      I'd hammer him in the evening
      All over the cross

      I'd hammer out his delusions
      I'd hammer out his bullshit
      I'd hammer out the opression and the hatred
      And psychosis of his followers
      Aaaa-all over the world
      Ooo-ooo, ooo, ooo

      July 19, 2011 at 12:41 pm |
    • Mike from CT

      Stevie7, you know the answer to this.

      Matthew and John

      The people Luke talked to as stated in Luke
      1 Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled[a] among us, 2 just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word. 3 With this in mind, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, I too decided to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus,

      Alexander and Rufus the sons of Simon

      And the 500, who most were still alive that Paul begged the people to confirm with

      July 19, 2011 at 3:46 pm |
    • Stevie7

      @Mike in CT,

      The authors of the gospels of matthew and john are both anonymous, but were neither were apostles. The gospel of john was likely written about 70 years after jesus had passed away.

      And where does it say anywhere that paul actually talked to anyone that had seen jesus "resurrected"? And how long after the fact? Hearsay, especially decades after an event supposedly occurred, usually isn't a good way to establish fact.

      July 19, 2011 at 4:08 pm |
    • Mike from CT

      "The authors of the gospels of matthew and john are both anonymous, but were neither were apostles."
      - bold statement after first claiming not to know who they are you claim without a doubt who they are not

      "The gospel of john was likely written about 70 years after jesus had passed away."
      - The Gospel of John was written around "A date of about 65 A.D. would seem reasonable" - so that is actually 32-35 years after the crucifiction
      http://www.datingthenewtestament.com/John.htm

      "And where does it say anywhere that paul actually talked to anyone that had seen jesus "resurrected"? "
      1 Corinthians 15:3-6 - and I said Paul begged people to check with other sources not that he actually had dinner with them

      "And how long after the fact? "
      ~10-15 years after the crucifiction

      "Hearsay, especially decades after an event supposedly occurred, usually isn't a good way to establish fact."
      - funny because they are currently trying a mobster caught a month ago for crimes that occurred 30-40 years ago... so it is good enough for our court systems

      July 20, 2011 at 8:48 am |
  14. DontVoteForHer

    For all the anti-christian bigots,

    We welcome even you with open hearts.

    GOD so love the world (which includes those don't believe in HIM or agree with HIS will), that HE gave HIS only begotten SON, that whoever believes in HIM should not parish but have everlasting life.
    John 3:16

    There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in CHRIST JESUS, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the SPIRIT.
    Romans 8:1

    For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is LIFE and PEACE.
    Romans 8:6

    July 19, 2011 at 8:52 am |
    • Reality Strikes Down Christianity Again

      God so loved the world that he sent all manner of plagues, diseases, and natural disasters to torture humanity and cause suffering (all of which a personal, loving god could and would have prevented). What an as-shole your god would have to be.

      Actually, your god does not exist. Grow some courage and learn to face reality without your silly jeebus supersti-tions.

      July 19, 2011 at 9:55 am |
    • Juggling Squirrel-Jesus

      For whoever so loves a rodent shall find eternal happiness, but he that eateth or runeth over a rodent shall wail and gnash his teeth quite gnashily for all eternity
      -Animals 5:13-15

      July 19, 2011 at 10:26 am |
    • Mike from CT

      Actually he subjected all creation to futility Romans 8:20ff

      Where do you get off saying something is good or evil if it is all relative? Where is your idea of good and why is it "gooder" then the next person if you have no absolute goodness?

      July 19, 2011 at 10:26 am |
    • Sue

      Mike from CT yeah inventing a god lets you inject all the fake absolutes you want.

      July 19, 2011 at 10:33 am |
    • Mike from CT

      So Sue, in your lack of opinion Hilter was right? For if it is all subjective you can no more blame Hilter for what he did as you can for the color of his hair.

      Ignoring facts is what lead to fake absurities.

      July 19, 2011 at 3:49 pm |
    • Stevie7

      @Mike,

      Morality does not require a deity. One can easily see that hitler was wrong without some sort of Universal Absolute Truth

      July 19, 2011 at 3:56 pm |
    • Mike from CT

      Steve, you state it so plainly without question, like I am suppose to take it on faith or something 🙂

      Why is Hitler wrong? I mean if we are all here by some cosmic accident, if humans don't have any intrinsic value, Hilter killing Jews is no different then you killing your grass or your garden, or the animal on your club sandwich?

      Why is it wrong to kill the cosmic accidents?

      July 25, 2011 at 12:43 pm |
    • Mike from CT

      Also just noticed that you Universally say everyone can see Hilter is wrong and nothing is Universally true in the same sentence.

      July 25, 2011 at 12:45 pm |
  15. JF

    Forget about Bachmann, has anyone seen the Wal-Mart Jesus receipt? This will make a nice addition to the Jesus collection. My favorite of course is the Jesus waffle fry.

    http://www.wyff4.com/r/28568416/detail.html

    July 19, 2011 at 7:57 am |
    • JF

      http://mblogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/03/09/newseidolia/

      July 19, 2011 at 8:18 am |
    • Alex

      OMG! Someone took the shroud of Turin and left a receipt!

      July 19, 2011 at 12:19 pm |
  16. Wally in Minneapolis

    This morning on CNN we were treated to a discussion between the male announcer and a representative of the gay community. I am married to a wonderful lady and we have had 42 wonderful years together. However I believe the announcer was not only impolite to the reperesentative but continuously interrupted him and "talked over" hsi comments. Obviously this individual cannot keep his cool and should not be called upon to interview individuals who do not agree with his view of the world. I watch CNN for its candor and objectivity but I see that that has changed....

    July 19, 2011 at 7:49 am |
    • GodPot

      The only media outlet that has any "candor and objectivity" today is The Daily Show. All the other's including CNN have lost it since it doesn't sell well unless you add humor to it as Jon Stewart does. It's not an easy task in this world to speak truth to power, and it's easier to speak truth through a veil of humor much like the jester's of old.

      July 19, 2011 at 11:32 am |
  17. Cletus

    Are you kidding me? If this bozo becomes our next president I'm moving to South America.

    July 19, 2011 at 7:40 am |
    • Anna

      Hahaha, i'm with you on that one.

      July 19, 2011 at 9:06 am |
  18. Mark from Middle River

    Is this the same as when Obama, scared of losing the white vote, left his church in Chicago?

    July 19, 2011 at 1:12 am |
    • RFBJR

      I would say it's similar. Except that Bachman's ex-pastor probably doesn't hate America and believe that Jesus was black.

      July 19, 2011 at 9:32 am |
    • lan

      @RFBJR.... Jesus, according to legend, was from Palestine, which means he certainly had dark skin. We know he was not white with blonde hair..... What skin color do you think he had??

      July 19, 2011 at 12:21 pm |
  19. Michel

    Reality-You wouldn't know reality if it bit you in the a__! Get a life. Doc

    July 18, 2011 at 11:46 pm |
    • Reality

      Life and Religion:

      "John Hick, a noted British philosopher of religion, estimates that 95 percent of the people of the world owe their religious affiliation to an accident of birth. The faith of the vast majority of believers depends upon where they were born and when. Those born in Saudi Arabia will almost certainly be Moslems, and those born and raised in India will for the most part be Hindus. Nevertheless, the religion of millions of people can sometimes change abruptly in the face of major political and social upheavals. In the middle of the sixth century ce, virtually all the people of the Near East and Northern Africa, including Turkey, Syria, Iraq, and Egypt were Christian. By the end of the following century, the people in these lands were largely Moslem, as a result of the militant spread of Islam.

      The Situation Today

      Barring military conquest, conversion to a faith other than that of one’s birth is rare. Some Jews, Moslems, and Hindus do convert to Christianity, but not often. Similarly, it is not common for Christians to become Moslems or Jews. Most people are satisfied that their own faith is the true one or at least good enough to satisfy their religious and emotional needs. Had St. Augustine or St. Thomas Aquinas been born in Mecca at the start of the present century, the chances are that they would not have been Christians but loyal followers of the prophet Mohammed." – J. Somerville

      It is very disturbing that religious narrow- mindedness, intolerance, violence and hatred continues unabated due to radomness of birth. Maybe just maybe if this fact would be published on the first page of every newspaper every day, that we would finally realize the significant stupidity of all religions.
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      July 19, 2011 at 8:01 am |
  20. Reality

    Summarizing with a prayer:

    The Apostles' Creed 2011: (updated by yours truly based on the studies of NT historians and theologians during the past 200 years)

    I might believe in a god whose existence cannot be proven
    and said god if he/she/it exists resides in an unproven,
    human-created, spirit state of bliss called heaven.

    I believe there was a 1st century CE, Jewish, simple,
    preacher-man who was conceived by a Jewish carpenter
    named Joseph living in Nazareth and born of a young Jewish
    girl named Mary. (Some say he was a mamzer.)

    Jesus was summarily crucified for being a temple rabble-rouser by
    the Roman troops in Jerusalem serving under Pontius Pilate,

    He was buried in an unmarked grave and still lies
    a-mouldering in the ground somewhere outside of
    Jerusalem.

    Said Jesus' story was embellished and "mythicized" by
    many semi-fiction writers. A bodily resurrection and
    ascension stories were promulgated to compete with the
    Caesar myths. Said stories were so popular that they
    grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity
    and featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
    called the eucharistic sacrifice of the non-atoning Jesus.

    Amen

    July 18, 2011 at 11:46 pm |
    • RaleighRob

      Reality...very funny. The problem is you just recapitulate the same old tired anti Christ rhetoric. Let's face it, you choose not to believe because the "evidence" mitigates against belief a in Christ but because you don't want to. You think you are fine just the way you are and don't need help, salvation, or forgiveness. In your own way you are just a self righteous person doing fine on your own, according to your own code. So lighten up, Jesus didn't come for you: "It's not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I didn't come to call the righteous, but the sinners." You apparently don't need Him.

      July 19, 2011 at 9:13 am |
    • keith

      PERV !

      July 19, 2011 at 10:15 am |
    • GodPot

      "Let's face it, you choose not to believe because the "evidence" mitigates against belief a in Christ but because you don't want to."

      Let's take this statement and apply it to other things...

      "Let's face it, you choose not to believe because the "evidence" mitigates against belief a in Unicorns but because you don't want to." Proof that Atheists hate Unicorns...

      "Let's face it, you choose not to believe because the "evidence" mitigates against belief a in Bigfoot but because you don't want to." Again, proof atheists hate Bigfoot...

      I am facing it and your argument is found wanting.

      The truth is, you choose to believe in the "evidence" that mitigates a belief in Christ but because you want to. It makes you feel good inside, a sense of belonging, just like a NASCAR fan at an event, surrounded by everyone else who just loves watching car's drive in around in circles. None of the circles driven solve any of mankind's problems, but much like religion, it makes you feel as if you are going somewhere even when you are not.

      July 19, 2011 at 11:50 am |
    • Realilty

      Saving Christians from the Infamous Resurrection Con:

      From that famous passage: In 1 Corinthians 15 St. Paul reasoned, "If Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith."

      Even now Catholic/Christian professors of theology are questioning the bodily resurrection of the simple, preacher man aka Jesus.

      To wit;

      From a major Catholic university's theology professor’s grad school white-board notes:

      "Heaven is a Spirit state or spiritual reality of union with God in love, without earthly – earth bound distractions.
      Jesus and Mary's bodies are therefore not in Heaven.

      Most believe that it to mean that the personal spiritual self that survives death is in continuity with the self we were while living on earth as an embodied person.

      Again, the physical Resurrection (meaning a resuscitated corpse returning to life), Ascension (of Jesus' crucified corpse), and Assumption (Mary's corpse) into heaven did not take place.

      The Ascension symbolizes the end of Jesus' earthly ministry and the beginning of the Church.

      Only Luke's Gospel records it. The Assumption ties Jesus' mission to Pentecost and missionary activity of Jesus' followers The Assumption has multiple layers of symbolism, some are related to Mary's special role as "Christ bearer" (theotokos). It does not seem fitting that Mary, the body of Jesus' Virgin-Mother (another biblically based symbol found in Luke 1) would be derived by worms upon her death. Mary's assumption also shows God's positive regard, not only for Christ's male body, but also for female bodies." "

      "In three controversial Wednesday Audiences, Pope John Paul II pointed out that the essential characteristic of heaven, hell or purgatory is that they are states of being of a spirit (angel/demon) or human soul, rather than places, as commonly perceived and represented in human language. This language of place is, according to the Pope, inadequate to describe the realities involved, since it is tied to the temporal order in which this world and we exist. In this he is applying the philosophical categories used by the Church in her theology and saying what St. Thomas Aquinas said long before him."
      http://eternal-word.com/library/PAPALDOC/JP2HEAVN.HTM

      With respect to rising from the dead, we also have this account:

      o An added note: As per R.B. Stewart in his introduction to the recent book, The Resurrection of Jesus, Crossan and Wright in Dialogue,
      o
      o p.4
      o
      o "Reimarus (1774-1778) posits that Jesus became sidetracked by embracing a political position, sought to force God's hand and that he died alone deserted by his disciples. What began as a call for repentance ended up as a misguided attempt to usher in the earthly political kingdom of God. After Jesus' failure and death, his disciples stole his body and declared his resurrection in order to maintain their financial security and ensure themselves some standing."
      o
      o p.168. by Ted Peters:
      o
      Even so, asking historical questions is our responsibility. Did Jesus really rise from the tomb? Is it necessary to have been raised from the tomb and to appear to his disciples in order to explain the rise of early church and the transcription of the bible? Crossan answers no, Wright answers, yes. "

      o So where are the bones"? As per Professor Crossan's analyses in his many books, the body of Jesus would have ended up in the mass graves of the crucified, eaten by wild dogs, covered with lime in a shallow grave, or under a pile of stones.

      July 19, 2011 at 12:46 pm |
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