July 25th, 2011
11:13 AM ET

Is 'Christian fundamentalist' label correct for Norway terror suspect?

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

(CNN) - Given initial suspicions that Friday's bombing and mass shooting in Norway were carried out by Islamic militants linked to al Qaeda, the way police ended up describing the suspect behind the attacks came as a big surprise even to many security experts: The alleged attacker was called a "Christian fundamentalist."

But experts on European politics and religion say that the Christian fundamentalist label could overstate the extent to which the suspect, Anders Behring Breivik - who has told authorities that he carried out the attacks - was motivated by religion, and the extent to which he is tied to a broader religious movement.

"It is true that he sees himself as a crusader and some sort of Templar knight," said Marcus Buck, a political science professor at Norway's University of Tromso, referring to an online manifesto that Breivik appears to have authored and which draws inspiration from medieval Christian crusaders.

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"But he doesn't seem to have any insight into Christian theology or any ideas of how the Christian faith should play any role in Norwegian or European society," Buck wrote in an email message. "His links to Christianity are much more based on being against Islam and what he perceives of as 'cultural Marxism.'"

From what the 1,500-page manifesto says, Breivik appears to have been motivated more by an extreme loathing of European multiculturalism that has accompanied rapid immigration from the developing world, and of the European Union's growing powers, than by Christianity.

"My impression is that Christianity is used more as a vehicle to unjustly assign some religious moral weight," to his political views, said Anders Romarheim, a fellow at the Norwegian Institute for Defence Studies. "It is a signifier of Western culture and values, which is what they pretend to defend."

"I would say they are more anti-Islam than pro-Christian," Romarheim said in reference to what appear to be Breivik's views.

The manifesto is religion-obsessed in that it rants for long stretches against Muslims and their growing presence in Europe.

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It calls for a European civil war to overthrow governments, end multiculturalism and execute "cultural Marxists." The manifesto includes a link to a video asserting that the majority of Europe's population will be Muslim by 2050 "unless we manage to defeat the ruling Multiculturalist Alliance."

The author of the document identifies himself as Breivik, but CNN could not independently verify that he wrote the document, and Norwegian authorities would not confirm that the man in their custody wrote the manifesto, saying it was part of their investigation

Opposition to booming Muslim immigration to Europe, exacerbated by high birth rates in the Muslim community, has become a mainstay of Europe's burgeoning far-right, helping right-wing parties gain seats in parliaments across the continent.

But those right-wing movements are mostly secular. Europe's hard right does not have deep ties to Christianity in the way that the United States' conservative movement is entwined with evangelical Christianity and other theologically conservative religious movements.

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Recently adopted European laws aimed at curbing Islam's public visibility, including France's new burqa ban and Switzerland ban on minarets - towers that a part of mosques - were secular causes, not ones championed by Christian interests. Many Christian groups oppose such bans.

"The bulk of the anti-Muslim sentiment is not against Muslims as such, but is a secular rejection of how some Muslims allegedly want to place Islam at the center of society," Buck said. "It is more anti-religious than anti-Muslim."

Breivik's apparent manifesto, by contrast, cites biblical verses to justify violence for political ends.

"Clearly, this is not a pacifist God we serve," it says. "It's God who teaches our hands to war and our fingers to fight. Over and over again throughout the Old Testament, His people are commanded to fight with the best weapons available to them at that time."

"The biggest threat to Europe is the cultural Marxist/multiculturalist political doctrine of 'extreme egalitarian emotionalism,'" the manifesto goes on. "This type of political stance involves destroying Christendom, the Church, our European cultures and identities and opening up our borders to Islamic colonization."

The video that's linked to in the manifesto also includes some religious language: "Celebrate us, the martyrs of the conservative revolution, for we will soon dine in the Kingdom of Heaven."

Experts on religion in Europe said those faith-infused views are likely peculiar to the suspected gunman and do not appear reflect wider religious movements, even as they echoes grievances of Europe's right-wing political groups.

"He was a flaky extremist who might as well have claimed to be fighting for the honor of Hogwarts as for the cause of Christ," said Philip Jenkins, a Pennsylvania State University professor who studies global religion and politics, describing the suspected Norway attacker. "He did not represent a religious movement. ... People should not follow that Christian fundamentalist red herring."

At the same time, Breivik told investigators during interviews that he belongs to an international order, The Knights Templar, according to Norwegian newspaper VG, which cited unnamed sources.

He described the organization as an armed Christian order, fighting to rid the West of Islamic suppression, the newspaper said. He also told investigators he had been in contact with like-minded individuals and said he counts himself as a representative of this order, it said.

For many in Norway, the potential implications of the suspected killer's religion are still settling in.

"This is the first time we've heard of Christianity/religion as a driving force behind right-wing extremism," Buck said. "The mainstream right-wing movements in the Nordic countries (very small and disorganized groups in Norway) would generally point to the Old Norse beliefs, if anything."

"Norwegian, Nordic and European society," he said, "were totally unprepared for a violent attack from someone who calls himself Christian."

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Christianity • Islam • Norway • Terrorism

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  1. Buddy R

    Sir, you suggesting the man was a Christian is highly deceptive.

    The man did not follow the teachings of Christ and is not a Christian according to the words of Jesus Christ. Jesus said if you do not follow his teachings you are not his. Period. In my opinion anyone who calls the man a Christian is either ignorant of the Bible or a willful liar.

    Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
    Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
    Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

    1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

    Jesus taught us to love everyone, even our enemies. Not to kill them. The Bible says anyone who claims to know God but who hates or murders is a liar.

    Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

    1Jn 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

    1Jn 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

    Mr article writer, according to the Bible the man who killed all those kids did not know God. He is a liar in calling himself a Christian. He hates people and he murders and he does not live according to the core teachings of Christianity.

    Mat 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
    Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
    Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
    Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

    Can you show me one verse in the New Testament that says to hate anyone? The New Testament says that any man who claims to know God but who hates or murders is not a Christian.

    Mr article writer, can you show me one instance of Jesus or the apostles saying to commit any act of violence? Did Jesus or the apostles ever lead raids on Rome? No.

    The shooter's thoughts were grounded in hate, not in the message of Jesus to love all people.

    July 26, 2011 at 11:25 am |
    • Fred1

      OK here's one
      "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. "For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household."
      - (Matthew 10:34-36)

      July 26, 2011 at 7:58 pm |
  2. A.J. Deus

    Breivik: Oslo Terror Knights initiating anti-Muslim counter-Reformation
    The general idea of the Christian Terror Knights is to provoke the Muslim communities in the West to take more extreme positions and be drawn into violence. Thinking or hoping that Breivik is not a Christian fundamentalist is missing the core of his manual: the creation of a European Church under the Catholic papacy (he is a disenchanted Protestant). Read the background information on http://www.ajdeus.org/articles/437

    July 26, 2011 at 11:06 am |
  3. Ron

    It's sad but predictable at all the Christians claiming that this Right Wing Christian Fundamentalist, isn't Christian.
    Sorry but even if he did the killings all on his own or with the support of a group, it doesn't matter. Accept the fact that, whether or not you think he was Christian, as a self proclaimed Christian, he murdered 93 people. Time to put on your big girl panties and take responsibility for the act. Sadly, conservative, evangel Christians will not take any responsibility. Responsibility is something I don't see in their religious community, it's always someone elses fault.
    What this guy did is what I expect the conservative evangel Christians in the U.S. to eventually do. Why, because if you listen to many of their preachers, it's all about taking the nation back to its "Christian origin". Never was in the first place but then again, why bother with truth when you can simply justify the beliefs, like this man did.

    July 26, 2011 at 10:24 am |
  4. Muneef

    The lawyer of this guy is in bad shape hiding some thing that is bigger than him.....the issue is bigger than just a killing the issue is bigger than you imagine...and can read that on the face of the lawyer answering to media questions.... Prepare your selves for the worse coming now others will try to copycat him...shame really that human is over taken by the evil forces whether he is Religious or non religious....killing is evil.evil.evil..

    This guy will be able to go for suing the Gvt of Norway and maybe the whole Europian system for openning the doors wide open for immigration of non Europian ancestors non Christians which to his balance should remain the majority 99.99 to any other race or religion...

    July 26, 2011 at 10:10 am |
    • Muneef

      The whole Europian,American economy falling and will wash out with it the whole nations that depended economically on their currencies the whole world system is falling apart..and new world will be born only God knows who's and if would be for the Good or the Worse on man being.....

      July 26, 2011 at 10:16 am |
  5. Frogist

    "Factions of the right will act out of fear of marginalization as their liberal governments ignore nationalistic interests, and the left is just generally nuts enough to keep pushing for a "global multicultural mix, " so there's more shít coming our way."
    Sounds like something Breivik would say.

    July 26, 2011 at 10:00 am |
  6. Methusalem

    All false worship is at heart demonic; behind every false religion is the work of demons who, on the one hand, deceive individuals as to the true worship, and, on the other hand, seek to satisfy the spiritual need of man with variations of false worship; demons are always opposed to the Truth.

    It is obvious that demons influence people, even controlling them at times; and people cooperate with the demons, most of the time without comprehending the source and essential nature of their practice, which they may deem to be the epitome of piety and do not perceive that it is actually demonic.

    What can demons do?

    -They teach.

    -They deceive

    -They affect the mind

    -They foster a false wisdom

    Let's look at some of the major false religious systems still in operation in the world today, with each one of them being run by demonic spirits who specialize in each one of these demonic systems:

    -Jehovah’s Witnesses
    -Christian Science
    -Hare Krishna
    -Unification Church
    -The Children of God
    -The Forum
    -The Way International

    July 26, 2011 at 8:48 am |
    • Rational

      First of all, demons are not real until you can provide evidence to the contrary. We have something called Psychology that explains why man behaves the way it does.

      Secondly, atheism isn't a religion. It's a lack of belief in gods.

      Thirdly, all religions are false until they can prove otherwise. This includes Christianity (which I noticed is conveniently missing from the list).

      July 26, 2011 at 9:09 am |
    • Methusalem

      "demons are not real until you can provide evidence"

      Can you provide evidence that demons are not real?

      July 26, 2011 at 9:59 am |
    • Rational

      You are making the assertion that they are real. I'm simply saying that you lack evidence. The burden of proof is yours.

      July 26, 2011 at 10:45 am |
    • mitch

      How does your "just because u can't disprove it" theory make any sense to u or any religious person. It drives me crazy

      July 26, 2011 at 11:58 am |
    • Reality

      A version of the Infamous Angelic con:

      Joe Smith had his Moroni.

      Jehovah Witnesses have their Jesus /Michael the archangel, the first angelic being created by God;

      Mohammed had his Gabriel (this "tin-kerbell" got around).

      Jesus and his family had Michael, Gabriel, and Satan, the latter being a modern day dem-on of the de-mented.

      The Abraham-Moses myths had their Angel of Death and other "no-namers" to do their dirty work or other assorted duties.

      Contemporary biblical and religious scholars have relegated these "pretty/ugly wingie thingies" to the myth pile. We should do the same to include deleting all references to them in our religious operating manuals. Doing this will eliminate the prophet/profit/prophecy status of these founders and put them where they belong as simple humans just like the rest of us.

      July 26, 2011 at 12:24 pm |
  7. pentagon

    i guest that guy want to live in jail and put his life in bars..and pray to dei..and see the devil behind his side......

    July 26, 2011 at 8:31 am |
    • pentagon

      100% money from family mamy.dady.brother.sister.grandpa.grandma.and cousin$

      July 26, 2011 at 8:34 am |
  8. Ali

    This whole thing just goes to show that religion ANY religion has outlived its usefulness for humankind. Shame on all the apologists here, you sound like the Tlaiban apoligists that come out on Pakistan's TV each time there is a suicide attack.

    July 26, 2011 at 8:05 am |
    • Rational

      Precisely. A lot of people are in denial about his Christian faith. Read his manifesto, people. He rants about Islamic fundamentalism and protecting Christians and Jews from Islam.

      July 26, 2011 at 9:14 am |
  9. Reality

    Some recent history:

    1a) 179 killed in Mumbai/Bombay, 290 injured

    1b) Assassination of Benazir Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh

    2) 9/11, 3000 mostly US citizens, 1000’s injured

    3) The 24/7 Sunni-Shiite centuries-old blood feud currently being carried out in Iraq, US troops killed in action, 3,483 and 925 in non combat roles. 99,901 – 109,143 Iraqi civilians killed as of 3/3/2011/, mostly due to suicide bombers, http://www.iraqbodycount.org/ and http://www.defenselink.mil/news/casualty.pdf

    4) Kenya- In Nairobi, about 212 people were killed and an estimated 4000 injured; in Dar es Salaam, the attack killed at least 11 and wounded 85.[2]

    5) Bali-in 2002-killing 202 people, 164 of whom were foreign nationals, and 38 Indonesian citizens. A further 209 people were injured.

    6) Bali in 2005- Twenty people were killed, and 129 people were injured by three bombers who killed themselves in the attacks.

    7) Spain in 2004- killing 191 people and wounding 2,050.

    8. UK in 2005- The bombings killed 52 commuters and the four radical Islamic suicide bombers, injured 700.

    9) The execution of an eloping couple in Afghanistan on 04/15/2009 by the Taliban.

    10) – Afghanistan: US troops 1,141 killed in action, 242 killed in non-combat situations as of 03/03/2011. Over 40,000 Afghan civilians killed due to the dark-age, koranic-driven Taliban acts of horror

    11) The killing of 13 citizen soldiers at Ft. Hood by a follower of the koran.

    12) 38 Russian citizens killed on March 29, 2010 by Muslim women suicide bombers.

    13) The May 28, 2010 attack on a Islamic religious minority in Pakistan, which have left 98 dead,

    14) Lockerbie is known internationally as the site where, on 21 December 1988, the wreckage of Pan Am Flight 103 crashed as a result of a terrorist bomb. In the United Kingdom the event is referred to as the Lockerbie disaster, the Lockerbie bombing, or simply Lockerbie. Eleven townspeople were killed in Sherwood Crescent, where the plane's wings and fuel tanks plummeted in a fiery explosion, destroying several houses and leaving a huge crater, with debris causing damage to a number of buildings nearby. The 270 fatalities (259 on the plane, 11 in Lockerbie) were citizens of 21 nations.

    15 The daily suicide and/or roadside and/or mosque bombings in the terror world of Islam.

    16) Bombs sent from Yemen by followers of the koran which fortunately were discovered before the bombs were detonated.

    17) The killing of 58 Christians in a Catholic church in one of the latest acts of horror and terror in Iraq.

    18) Moscow airport suicide bombing: 35 dead, 130 injured. January 25, 2011.

    19) A Pakistani minister, who had said he was getting death threats because of his stance against the country's controversial blasphemy law, was shot and killed Wednesday, 3/2/2011

    20) two American troops killed in Germany by a recently radicalized Muslim, 3/3/2011

    21) the kidnapping and apparent killing of a follower of Zoraster in the dark world of Islamic Pakistan.

    22) Shariatpur, Bangladesh (CNN 3/30/2011) – Hena Akhter's last words to her mother proclaimed her innocence. But it was too late to save the 14-year-old girl. Her fellow villagers in Bangladesh's Shariatpur district had already passed harsh judgment on her. Guilty, they said, of having an affair with a married man. The imam from the local mosque ordered the fatwa, or religious ruling, and the punishment: 101 lashes delivered swiftly, deliberately in public. Hena dropped after 70 and died a week later.

    Some elements of our War on Terror and Aggression:

    -Operation Iraqi Freedom- The 24/7 Sunni-Shiite centuries-old blood feud currently being carried out in Iraq, US Troops killed in action, 3,481 and 924 died in non-combat, 99,901 – 109,143 Iraqi civilians killed as of 3/3/2011/, mostly due to suicide bombers, http://www.iraqbodycount.org/ and http://www.defenselink.mil/news/casualty.pdf

    – Operation Enduring Freedom in Afghanistan: US troops 1,141 killed in action, 242 killed in non-combat situations as of 03/03/2011. Over 40,000 Afghan civilians killed due to the dark-age, koranic-driven Taliban acts of horror,

    – Sa-dd-am, his sons and major he-nchmen have been deleted. Sa-dd-am's bravado about WMD was one of his major mistakes. Kuwait was saved.

    – Iran is being been contained. (beside containing the Sunni-Shiite civil war in Baghdad, that is the main reason we are in Iraq. And yes, essential oil continues to flow from the region.)

    – North Korea is still u-ncivil but is contained.

    – Northern Ireland is finally at peace.

    – The Jews and Palestinians are being separated by walls. Hopefully the walls will follow the 1948 UN accords. Unfortunately the Annapolis Peace Conference was not successful. And unfortunately the recent events in Gaza has put this situation back to “squ-are one”. And this significant stupidity is driven by the mythical foundations of both religions!!!

    – – Fa-na–tical Islam has basically been contained to the Middle East but a wall between India and Pakistan would be a plus for world peace. Ditto for a wall between Afghanistan and Pakistan.

    – Timothy McVeigh was exe-cuted. Terry Nichols escaped the death penalty twice because of deadlocked juries. He was sentenced to 161 consecutive life terms without the possibility of parole,[3][7] and is incarcerated in ADX Florence, a super maximum security prison near Florence, Colorado. He shares a cellblock that is commonly referred to as "Bombers Row" with Ramzi Yousef and Ted Kaczynski

    – Eric Ru-dolph is spending three life terms in pri-son with no par-ole.

    – Jim Jones, David Koresh, Kaczynski, the "nuns" from Rwanda, and the KKK were all dealt with and either eliminated themselves or are being punished.

    – Islamic Sudan, Dar-fur and So-malia are still terror hot spots.

    – The terror and tor-ture of Muslims in Bosnia, Kosovo and Kuwait were ended by the proper application of the military forces of the USA and her freedom-loving friends. Ra-dovan Karadzic was finally captured on 7/23/08 and is charged with genocide, crimes against humanity and violations of the law of war – charges related to the 1992-1995 civil war that followed Bosnia-Herzegovina's secession from Yugoslavia.

    The capture of Ratko Mladić: (Serbian Cyrillic: Ратко Младић, pronounced [râtkɔ mlǎːditɕ], born 12 March 1943[1][2]) is an accused war criminal and a former Bosnian Serb military leader. On May 31, 2011, Mladić was extradited to The Hague, where he was processed at the detention center that holds suspects for the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY).[3] His trial began on 3 June 2011.

    – the bloody terror brought about by the Ja-panese, Na-zis and Co-mmunists was with great difficulty eliminated by the good guys.

    – Bin Laden was executed for crimes against humanity on May 1, 2011

    July 26, 2011 at 7:35 am |
  10. whirlingmerc

    The guy was a secular humanist who ridiculed people who trusted in God as weak. He was first and foremost a nationalist and considered nationalist atheists and nationalist agnostics as "Christian" He was also a Darwinist. He was raised in a secular home and described himself as not particularly religious

    It is a sad commentary on the shallowness of the American and European press when a very non religious person who ridicules trust in God in Neitche-esque manner is painted somehow someway as a 'Christian" and gasp... a "Christian Fundamentalist" no less !! perhaps this is a bellwether that the book "The closing of the American Mind" was spot on in saying the Western World is decreasingly able to think about religious issues in a serious mature manner

    July 26, 2011 at 7:00 am |
  11. Beatrice

    Norway have too many non-religious by now. They should go back to their sane good Lutheran tradition and stop being naive and install death penalty.

    July 26, 2011 at 6:58 am |
    • Fred1

      Yes there good lutherin background. Here are some quotes from the man himself
      First to set fire to their synagogues or schools and to bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them. This is to be done in honor of our Lord and of Christendom, so that God might see that we are Christians
      Second, I advise that their houses also be razed and destroyed. For they pursue in them the same aims as in their synagogues.
      Third, I advise that all their prayer books and Talmudic writings, in which such idolatry, lies, cursing and blasphemy are taught, be taken from them
      Fourth, I advise that their rabbis be forbidden to teach henceforth on pain of loss of life and limb.
      Fifth, I advise that safe¬conduct on the highways be abolished completely for the Jews. For they have no business in the countryside, since they are not lords, officials, tradesmen, or the like. Let they stay at home
      Sixth, I advise that usury be prohibited to them, and that all cash and treasure of silver and gold be taken from them and put aside for safekeeping…. by it they have stolen and robbed from us all they possess.
      Seventh, I commend putting a flail, an ax, a hoe, a spade, a distaff, or a spindle into the hands of young, strong Jews and Jewesses and letting them earn their bread in the sweat of their brow, as was imposed on the children of Adam Gen 3:19.
      Martin Luther: The Jews and Their Lies

      July 26, 2011 at 8:27 pm |
  12. Norm - not that one

    With more words than necessary, all that was said was the familiar "he wasn't a "True Christian ™".
    Interestingly, it is only by acts of insanity, like this, that christians turn their backs on their fanatical brotherhood cult.

    July 26, 2011 at 5:34 am |
    • Jwalker

      Make no mistake about it, this animal was no Christian

      July 26, 2011 at 5:41 am |
  13. Jwalker

    How can a Zionist be atheist? That's like saying the Catholics worship buddha

    July 26, 2011 at 5:26 am |
  14. LauraJT

    All I had to do was read the first paragraph of the article . . . Yes, he was a Christian Fundamentalist. The same idiots are terrorising the U.S. as I speak and are destroying this country as well.

    July 26, 2011 at 5:22 am |
    • Jwalker

      Let me guess, you must be a Muslim

      July 26, 2011 at 5:29 am |
  15. debbie carter


    July 26, 2011 at 5:05 am |
    • far center

      Well that's not very Christian of you

      July 26, 2011 at 5:07 am |
    • Emiliano

      What's wrong with athiest let's judge a person by his actions bot his beliefs. People Luke u are morons.

      July 26, 2011 at 5:17 am |
  16. John


    July 26, 2011 at 4:34 am |
  17. Str8alkeris Xpressivus

    That Conky and Drew (as well as other commentors) are both referencing the Bible to support themselves regarding an issue they're divided on, is case-in-point as to the root of the problem with Religions and their Scriptures: conflict is inevitable (even WITHIN Christianity/Islam) whenever people become dogmatic over writings they consider to be the very words of the Almighty, because–much to the believer's consternation–these "scriptures" actually DO SUPPORT BOTH SIDES of competing interpretations! The compilations of ancient writings considered "inspired" weren't chosen because of their consistencies/agreements; on the contrary, the potency of their influence is due to the way they try to cover all the bases and attempt to have every argument both ways–according to their particular theme. Christians like to claim that one needs the Spirit of God to guide the heart and illuminate the Bible, conversely accusing whoever disagrees with their version of NOT having the Spirit. However, instead of relying on some mystical "paraclete" (guiding companion) to determine which of the Bible's inconsistancies to give precedence (thereby subjegating all competing verses/doctrines to the role of "clarifiers", instead of "contradictions"–nice try), let's put our emotions (i.e.-fears) in check and admit that–considering all the ways that scriptures have been used to the detriment of humanity–they could NOT be the perfectly inspired product of an all-knowing and all-loving Deity, Who's prime intention was to bring humanity back into harmony with each other and Itself.

    I've spent the majority of my years whole-heartedly serving in and training/studying for the Christian ministry, only to conclude that the endemic combination of "cognitive-dissonance" and "divine-silence" wasn't worth my sanity and integrity. I can no longer honestly seek for the Source of Truth through someone else's interpretations of stranger's translations of copies of the dreams/visions of yet further ancients, nor consider that severely convoluted hearsay to be the Creator's "personal love-letter" to me.

    Let's seek to benefit humanity and the world around us, by adhering to that code intrinsic to all of us–which includes the abhorance of killing innocents and children: treat others the way you'd want to be treated (that wasn't a Jesus-original). Anyone who finds pleasure in or makes excuses for the destruction of others, may very well be a true 'believer' in some other dimension, but, they have abdicated their humanity in the process. After all, this 'human-experience' is all any of us can really know we have for sure. Don't waste it speculating on allegations and wishes.

    July 26, 2011 at 4:34 am |
    • far center


      July 26, 2011 at 5:04 am |
    • Str8alkeris Xpressivus

      far center, were you attempting to make a contribution to this discussion, or does your keyboard have flatulence?

      July 26, 2011 at 5:15 am |
    • Jwalker

      Where do you think our sense of right from wrong came from?

      July 26, 2011 at 5:37 am |
    • Marc

      Jwalker, That question is lame – I could easily ask "Where do you think god came from" – but it doesn't really solve anything or make much of a point. Besides, we only have five senses – none of them give us the ability to "sense" right from wrong.

      July 26, 2011 at 7:02 am |
    • Str8alkeris Xpressivus

      "Where do you think our sense of right from wrong came from?"–Jwalker

      I don't know where your's comes from (I hope it's not JHWH), but, it shouldn't come from a threat of eternal damnation for infinite actions.

      July 26, 2011 at 7:07 am |
    • Bucky Ball

      If you'd bother to go take an anthropology course, you would learn the answer to that question, and why it is valuable, and why it FAR predates ANY of the religious morality systems.

      July 26, 2011 at 11:04 am |
    • Str8alkeris Xpressivus

      Previous comment should read: "for FINITE actions".

      July 27, 2011 at 1:05 am |
  18. rami

    The power of language manipulation. Got to love it!!
    Christian fundamentalist ... and what do we call it when a lone Muslim does something like that?

    July 26, 2011 at 4:33 am |
    • jo an

      We call them a 'terriorist'.....

      July 26, 2011 at 4:48 am |
    • LauraJT

      Jo, exactly

      July 26, 2011 at 5:23 am |
    • Jwalker

      There is no such thing as a lone Muslim. Their religion tinstructs them to resist, kill, and plunder non believers. Their only mythical salvation is to die trying to kill a non believer. They all subscribe to the same book

      July 26, 2011 at 5:48 am |
  19. Seth

    Thou shalt do no murder. I can call myself an astronaut that doesnt make me one. You can call yourself a Christian that doesnt make you one either. True Christians live their faith, non violent, non political, militant evangelicals.

    July 26, 2011 at 4:23 am |
    • mitch

      I would say a vast majority don't live up to the Christian values they say guide them. Hippocrasy is the usual rarely would a "good" Christian, Jew, or any person of faith help or not judge another someone that doesn't share their particular beliefs.

      July 26, 2011 at 4:32 am |
    • far center

      That would make you a puritan

      July 26, 2011 at 5:06 am |
  20. Ashrakay

    Yup, christian fundamentalist. This guy nailed the "crazy trifecta." 1) Violent – crazy. 2) Fundamentalist – crazy. 3) Religious – crazy. Who knows which one came first, but they all certainly support each other and thrive in weak-minded individuals.

    July 26, 2011 at 3:57 am |
    • LauraJT

      Yep, they're destroying the U.S. in the form of T-Party right wing conservatives. It's a Christian country dammit and if your not Christian get out. What a sorry state the ENTIRE world is in because of religious zealots.

      July 26, 2011 at 5:26 am |
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