July 26th, 2011
04:56 AM ET

Atheist group wants to stop World Trade Center cross

A group of atheists has filed a lawsuit to stop the display of the World Trade Center cross at a memorial of the 9/11 terror attacks.

The "government enshrinement of the cross was an impermissible mingling of church and state," the American Atheists say in a press statement.

The group says it filed the lawsuit this week in state court in New York and posted a copy of the lawsuit on its website.

The lawsuit names many defendants, including the state of New Jersey, the city of New York , New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg and New Jersey Governor Chris Christie.


- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: 9/11 • Atheism • New York

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  1. AvdBerg

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  2. Nonimus

    Perhaps we ought to put up a monument to the true nature of all supreme beings,... INVISIBILITY.

    July 29, 2011 at 4:58 pm |
  3. snow

    it was not just Christians who died in that horrible attack. Why don't you put a star of David, the OM of Hinduism, etc as well along with the cross? Why the partiality?

    July 29, 2011 at 4:24 pm |
  4. Muneef

    Another means of dividing the country...but although true it is rather all religions show up their signs or non is better since you are a Multi culture and since the separation between Church and State means No Dominance for the Church... Beside being of different Christian branches and no one voice for all means that the country will go into more complications than it is with out....Peace.

    July 28, 2011 at 9:00 pm |
  5. Amit-Atlanta-USA

    HOW TO WIPE OUT ISLAMIC TERROR – Dr. Swamy – Harvard Professor


    July 28, 2011 at 5:02 pm |
  6. joe jones

    if god created the world (genises 1;1 ) Who was gods mom an dad?

    July 28, 2011 at 3:20 pm |
    • pfeffernusse

      Well, God was His own Son. Maybe He was His own Mom and Dad.

      July 28, 2011 at 4:27 pm |
  7. Awkward Situations

    Here is the bottom line. They care more about the warm feeling they get from seeing their rubble cross in the public museum than about the actual consti-tution itself. Establishment Clause? Whooooooooo cares! Such patriotic Americans, always wanting to be exceptions to the rule when it favors them.

    Keep your religious idols in the church. Stop trying to trojan horse this one into the state. Sneaky sneaky!

    July 28, 2011 at 2:33 pm |
    • Mark from Middle River

      >>>"Here is the bottom line. They care more about the warm feeling they get from seeing their rubble cross in the public museum than about the actual consti'tution itself. Establishment Clause? "

      Establishment clause is not at play here because the Government is not requiring you to pray to the Cross Beams or establishing a religion.

      >>>"Keep your religious idols in the church. Stop trying to trojan horse this one into the state. Sneaky sneaky"

      You know the 700 Club on our side is saying the same about California students having to be taught about the history of Gays and Lesbians in American History.

      Its almost as if the ones on the extremes read off of the same script.

      "Keep your religious idols in the church" ... "if you are Gay or Lesbian keep that side of your lifestyle in your bedroom and not in public"

      Amazing huh... Both just want the parts of society that they do not like or care for out of the public.

      July 28, 2011 at 6:06 pm |
    • pfeffernusse

      “Establishment clause is not at play here because the Government is not requiring you to pray to the Cross Beams or establishing a religion.”

      The Establishment Cause is the very crux of the issue here. The "Establishment Clause" was intended to prevent any governmental endorsement or support of religion. When the government pays for the installation and upkeep of a religious symbol on public property, they are endorsing and supporting that religion. As in, a violation of the First Amendment.

      July 28, 2011 at 7:06 pm |
    • Mark from Middle River

      Still going to the movies pfeff..

      and you are still wrong, the Government is not establishing a faith or requiring you to follow one.

      The rest is just your fears and distrust talking to you 🙂

      July 28, 2011 at 8:52 pm |
    • Awkward Situations


      No, Atheists want to keep religion out of the STATE, we already have plenty of it in the public. It's bad enough that you can't even take a drive to the store without seeing religious crosses all over the place. You don't have to look far to find one- whether it's plastered on somebody's car, hanging from somebody's neck, on the side of the roads, ON TOP of a hill that people have to drive by every day (that is the absolute worst). Sometimes you will even find one at your front door with a bible in hand. However, they have the right to display their idol no matter how much it annoys anybody. But when religion tries to sneak into the one sector of life where they do not belong... yes that is incredibly pretentious and unconsti-tutional.

      Your gay and lesbian analogy doesn't quite work here. No one is asking the religious to hide their religion in the closet, in fact, I would say most Christians are very "openly gay" about what they believe.

      In any case, it seems like the fundamental issue here is that both sides disagree on whether this a violation of the Establishment Clause or not. I will admit that this case is not as strong as something like trying to teach "intelligent design" in the classrooms, but I think it has a shot and hopefully the courts will rule justly.

      July 29, 2011 at 9:45 am |
    • Civiloutside

      Exactly how is it not a de facto establishment of religion if the government funds the promotion of one particular religion? Doing so is a rather blatant declaration of official support for that religion and not others. The fact that they're not "forcing" anyone to believe it doesn't mean it's not trying to establish it as the nation's religion.

      July 29, 2011 at 10:27 am |
    • Xnon

      I don't believe that monsters, vampires, demons, and any forms of evil are afraid of Cross and any religious symbols. And despite of overreactions of some few people when it comes to displaying such things in public places, my unbelief remains firm. Gladly, there's only handful of them for it to be shaken.

      July 29, 2011 at 12:04 pm |
    • Awkward Situations

      Displays of religious symbols on public property imply governmental support for the underlying religious message of the symbol displayed. It's the principle of the matter. I'm not okay with the various attempts to push out bricks from the wall of separation.

      Crosses don't shake my unbelief whatsoever. I just hate having to see it all the time especially when it ruins the scenery of an otherwise beautiful landscape. Sometimes I get a laugh out of all these crosses everywhere because I imagine it's a constant reminder for Christians that they're being watched and their naughty thoughts are under surveillance. The mental gymnastics must be exhausting!

      July 29, 2011 at 1:29 pm |
    • pfeffernusse

      Mark, you said, “and you are still wrong, the Government is not establishing a faith or requiring you to follow one.”

      I never said this. Why do you keep saying this? Do you think if you say it enough times, it will become true?

      “The rest is just your fears and distrust talking to you”

      What am I afraid of, exactly? I distrust anyone who only sees things through the prism of their own experience and refuses to listen to others. Yes, I’m looking at you.

      July 29, 2011 at 4:38 pm |
    • Nonimus

      Just for clarification, here's an excerpt from the 1948 SCOTUS opinion in McCollum v. Board of Education:

      "And it falls squarely under the ban of the First Amendment (made applicable to the States by the Fourteenth) as we interpreted it in Everson v. Board of Education, 330 U. S. 1. There we said:
      "Neither a state nor the Federal Government can set up a church. Neither can pass laws which aid one religion, aid all religions, or prefer one religion over another. [Footnote 6] Neither can force or influence a person to go to or to remain away from church against his will, or force him to profess a belief or disbelief in any religion. No person can be punished for entertaining or professing religious beliefs or disbeliefs, for church attendance or nonattendance. No tax in any amount, large or small, can be levied to support any religious activities or insti.tutions, whatever they may be called or whatever form they may adopt to teach or practice religion. [Footnote 7] Neither a state nor
      the Federal Government can, openly or secretly, participate in the affairs of any religious organizations or groups, and vice versa. In the words of Jefferson, the clause against establishment of religion by law was intended to erect 'a wall of separation between church and State.'"

      The end being critical:
      "In the words of Jefferson, the clause against establishment of religion by law was intended to erect 'a wall of separation between church and State.'"

      July 29, 2011 at 5:19 pm |
    • Mark from Middle River

      >>>”Why do you keep saying this? Do you think if you say it enough times, it will become true?”

      Pfeffernusse – I keep saying it because it is true. If we go to “Footnote 7” we see that the State can not pay for Religious exercises. Same as the above, “any religious activities or insti'tutions”. The interpretation will be made that the Cross Beams are not setting up a active church and by its inclusion with secular items that alone will not allow the memorial to be deemed a religious insti'tutions. This goes with the fallacy that some Atheist have posted here that just by adding the Cross Beams the site will instantly becomes a religious site. I am afraid that leap can only be found in their paranoid minds.

      Now soon as they start to hold weekly services at the Cross Beams.... yall' Atheist can get back to us. 🙂

      Oh yeah .. Harry Potter was pretty good. 😀

      July 30, 2011 at 3:58 am |
    • pfeffernusse

      By your Christian dominionist definition of the First Amendment. Seperationists and accommodationists do not agree with you.

      July 30, 2011 at 6:45 pm |
    • Mark from Middle River

      >>> "By your Christian dominionist definition of the First Amendment. Seperationists and accommodationists do not agree with you."

      Interesting .... Those who I stand against , even in partially ... Do not agree with me. ....

      Totally shocked am I. 🙂

      July 30, 2011 at 9:37 pm |
  8. Reality

    If Romney wins the election, the cross will be replaced by the golden, horn-blowing Moroni!!! Priceless 😉

    July 28, 2011 at 1:11 pm |
    • Anti Christian Taliban Schizophrenics

      Or replaced with a 6 pack of Pepsi

      July 28, 2011 at 7:08 pm |
  9. tootall440

    I am a christian being a christian the Bible taught me to do unto others as i would have them do unto me So that being said I wish the religion leaders would get together and come up with a symbol that would and could be used by the gouernment to relay the good of religion and the lack of it. I personal would like to see a world globe with the text of TO GOD BE THE GLORY No one denys that there is a supreme being it just that a atheist believes they are that being (are god)and I don't have a problem with that.I just perfer to worship my GOD instead of MEGOD.

    July 28, 2011 at 10:57 am |
    • robchap83

      Atheist do not believe that they are in fact god. If you don't know what you are talking about, then don't open your mouth.

      Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.– Abraham Lincoln

      July 28, 2011 at 11:07 am |
    • pfeffernusse

      “No one denys that there is a supreme being”

      *waves* Hi. Remember us? The atheists?

      “it just that a atheist believes they are that being (are god)”

      The term “atheist” has Greek roots. “A” meaning “without” and “theist” (theos) meaning “God”. Literally, without God. We don’t think there are ANY gods.

      “I just perfer to worship my GOD”

      This is the problem we constantly encounter. Most people of faith (well-meaning and otherwise) want us to believe like they do. They want us to let them do whatever they want, even if it negatively impacts us. They just can’t leave us alone to not believe.

      July 28, 2011 at 3:02 pm |
    • Civiloutside

      Actually, tootall, if you paid attention you'd find very few atheists who think that we are any kind if supreme being. In point of fact, believing in a naturalistic world rather strongly implies that us humans (and any individual human) are actually quite insignificant on a universal scale.

      July 28, 2011 at 3:10 pm |
  10. robchap83

    I say they should create I giant crescent moon and star symbol!

    July 28, 2011 at 10:55 am |
  11. Chun

    It's no ones fault but Americas. Everyone has their freedom of religion and speech of course. So if they want to protest they can. If someone wanted to plant a giant tree there for all the Wicken people to come to I bet a whole lot of Christians would protest. I am a Christian but people need to quit taking religion so serious in a country that doesn't even care what religion you are. Keep it to yourself and don't let you butt get so hurt over things like this.

    July 28, 2011 at 10:27 am |
    • pfeffernusse

      I think I may love you.

      July 28, 2011 at 3:04 pm |
  12. birdsong

    Bonnie, I'm with you. It's a sad, sad, world. When I think of the suffering that Christ endured for my sins and the sins of everyone else, it is deplorable to read "I oppose the cross". Well, oppose it now, but by the end of your life, you better turn to it. The Bible that you also oppose says that EVERY knee shall bow and EVERY tongue confess that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the only living God. And if people wait until Christ is their judge on Judgement Day to finally confess this, there is another place in the Bible, that they reject, that speaks of what's coming next. "The wicked shall be turned into hell with all nations that forget God."

    July 28, 2011 at 9:18 am |
    • StormDeCastle

      God does not exist, ya freakin loon!!!

      July 28, 2011 at 10:37 am |
    • cjb122

      Evolution doesn't exist. What came first...the Loon or the egg?

      July 28, 2011 at 10:50 am |
    • pfeffernusse

      Saying evolution does not exist is like saying gravity doesn’t exist. You can not believe in it all you want, but it’s still there.

      July 28, 2011 at 3:04 pm |
    • Carl Saga


      evolution to gravity, is like humans to aliens.

      July 29, 2011 at 11:32 am |
    • pfeffernusse

      I wasn't comparing the two, Carl. I could have used "banana" or "table" or something else beside gravity. But everyone can feel the effects of gravity where ever they are. They only have my word on the banana or table.

      July 29, 2011 at 6:26 pm |
    • Carl Saga


      Neither of the (banana nor table) will fit when you attach them with evolution. San-Goku or digimons would be better options.

      But wait...you wasn't comparing the two? REAALLLYYY?!!!

      Since you've been telling Bonnie to stop lying. Let examine if you are telling the truth here.

      You said in you previous comment: "Saying evolution does not exist is like saying gravity doesn’t exist"

      Now, may know what are the use of the (words) "is" and "like"? And what the hell they are doing there in your statement above?

      Bonnie "needs to stop lying" or he/she "won’t get into Heaven" right?

      I think it's time for you to practice what you preached.

      July 30, 2011 at 12:05 pm |
    • Carl Saga

      Should be read:Neither of the (banana nor table)two*

      July 30, 2011 at 12:18 pm |
    • pfeffernusse

      I mention them as they are both legitimate, proven fields of scientific inquiry. To use performing arts as a metaphor, it would be the same as “Saying dancing does not exist is like saying acting doesn’t exist.”

      I’m afraid my geek-fu does not include whatever anime creatures you are talking about.

      “Now, may know what are the use of the (words) "is" and "like"? And what the hell they are doing there in your statement above?”

      You first. These sentences don’t even make any sense.

      “I think it's time for you to practice what you preached.”

      Well, see, here’s the thing. As Christians, you are REQUIRED to hold to the Ten Commandments. They are God’s Laws and if you violate them, you will be condemned to suffer for eternity. It says so right in your holy book.

      I am an atheist. I’m not REQUIRED not to lie. I don’t lie, or I try really hard not to. I also don’t steal, cheat, kill, covet, or do bad things to other people. Not because I’m afraid of a boogeyman with a pitchfork, but because it’s the right thing to do.

      I was pointing out Bonnie’s hypocrisy, which then in turn undermines everything she says. That and the fact that she changes her handle constantly, trying to make it appear as though many people feel like she does, is another form of dishonesty. How can someone who operates from obfuscation and falsity claim moral authority? Hence, her hypocrisy.

      July 30, 2011 at 7:12 pm |
  13. Civiloutside

    It seems to me that there's a big disconnect about what is meant by "public expressions of faith." By an large, when any but the most combative of atheists object to public expressions of faith, what they mean is they object to the use of public (I.e. Government) insti-tutions to promote a particular religious faith. This is entirely different from the notion of suppressing a private person's expressions of faith "out in public." These debates, however, nearly always conflate the two ideas, and I have never seen one of these conversations occur in which the religious side does not try to portray the first idea as being identical to the second. The fact is that very few of us would contest the right of people of faith to express it where other people can see. It's when they start using government resources to promote their religion to the exclusion of others that they cross the line, and that's when the lawsuits start.

    I would like to think that if the situation were reversed and the government were taking actions to explicitly promote atheism, that most of would recognize and support efforts to combat that as well. It might be tough... It's hard to object to the government supporting a liaison that you yourself hold to. But the fact is that the government is barred from having an opinion on this matter, and there are very good reasons for that ban to exist.

    July 28, 2011 at 9:16 am |
    • Civiloutside

      Sigh. Sometimes I really hate the autocorrect feature on my phone. "liaison" in my above post was meant to be "position."

      July 28, 2011 at 9:54 am |
    • pfeffernusse

      YES! Thank you!

      For some reason, religious people think atheists are trying to oppress them when athesists insist on seperation of church and state. Nothing is further from the truth.

      July 28, 2011 at 3:07 pm |
    • runmore4

      Actually liaison worked OK for me.

      July 29, 2011 at 1:07 am |
  14. Bonnie

    Villains hate the Cross of Jesus. It's in their genes.

    July 28, 2011 at 8:56 am |
    • rosie

      Bonnie, get it straight. Atheist's do not hate the cross. We just don't want it on government property. This is NOT a xtian nation!
      Otherwise every single citizen would be xtian. Look around. WE are not! The founding fathers were NOT all xtian. If you hate Atheists how do you justify your rights as a woman? Every one of your rights were given to you by Atheists and Freethinkers.
      Study the Women's Suffragette Movement. Then research the women's beliefs. YOU got your rights from non-believers! Do you still want us to leave? According to your bible, YOU are going to burn in HELL!
      Support the separation of state and church. Join http://ffrf.org/

      July 28, 2011 at 1:10 pm |
    • pfeffernusse

      Bonnie, you need to stop lying. You won’t get into Heaven if you keep flagrantly disobeying God’s laws.

      July 28, 2011 at 3:08 pm |
  15. cjb122

    Four solutions:

    1. Walk to the cross....turn around..no cross...the world is yours.
    2. Walk to the cross....turn right...no cross...the world is yours.
    3. Walk to the cross....turn left....no cross...the world is yours.
    4. Walk past the cross...no cross.......the world is yours.

    Greedy Atheist.

    July 28, 2011 at 8:53 am |
    • pfeffernusse

      How about the equitable and fair solution? Don’t put the cross there to begin with.

      July 28, 2011 at 3:10 pm |
    • Nonimus

      One solution:

      Walk to church.. it's already your's.

      July 29, 2011 at 11:20 am |
  16. Milton

    I don't believe for a second that this cross was the "only thing standing" at the WTC site. It was only a cross for those that chose to view it as such–much like finding the virgin Mary on your grilled cheese sandwich. They had to saw off the twisted bent part of the beam to make it a recognizable cross. In other words, it wasn't a cross until they made it as such after the fact. Post-hoc story-telling to match pre-existing beliefs is what was actually done here. Sort of reminds me how the Bible was written.

    July 28, 2011 at 6:23 am |
  17. Bonnie

    Because Americans never read the Bible, they don't know how everything good and noble was taken out from the Bible and used by those who founded America and also by their forefathers. It's last 30 years America began to become crazy by abandoning Christianity.

    July 28, 2011 at 3:05 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      >>>"they don't know how everything good and noble was taken out from the Bible and used by those who founded America and also by their forefathers. "

      Bonnie- good and noble and a twisting of the scripture got us a bunch of really great stuff but at the same time you have to be fair .... a lot of really messed up stuff.

      July 28, 2011 at 6:00 am |
    • Bonnie

      Mark, no. Everyone on earth was liberated and made civil by the Bible. No nation, race or tribe is exempt from benefitting from the Bible. People messed up because they did not get it correctly. Europeans and Americans would have been hopeless barbarians just like any others without the Bible.

      July 28, 2011 at 8:55 am |
    • Chun

      This hits on my point above. America doesn't give a crap what you believe. Believe what you want and quit trying to make people see the light because someone will get butt hurt and write an article about it. If everyone would quit being so sensitive about religion maybe more people would become subject to becoming part of it. But, since most religious people go crazy and think they are always right, it turns people away.

      July 28, 2011 at 10:46 am |
    • pfeffernusse

      Bonnie, seriously. I’m worried about the condition of your soul. You are so bound up in hate, ignorance, and lying. I don’t think God is going to allow you into Heaven. You should repent and sin no more.

      July 28, 2011 at 4:06 pm |
  18. Bonnie

    America was created by Christians or those who were educated by the Bible. No others contributed to it. Pagans and atheists shut shut up. Live somewhere else.

    July 28, 2011 at 3:02 am |
    • Colin

      Why don't YOU shut up?

      July 28, 2011 at 3:04 am |
    • Bonnie

      Colin, I'm exercising the American freedom of speeches. Atheists should shut up.

      July 28, 2011 at 3:07 am |
    • ProudAtheist

      "America was created by Christians or those who were educated by the Bible." So Christians are not educated by the bible? Well that explains a lot by the way Hitler was educated by the bible and how did that turn out ... just like Bonnie wants this country to be. Bonnie's comment also explains why so many native americans were killed and what happened in Oslo and ...

      July 28, 2011 at 7:10 am |
    • Bonnie

      @P-A-, Those American deists and theists took ideas from the Bible and the Christian British. Hitler was taken down by Christian Americans and Christian Britons. Native Americans died because they drank too much, not working hard enough. Proud Atheist, get out of USA so Native Americans can have more land now. Hypocrites. Norwegians were 100% Lutheran Christian until decades ago. What Oslo guy?

      July 28, 2011 at 8:50 am |
    • Marc Benarrous

      Actually Bonnie, America was founded on the basis of religious freedom, including the lack of religion. Not simply by Christians. Im sure there were muslims and Jews in the WTC, so I think a cross should not be there- unless there are symbols for all the religions. America is not christian. America is a melting pot of many religions and ethnicities. Get some education.

      July 28, 2011 at 8:54 am |
    • Bonnie

      Marc, the concept of religious freedom only exists in Christianity, in no other ideology. Americans wanted to freely exercise the various Protestant faiths in the founding. They never imagined this paganism and immorality to prevail in the nation. They aimed a godly, free nation. Never this present condition of America.

      July 28, 2011 at 9:00 am |
    • cjb122

      "explains why so many native americans were killed and what happened in Oslo"

      I'm quite sure the anti-god crowd was well represent during the Indian wars.

      Oslo....let the manifesto speak for itself:

      3.139 Distinguishing between cultural Christendom and religious Christendom – reforming our suicidal Church

      A majority of so called agnostics and atheists in Europe are cultural conservative Christians without even knowing it. So what is the difference between cultural Christians and religious Christians?
      If you have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and God then you are a religious Christian. Myself and many more like me do not necessarily have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and God.

      Page 1307

      July 28, 2011 at 11:09 am |
    • pfeffernusse

      @Bonnie, you said, “Atheists should shut up.”

      So kind, tolerant, and loving. Just the way Jesus taught.

      Oh, and more lying. I know Jesus just loves that. There are many other faiths that are tolerant of differing religions.

      July 28, 2011 at 4:16 pm |
    • Nonimus

      "I'm exercising the American freedom of speeches. Atheists should shut up."

      Classic... 'I'm exercising my rights, but you should shut up.'

      July 29, 2011 at 11:25 am |
  19. Bonnie

    If anyone opposes the cross, he should leave USA. America is Christian. The pagans in USA don't care about symbols. It's non-Christian whites in USA who are utterly evil.

    July 27, 2011 at 11:07 pm |
    • BTC

      You want me to leave? All right then - make me.

      I oppose the cross.

      July 28, 2011 at 1:24 am |
    • ProudAtheist

      "It's non-Christian whites in USA who are utterly evil." Yep Bonnie loves the one balled hitler whimp. Bonnie why don't you go read how noah was born and how it happened to be not of this world ... yes it is in the dead sea scrolls that were omitted from your work of fiction called the bible.

      Personally I don't care about the WTC cross, just let all the other religions have sybmols as well ... because America does have freedom of all religion, not just the killing christians god.

      July 28, 2011 at 7:16 am |
    • Bonnie

      @P-A-, the Dead Sea Scrolls only proved the Bible text was not at all altered for thousands of years. Christianity has exclusive rights in USA because Christians created USA. Others didn't contribute; they're just parasites living in the excellent structure the Christians formed, so they should shut up.

      July 28, 2011 at 8:46 am |
    • robchap83

      Bonnie, your an uneducated, ignorant, idiot.

      July 28, 2011 at 10:46 am |
    • Thomas


      Are all Christians allowed to stay in your America? There are so many sects.

      July 28, 2011 at 10:57 am |
    • PraiseTheLard

      Thomas wrote: "There are so many sects."

      I don't think Bonnie has had sects education...

      July 28, 2011 at 3:35 pm |
    • doug

      god doesnt exist

      July 28, 2011 at 4:12 pm |
    • pfeffernusse

      @Bonnie, you want all non-Christians to leave the United States. Okay. How is that going to happen? Are you going to march them to the US borders at gun point? Shoot them if they don’t convert or leave? Are you going to make them wear badges on their clothing to identify them? Round them up and put them into camps? Gas them if they refuse to convert?

      I know Hitler and Torquemada are saving a seat next to them in Hell for you.

      July 28, 2011 at 4:24 pm |
  20. Bob Huddleston

    Many atheists, like myself, do NOT oppose the cross. They oppose government funds being used to erect a Christian monument to honor those Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, agnostics, atheists, et al who were tragically murdered on 9/11, without providing a relevant, related symbol for each of the belief systems. *IF* government funds are to be used for this, erect a wall to honor them, or lady justice, but not a cross, not the Islamic Crescent, not a statue of Buddha, but something non-sectarian. *IF* private donors wish to erect a cross for this purpose, more power to them, but don't even pretend to think a cross provides the same impact for the memories of non-christians as it does the christians who died that day. How would most proponents of this cross feel if government funds, mixed with funds from Park 51 were used to erect, at this location, a quintet design with the islamic crescent at the top, the star of david and the christian cross in the middle, above a statue of buddha, surrounded by a wall, engraved with a peace sign, listing the names of those lost? Park 51 funds + Government funds, putting the islamic crescent *above* the cross? Heresy! Christians would go nuts over government money being spent like this, yet it's MUCH more inclusive and respectful to the beliefs of those who died. Leave religion out of this, or leave government funds out of this, please.

    July 27, 2011 at 9:46 pm |
    • pfeffernusse

      Thank you.

      July 29, 2011 at 4:34 pm |
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