July 26th, 2011
10:15 AM ET

My Take: Christians should denounce Norway's Christian terrorist

Editor's Note: Stephen Prothero, a Boston University religion scholar and author of "God is Not One: The Eight Rival Religions that Run the World," is a regular CNN Belief Blog contributor.

By Stephen Prothero, Special to CNN

Ideas matter; thoughts have force. This is an obvious truth. It is why pastors preach, why professors profess, and why pundits do whatever they do.

Yet whenever ideas do things we do not want them to do, as they did in Oslo , Norway on Friday, we try to pretend that ideas are powerless.

For the last two decades, Christian students have told me that Christianity had nothing to do with the Holocaust. After 9/11, many Muslims said that the men who flew those planes into those buildings had nothing to do with Islam. When Rep. Gabrielle Giffords was shot, we were told that the crime had nothing to do with our current climate of political hatred.

Unpacking the 'Christian fundamentalist' label for Norway terror suspect?

Now in the wake of the Oslo massacre bloggers and pundits are reassuring us that the crimes of the alleged perpetrator Anders Behring Breivik can be understood simply as the product of a deranged mind. They had nothing to do with his Christian faith or his anti-Islamic ideology. This is wishful thinking of the most dangerous sort.

According to Bill O'Reilly of Fox News, "Breivik is not a Christian." According Ross Douthat, the conservative Catholic columnist at the New York Times, “it’s fair to call Breivik a right-winger” but not a Christian  fundamentalist.

Meanwhile, Andrew Brown at the Guardian is reassuring his readers that “Anders Breivik is not Christian but anti-Islam.”

My Take: Norway attacks show why you can't #blamethemuslims

Brown goes on to describe the various anti-Islam bloggers Breivik read and apparently quoted in a manifesto, only to conclude, “Obviously these people cannot be held responsible for the use to which their ideas were put.”

I don’t find that obvious at all.

I think all of us who place ideas into books or blogs or lectures or sermons should be acutely aware of the use to which our ideas might be put. What is obvious is that those who read or listen to us will take our ideas in directions different from what we intended. But that fact does not absolve us of responsibility when they do.

If you devote your life to spewing anti-Islamic hatred, you should not be surprised if someone comes along and kills in the name of that hatred. In fact, you should expect it.  If you insist as a matter of revelation or dogma that the Jews killed Christ then you should not be surprised if Christians come along and kills Jews in the name of Christ. In fact, you should be surprised if that does not happen.

We live in an age of anger. That anger is fueled by ideas. And the most incendiary ideas are those that call down the force of God or nation (or both) in the service of denouncing those who follow other gods or belong to other nations.

Anders Breivik was obviously politically motivated. The 1,500-page manifesto that has been attributed to him draws on contemporary European and American conservatism in its attacks on Marxism, multiculturalism, secularism, academia and feminism.

But Breivik's motivations were equally, and obviously, religious. His manifesto cites the Atlas Shrugs blog of Pamela Geller, who has made a name for herself in the United States by opposing the Islamic community center near Ground Zero. According to the New York Times this manifesto also quotes Robert Spencer of another anti-Islamic web site, Jihad Watch, 64 times.

But Breivik does not just deny Islam. He affirms Christianity. He describes himself as "100% Christian" in his apparent manifesto. That work says he's a member of the “Knights Templar," which the document refers to as “a Christian ‘culturalist’ military order.”

The manifesto refers repeatedly to martyrdom, calls Breivik the "savior . . . of European Christendom," discusses Quranic views of Jesus and quotes extensively from the Bible.

In fact, in an extended section justifying violence in the name of self-defense (plagiarized, like much in the manifesto, from other websites), it quotes from Exodus, Samuel, Judges, Psalms, Luke, Matthew, Isaiah, Daniel, 1 Corinthians, 2 Corinthians and other biblical books. "God will anoint you with his power to go into battle," the manifesto reads. "God can be a Man of War if He wants to be."

Finally, key dates in the manifesto, including the date for the rampage itself (July 22), are linked to key dates in the history of the Christian crusades. "Celebrate us, the martyrs of the conservative revolution," a video attributed to Breivik reads, "for we will soon dine in the Kingdom of Heaven."

Osama bin Laden was a Muslim terrorist. Yes, he twisted the Quran and the Islamic tradition in directions most Muslims would not countenance. But he rooted his hate and his terrorism in that text and that tradition. So Muslims, as I have long argued, have a responsibility to speak out forcefully against Bin Laden and to look hard at the resources in their tradition that work to promote such evil.

If he did what he has alleged to have done, Anders Breivik is a Christian terrorist.

Yes, he twisted the Christian tradition in directions most Christians would not countenance. But he rooted his hate and his terrorism in Christian thought and Christian history, particularly the history of the medieval Crusades against Muslims, and current efforts to renew that clash.

So Christians have a responsibility to speak out forcefully against him, and to look hard at the resources in the Christian tradition that can be used to such murderous ends.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Stephen Prothero.

- CNN Belief Blog contributor

Filed under: Christianity • Crime • Europe • Politics • Violence

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  1. lbjack

    Prothero, you self-righteous prig, Christians, loudly and universally, have been denouncing Breivik. The leader of the World Council of Churches has accused Breivik of blasphemy for using Christianity to justify his deeds. This is far more than we got from your friends the Muslims following 9/11. We need no lecture from you on what to "denounce".

    July 26, 2011 at 5:18 pm |
  2. Buddy R

    CNN opinion writers always post such dishonest anti-Christian drivel.

    Sir, you suggesting the man is a Christian shows how little you actually know about the Bible. Of course all of your posted opinions bash Christianity in one way or another or attack the Christianity the Bible teaches. Sir you are an utter moron if you think any of the words of the New Testament can be twisted to say a Christian should kill anyone.

    The man did not follow the teachings of Christ and is not a Christian according to the words of Jesus Christ. Jesus said if you do not follow his teachings you are not his. Period. In my opinion anyone who calls the man a Christian is either ignorant of the Bible or a willful liar.

    Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
    Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
    Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

    1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

    Jesus taught us to love everyone, even our enemies. Not to kill them. The Bible says anyone who claims to know God but who hates or murders is a liar.

    Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

    1Jn 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

    1Jn 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

    Mr article writer, according to the Bible the man who killed all those kids did not know God. He is a liar in calling himself a Christian. He hates people and he murders and he does not live according to the core teachings of Christianity.

    Mat 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
    Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
    Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
    Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

    July 26, 2011 at 5:01 pm |
    • Fred Fnord

      "I get to decide who is a Christian, and people who do things I don't like, or who don't interpret the bible the way I do, aren't Christians!"

      Yup. And no TRUE Scotsman would EVER...

      July 26, 2011 at 5:42 pm |
    • Rotter

      @Fred Fnord

      How is he Christian?
      He claims in his manifesto he is not a religious man. He questions the existence of God.

      July 26, 2011 at 6:06 pm |
  3. Thibaut B., France

    Dear Stephen Prothero,

    in the Greek thought, the polis was the place that could make its citizens better. According to Pr. D. Kagan, modern liberal democracies have abandoned that ideals (i agree with his assessment,) choosing to take men "as they are". Other modern ideologies (communism, fascism) did not better. Today, by the absence of respectful, intelligent and profound meaningful political engagement of the citizenry in the political process, our polis is making our citizenry sick. Present political ideologies of all side have renounced to that goal of making people better thanks to their personal and meanignful, impactful integration in the political process. We must manage to form alliances of thought, such as to manage to convince our people that our polis/polity needs to change. We must regain the ideal that our political process must make men better, because it now makes them sick – and i'm not pointing to the particular and awful act of terrorism that shocked us this last week, but as you say to the general atmosphere of our political life. The citizenry must urgently be re-engaged on all levels of political decision, or as it happened multiple times to better cultures than ours, we are going to fall in a new dark age while some other parts of the world are actively developing.

    July 26, 2011 at 4:30 pm |
  4. Michael

    He was not a Christian, quote from Anders Behring Breivik's 1,500-page manifesto:

    "I'm not going to pretend I'm a very religious person, as that would be a lie," he says. "I've always been very pragmatic and influenced by my secular surroundings and environment. In the past, I remember I used to think: 'Religion is a crutch for weak people. What is the point in believing in a higher power if you have confidence in yourself!? Pathetic.' Perhaps this is true for many cases. Religion is a crutch for many weak people, and many embrace religion for self-serving reasons as a source for drawing mental strength (to feed their weak emotional state [for] example during illness, death, poverty etc.). Since I am not a hypocrite, I'll say directly that this is my agenda as well. However, I have not yet felt the need to ask God for strength, yet."

    July 26, 2011 at 4:18 pm |
    • semperfi50

      Breivik wrote: “I prayed for the first time in a very long time today. I explained to God that unless he wanted the Marxist-Islamic alliance and the certain Islamic takeover of Europe to completely annihilate European Christendom within the next hundred years he must ensure that the warriors fighting for the preservation of European Christendom prevail.” Two days later, he tested his homemade bomb.

      July 26, 2011 at 5:19 pm |
  5. Bruce427

    There is a vast difference between being a "religion scholar," and a Christian scholar. After reading several of Stephen Prothero's columns, he might well qualify as a columnist for Sojourners - a far-left advocacy group representing itself to be main-stream Evangelical Christian so as to give progressives a moral "fig leaf" for their far-left agendas.

    Their has been no credible evidence to affirm that Anders Behring Breivik was ever a Christian.

    July 26, 2011 at 4:07 pm |
    • Fred Fnord

      "La la la I have my fingers in my ears la la Christians are never terrorists la la la my side is GOOD and your side is BAD and it's all SIMPLE la la la I CAN'T HEAR YOU la la..."

      July 26, 2011 at 5:44 pm |
  6. Eric

    Wow, so you can be a "religion scholar" at Boston University and be this ignorant about the fundamental differences between Christianity and Islam?!

    Anyone who claims to kill in the name of Jesus Christ is obviously out of sync with the way that Jesus and His disciples lived their lives and spread Christianity in the first century.

    However, those who kill in the name of Islam can claim to be following Mohammad's example; Mohammad did wage war against unbelievers to spread his religion. In fact, Bin Ladin claimed to be following Mohammad's example in attacking infidels when Al Qaida attacked America on 9-11-2001.

    Hard to believe that religious scholars at Boston U are so ignorant of these historical facts and what should be a blatant religious contrast. But, that rabid liberalism for you.

    July 26, 2011 at 3:37 pm |
    • d rufus onfyre

      @Eric, Did you happen to miss 200 years of Christian Crusades in your history book? So-called Christians are equally capable of hypocrisy and violence.

      July 26, 2011 at 3:54 pm |
    • DamianKnight

      I don't think you'll find many credible Christians who honestly believe the Crusades were a good idea. Yes, Christains have blood on their hands. So do Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Athiests, Buddists, Wiccans and many other religions. What's your point?

      July 26, 2011 at 4:16 pm |
    • Rotter

      The Crusade were not bad. It was a response to Muslims killing and taking Christian lands.


      July 26, 2011 at 5:23 pm |
    • Justin

      As a person who grew up in the church, you also need to remember that the bible contains both an old and a new testament. Sure, Jesus spoke about being peaceful and such, but the god he serves (as detailed by the old testament) seemed to be vengeful, jealous, and generally angry when people didn't pay attention to him. How many tribes did the Israelis purport to slay? Now the whole "trinity" argument tells me that Jesus and god are the same. But Jesus has differing ideas on how to handle people? Something has to give.

      July 26, 2011 at 5:39 pm |
    • Fred Fnord

      It's always so simple. Scholars of religion are obviously totally uninformed, because you are qualified to judge exactly what Christianity is or isn't, just on the basis of having been a member of one subsect or other for your whole life, and maybe having read some small bits of the bible fifteen or twenty years ago.

      July 26, 2011 at 5:47 pm |
    • pfeffernusse

      @Eric, when Christianity became the official religion of Rome, thousands of Pagans were slaughtered and their holy places destroyed. All in the name of Christ.

      Torquemada, a Spanish priest, did some pretty horrifying things in the name of Christ.

      In a nearly 300 year period known as The Burning Times, hundreds of thousands of people (80% of them were women…in some areas, all the women were killed) were burned at the stake or hung. In the name of Christ.

      During WWII, in Serbia, the Catholic Ustasha, directed by a Franciscan friar, ran extermination camps dedicated to the death of anyone who was not Catholic. In Christ’s name.

      Shall I go on..?

      July 26, 2011 at 6:01 pm |
  7. Reality

    Steve P,

    Listen up as the following condemnation is echoing across the globe from all good and gracious agnnostics, atheists, secularists, Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists and Pagans:

    Another Timothy McVeigh !!! Hopefully this "nut job" meets the same fate. The sooner the better!!! If Norway does not have a death penalty, then there is always the justified "oops" accident. "While transporting Breivik to prison via an aircraft, the cabin door suddenly opened and he fell 30,000 ft. He did not survive the frigid waters of the North Atlantic. "

    Next topic !!!!!

    July 26, 2011 at 3:35 pm |
  8. Beverly Tatum

    Republican so-called Christians are more dangeous to the future of America than any Muslim or Latino or any other immigrant or ethnic group. These so-called Christians are full of hate, racism, and commit acts of violence in the name of God, They believe Republicans lies and not one Republican follows the teachings of the Bible – not the Ten Commandments, not the teachings of Jesus, and more represent the greedy moneychangers in the Temple than anyone who cares about his fellow man.
    Vote out these hypocrites and haters. NO MORE REPUBLICANS IN 2012. They are traitors to America and to the real values of Christianity.

    July 26, 2011 at 3:35 pm |
    • AvdBerg

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      July 26, 2011 at 3:37 pm |
  9. Micki

    Breivk said in his manifesto that he was an agnotic Darwinist. Christians are supposed to apologize for an agnostic Darwinist's behavior? The writer, without facts, is blaming this on Christians. Breivk also said Clinton inspired him during the confllict with Bosnia. Read the Manifesto. The author needs to apologize to Christians for making this false charge. Breivk's lawyer says he is insane. The writer of this article needs to get the facts before sitting down to write.

    July 26, 2011 at 3:31 pm |
    • NorwegianChristian

      This is not true. On the contrary he describes himself (in the section named Personal facts):
      Religious: I went from moderately to agnostic to moderately religious.
      Darwinism has little significance in this matter, most european (and norwegian) christians understands and accepts the theories of evolution.

      July 26, 2011 at 3:56 pm |
    • Rotter

      And yet Anders wrote in his manifesto:
      "I'm not going to pretend I'm a very religious person, as that would be a lie,"

      July 26, 2011 at 5:30 pm |
  10. Peikovian

    If some Norwegian Christians were engaged in a violent, worldwide holy war, then it would be right for other Norwegian Christians to denounce them. Otherwise, the denounciation comes through the police and the legal system, as it always has. This was a sick individual, and the general population of Norway is not required to explain themselves.

    July 26, 2011 at 3:27 pm |
  11. Methusalem

    Muslims in the West had a very good chance to accept the message of Christ, but many are failing, failing miserably because of the demonic PC agents who are preventing them to follow the direct way of The True God. You are all responsible for that, Mr. Prothero.

    July 26, 2011 at 3:24 pm |
  12. Tom

    "If you insist as a matter of revelation or dogma that the Jews killed Christ then you should not be surprised if Christians come along and kills Jews in the name of Christ." - truly demonstrating ignorance of the teachings of Jesus or anything else in the bible. Be sure to check out Romans 12:19 – "Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord." and Leviticus 19:18 "'Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against one of your people, but love your neighbor as yourself." or Matthew 5:44 "But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you". Conclusion - this madman was not a Christian. His actions were exactly contrary to those of a true Christian.

    July 26, 2011 at 3:21 pm |
  13. Methusalem

    “Egyptian Christians abused and tormented by Muslims: U.S. Lawmaker”


    July 26, 2011 at 3:20 pm |
  14. d rufus onfyre

    Many Christians are refusing to accept that Breivik considers himself a Christian because that would open the possibility that most Muslims are not violent extremists. People need to accept that extreme passion for ideologies can become dangerous, no matter what the ideology/religion may be.

    July 26, 2011 at 3:09 pm |
    • Doesn't matter

      @d rufus onfyre

      You siad, "Many Christians are refusing to accept that Breivik considers himself a Christian because that would open the possibility that most Muslims are not violent extremists. People need to accept that extreme passion for ideologies can become dangerous, no matter what the ideology/religion may be."

      Actually Brehvik does not consider himself a christian in his words, "in the strictest sense", so the first part of your point is moot...Secondly I think a fairer statement would be that not "all" muslims are violent extremists, as many who don't live in western countries are, as their book does instruct them to kill any and all who do not procalim allah as the one god and mohammed as his prophet...
      As far as having extreme passion for one's beliefs, if someone was truly to be an "extreme" christian that person would be completely loving as this was Jesus' command to love both God and everyone...to take that to the extreme would mean "extreme" loving, like the radical kind of love that caused Jesus to endure the cross for the sins of us all...includinig the man who committed this atrocity and yes any and all of the muslim's who have committed similar things. Provided they accept Him and what He did...

      July 26, 2011 at 3:21 pm |
    • d rufus onfyre

      @doesn't matter

      Thank you for proving my point that Christians can't see how religious zeal can lapse into the danger zone of hateful extremism. I understand that Christianity is meant to be loving and compassionate, however one must be blind not to recognize the misappropriation of Christian ideals in a way that judges and condemns those who do not share their beliefs. You can play with semantics to justify your position as much as you want, but the truth is that any belief can be tarnished by fanaticism.

      July 26, 2011 at 3:46 pm |
    • Tom Linson

      Perfectly stated. Fanaticism is the most dangerous weapon – capable of turning fellow humans into "others", and of justifying the most terrible acts so long as they can be justified in the fanatic's mind.

      And like any other lunatic, the fanatic will rarely understand or recognize his own dementia, a fact which only further distances himself from those who disagree – "It is they who are crazy!"

      July 26, 2011 at 5:17 pm |
    • Rotter

      So then he was a fanatical nut job, not a Christian nut job.

      No where does Christian ideology does it encourage to judge and condemn others. you sir are inventing this this lie.

      July 26, 2011 at 5:28 pm |
    • Abu Umar

      @doesn't matter

      Your theory about "extreme love" contradicts with your belief that GOD required Jesus to die (blood sacrifice) on the cross on behalf of everyone. GOD is the one who has the most LOVE for HIS creation, hence GOD doesn't need a human blood sacrifice (especially from HIS prophet, such as Jesus) – similar to what happened before with Abraham and his son.

      Just so you know, Muslims believe that Jesus was saved by GOD and thus, was not left to be humiliated by his enemies. Muslims also believe that a just GOD will never ask one person to bear the sin of another, no matter how big or small the sin. This is explicitly stated in the Quran. In Islam, if anyone commits sin, they simply need to repent and seek forgiveness DIRECTLY from GOD and the doors of repentance are always open for them, till they die.

      July 26, 2011 at 5:29 pm |
  15. Mike

    Please define "anti-Muslim hatred". Is a difference in beliefs or opinion really hatred? Is it not hatred (and at least bigotry) to accuse someone of being hateful for having a difference of opinion or a different world view? Should I be accused of hating the guy who wrote this article just because I disagree with his opinion? I do not hate him, and to assume so is a very illogical and unfounded statement. However, this kind of logic is strongly implied by the opening paragraph of this article, which should bring to question the rationality and value of the thought process of it's author.

    July 26, 2011 at 2:38 pm |
  16. sick of being so PC

    Did any columnist read his manifesto?? He was NOT a Christian. He said he has no relationship with God. Everyone is just waiting in the wings to bash Christians, it's unbelievable. A true Christian would never denounce his relationship with God, especially and "Extremist" Christian as he has been called. Get the facts, then write your editorial.

    July 26, 2011 at 2:35 pm |
    • exactly

      And that's exactly what most Muslims say about Muslim terrorists. The author is simply pointing out the double standard.

      July 26, 2011 at 2:44 pm |
    • Eric

      The double standard is imagined. Jesus Christ did not advocate forced conversions or violence against "unbelievers". To the contrary, Mohammed did. So there's no way that the article's author could attempt this "moral equivalency" sham based upon historical contrasts between Jesus and Mohammed.

      Trying to e associate this madman with true Christianity is like trying to convince people that Mother Theresa was an atheist. More incompetent journalism from an intellectually bankrupt mainstream media.

      July 26, 2011 at 3:08 pm |
    • sean

      The facts are that he deinately considers himself a Christian – no matter you do or not. In the manifesto read pages 1340- 1349. One gem: "I�m pretty sure I will pray to God as I�m rushing through my city, guns blazing"...

      July 26, 2011 at 3:38 pm |
  17. WEBSPY

    Hagd all,,, play nice

    July 26, 2011 at 2:35 pm |
  18. Sally

    Huge difference that MUST be acknowledged and addressed: he did not commit this heinous act IN THE NAME OF GOD, unlike the THOUSANDS of islamist terrorist acts we have witnessed in the past few years.

    July 26, 2011 at 2:29 pm |
    • WEBSPY

      The millions Bush had killed was that religion he even said crusade during his speech the State of the union address so the terrorist kill 20 thousand after a 100 thousand of their brothers and sisters were slaughtered first,,, think about it!!!

      July 26, 2011 at 2:38 pm |
    • phil

      Ummm...yes he did. He is no different than Bin Laden. He sees himself as a hero, as a "Knight Templar"

      July 26, 2011 at 2:38 pm |
  19. cleuck

    Even Satan quoted scripture to Jesus when he was tempted for 40 days in the desert. Many masquerading "Christians" take the words of the scripture, pull them from their intended context, twist them to their liking, and use them for their own personal glory. But true Christianity... that of believing on Jesus Christ as the way, the truth, and the life... that of following Jesus Christ unto death and hoping in Him for life eternal...

    ... I cannot say it any better than John Piper
    "True Christianity–which is radically different from Western culture, and may not be found in many 'Christian' churches–renounces the advance of religion by means of violence. Christians are called to die, not kill, in order to show the world how they are loved by Christ...

    ... Instead of killing to save a culture, Jesus died to save the world."

    Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have been fighting."(John 18)

    July 26, 2011 at 2:28 pm |
    • Wow

      Well put. People have been using Luke 19:27 to say Jesus justified killing. Please read the whole chapter and know the context of what is being said. That verse by no means was said to justify killing people who don't believe in Jesus.

      July 26, 2011 at 3:02 pm |
    • Anti Christian Taliban


      Well put. People have been using Luke 19:27 to say Jesus justified killing. Please read the whole chapter and know the context of what is being said. That verse by no means was said to justify killing people who don't believe in Jesus.
      That is only an opinion, not fact. Some see the verse differently. The word of god is about as imperfect as it gets. It can be twisted and disputed. Poorly written and poorly organized by the men who wrote it.

      July 26, 2011 at 3:13 pm |
    • Abu Umar

      Speaking of contradictions, the following is explicitly stated in the Quran. The impartial observer who studies the Quran carefully will note that it does not contain any contradictions.

      "Do they not then consider the Quraan carefully? Had it been from other than Allaah, they would surely have found therein much contradictions" (4: 82).

      Being the last revelation before judgement day, it is GOD's promise that that Quran will be preserved unchanged for the generations to come as Muhammad (peace be upon him) was the last messenger.

      July 26, 2011 at 5:52 pm |
    • Wow

      Anti Christian Taliban. Please reveal your source for Luke 19:27 not being part of a parable Jesus used on the use of money. The king he is referring to is the king in the parable. Not himself. Jesus used parables many times to teach as told in the Gospels by the people that were with him. Your post also shows that you don't know the Prophets and the significance that the books of Prophecy in the Bible have. Or the significance of having faith in a risen Lord. I don't expect you to understand without you allowing the Holy Spirit into your heart. Please ask God to help you to understand what you are reading and read the book of John. It's in the New Testament. Beautifully written book!

      July 26, 2011 at 7:56 pm |
    • Wow

      The Bible doesn't contradict itself either. As many people believe it does, it doesn't. It has been proven over and over and It is the most studied book in the world.

      July 26, 2011 at 7:58 pm |
  20. Geekalot

    I think what we have here is a discussion of ideology. All religions have one. but ideology is not the exclusive realm of religion. Politics, education, economics...in short, every subject of some importance has adherants to one ideology or another. I am an atheist, but I will readily attest that atheists can be idealogues as much as anyone else. That said, this man's words and actions clearly show him to be on the extreme end of Christianity. Like it or not mainstream Christians are faced with that fact. True, it isn't thier flavor of Christianity, and is clearly aberated, but Christianity is clearly a part of his self identification. What the author of this artical says about self examination of what in christianity can lead someone to this point is a completely valid point...each of us needs to think about our own afiliations, be they religion or lack of it, or politics or whatever. What ideologies do we hold on to that could be turned into a rigid stance against anyone who doesn't agree?

    July 26, 2011 at 2:27 pm |
    • Michel

      I am not sure if you all who disagreeing with the author actually belive in that or being emotional. I think most of you who disagree with the author are ignoring the truth and believing in something you want to believe in.
      Twisting the truth is not going to help your ideologies. I agree with geedalot.

      July 26, 2011 at 2:48 pm |
    • Wow

      I don't believe that Anders believed that Jesus Christ was his savior and died for his sins (I may be wrong on this as I haven't read the whole manifesto). To be a Christian, this belief has to be in place. I do like the way you worded your post. I especially like your last sentence. Christians, need to understand where all people are at and respect this. I as a Christian struggle with this sometimes also. Not to the point of going out a killing a bunch of innocent people though.

      July 26, 2011 at 8:06 pm |
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