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Norway suspect admired bloggers who say Europe is drowning in Muslims
Norway attacks suspect Anders Behring Breivik frequented websites that see the modern world as a "clash of civilizations."
July 27th, 2011
09:42 AM ET

Norway suspect admired bloggers who say Europe is drowning in Muslims

By Tim Lister, CNN

(CNN) - Anders Behring Breivik was a prolific blogger and visitor to online sites that reaffirmed his worldview.

Breivik's taste in online conversation shows a compulsive interest in websites that see the modern world in terms of a "clash of civilizations," where Christian values are supposedly under siege in the face of an Islamic onslaught.

But rarely if ever does he seem to have advocated a violent response to what he saw as the Islamization of Europe, even as he planned a massacre for years.

The head of Norway's intelligence police, Janne Kristiansen, told a Norwegian newspaper Monday that Breivik had "deliberately desisted from violent exhortations on the net. He has more or less been a moderate, and has neither been part of any extremist network."

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- CNN Belief Blog

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  1. Modern Philosophy

    Oppose book worship in all forms

    July 27, 2011 at 6:18 pm |
  2. Modern Philosophy

    bump

    July 27, 2011 at 6:17 pm |
  3. Adria K.

    It's a shame that he did what he did for a variety of reasons that have already been said and made public so I won't get into that. What I do see, however, is how some comment are really going off into a tirade without making simple statements, the best way of getting the facts across.

    A few comments down was someone talking about Islam and Christ and how Muslims don't believe in Jesus Christ and that being a damaging part about Muslims. Um, I won't get into that because the existence of Jesus Christ is a debate wholly on it's own in and of itself. BUT! the person was right about what they originally said about Islam.

    As much as I hate what this guy did, some of his beliefs I too believe. Europe has a lot of problems, yes, but it also has a lot of problems with the recent spike in Muslims, believers in Islam. I don't have any problem with Jews, Christians, Atheists, et cetera but I do with Islam because at it's core, Islam supports violence as a method of takeover, for lack of better word, of it's fellow humans into the faith of Islam. And if they don't convert, kill them. They also support the killing of anyone that leaves their 'religion'.

    Anyway, the point I was trying to make is that this man and all that he believes is being ridiculed while he has some actual, good beliefs behind this crazy, violent mess. And before anyone twists my words! I do NOT support him or anything he's done with this. But his beliefs, about 'Europe is drowning in Muslims' is a valid point for an argument to be made on what to allow to happen in Europe and not (for example, Paris' No-Go zones because of Muslims) and I just wish that Islam would get some actual attentions from news and media outlets without it being because some crazy who kill 80 people believed they were evil! Now the media's going to go after his view on this one issue and say that anyone who believes this view too is bad. Such BS. Why won't they cover actual issues involving Islam and Muslims without it being something like this?

    Sorry for my long post. I'm done trying to make my point now.

    July 27, 2011 at 5:06 pm |
  4. Thomas Mc

    I'm still waiting for Christian leaders to apologize for this horrendous terrorist attack.

    After all, that's what they demanded from Muslim leaders, after 9/11.

    July 27, 2011 at 3:44 pm |
    • Adria K.

      Okay, first off, the bombers at 9/11 were terrorist of a group/sect of Muslim Terrorists so I think it was completely justified that we went after them and that we wanted at very least an apology for the thousands of innocents living their lives in the USA, not part of their war, that were killed.

      Secondly, this guy acted alone. So you shouldn't ask an apology from Christian leaders because you're going to be waiting a very, very long time for that. Mainly, because there's no Christian leaders working with/talking with/leading him to do what he did. He did it with his personal beliefs in mind, not because the Bible said to do acts of violence against ones in a different belief than his own belief; like the Koran states.

      July 27, 2011 at 5:14 pm |
    • Adria K.

      I forgot to mention is so simplistic of words that it's completely different because of this:
      Muslim terrorists attacked on 9/11 for religious reasons/differences
      This Norway man attacked out of personal beliefs on multiculturalism

      See the difference?

      July 27, 2011 at 5:23 pm |
  5. Frogist

    This whole situation is just too disturbing to fathom. Murderers are quoting Geller and the like as inspiration for their murderous acts of bigotry. And while the conservatives circle the wagons to protect their own, they still insist that Breivik's motivations are valid and right! So it's just his methods that are wrong? And then add insult to injury by again blaming the muslims. Are we in upside down world?

    July 27, 2011 at 3:12 pm |
    • BG

      @ Frogist

      " Murderers are quoting Geller and the like as inspiration for their murderous acts of bigotry."

      This is a prevarication. (it's the new 'diplomatic' me..don't worry, it won't last long.) No where, -no where- does Geller or Spencer advocate for violence. Kindly prove me wrong. Now, are there some wacko ultra-nationalist bloggers out there? Sure. Do reasonable people ignore them? Hopefully. But it ain't Geller or Spencer.

      Your last three questions...

      Yes ; yes that's appropriate; and lastly, when did you ever know the world to be right-side up?

      There – I told 'ya it wouldn't last long.

      July 27, 2011 at 4:55 pm |
  6. Anti Christian Taliban Schizophrenics

    I see the fruitcakes (Beatrice and Rainer) are alive and well. lol
    .

    Schizophrenia is a mental disorder that makes it difficult to tell the difference between real and unreal experiences, to think logically, to have normal emotional responses, and to behave normally in social situations.
    As the illness continues, psychotic symptoms develop:
    • False beliefs or thoughts that are not based in reality (delusions)
    • Hearing, seeing, or feeling things that are not there (hallucinations)

    July 27, 2011 at 1:40 pm |
    • AvdBerg

      For a better understanding we invite you to visit our website http://www.gaychristian101.com

      July 27, 2011 at 4:02 pm |
  7. GSA

    @Bonnie @Rainer – if you're scared go to church and let the rest of us live happily, thank you.
    Sad to say that the type of ppl this guy admired are on the CNN blog all the time.

    July 27, 2011 at 1:36 pm |
    • Frogist

      @GSA: My thoughts exactly. Not to be paranoid, but it begs the question, is there an Anders Behring Breivik among us?

      July 27, 2011 at 3:16 pm |
    • BG

      About a year ago some CNN belief blogger was recommending mass psychiatric testing in order to find all of civilizations dangerous nutters....

      Don't be naive. There's all kinds – everywhere. But if you really wanted to administer mass MMPI batteries and get quick results, the reasonable place to start would be in the Middle East.

      July 27, 2011 at 5:05 pm |
  8. John

    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5zylpNWxVo&w=640&h=360]

    July 27, 2011 at 12:08 pm |
    • ....

      Don't bother watching this garbage, click the report abuse link to get rid of this troll.

      July 27, 2011 at 12:21 pm |
  9. Rainer Braendlein

    One more remark about the Islam:

    It is not only that the Islam uses violence to spread itself, but the Islam in itself is bad, because it denies Jesus Christ, the eternal Son of God.

    Of course, Muhammad acknowledges Jesus as an Islamic (!) teacher, but he doesn't accept that Jesus is the eternal Son of God or a person of the Trinity. In Muhammad's eyes Jesus was a mere created human being and no God at all. Muhammad even calls it a sin to claim Jesus would be God.

    The divine sonship of Jesus Christ is the center of Christianity.

    Thus, denying the divine sonship of Jesus Christ means denying the whole Christian faith.

    Hence, the Islam is the opposite of Christianity, because it says: "Don't believe in Christ!"

    Someone, who doesn't believe in Christ, is controled by the original sin. He never can be really pious and will finally get lost.

    July 27, 2011 at 11:25 am |
    • David Johnson

      @Rainer Braendlein

      You said: "It is not only that the Islam uses violence to spread itself, but the Islam in itself is bad, because it denies Jesus Christ, the eternal Son of God."

      Muslims don't deny Christ. They just don't think He was a demigod.

      Actually, there is no evidence that Jesus ever actually existed.

      Cheers!

      July 27, 2011 at 12:34 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @Rainer Braendlein

      You said: "Someone, who doesn't believe in Christ, is controled by the original sin. He never can be really pious and will finally get lost."

      No.

      Evolution, with its evidence of transitional fossils, geological column, DNA evidence, vestigial organs etc., is very damning to the biblical Creation Story.

      If god created all the organisms on the planet, then He must have created even the diseases that have caused and are causing so much death and misery for humans and animals. He would have had to fashion the tick and the flea. The mosquito and blood flukes. And worms that bore into a child's eye.

      How could an all good god do such a thing? Why would He spend His time creating gruesome things to cause human suffering? Yet, these horrors exist. And if god didn't create them, who did?

      Evolution explains the diversity of the planet's organisms, including the pathogens and the parasites that have caused so much human death and misery.

      If the Creation Story is a fable, then Adam and Eve did not exist.

      If Adam and Eve did not exist, then there was no original sin.

      If there was no original sin, then it cannot be the reason god allows so much suffering in the world. We can dump the guilt trip.

      If there was no original sin, then there was no need for a redeemer.

      If there was no redeemer, then Christianity is a based on a false premise.

      "If we cannot believe in the First Adam, why believe in the Last [Christ]?" 1 Corinthians15:45

      If the Creation story is a myth, then there is no reason to believe any of the bible.

      If we evolved, there is no soul –> no afterlife –> no need of a heaven or hell.

      LOL, which is why the Evangelicals fight so hard against evolution.

      Evolution is the Christian god's Achilles' heel.

      The Christian god is no more likely to exist than unicorns, satyrs, fiery serpents, or talking snakes or Santa. And you don't believe in any of those, Right?

      Cheers!

      July 27, 2011 at 12:37 pm |
    • Rainer Braendlein

      @David Johnson

      Yet in ancient times we were bothered by people like you, causing endless discussions.

      Our enemies rejoiced, because instead of preparing for a serious defensive war, we discussed with people like you.

      Aware or unaware you serve the enemy, because you steel precious time!

      July 27, 2011 at 12:43 pm |
    • Rainer Braendlein

      I meant steal, not steel!

      July 27, 2011 at 12:46 pm |
  10. Rainer Braendlein

    Doctrina Jacobi (Teaching of Jacob from 634 A. D.):

    When I came to Sykamina, I spoke to a certain old man who was well-informed in
    the scriptures, and I said to him: “What do you say, my lord and teacher, about the
    Prophet who has risen among the Arabs?” And he said to me, while he groaned
    deeply: “That is rubbish; do prophets come armed with sword and chariot? These
    are simply the works of anarchy …”

    Take in account that this lines were drafted around 634 A. D. that means only 2 years after Muhammad's death (632).

    Conclusion: From it's very outset the Islam spreaded by using violence (war).

    July 27, 2011 at 10:33 am |
  11. Bonnie

    God punishes civilizations that blaspheme. Islam lasted 1,300 years. Sodom amd Gommorah only a few decades.

    July 27, 2011 at 10:25 am |
    • Beatrice

      And I'm an archeologist now too.

      July 27, 2011 at 11:00 am |
  12. Enoch2000

    The anti-Christ is in the air "So, let's get started", as CNNs Jihadi anchor, Fareed Zakaria would say.

    July 27, 2011 at 10:24 am |
  13. Bonnie

    Muslims are a blessing in the present hedonistic West. Westerners should stop blasphemy, infanticide, perversion, and the sick, stupid permissiveness.

    July 27, 2011 at 10:21 am |
  14. Enoch2000

    CNN forgot to report on The other important NEWS of the week.

    "Somalia: Islamic supremacists ban samosas for "resembling Christian Trinity"

    Well, CNN mightl remember it when they come after their burgers.

    July 27, 2011 at 10:21 am |
  15. Bonnie

    He is evil and stupid. Muslims are tatally alright being in Europe and America. It's immoral perversion that's bringing down the West and the world! Villains always miss the point. The world needs Christian education more than ever.

    July 27, 2011 at 10:16 am |
  16. Rainer Braendlein

    We must embrace Christianity again!!!

    The mankind is threatened by various enemies: atheism, Neopaganism, papacy, Islam.

    How can we defend us against this enemies?

    We must embrace Christianity again! Solely on the condition that we daily live the Christian life (the good life), God will protect us against our enemies. Assumed, we reject Christianity, God will send our enemies against us and we will hardly find forceful weapons to defend us.

    Let us love our neighbours by the power of Jesus Christ (receive the power of Christ's death and resurrection by sacramental baptism according to Romans 6).

    July 27, 2011 at 10:07 am |
    • Rainer Braendlein

      Don't laught at me, regarding papacy. I repeat: Papacy is extremly harmful.

      Ireland is about to seperate from the Roman Catholic Church. Obviously, the Irish have recognized the wickedness of the Vatican.

      May Ireland become a Protestant country soon.

      C. S. Lewis had said: "May Aslan rule Ireland for ever and ever!"

      July 27, 2011 at 10:16 am |
    • David Johnson

      @Rainer Braendlein

      You said: "God will protect us against our enemies."

      God did not protect the Jews from the Germans. And the Jews are god's chosen people.

      God does not protect children from the monsters that would harm them. And they are innocent.

      God does not protect people from earthquakes, famines, floods, disease, birth defects, etc. ad nauseum.

      In fact, the world and the universe works about like I would suspect it would, if there were no god.

      Christians claim their god is Omnipotent ( all powerful), Omniscient (all knowing) and Omnibenevolent (all good).

      1). If god is Omnibenevolent, He would WANT every human to believe in Him.
      The bible says He does:

      2 Peter 3:9
      9The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. King James Version (KJV)

      1 Timothy 2:4
      4Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. King James Version (KJV)

      2.) If god is Omniscient, then He would KNOW exactly how to convince anyone and everyone that He exists.

      3.) If god is Omnipotent, then He would be ABLE to convince anybody and everybody that He exists.

      Yet, ~ 67% of the world's population are not Christians.

      Therefore, the Christian god is very unlikely to exist.

      Cheers!

      July 27, 2011 at 10:22 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Rainer
      So which of the thousands of sects of Christianity is the right one?

      Is it Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, As.syrian, Byzantine, Lutheran, Anglican, Presbyterian, Anabaptism, Brethren, Methodist, Pietism, Apostolic, Pentocostal, Charismatic, African Initiated, United, Quakers, Couthcotti.tism, Millerism, British-Isrealism, Latter Day Saints, Mennonite, 7th day Adventism, Kelleyism, Co.oneyism, Shakers, Methernitha, Strigolniki, Yehowism, Christadelphians, Christian Science, doukhobors, Iglesia ni Cristo, Makuya, Molokans, Subbotniks, Ebionism, Martinism, Rosicrucians, Rastafarianism, Santo Daime, or Umbanda....... et cetera ad nauseum

      July 27, 2011 at 10:24 am |
    • J.W

      Doc Mennonite is the correct one.

      July 27, 2011 at 10:47 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @J.W.
      Thanks for narrowing down the list.
      Now I've just got to choose between Old Order Amish, New Order Amish, Kaufman Amish Mennonites, Conservative Mennonite Conference, Biblical Mennonite Alliance, General Conference Mennonite Church, Old Mennonite Church, Funkites, Orthodox Reformed Mennonite Church, Holdeman Mennonites, Weaverland Conference Mennonites, or Staufer Mennonites.

      July 27, 2011 at 11:00 am |
    • Rainer Braendlein

      Having a look on ecclesiastical history, you would figure out that the Christian Church has the following maximum compass:

      The sacramental baptism: The true Church has always believed and will always believe that baptism is not a mere symbolic act, but God acts during baptism. God is the invisible Baptist. The Church merely administrates baptism. The power of baptism comes down from above (heaven).

      Furthermore baptism is not a ticket to heaven, but the gateway to a Christian life. By baptism we get enabled to live a Christian life. Before we get baptized, we hear the message of Christ, who has died and risen for us, in oder to set us free. Christ has borne our sins on the cross. Our old man has died together with Jesus and we have resurrected with Jesus to a new life. Believe in Christ and get baptized and you are righteous.

      The faith is brought about by the Holy Spirit (a person of the Trinity). Ask God for faith.

      July 27, 2011 at 11:02 am |
    • Ze Pewp

      Doc
      I have the prettiest beenie, and the cutest white dress, so it HAS to be us.

      July 27, 2011 at 11:05 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Rainer
      Hmmm... you've narrowed the field a little bit.
      So "The True Church" is one that practices adult baptism and worships the triune God.
      Mennonite certainly falls in that category, so I'll try to whittle it down from there....

      July 27, 2011 at 11:23 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Rainer
      Can a Christian be a soldier?

      July 27, 2011 at 11:23 am |
    • J.W

      Yeah Doc Mennonites are a little different though. They dont baptize babies. They believe that people should wait til they are older to be baptized.

      July 27, 2011 at 11:28 am |
    • Rainer Braendlein

      Infant baptism is valid!!! Once the pregnant Elisabeth was visited by the pregnant Mary (Elisabeth had John the Baptist in her womb, Mary had Jesus in her womb).

      When they met each other, John started to jump within the womb of his mother. He rejoyced, because Jesus (in Mary's womb) had visited him. In that moment John became a believer (within the womb of his mother!).

      Thus, faith doesn't depend on reason, but on the impact of the Holy Spirit. The Almighty God can make an infant believing. It is no problem for him.

      Where is the Holy Spirit? He dwells among true believers. Solely amid believers infants should be baptized.

      The infant baptism of the Geman Evangelical Church is a bollocks, because it takes place without the Holy Spirit.

      July 27, 2011 at 11:54 am |
    • Rainer Braendlein

      @Doc Vestibule

      A Christian is allowed to be a soldier in a defensive war against an evil army (it must be an anti-Christian army).

      That Christian armies fight against each other should be impossible.

      July 27, 2011 at 12:00 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Rainer
      Infant baptism and fighting in war is OK?
      Well, that strikes the Mennonites off teh list as the 1 True Faith.

      Christians don't fight other Christians?
      You might want to tell that to the Catholics and Protestants in Northern Ireland.

      July 27, 2011 at 3:01 pm |
  17. David Johnson

    Christopher Hitchens once said, "Religion poisons everything." He is a wise man.

    How much better off the world would be, if only we could stop believing in the supernatural. We are like a child reading a comic book and imagining the superheros are real.

    Cheers!

    July 27, 2011 at 10:07 am |
    • Rainer Braendlein

      Poor!

      July 27, 2011 at 10:10 am |
    • Mike from CT

      Good question, ask the French who took part in the revolution

      Or the Russians alive during Stalins reign

      Or Communist China?

      July 27, 2011 at 12:53 pm |
  18. AGuest9

    Europe IS drowning in Muslims. Islam is bent on the dissolusion of its host, like a cancer. They want things changed to suit them, which sounds just like illegal aliens from Mexico and Central America in the U.S. But, that's not a reason to kill people.

    July 27, 2011 at 10:06 am |
  19. William Demuth

    Christians killing children in the name of Jesus and racial purity.

    Where have I heard this before?

    The children of Abraham are a sick lot, and far to many children die because we refuse to call their belief systems evil.

    Be you Jew, Gentile, or Muslim, the blood of these children are on YOUR hands

    July 27, 2011 at 9:48 am |
    • Bonnie

      Christians are the only ones who try to stop the atheists' infanticide and massacre all over the world.

      July 27, 2011 at 10:18 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Bonnie
      Who exactly is is killing infants?

      July 27, 2011 at 10:29 am |
    • DaLe

      Uhm, persons in NATO, CIA, various groups for that matter (and if blame/guilt extents by financial 'aid', then all tax payers I guess); car drivers; rapists; free(as in physical access)-for-all abortion clinics; famines/hunger; dirty water (not only from eg. chemical plants); poison; domestic abuse; diseases (mostly in combination with other factors); from a more or less theological viewpoint all kinds of (non-medical-reason) contraception. The list would be longer if we also talk about 'mental death'.

      July 27, 2011 at 2:09 pm |
    • DaLe

      Also, occasionally a wild animal or such, and accidents.

      July 27, 2011 at 2:16 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Dale
      And are Christians somehow excluded from that list, being the ONLY ones (according to Bonnie) who fight against these people?
      And by the way, abortion clinics do not commit infanticide – unless they're performing retroactive abortions.
      They are commiting embryocide, gameteocide or blastocysticide – but a child actually has to be born to be considered an infant.

      July 27, 2011 at 2:36 pm |
  20. Rainer Braendlein

    The article, further below, of Prothero is one of the worst articles, I have ever read!

    Passage of the above article:

    "Osama bin Laden was a Muslim terrorist. Yes, he twisted the Quran and the Islamic tradition in directions most Muslims would not countenance. But he rooted his hate and his terrorism in that text and that tradition. So Muslims, as I have long argued, have a responsibility to speak out forcefully against Bin Laden and to look hard at the resources in their tradition that work to promote such evil."

    Twisted the Koran????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

    No, no, no! Osama bin Laden acted according to the very doctrine of the Koran. He did not have to twist it at all!!!

    Mercifully, today the most Muslims are secularized, and thus don't know the evil mysteries of the wicked Koran. Would Muslims know better the Koran, they could behave very outlandish (like bin Laden).

    Read the Koran and notice, it was really written for the purpose to unite the Arabs for a war against the disbelievers (in Muhammad's eyes Jews and Christians are disbelievers).

    It is fully correct to name Osama bin Laden a Muslim terrorist, whereby he had not to twist the Koran in any way. Osama just was, what the Koran meant him and every other Muslim to be.

    By the Holy Bible at least the pagans, which have converted to Christianity (we), cannot reason any aggressive war. For us (the people of the Western World) the Bible is a book of love: In his love God sent his eternal Son Jesus Christ to deliver us. As delivered people, we are able to love our neighbours (also the Muslims). So, God's love flows through us.

    July 27, 2011 at 9:47 am |
    • DaLe

      "In his love God sent his eternal Son Jesus Christ to deliver us."

      You make it sound as if JC is a slave catcher, unless the premise is that every person is a slave to the devil (or themselves for that matter) until they are freed/liberated.

      July 27, 2011 at 2:06 pm |
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