Norway suspect admired bloggers who say Europe is drowning in Muslims
Norway attacks suspect Anders Behring Breivik frequented websites that see the modern world as a "clash of civilizations."
July 27th, 2011
09:42 AM ET

Norway suspect admired bloggers who say Europe is drowning in Muslims

By Tim Lister, CNN

(CNN) - Anders Behring Breivik was a prolific blogger and visitor to online sites that reaffirmed his worldview.

Breivik's taste in online conversation shows a compulsive interest in websites that see the modern world in terms of a "clash of civilizations," where Christian values are supposedly under siege in the face of an Islamic onslaught.

But rarely if ever does he seem to have advocated a violent response to what he saw as the Islamization of Europe, even as he planned a massacre for years.

The head of Norway's intelligence police, Janne Kristiansen, told a Norwegian newspaper Monday that Breivik had "deliberately desisted from violent exhortations on the net. He has more or less been a moderate, and has neither been part of any extremist network."

Read the full story on the bloggers Anders Behring Breivik read
- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Christianity • Islam • Norway

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  1. soltan


    July 29, 2011 at 5:43 pm |
  2. Muneef

    This was not written by Muslims !! 
    But maybe explains that you should start cleaning ŷour own door step;

    "Revelation shows that the power behind the throne of the Roman Empire or the beast was the devil himself (Revelation 12:8-9)". 
    Read more;

    July 29, 2011 at 4:47 pm |
    • Muneef

      This was not written by Muslims !!

      Revelation shows that the power behind the throne of the Roman Empire or the beast was the devil himself (Revelation 12:8-9). 

      Revelation tells us the beast’s mentor is the dragon or Satan, who gives him power, authority and a ruling throne (verses 2, 4). The dragon works behind the scenes through the beast, and he will not be mentioned much until chapter 20. But we know that he is the one who is responsible for leading the "whole world astray" (12:8). We can then define the beast from the sea or the Roman Empire as the agent of the dragon on earth.

      The beast from the earth
      Chapter 13 introduces us to the two agents through whom Satan carries out his war against the people of God. The first beast from the sea was grotesque, with seven heads and ten horns. It possessed the combined characteristics of leopard, bear and lion.

      The second beast comes out of the earth. His appearance is not so terrifying. While he speaks with the power of the dragon, he has only "two horns like a lamb" (13:11). This beast is later identified as "the false prophet" (16:13; 19:20; 20:10).

      The main function of the second beast or false prophet is to cause the world to worship the first beast, who represents secular political power. Thus, he is something of a chief priest in the beast’s kingdom.

      The second beast establishes the ideological foundation of the anti-God empire or kingdom on earth. He creates the instruments and rituals of worship in his name. The second beast uses his religious authority to underpin the political, military, social and inst-i-tutional power of the first beast.

      The second beast has been called the antichrist’s Minister of Prop-a-ganda. In many respects his nefarious work is a parody of Christ establishing the kingdom of God.

      Read more;

      July 29, 2011 at 5:27 pm |
    • Reality

      "Nineteenth-century agnostic Robert G. Ingersoll branded Revelation "the insanest of all books".[30] Thomas Jefferson omitted it along with most of the Biblical canon, from the Jefferson Bible, and wrote that at one time, he "considered it as merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams." [31]

      Martin Luther "found it an offensive piece of work" and John Calvin "had grave doubts about its value."[32]

      July 30, 2011 at 12:13 am |
  3. Bonnie

    Europe is drowning in immorality and perversion just like America is. It should repent and listen to the Pope.

    July 29, 2011 at 12:47 pm |
    • Anti Christian Taliban Schizophrenics

      Actually the Roman's should have fed more of you to the lions. D@mn them fro dropping the ball. Praise you child rapist leader!

      July 29, 2011 at 12:49 pm |
  4. John


    July 29, 2011 at 11:55 am |
    • ....

      ~Don't bother watching this garbage, click the report abuse link to get rid of this troll.......

      July 29, 2011 at 12:51 pm |
  5. Muneef

    BBC2 has produced 'a presenter-led do-cu-mentary series' on the life of Muhammad (pbuh)
    which 'draw on the expertise and comments from the world's leading academics and commentators on Islam.'
    You will find all three parts of the do-cu-mentary in the following link.

    July 29, 2011 at 2:22 am |
    • Reality

      The Mohammed of history, past and contemporary:

      Mohammed was an illiterate, womanizing, lust and greed-driven, warmongering, hallucinating Arab, who also had embellishing/hallucinating/plagiarizing scribal biographers who not only added "angels" and flying chariots to the koran but also a militaristic agenda to support the plundering and looting of the lands of non-believers.

      This agenda continues as shown by the ma-ssacre in Mumbai, the as-sas-sinations of Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh, the conduct of the seven Muslim doctors in the UK, the 9/11 terrorists, the 24/7 Sunni suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the 24/7 Shiite suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the Islamic bombers of the trains in the UK and Spain, the Bali crazies, the Kenya crazies, the Pakistani “koranics”, the Palestine suicide bombers/rocketeers, the Lebanese nutcases, the Taliban nut jobs, the Ft. Hood follower of the koran, and the Filipino “koranics”.

      And who funds this muck and stench of terror? The warmongering, Islamic, Shiite terror and torture theocracy of Iran aka the Third Axis of Evil and also the Sunni "Wannabees" of Saudi Arabia.

      Current crises:

      The Sunni-Shiite blood feud and the warmongering, womanizing (11 wives), hallucinating founder.

      July 29, 2011 at 7:34 am |
    • Muneef

      [51:52] Consistently, when a messenger went to the previous generations, they said, "Magician," or, "Crazy."

      [51:53] Did they make an agreement with each other? Indeed, they are transgressors.

      [51:54] You may disregard them; you cannot be blamed.

      [51:55] And remind, for the reminder benefits the believers.

      July 29, 2011 at 11:11 pm |
  6. Muneef

    Such crime if it took place any where in our Islamic lands and was caught for the crime....he will be torn to pieces there and then with out trial since trials are supposed for those who are suspected and not proven guilty....but as a case that is as plain they should have condemned him to worst death with out any need for court trials...
    But by being soft on the issue and giving ear to such junk you open doors for those copycats whom seek fame...

    July 29, 2011 at 12:03 am |
  7. AvdBerg

    By reading the comments on this Blog it seems very obvious to us that all the foundations of the earth out of course (Psalms 82:5). For a better understanding of this scriptural verse we invite you to read the latest article ‘CNN Belief Blog ~ Sign of the Times’ listed on our website http://www.aworlddeceived.ca

    July 28, 2011 at 6:57 pm |
    • .....

      AvdBerg is a troll on this site trying to promote their cult and website, click the report abuse link to get rid of this troll.

      July 28, 2011 at 6:58 pm |
  8. Muneef

    Man O Man

    When without money,
    eats wild vegetables at home
    When has money,
    eats same wild vegetables in fine restaurant.
    When without money,
    rides bicycle;
    When has money,
    rides exercise machine.
    When without money,
    walks to earn food
    When has money,
    walks to lose the fat
    Man O Man !  never fails to deceive thyself !
    When without money,
    wishes to get married;
    When has money,
    wishes to get divorced.
    When without money,
    wife becomes secretary;
    When has money,
    secretary becomes wife.
    When without money, acts like rich man;
    When has money, acts like poor man.

    Man, O Man, never can tell the simple truth !
    Says share market is bad
    but keeps speculating;
    Says money is evil
    but keeps acc-umu-lating.
    Says high positions are lonely
    but keeps wanting them.
    Says gambling & drinking is bad
    but keeps indulging;

    Man O Man !
    Never means what he says
    never says what he means!

    July 28, 2011 at 1:36 pm |
    • Reality

      Man O Koran

      And the koranic/mosque- driven acts of terror and horror continue:

      The Muslim Conquest of India – 11th to 18th century

      ■"The likely death toll is somewhere between 2 million and 80 million. The geometric mean of those two limits is 12.7 million. "

      and the 19 million killed in the Mideast Slave Trade 7C-19C by Muslims.

      and more recently

      1a) 179 killed in Mumbai/Bombay, 290 injured

      1b) Assassination of Benazir Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh

      2) 9/11, 3000 mostly US citizens, 1000’s injured

      3) The 24/7 Sunni-Shiite centuries-old blood feud currently being carried out in Iraq, US troops killed in action, 3,483 and 925 in non combat roles. 99,901 – 109,143 Iraqi civilians killed as of 3/3/2011/, mostly due to suicide bombers, http://www.iraqbodycount.org/ and http://www.defenselink.mil/news/casualty.pdf

      4) Kenya- In Nairobi, about 212 people were killed and an estimated 4000 injured; in Dar es Salaam, the attack killed at least 11 and wounded 85.[2]

      5) Bali-in 2002-killing 202 people, 164 of whom were foreign nationals, and 38 Indonesian citizens. A further 209 people were injured.

      6) Bali in 2005- Twenty people were killed, and 129 people were injured by three bombers who killed themselves in the attacks.

      7) Spain in 2004- killing 191 people and wounding 2,050.

      8. UK in 2005- The bombings killed 52 commuters and the four radical Islamic suicide bombers, injured 700.

      9) The execution of an eloping couple in Afghanistan on 04/15/2009 by the Taliban.

      10) – Afghanistan: US troops 1,141 killed in action, 242 killed in non-combat situations as of 03/03/2011. Over 40,000 Afghan civilians killed due to the dark-age, koranic-driven Taliban acts of horror

      11) The killing of 13 citizen soldiers at Ft. Hood by a follower of the koran.

      12) 38 Russian citizens killed on March 29, 2010 by Muslim women suicide bombers.

      13) The May 28, 2010 attack on a Islamic religious minority in Pakistan, which have left 98 dead,

      14) Lockerbie is known internationally as the site where, on 21 December 1988, the wreckage of Pan Am Flight 103 crashed as a result of a terrorist bomb. In the United Kingdom the event is referred to as the Lockerbie disaster, the Lockerbie bombing, or simply Lockerbie. Eleven townspeople were killed in Sherwood Crescent, where the plane's wings and fuel tanks plummeted in a fiery explosion, destroying several houses and leaving a huge crater, with debris causing damage to a number of buildings nearby. The 270 fatalities (259 on the plane, 11 in Lockerbie) were citizens of 21 nations.

      15 The daily suicide and/or roadside and/or mosque bombings in the terror world of Islam.

      16) Bombs sent from Yemen by followers of the koran which fortunately were discovered before the bombs were detonated.

      17) The killing of 58 Christians in a Catholic church in one of the latest acts of horror and terror in Iraq.

      18) Moscow airport suicide bombing: 35 dead, 130 injured. January 25, 2011.

      19) A Pakistani minister, who had said he was getting death threats because of his stance against the country's controversial blasphemy law, was shot and killed Wednesday, 3/2/2011

      20) two American troops killed in Germany by a recently radicalized Muslim, 3/3/2011

      21) the kidnapping and apparent killing of a follower of Zoraster in the dark world of Islamic Pakistan.

      22) Shariatpur, Bangladesh (CNN 3/30/2011) - Hena Akhter's last words to her mother proclaimed her innocence. But it was too late to save the 14-year-old girl. Her fellow villagers in Bangladesh's Shariatpur district had already passed harsh judgment on her. Guilty, they said, of having an affair with a married man. The imam from the local mosque ordered the fatwa, or religious ruling, and the punishment: 101 lashes delivered swiftly, deliberately in public. Hena dropped after 70 and died a week later.

      July 28, 2011 at 4:51 pm |
    • Muneef


      Today throwing words...but wonder whether a time would come where you would be throwing some thing else just as this guy who continued like you until a time came with too much hatred in his heart had found another way to relieve it ??
      Well at least am sure you will not do as he did Killing White Ones...you have your own choices to make...?
      Just hope that you are guided and for love to fill out the hatred you have, that hatred might as well ill health you if not kill you before time... Pease.

      July 28, 2011 at 8:49 pm |
    • Reality

      Saving Muslims is quite easy!!!

      The Five Steps To Deprogram 1400 Years of Islamic Myths:

      ( –The Steps take less than two minutes to finish- simply amazing, two minutes to bring peace and rationality to over one billion lost souls- Priceless!!!)

      Are you ready?

      Using "The 77 Branches of Islamic "faith" a collection compiled by Imam Bayhaqi as a starting point. In it, he explains the essential virtues that reflect true "faith" (iman) through related Qur’anic verses and Prophetic sayings." i.e. a nice summary of the Koran and Islamic beliefs.

      The First Five of the 77 Branches:

      "1. Belief in Allah"

      aka as God, Yahweh, Zeus, Jehovah, Mother Nature, etc. should be added to your cleansing neurons.

      "2. To believe that everything other than Allah was non-existent. Thereafter, Allah Most High created these things and subsequently they came into existence."

      Evolution and the Big Bang or the "Gi-b G-nab" (when the universe starts to recycle) are more plausible and the "akas" for Allah should be included if you continue to be a "crea-tionist".

      "3. To believe in the existence of angels."

      A major item for neuron cleansing. Angels/de-vils are the mythical creations of ancient civilizations, e.g. Hitt-ites, to explain/define natural events, contacts with their gods, big birds, sudden winds, protectors during the dark nights, etc. No "pretty/ug-ly wingy thingies" ever visited or talked to Mohammed, Jesus, Mary or Joseph or Joe Smith. Today we would classify angels as f–airies and "tin–ker be-lls". Modern de-vils are classified as the de-mons of the de-mented.

      "4. To believe that all the heavenly books that were sent to the different prophets are true. However, apart from the Quran, all other books are not valid anymore."

      Another major item to delete. There are no books written in the spirit state of Heaven (if there is one) just as there are no angels to write/publish/distribute them. The Koran, OT, NT etc. are simply books written by humans for humans.

      Prophets were invented by ancient scribes typically to keep the un-educated masses in line. Today we call them for-tune tellers.

      Prophecies are also invali-dated by the natural/God/Allah gifts of Free Will and Future.

      "5. To believe that all the prophets are true. However, we are commanded to follow the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) alone."

      Mohammed spent thirty days "fasting" (the Ramadan legend) in a hot cave before his first contact with Allah aka God etc. via a "pretty wingy thingy". Common sense demands a neuron deletion of #5. #5 is also the major source of Islamic vi-olence i.e. turning Mohammed's "fast, hunger-driven" hallu-cinations into horrible reality for unbelievers.

      Walk these Five Steps and we guarantee a complete recovery from your Islamic ways!!!!

      Unfortunately, there are not many Muslim commentators/readers on this blog so the "two-minute" cure is not getting to those who need it. If you have a Muslim friend, send him a copy and help save the world.

      Analogous steps are available at your request for deprogramming the myths of Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism and Paganism..

      July 28, 2011 at 11:57 pm |
  9. Reality

    The Gods and Their Religions – a 21st Century Update:

    1. origin: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20E1EFE35540C7A8CDDAA0894DA404482

    “New Torah For Modern Minds

    Abraham, the Jewish patriarch, probably never existed. Nor did Moses. The entire Exodus story as recounted in the Bible probably never occurred. The same is true of the tumbling of the walls of Jericho. And David, far from being the fearless king who built Jerusalem into a mighty capital, was more likely a provincial leader whose reputation was later magnified to provide a rallying point for a fledgling nation.

    Such startling propositions – the product of findings by archaeologists digging in Israel and its environs over the last 25 years – have gained wide acceptance among non-Orthodox rabbis. But there has been no attempt to disseminate these ideas or to discuss them with the laity – until now.

    The United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism, which represents the 1.5 million Conservative Jews in the United States, has just issued a new Torah and commentary, the first for Conservatives in more than 60 years. Called "Etz Hayim" ("Tree of Life" in Hebrew), it offers an interpretation that incorporates the latest findings from archaeology, philology, anthropology and the study of ancient cultures. To the editors who worked on the book, it represents one of the boldest efforts ever to introduce into the religious mainstream a view of the Bible as a human rather than divine docu-ment. “

    2. Jesus was an illiterate Jewish peasant/carpenter/simple preacher man who suffered from hallucinations (or “mythicizing” from P, M, M, L and J) and who has been characterized anywhere from the Messiah from Nazareth to a mythical character from mythical Nazareth to a ma-mzer from Nazareth (Professor Bruce Chilton, in his book Rabbi Jesus). An-alyses of Jesus’ life by many contemporary NT scholars (e.g. Professors Ludemann, Crossan, Borg and Fredriksen, ) via the NT and related doc-uments have concluded that only about 30% of Jesus' sayings and ways noted in the NT were authentic. The rest being embellishments (e.g. miracles)/hallucinations made/had by the NT authors to impress various Christian, Jewish and Pagan sects.

    The 30% of the NT that is "authentic Jesus" like everything in life was borrowed/plagiarized and/or improved from those who came before. In Jesus' case, it was the ways and sayings of the Babylonians, Greeks, Persians, Egyptians, Hitt-ites, Canaanites, OT, John the Baptizer and possibly the ways and sayings of traveling Greek Cynics.


    For added "pizzazz", Catholic theologians divided god the singularity into three persons and invented atonement as an added guilt trip for the "pew people" to go along with this trinity of overseers. By doing so, they made god the padre into god the "filicider".

    Current RCC problems:

    Pedophiliac priests, an all-male, mostly white hierarchy, atonement theology and original sin!!!!

    3., Luther, Calvin, Joe Smith, Henry VIII, Wesley, Roger Williams, the Great “Babs” et al, founders of Christian-based religions or combination religions also suffered from the belief in/hallucinations of "pretty wingie thingie" visits and "prophecies" for profits analogous to the myths of Catholicism (resurrections, apparitions, ascensions and immacu-late co-nceptions).

    Current problems:
    Adulterous preachers, pedophiliac clerics, "propheteering/ profiteering" evangelicals and atonement theology,

    3. Mohammed was an illiterate, womanizing, lust and greed-driven, warmongering, hallucinating Arab, who also had embellishing/hallucinating/plagiarizing scribal biographers who not only added "angels" and flying chariots to the koran but also a militaristic agenda to support the plundering and looting of the lands of non-believers.

    This agenda continues as shown by the ma-ssacre in Mumbai, the as-sas-sinations of Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh, the conduct of the seven Muslim doctors in the UK, the 9/11 terrorists, the 24/7 Sunni suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the 24/7 Shiite suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the Islamic bombers of the trains in the UK and Spain, the Bali crazies, the Kenya crazies, the Pakistani “koranics”, the Palestine suicide bombers/rocketeers, the Lebanese nutcases, the Taliban nut jobs, the Ft. Hood follower of the koran, and the Filipino “koranics”.

    And who funds this muck and stench of terror? The warmongering, Islamic, Shiite terror and torture theocracy of Iran aka the Third Axis of Evil and also the Sunni "Wannabees" of Saudi Arabia.

    Current crises:

    The Sunni-Shiite blood feud and the warmongering, womanizing (11 wives), hallucinating founder.

    5. Hinduism (from an online Hindu site) – "Hinduism cannot be described as an organized religion. It is not founded by any individual. Hinduism is God centered and therefore one can call Hinduism as founded by God, because the answer to the question ‘Who is behind the eternal principles and who makes them work?’ will have to be ‘Cosmic power, Divine power, God’."

    The caste/laborer system, reincarnation and cow worship/reverence are problems when saying a fair and rational God founded Hinduism."

    Current crises:

    The caste system and cow worship/reverence.

    6. Buddhism- "Buddhism began in India about 500 years before the birth of Christ. The people living at that time had become disillusioned with certain beliefs of Hinduism including the caste system, which had grown extremely complex. The number of outcasts (those who did not belong to any particular caste) was continuing to grow."

    "However, in Buddhism, like so many other religions, fanciful stories arose concerning events in the life of the founder, Siddhartha Gautama (fifth century B.C.):"

    Archaeological discoveries have proved, beyond a doubt, his historical character, but apart from the legends we know very little about the circu-mstances of his life. e.g. Buddha by one legend was supposedly talking when he came out of his mother's womb.

    Bottom line: There are many good ways of living but be aware of the hallucinations, embellishments, lies, and myths surrounding the founders and foundations of said rules of life.

    Then, apply the Five F rule: "First Find the Flaws, then Fix the Foundations". And finally there will be religious peace and religious awareness in the world!!!!!

    July 28, 2011 at 1:07 pm |
  10. Rainer Braendlein


    Hi Muneef!

    Do you rejoyce or cry, when you read the following?:

    "balāṭ asch-schuhadāʾ"

    May Charles Martel (Karl Martell) be blessed for ever and ever!

    July 28, 2011 at 8:31 am |
    • Muneef


      Don't think it makes sense to me therefore can not tell you what I feel...!?

      July 28, 2011 at 9:49 am |
  11. Bonnie

    The hedonistic West needs Muslims. Muslims will bring sanity into the society that pseudo-christians could not.

    July 28, 2011 at 2:33 am |
    • Greene

      I hope you're ready for an end to women's rights. Forget this "glass ceiling stuff." It will be "wooden stick" time again.

      July 28, 2011 at 8:17 am |
    • Bonnie

      @Greene, you are wrong. Now is the time all Muslims can obtain the freedom of conscience and human rights in the West and beyond. A new dream era dawning for Muslims. Muslims have rights for the Gospel message, decent education and be happy just like any others.

      July 28, 2011 at 8:27 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Muslims have rights to the Gospel message?
      Yes – the gospel of Muhammed, not Jesus.
      If you think it is easy to convert a Muslim to a Christian, please put your money where your mouth is. Visit a mosque and start preaching your Jesus claptrap.
      Or, to put it another way, would you reject Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour if a devout Muslim preached the message if Islam to you?

      July 28, 2011 at 8:32 am |
    • Bonnie

      @Doc-, stop trying to equate Christianity with others. A bad habit of secular immoral Westerners. Other religions especially atheism don't need to evangelize anyone because none of them have any salvation. But Christianity needs to be preached to everyone on earth because Jesus alone is the sure salvation.

      July 28, 2011 at 8:36 am |
    • Reality

      Bonnie today. Yesterday and before, ten aliases but the same "red-necked" Christian supposedly living in Italy.

      July 28, 2011 at 9:12 am |
  12. Logan9773

    He was right about the muslims. They're all terrorists and invaders at heart.

    July 28, 2011 at 2:03 am |
  13. chris

    All religions have their problems (and Atheists have problems as well), but there is something seriously wrong with Islam. There is something destructive in that religion not found in Judaism, Christianity, Taoism, or the other religions.

    I'm not sure why that is, but it's true.

    July 28, 2011 at 12:49 am |
    • Logan9773

      Oh, the christians used to be terrorists. They even tried to hide the Nazi's after WW2. And now, they seem to be rearing their ugly heads again. While the shooter was right about the muslims, it shows the christians have their sights on other rivals as well.

      July 28, 2011 at 2:05 am |
    • Bonnie

      It's Christian Americans and Christian Britons who saved the world at WW2. But atheists massacred those whom Nazis even made survive.

      July 28, 2011 at 2:36 am |
  14. Compassion

    Why these peoples migrating to Europe anyway? Is Middle East to small for them? They come in the name of freedom but they forcing us to accept megaphone on 3am morning. Forcing our community in the name of freedom democracy to wear full face "ninjas" cover? What happen in Europe is Culture War and the fact is Christian Europe is dying.

    July 27, 2011 at 11:35 pm |
    • Muneef

      Some of those countries had brought that upon them selves by invading,occupying,colonizing some of the 3 world countries..living out on their land resources...and now came the time to pay the outstanding bills of those old times...

      Beside maybe you were few or lazy therefore had to open your gates wide open to immigration,cheap labor, slavery trafficking until now you have no space to move...although some of you call your lands as "Christian Lands Club" but many insist that the Land is of Atheists and Pagans...

      July 28, 2011 at 12:13 am |
  15. Compassion

    Open http://quran.com/5/51

    Look that Muslims teaching is hatred towards Jews and Christians. But we must love them and help them to get out from darkness blinded cave.

    Sahih International
    O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are [in fact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you – then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people.

    July 27, 2011 at 11:23 pm |
    • Muneef

      Very obvious verse that says all through history the Jews and Christians were closer to each other than they are to Muslims and that they always had joined forces against Islam and that is why we were told not to fool our selves that they would care to safe guard our interests,and that therefore we should not leave our faith or destiny in their hands...!

      July 28, 2011 at 12:19 am |
    • Bonnie

      Muneef, get the history right. Muslims cowardly attacked Christian pilgrims first, and Muslims were defeated in their campaigns against the Christian Europe.

      July 28, 2011 at 2:39 am |
    • Muneef

      There was an agreement in Jerusalem through which Jews,Christians,Muslims lived peacefully and as well as pilgrims, if you read history well you will realize that most attacks by Muslims was a reaction to certain attacks by pilgrims or those soldiers who came with them as guards.

      July 28, 2011 at 9:55 am |
    • Bonnie

      Muneef, don't talk non-sense. The pilgrims attacked none. It's always Muslims attacking infidels first and foremost because Muslims cannot stand the existence of infidels. Your recent history even proves it. Muslims have not changed.

      July 29, 2011 at 12:45 pm |
    • Anti Christian Taliban Schizophrenics


      Muneef, don't talk non-sense. The pilgrims attacked none. It's always Muslims attacking infidels first and foremost because Muslims cannot stand the existence of infidels. Your recent history even proves it. Muslims have not changed.


      If only we could isolate the christians and muslims to one part of the world and hand them knives. It is hard to have tolerance for ignorance.

      July 29, 2011 at 12:48 pm |
  16. Bonnie

    And if the liberals plan to saturate the main population with their filthy entertainment and make everyone equally immoral, it won't work either. The kids in such societies become evil and try to destroy the society senselessly and without a purpose.

    July 27, 2011 at 10:31 pm |
    • WesH

      Lady, shut up!

      July 27, 2011 at 10:36 pm |
    • Bonnie

      WesH, why? I love USA....

      July 27, 2011 at 10:38 pm |
    • WesH

      Obviously not. You hate everything we stand for: freedom of religion, speech, etc

      July 27, 2011 at 10:40 pm |
    • Muneef

      Back to kitchen... 😉

      July 27, 2011 at 10:54 pm |
    • Bonnie

      @WesH, It is FREEDOM TO WORSHIP!! Get that correctly, you anti-Americans. @Muneef, You men read the Bible and say something sane and wise so women like us can stay in kitchen in silence. You men became too illiterate and feminized we have to speak up.

      July 28, 2011 at 2:31 am |
    • Muneef

      Yes we do that when they Buzz like a Wasp stinging everybody around them....

      July 28, 2011 at 10:01 am |
  17. Bonnie

    I think every nation needs a sane, dominant majority rule without discriminating minorities, in order to be really stable. Like the Communists, liberal Europeans and liberal Americans are too naive on human nature. Multi-culturism wil never work for peace but only cause more and more internal strifes, especially if the majority culture is deemed as des-pi-cable by the minorities. All human groups always want dominance either by money or force or by both, if not now, someday.

    July 27, 2011 at 10:22 pm |
    • Bonnie

      The lazy parasites are an exception to this ambition-thing. They always whine and blame others.

      July 27, 2011 at 10:24 pm |
    • WesH

      Ok, Bonnie. Let's all be white with blonde hair and blue eyes and march in lock-step toward a single goal. Sound familiar?

      July 27, 2011 at 10:30 pm |
    • Muneef

      Give me an example of those lazy parasites you mention !

      July 27, 2011 at 10:31 pm |
    • Bonnie

      @WesH, the whites are great. Smart and good-looking, yes. But too many of you have become pervert. I'm sorry for your parents. @Muneef, the Native Americans. They could have worked like the Jews and overthrew the English.

      July 27, 2011 at 10:34 pm |
    • WesH

      I'm so sorry you think that way. And by the way, my parents are both dead, so go ahead and feel sorry for them.

      July 27, 2011 at 10:38 pm |
    • Muneef

      you said;
      "To work like a Jew and over throw the English".

      I say;
      Assure you that there is no natian like the Jews with money skills and other skills....no one can reach that level they are a nation over 5000 years old...our countries having lost the Jews of Arabia for Israel has taken all the knowledge and business mentality that they have, they as well respect the cent before the dollar and do not waste money splashing it here and there as many Muslims or Christians would do.... Parents give great care for their kids education and children show far more intelligence than others...

      But one thing I did not understand is what you mean by over throwing the English?? Are talking about the past or present?

      July 27, 2011 at 10:48 pm |
    • Logan9773

      Witch,_your just as bad as the muslims. And I'm betting your a christian. Your the evil were trying to get rid of.

      July 28, 2011 at 2:09 am |
    • Bonnie

      Muneef, the Jews are the smartest among mankind. You guys remain stupid because you never read their Bible.

      July 28, 2011 at 2:27 am |
    • Muneef

      At times of messengers they were not as Smart....but rather in the new era.... They are rather good with money but not with religion...

      July 28, 2011 at 10:04 am |
    • Bonnie

      Muneef, not true. Find out who are the Nobel Prize recipients. The Jews are extra-oridinary because they are God's chosen people. There is meaning in the existence of the Jews and their history only known to God and to the Bible-reading Christians.

      July 29, 2011 at 12:42 pm |
  18. Bonnie

    The problems of Europe and America are blasphemies, immorality and mass murder(abortion). Muslims living in the West are all right. Muslims in the West must work for the religious freedom in the countries of their origins. That's only fair. Most Islamic nations have no freedom of conscience for anyone.

    July 27, 2011 at 10:16 pm |
    • WesH

      If only you were aborted, Bonnie. Then the world would be a little less narrow minded.

      July 27, 2011 at 10:32 pm |
    • Bonnie

      WesH, I almost was. But God saved me. I owe Him to tell the world truth.

      July 27, 2011 at 10:38 pm |
    • WesH

      The truth? You mean what you believe to be the truth. Little bit of a difference.

      July 27, 2011 at 10:43 pm |
    • Logan9773

      Lol at the fairy tale you worship. Its why the people like me want to get of you. How can you trust someone that worships imaginary beings? Plus, you have a very strange sense of existence.

      July 28, 2011 at 2:12 am |
    • Bonnie

      Logan9773, you don't exist. Don't speak to me.

      July 28, 2011 at 2:25 am |
    • Anti Christian Taliban Schizophrenics

      Bonnie/Adelina likes to fill herself full of the lord. She uses her wooden jesus for other needs.

      July 29, 2011 at 12:44 pm |
  19. Muneef

    Obvious that this was not about Muslims already in Europe but rather from the fears of "Turkey"joining the European Union some others have interests of power and religion powers in the area have inspired your actions and maybe have financed it...

    Find out the true fears of those certain fears;
    Islam-phobia is;
    Europe's Muslim Capital
    No European capital was more cosmopolitan than Constantinople. Its geographical position across the main route between Europe and Asia, its port ‘the finest and most secure I have ever seen’, in the words of the Sieur de Combes in 1688, made it the natural capital of Anatolia, the Balkans and beyond. In its last centuries as capital of the Byzantine Empire, it was not only the holy city of the Orthodox world, dedicated to the Mother of God, but also a cosmopolitan trading centre, with Venetian, Genoese, Muslim, Jewish, Slav and Avar inhabitants.

    Why Europe can not say openly no to Joining the European Unity nor can let go;
    Turkey has dominated European politics for centuries. Turkey was a superpower previously when the Ottoman’s managed to unite many of the lands around Western Turkey. They removed the Byzantine Empire as the world’s superpower and menaced Europe for centuries. In 1453 the Ottoman’s concluded the conquest of Constantinople, the Byzantine capital. This brought to an end all remnants of Roman rule, who had been the world’s superpower for nearly four centuries. 

    July 27, 2011 at 8:12 pm |
    • Muneef

      To be or not to be?

      Arguments for and against Turkey joining the EU

      In or Out? The red-hot Turkey issue
      The argument has raged for 45 years over whether Turkey should become part of Europe, ever since it signed an Association Agreement in 1963 as a first step toward membership. European opinion remains as divided as ever, and we briefly summarize here the main pros and cons.

      FOR Turkey joinig the EU
      AGAINST Turkey joinig the EU

      July 27, 2011 at 9:12 pm |
  20. Modern Philosophy

    There are some very horrible things in the bible too.

    July 27, 2011 at 6:19 pm |
    • Bonnie

      The Bible records fact. Yes, humans are very horrible. Humans need repentance – the message of the Bible

      July 27, 2011 at 10:12 pm |
    • Bonnie

      Unlike others, the Bible never hides anything. Those who read and practice the Bible gain exceptional wisdom and goodness. Haters of the Bible are ignorant and evil.

      July 27, 2011 at 10:28 pm |
    • WesH

      Bonnie is the perfect example of who Jesus wasn't .

      July 27, 2011 at 10:34 pm |
    • Logan9773

      Bonnie, what you need is a good cast iron frying pan to the head. Go to your god.

      July 28, 2011 at 2:13 am |
    • Bonnie

      Only Christians fight against the evil human cultures that oppress women and girls. Atheists think crimes against humanity as only amusing. Bad, bad American atheists. There is no goodness in you.

      July 28, 2011 at 2:24 am |
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