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Sect leader warns of 'death' to 'those who prosecute the church'
July 30th, 2011
09:20 PM ET

Sect leader warns of 'death' to 'those who prosecute the church'

By the CNN Wire Staff

San Angelo, Texas (CNN) - A Texas judge warned Warren Jeffs against calling "for the jury's destruction" shortly after the polygamous sect leader said Friday during his sexual assault trial that those who prosecuted his church would face "sickness and death."

The comments that precipitated the warning to Jeffs, who has been granted the right to represent himself, occurred around midday after Judge Barbara Walther had sent the jury out of the San Angelo courtroom.

"I, the Lord God of heaven, ask the courts to cease the prosecution of my holy ways," Jeffs said. "There will be a judgment against all those who prosecute the church. ... I shall let all people know of your unjust ways. I will bring sickness and death. Let this cease."

Walther then told him that "if you call for the jury's destruction" while the jury - who will decide if Jeffs is guilty on two counts of sexual assault on a child - is present, "you will be removed from the courtroom."

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  1. bob

    So he's finally moved beyond speaking for God, and is now speaking AS God. Must be trying to establish an insanity defense.

    July 31, 2011 at 1:37 pm |
  2. Ron

    Boy, isn't he full of himself!

    July 31, 2011 at 12:50 pm |
    • So be it.

      The moment he made that vicious warning is the point he gave himself to the devil. Oh yes. Lucifer just hacked into his head with hatred and not love.

      July 31, 2011 at 1:17 pm |
    • Free

      Only slightly more full of himself then Jerry Falwell was, and others like him who speak as though they are texting BFFs with God.

      July 31, 2011 at 11:40 pm |
  3. UrsusRexx

    I'm a survivor of an unpunished serial-pedophile, the ONLY one still alive as all theothers have gone below; Warren Jegffs, like other serrial pedophiles, is certainly amusing as well as horrifying; He should do INCREADIBLY well, saving the nation's souls, while simultanously embarking on his '99 years-to-life' pilgrimmage.
    It sounds like Warren Jeffs is almost as successful, in his effort to promote 'adult men & little girls' marriege rites as Jo Ratzinger is doing in HIS effort to promote the Tiber River-Rome franchise of...N.A.M.B.L.A.!
    Meanwhile...I've got a lottery ticket, (133 tribes of 'Somolian$'!); If it comes through, and I buy a 747 with it, I'll need a place to hanger the aircraft when not in use... Anybody got Wee-Timmy-Dolan's phone/email.twitter account?
    I hear the NYC bishop's cathedrals are virtual ghost towns, and Bishop dolan needs to find a good use for all that expen$ive real estate!

    July 31, 2011 at 12:19 pm |
    • News Flash

      He HAS a use for it, (the real estate). He needs the proceeds to pay the settlement from the upcoming International Criminal Court fine. They can't afford to let you use it.

      July 31, 2011 at 12:46 pm |
  4. bu

    Just more evidence that religious thoughts and feelings spread like a virus. The results are a sick society–chaos, pain and death like a cancer of humanity! We need to find the cure for religion!

    July 31, 2011 at 12:04 pm |
  5. Robert

    Jesus Christ I need a new car!!

    July 31, 2011 at 11:43 am |
  6. fernace

    I don't know if you're a troll, FaithScent, but your last post pretty well illustrates why people are not willing to listen to christian rhetoric! First, we (even christians) are confused as to what the True Christian Church is & what it teaches, there seems to be so many contradictions. Secondly, when christians come on with that "he.ll fire & brimstone, repent-or-burn-for-eternity" sermon, it really doesn't give a person alot of insentive! It seems as though God is an angry spirit who is all about conforming, not about learning to be better, more considerate beings. Finally, almost all the teachings I hear have that quality, confusing, contradictory, conformist! When christians preach on this blog, they rarely explain their comments. My guess is because they don't know themselves why they're supposed to believe in this or accept that! I'm very well informed, my spiritual life is thriving now & religion has nothing to do with it!!

    July 31, 2011 at 11:04 am |
    • Draeggo

      You speak your point well but don't seem to realize that there are a lot of Christians that do know where they are at in life and what they are doing and are satisfied and blessed with abundance. I'm glad you'er happy but rest assured you aren't the only one and Christians like any other will be good and bad, strong and weak, so forth and so on.

      July 31, 2011 at 1:57 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      fernace, First, read the Bible on your own. The more you read, the more proficient in His truth you will be.

      Second. If your church does not teach Jesus’ truth book by book, scripture by scripture (starting with Genesis and Ending with Revelation), you are in a phony church teaching the ways of man by sprinkling in scriptures here and there. It should take roughly 3 years to teach the Bible from start to finish, including Q & A time after every reading. After His truth is taught, the church should start the process all over again.

      Amen.

      July 31, 2011 at 5:19 pm |
  7. fernace

    First, I don't think Jeffs is so deluded that he actually thinks he's God, he's just deluded enough to think he's a prophet & God communicates through him. Secondly, I think the case is about unpaid taxes, fraudulent holdings etc., as well as the pedo.phi.lia & bigamy charges. As far as the mol.est.ation case, he's not your average mol.es.ter, he is a preacher in charge of a sect, who preaches that this type of action is Godly & part of the tenets of their religion. That's what makes him so dangerous! The charges will hold & he'll go to prison where he belongs!

    July 31, 2011 at 10:38 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Fernace,

      First, Jeff’s is a Narcissist.
      Second, Narcissists are the folks who know the truth and rely on “Absolute Power, Corrupts Absolutely”.
      Third, Jeff’s and the rest involved in that sect ensured that all the CHECKS and BALANCES no longer work because he has his cronies in all the positions of power.

      Amen.

      July 31, 2011 at 5:32 pm |
    • Free

      HeavenSent
      Who is to say that Jesus wasn't a similar narcissist (remember he supposedly believed he was God), and his close disciples weren't his cronies in similar positions of power?

      August 1, 2011 at 12:29 pm |
  8. Mic

    Another satanic

    July 31, 2011 at 8:51 am |
  9. FaithScent

    The secular West is very hostile to the true Christian Church, though. It's like vicious Commies moved and hijacked the West. But even the Commies were not that s-e-x crazed like the present secular Westerners. The Bible warns punishment upon every wicked nation. Everyone has limited time on earth. Repent and believe in Jesus to be saved, because everyone is a sinner.

    July 31, 2011 at 7:05 am |
  10. FaithScent

    Jesus warns the most severe punishment in hell for all eternity upon those who violate or abuse children. Justice stands, not a madman's curse.

    July 31, 2011 at 6:57 am |
  11. FaithScent

    No worries. Villain's curses go back upon himself. Truth stands. This guy goes to hell according to the Word of God if he has no repentance before death. Another criminal-like Moonie.

    July 31, 2011 at 6:55 am |
  12. BO

    If this Warren Jeffs is just being tried because he is the leader of a sect, he goes free even if he is a polygammist, so long as his wives are consenting adults and were not coerced into marriage, and he has not abused them, that's ok with me. But he even dared touch a child he should get the maxium, which I think is not enough; then he is a dander to society.

    July 31, 2011 at 6:30 am |
  13. Reality

    Jesus was also a bit "touched". After all he thought he spoke to Satan, thought he changed water into wine, thought he raised Lazarus from the dead, thought his heavenly world's servants would protect him if he asked, etc. In today's world, said Jesus would be declared legally insane.

    Or did P, M, M, L and J simply make him into a first century magic-man via their epistles and gospels of semi-fiction? Most contemporary NT experts after thorough analyses of all the scriptures go with the latter magic-man conclusion with J's gospels being mostly fiction.

    Obviously, today's followers of Paul et al's "magic-man" are also a bit on the odd side believing in all the Christian mumbo jumbo about bodies resurrecting, and exorcisms, and miracles, and "magic-man atonement, and infallible, old, European, white men, and 24/7 body/blood sacrifices followed by consumption of said sacrifices. Yummy!!!!

    So why do we really care what a 21st century nut-case like Jeffs or a first century CE, illiterate, long-dead, a-mouldering in the ground, preacher man would do or say?

    July 31, 2011 at 12:57 am |
  14. Enoch2000

    Why do atheists spend their time at a Belief blog? Because they are joyless people who can only find joy in making life difficult for others and/or trying to make everyone else like them. Misery loves company, doesn't it?

    July 31, 2011 at 12:45 am |
    • Reality

      Enoch,

      A prayer just for you as you celebrate the first day of your new life free of the shackles and guilt trips of Christianity!!!

      The Apostles' Creed 2011: (updated by yours truly and based on the studies of historians and theologians during the past 200 years)

      I might believe in a god whose existence cannot be proven
      and said god if he/she/it exists resides in an unproven,
      human-created, spirit state of bliss called heaven.

      I believe there was a 1st century CE, Jewish, simple,
      preacher-man who was conceived by a Jewish carpenter
      named Joseph living in Nazareth and born of a young Jewish
      girl named Mary. (Some say he was a mamzer.)

      Jesus was summarily crucified for being a temple rabble-rouser by
      the Roman troops in Jerusalem serving under Pontius Pilate,

      He was buried in an unmarked grave and still lies
      a-mouldering in the ground somewhere outside of
      Jerusalem.

      Said Jesus' story was embellished and "mythicized" by
      many semi-fiction writers. A descent into Hell, a bodily resurrection
      and ascension stories were promulgated to compete with the
      Caesar myths. Said stories were so popular that they
      grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity
      and featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
      called the eucharistic sacrifice of the non-atoning Jesus.

      Amen

      July 31, 2011 at 1:02 am |
    • Jose Sanchez

      When did the religious gain a monopoly on talking about belief? We have as much a reason to be here as you do.

      July 31, 2011 at 8:58 am |
    • Leo

      Because we have to PUT UP WITH YOU in daily life, so we might as well do a bit of reading. Reading Belief Blog hurts my ears less than when one of the "faithful" tries to interrupt my dinner to pass out pamphlets at my door, squacks in my face about knowing Jeeeezus, or fails around at a political event. And the best part is that the more educated a religious person is (such as the priests and well-educated preachers who often contribute to the blog), the less batty and crazed their arguments, and the more moderate (or even liberal) their stances are. I'd much rather listen to someone with an education discuss their faith without hiding behind anything than to listen to the average "believer." People are dumb.

      So, that's why some atheists read Belief Blog... to get a less irritating peek at what you folks are doing.

      July 31, 2011 at 11:10 am |
    • Atheist b/c Truth is Better Than Fiction

      We come here because we believe in equality and our freedom of speech. As entertaining as it may be to read and attempt to correct the myths believer's fall for, we also learn and educate ourselves. Reading what believer's say just reinforces why we choose not to believe.

      Why would you come on to an article such as this and make such a dumba$$ comment? I am quite positive there are other articles you could have brought this up on. Maybe try to stick with the topic.

      July 31, 2011 at 4:44 pm |
    • John Richardson

      Am I making your life difficult, Enoch? Enoch, why would you say that? Is that what you really believe, Enoch?

      July 31, 2011 at 7:05 pm |
    • Free

      There are articles here about atheism as well, and believers aren't shy about posting their opinions to these stories too. So, sauce for the goose, as they say!

      July 31, 2011 at 11:33 pm |
  15. bhigh

    Has Warren Jeffs had a psychological evaluation? Proclaiming himself "the Lord God of Heaven" pretty much says that he is bat-- insane. His "proclamations" are about as valid as Harold Camping's.

    July 30, 2011 at 10:26 pm |
    • Free

      Ah, didn't Jesus supposedly claim to be God?

      July 31, 2011 at 11:29 pm |
  16. Estevan

    Pedophile. He should hang at the gallows.

    In all seriousness though...I would hope that most Christians would side AGAINST Jeffs and denounce what amounts to religiously "justified" abuse of young children.

    This case is a perfect opportunity for Christians to demonstrate some moral outrage against what are immoral and abusive practices. As an atheist it boggles my mind that any "good" person could side with Jeffs.

    I hope the courts and jury see Jeffs for the monster he is and punish him appropriately.

    July 30, 2011 at 9:52 pm |
    • Colin

      Estevan – not sure I agree with you. First, I agree that any $exual contact by men in their 40s with teenage girls is unacceptable. Here's the rub, though. The reason he is being prosecuted is he is the leader of a cult. Lét's be honest. How many trailer park pedophiles get prosecuted in two states. I am very skeptical of the original police raid and the ferocity with which they are going after Jeffs – and the possible life sentence he faces.

      He is a nut who believes in a lot of delusional nonsense, but most mainstream Christians do. I cannot help but feel that a general animus toward his lifestyle is underwriting this case.

      July 30, 2011 at 10:05 pm |
    • bhigh

      No, no, he should not be executed. That would make him a martyr for all the deluded folk who still think he is God. Better to let him rot in jail with no contact with the outside world.

      July 30, 2011 at 10:28 pm |
    • Richard S Kaiser

      @Estevan

      The Laws of the U.S. Of America were Yes; written for its' people to not only abey, but to be honored. If one does not honor the laws of one's Land then; why have laws if they are not respected? So saith and so beith thus sayeth ME!!! 🙂

      July 30, 2011 at 10:33 pm |
  17. Painful Realities

    I find it difficult to believe that 10,000 people follow and obey this psycho-perv and his whacked-out totally-invented religion. But they do.

    Guys like Jeffs and Koresh and Jim Jones clearly show the kind of people who create religions. This is what Jesus and Mohammed were actually like.

    July 30, 2011 at 9:49 pm |
    • Real Deal

      Yes, Painful, these unbridled and overpowering fantasies seem to rot their brains.

      July 30, 2011 at 11:13 pm |
  18. Brian Bridson

    Just goes to show you how dangerous some of the people are. Even if this individual is powerless to do a bloody thing, he statements communicate his sentiments, and these are scary.

    July 30, 2011 at 9:45 pm |
  19. Joey

    In his defense, he's not any battier than Jesus or Moses were...

    July 30, 2011 at 9:44 pm |
    • Estevan

      Except that he's real and we have the power to deal with him...

      July 30, 2011 at 9:53 pm |
  20. LinCA

    I am very glad that I don't have to defend also being a christian.

    July 30, 2011 at 9:35 pm |
    • FaithScent

      He is no Christian. Mormons are not Christian, but he is not even a proper or average Mormon. Canada has a lot of weird problem such as kids killing their own parents with their boyfriends.

      July 31, 2011 at 7:00 am |
    • News Flash

      FaithScentHeavenSkunkAdelbrainedSmellyRodent
      Are YOU doing the Christian Test or do we sign up somewhere else for that ?

      July 31, 2011 at 12:52 pm |
    • Atheist b/c Truth is Better Than Fiction

      FaithScent you said "Mormons are not Christian"

      the following is taken from http://www.mormon.org and clearly disagrees with you
      Gordon B. Hinckley, prior President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (1995-2008), said:

      “We are Christians in a very real sense and that is coming to be more and more widely recognized. Once upon a time people everywhere said we are not Christians. They have come to recognize that we are, and that we have a very vital and dynamic religion based on the teachings of Jesus Christ. We, of course, accept Jesus Christ as our Leader, our King, our Savior...the dominant figure in the history of the world, the only perfect Man who ever walked the earth, the living Son of the living God. He is our Savior and our Redeemer through whose atoning sacrifice has come the opportunity of eternal life. Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints pray and worship in the name of Jesus Christ. He is the center of our faith and the head of our Church. The Book of Mormon is Another Testament of Jesus Christ and witnesses of His divinity, His life, and His Atonement.”

      btw: as for your comment about Canadian kids killing their own parents...are you claiming that no other country has this happen? there are numerous cases worldwide where this happens. know your facts before speaking

      July 31, 2011 at 4:54 pm |
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