August 3rd, 2011
07:50 PM ET

Air Force: Bible and nukes don't mix

By, Barbara Starr and Jennifer Rizzo, CNN

Washington (CNN)–The Air Force has suspended an ethics briefing for new missile launch officers after concerns were raised about the briefing's heavy focus on religion.

The briefing, taught for nearly 20 years by military chaplains at Vandenberg Air Force Base in California, is intended to train Air Force personnel to consider the ethics and morality of launching nuclear weapons - the ultimate doomsday machine.

Many of the slides in the 43 page presentation use a Christian justification for war, displaying pictures of saints like Saint Augustine and using biblical references.

"Abraham organized an Army to rescue Lot," one slide read, referring to the story of the Hebrew patriarch and his nephew found in the book of Genesis.

"Revelation 19:11 Jesus Christ is the mighty warrior," another slide read.

The Air Force halted the class last week after 31 missile launch officers reported the religious nature of the briefing to the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, a watchdog group which tries to ensure religious freedom among the troops.

"There were several things that they found disgusting," Mikey Weinstein founder of the foundation said. "The first was the fact that there is actually a slide that makes it clear that they're trying to teach that, under fundamentalist Christian doctrine, war is a good thing."

Weinstein said his group had to act.

"We were literally blown away by what we saw on the slide presentation. And one of the first things I did was to contact some of the most senior leadership for the Air Force in the Pentagon and made it very clear that this has to stop immediately," Weinstein said.

The Air Force said headquarters officials were not aware of the religious component of the ethics course, despite it being taught for nearly two decades by chaplains.  The matter came to their attention they said when they received an inquiry by Truthout.org, an online publication which initially reported the story.

Here is a link to the story and associated slides CNN obtained from Truthout.org.

"That is when we became aware of concerns about the course and our commander here reviewed the course and decided immediately that it was not appropriate for what we want to do and suspended using that briefing," David Smith, an Air Education Training Command spokesman said.

The briefing was meant to mimic an academic setting where concerns could be voiced, according to Smith who claims chaplains were used to oversee the briefing for that reason.

"A chaplain is not required to take action if concerns are voiced," Smith said.

A review is underway at the base to see if an ethics briefing is needed at all.

"Ethics discussions are an important part of professional military development and it is especially important for our airmen who are training to work with nuclear weapons because they have to make hard decisions," Smith said.  "We are looking to see if we need a briefing like this... but it will not be a religion based briefing."

- CNN Belief Blog

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  1. Rainer Braendlein

    "Byzantium and the Early Islamic Conquests" is a book, written by Prof. Dr. Walter Kaegi (University of Chicago)

    Kaegi tries to solve the brain-teaser: When Muhammad's army in Arabia became strong, emperor Heraclius did not make sufficient efforts, to face the Muslim threat. What was the reason for that?

    Introduction: Muhammad and the emperor Heraclius were contemporaries. Muhammad was about to establish the Islam in Arabia (today Saudi-Arabia), which did not belong to the Eastern Roman Empire (Byzantium), but was located at the south-eastern edge of Byzantium.

    Byzantium was a Christian empire (Heraclius even participated in Church councils). Palastine, Syria and Egypt belonged to Byzantium for a long time and the population was Christian. Up to 634 Byzantine Palastine and Syria were Christian countries!

    At the time of Muhammad and Heraclius there were to superpowers on earth: Byzantium and Persia. Between Byzantium and Persia was continual war. Finally Byzantium won the last decesive war in 628 a. D.. By that war Byzantium got quite exhausted.

    Muhammad started to preach and to kill around 613 a. D..

    622 Muhammad started a civil war in Arabia, which finally led to his rule over nearly the whole Arabia in 631.

    Heraclius had become emperor in 610. That means in the year 631 he knew of Muhammad for perhaps 9 years (since 622 when Muhammad started civil war).

    According to Kaegi, the Bishop of Jerusalem Sophronius said 634 that the Arabs came "unexpected" (637 the Arabs finally captured Jerusalem after a long siege).

    Being aware of the weakness of Byzantium and the acute threat by Muslim-Arabs, why didn't Heraclius warn the citizens of Syria and Palestine against the Muslims?

    Hypothesis: Heraclius and his generals were in a situation similar to our today situation:

    Someone, who has now exact knowledge of the Islam or Koran, could think: "Oh, that's just a harmless theistic faith. Isn't it similar to Christianity? They even acknowledge Jesus as prophet."

    It is really possible that Heraclius and his generals totally underestimated the Muslim threat. Maybe they recognized, Muahmmad built up a strong army in Arabia, but they could not imagine to be assaulted by a folk, believing in God.

    Conclusion: It is high time for us to understand, what the Islam really is. Islam is not harmless theism, but pure anti-Christianity. Muhammad had a clear will to exterminate Jews and Christians. In Muhammad's eyes Abraham was the first faithful Muslim and Jews and Christians are Muslims, having turned apostate. Muhammad wanted to lead back the mankind to the genuine belief of Abraham, which was the Islam in Muhammad's eyes. This, we must understand.

    Islam wants to rule the world. That is its clear aim.

    By the way, there are some suras, telling Muslims must keep treaties. Of course, that is a mean trick of Muhammad. Naive readers of the Koran shall get the impression that Muslims are promise-keepers or faithful people like Christians. Maybe Muhammd had concluded a peace treaty with Heraclius and Heraclius thus feared no danger and did not inform his people about any Muslim threat. That was a mistake.

    Let us recognize that the whole Umma (Islamic community) is a criminal gang just using the Koran for refurbishing its image.
    The Umma is a big wolf in sheep's clothing. Believe me, they are just evil warriors!

    Islamic warfare: Gain confidence of the naive Christians, then beheading them. Gaining confidence again, beheading again. Finally the whole world will be Muslim.

    If a Muslim army would assault a Christian country, it should rain nukes on the Muslim army! Satanic hosts must be exterminated.

    August 5, 2011 at 11:06 am |
    • SOFSoldier

      Couple of observations:
      1. You have too much time on your hands
      2. Put yourt money where your mouth is; pick up a rifle and serve downrange instead of blithering in internet forums

      August 5, 2011 at 11:23 am |
    • Peace2All


      " If a Muslim army would assault a Christian country, it should rain nukes on the Muslim army! (Satanic) hosts must be exterminated. "

      Ahh... Didn't we have this discussion yesterday about your call for "Holy War" and that Christians should "Nuke Muslims (Satan hosts) with ..."Devotion"...? 😯 ! W T F ?!?!?!?

      And then you tried to clean it up with oh, @Peace... hey, I was just saying it's a purely "defensive" thing. Please -Rainer... save this nonsense you are spouting.

      And what makes you think that overall, you Christians don't want to dominate the world with 'your' ideologies, BTW...?

      Come on -Rainer, I know that you know better. You might want to just stop and give the just "Holy War" doctrine a rest.



      August 5, 2011 at 11:24 am |
    • The Lionly Lamb of God Does Roar

      In the adolesent men of Muslim fundamnetalism lays their wickedrous negamocities and likewise in Chrstendom, even in the opposite s-ex is this world held hostage. Faith upon wealthy Globalists with a keen understanding of historical doctrines is a "key" to overcoming the warring fractions being religiously devoted to one religious sect or the other for the sole purposes of religiously created war and/or world domination by forceful measures for religious sakes.

      August 5, 2011 at 11:40 am |
    • Muneef

      Are we being called Satanic? Then what do you call that...Anti Satanic?
      The US-Al Qaeda Alliance: Bosnia, Kosovo and Now Libya. Washington’s On-Going Collusion with Terrorists
      Posted on02 August 2011.


      French Fraud Behind Libya War Drive
      Fake ‘intellectual’ with delusions of grandeur: Bernard Henri-Lévy
      by Justin Raimondo, April 06, 2011


      August 6, 2011 at 5:57 pm |
  2. will7370

    The article said, "We are looking to see if we need a briefing like this... but it will not be a religion based briefing."
    Okay..............just what exactly DO you *anchor* such a briefing on? Upon which foundation do you make your case to act ethically? Only religion has the power to place absolutes in someone's mind. Everything else is relative and can be tossed aside in a moment's notice if you fall under pressure.

    August 5, 2011 at 10:26 am |
    • PeterVN

      Considering that various religions and factions within religions have different "absolutes", how will you pick which religion?

      Furthermore, the so-called absolutes of various Christian sects have been revised over time. Religion cannot be a basis for morals, for that and more serious reasons.

      August 5, 2011 at 10:30 am |
    • tallulah13

      Do you have no basic morality? Intelligent, moral people don't need a supernatural babysitter to make considered choices.

      August 5, 2011 at 10:31 am |
    • Slight Problem With Your Theory

      Morality existed before religion. There are plenty of good reasons for acting morally, both positive and negative, that have nothing to do with religion.

      Some positive reasons: Humans naturally tend to not want to hurt others; Humans tend to feel good about helping others, and do so naturally during disasters, regardless of what religion the culture is (including secular); Cooperation has massive benefits for individuals and societies over theft.

      Some negative reasons: If you harm others, retaliation is very likely; nobody likes to live in a world of violence and threat; theft is only a one-time gain.

      Also, religions often behave very immorally from a humanistic point of view. And the morality of much of the Bible is absolutely horrific.

      August 5, 2011 at 10:35 am |
    • FreeThoughtCrime

      Absolutes? Stoning people to death for working on the wrong day of the week is a religious absolute. No, thanks. I don't want absolute morality. I prefer a morality that's thought out and considered by the people who will be bound by it. We,as a species, and as a society, have outgrown the religious absolutes of our forefathers. We have outgrown the primitive absolute morality of our ancient gods. I am more moral than any god I've ever heard of, certainly far more moral than the god of the Bible. And so are you.

      August 5, 2011 at 11:18 am |
    • Peace2All


      Well, everyone that has posted above me has basically taken a different slant in response to your nonsense.

      So, I'm curious to hear what you have to say in response...?



      August 5, 2011 at 11:27 am |
  3. Robert

    "War is an ugly thing...but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight...nothing he cares about more than his own personal safety...is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." (John Stuart Mill)

    August 5, 2011 at 10:13 am |
    • Slight Problem With Your Theory

      Nuking the world is not fighting for something. You cannot save the world by destroying it.

      August 5, 2011 at 10:28 am |
  4. Fabjan

    That's cool! They removed religion and prayer from public schools back in the 60s, and the moral conscience of our children plummeted. Crime and moral offenses in society skyrocketed thereafter. It's a statistical fact. Now they want to do the same to our officers who have their hands on the nuclear launch controls. That will make it so much easier for someone to snap and set something off in the future. Smart.

    August 5, 2011 at 10:11 am |
    • PeterVN

      Way to distort the facts. Although crime rose from 1960-1990, crime has been in decline in the US since 1990. Reference:

      During the same time period, the fraction of the population stating religion as "none" has climbed dramatically.
      Good discussion of this: http://www.daylightatheism.org/2011/02/fading-faith.html

      Smaller fraction of population that are Christians correlates with drop in crime.

      Regardless, religion is a poor basis for morality, and an invalid one. A reasoned standard is far better, and such a standard pre-dates Christianity by centuries.

      August 5, 2011 at 10:26 am |
  5. TruthMatters

    I hope the sleepy Americans are aware the dangers are real. This is what happens once a literate person stops serious studies and gets drugged with a lot of garbages. Why isn't Israel educating Americans? Or are their naive stupidity beyond anyone's teaching?

    August 5, 2011 at 5:19 am |
    • William Demuth

      Huh? Zionists teaching America?

      Ha HA HA HA ha!

      They exisist because we permit it, and ONLY because we permit it.

      August 5, 2011 at 9:08 am |
    • JustinaWouldNotKnowTruthIfItBitHerInTheAss

      Ignore TruthMatters. It's just crazy Justina/Frederica/Fairgarden under yet another absurd name.

      August 5, 2011 at 10:11 am |
    • William Demuth


      Yeah I dig. I just worry someone this nuts is wandering around loose.

      It is probably buggering kids in Jesus' name as we speak.

      August 5, 2011 at 10:16 am |
    • TruthMatters

      I had to change my names because of stupid stalkers like you. I throw ideas for you to think about. My feeling for USA is a mixed one as you can see. It's like watching a beautiful pure sister turned into a harlot... History is sad. But USA still have numerous good Christians, so there is a real hope.

      August 5, 2011 at 11:22 am |
  6. Patriot

    While the feminized America is wondering why war exists in the human world, other nations are sharpening themselves for dominance and dreaming about enslaving Americans. Wake up and stop being stupid, America, unless you are wiling to surrender your land and the sea. Lazy people lose everything all the time on this planet.

    August 5, 2011 at 5:14 am |
    • William Demuth


      Do you have more than one person in your head?

      You are about as consistent as a Nun with PMS!

      Do you even know what you want? I recognize you can't speak English well, but PLEASE try and make sure what you post has some small meaning or sense to it!

      August 5, 2011 at 9:22 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      Patriot, do not worry. Demuth is too busy calling people who are Middle Eastern "Camel Jockeys"

      August 5, 2011 at 9:29 am |
    • William Demuth

      Actually the common term on the Tattos available outside Benning is "Sand N1gger Killer"

      They also seem to like "Look Mom I stepped in some Sheite"

      Spelling changed for sensors

      August 5, 2011 at 9:38 am |
    • Patriot

      You guys really need some decency. Muslims just want some formidable, honorable enemies to fight against, not perverts like Americans.

      August 5, 2011 at 11:18 am |
  7. Dear US Air Force

    War cannot be a good thing, but it's inevitable with the present mankind till the End. Don't be naive. The liberals made you too ignorant on the human nature. Communism has fallen on the false premise of the "good" nature of humanity. The Bible is the most realistic, accurate book on human nature as well as on many other subjects. Denial of reality will weaken the military.

    August 5, 2011 at 5:10 am |
    • TrueBlue42

      The only valid statement you wrote was "Denial of reality will weaken the military." The reality is there is no "god"; continuing to pretend there is will only weaken the USAF and America.

      August 5, 2011 at 7:52 am |
    • Patriot

      America was victorious and liberated the whole world only because she trusted Jesus. Immoral nations cannot be mighty; you are only waiting for a downfall.

      August 5, 2011 at 11:15 am |
  8. Patriot

    Why does America battle? The world does not want to become a pervert like her.

    August 5, 2011 at 5:05 am |
    • William Demuth

      Because America hates YOU, and wants your stuff.

      Wanna bet we take it, just like everything else we want?

      August 5, 2011 at 9:14 am |
    • Nonimus

      @William Demuth,
      Clearly you do not speak for the US or Americans in general, if you are even American at all.
      As a matter of fact, I would guess that most Americans are embarra.ssed by your comments.

      August 5, 2011 at 9:53 am |
    • William Demuth


      This degenerate Christian calls your country a pervert and somehow I insult you?

      You are a sheep, and I am more American than you can concieve of!

      August 5, 2011 at 10:13 am |
    • Patriot

      I'm not American but I love USA more than all of you. I deserve the American citizenship because of my pure love for her. ^^

      August 5, 2011 at 11:13 am |
  9. Paula

    America has no reason to be dominant anymore since she sold herself to blasphemy, atheism, Sodomy and selfishness. The world does not need a filthy leader. I miss the day when you were a simple racist.

    August 5, 2011 at 5:03 am |
    • TrueBlue42


      August 5, 2011 at 7:50 am |
    • William Demuth

      Reason? We dominate because we CAN.

      Alas you can not.

      August 5, 2011 at 9:15 am |
  10. Paula

    America will lose every war unless she returns to the godly wisdom and ethics of the Bible. Communists fell. So will secular filthy America.

    August 5, 2011 at 5:01 am |
    • William Demuth

      Tell that to the Camel jockeys we stomped.

      I believe we killed around 500,000 and loss less than 10,000.

      Based on those percentages we can kill every non American 14 times over.

      August 5, 2011 at 9:16 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      >>>"Tell that to the Camel jockeys we stomped."

      Wow dude, racist and radical militant Atheist. Impressive combination.

      August 5, 2011 at 9:27 am |
    • William Demuth

      Mark from Middle River

      I come from a long line of Militants. Problem is most of them were Christian!

      August 5, 2011 at 9:40 am |
  11. Beth

    Being a nuclear missile launch officer must be a very tough job requiring nerves of carbon steel, knowing fully well that you are about to massacre millions of innocent men, women and children if the order to launch arrives. You are also about to condemn the survivors to a life of hell on a devastated and radioactive planet. And why must it come to this ? Because the politicians failed. The art of brinkmanship resulted instead to the destruction of the planet. Will the launch officer push that red button or will he choke at that crucial moment.

    In my opinion the purpose of the ethics briefing, which has a healthy dose of religious self righteousness, is to instill into the minds of the launch officers the divinity of their mission, more than to teach ethics or morality. That they are mighty warriors and pushing that red button is obedience to the will of God, and that they should not hesitate to do so.

    August 5, 2011 at 3:05 am |
    • TrueBlue42

      Nuking others is the will of your "god"? I feel a great swell of pity for you, Beth.

      August 5, 2011 at 7:55 am |
    • William Demuth

      Beth is hearing those voices again!

      Is it Jesus, or Elvis that talking to you this week?

      August 5, 2011 at 9:11 am |
    • Beth is a Deludanoid

      The divinity of killing millions of people? I just love gems of Christian logic like that. That's exactly why they need to get religion out of this training.

      August 5, 2011 at 10:15 am |
    • HotAirAce

      To All Above

      I think you should re-read what Beth wrote. I think she is commenting on why someone believed the briefings were necessary and why religion was used to influence launch control officers. If you step back from a hasty reaction, you might see that she is suggesting, perhaps implicitly, that religion is being used, yet again, to coerce people into taking action they might not normally.

      August 5, 2011 at 11:00 am |
    • Beth


      You hit the nail squarely on the head.

      August 6, 2011 at 4:53 am |
  12. blueangel0313

    I still think we should ship all the athiest to Afganistan. Should work out for everyone. 🙂

    August 5, 2011 at 1:28 am |
    • Peace2All

      Why do you think that "we should ship all athiests (sic) to Afghanistan...? And why do you think that would work out for everyone...?


      August 5, 2011 at 1:40 am |
    • TrueBlue42

      Don't try. This is one Atheist who knows how to defend himself. Think your "god" would help you deport me? Think again.

      August 5, 2011 at 7:54 am |
    • herbert juarez

      Lets suppose that there are 100 USAF personnel sitting at their nuclear control panels, a southern guy comes into the room and hollers "lunch" 50 go to get something to eat, the other 50? Oops good-bye Afganistan!

      August 5, 2011 at 8:28 am |
    • William Demuth


      We tolerate Afghanistan because Christian AND Muslims are dying.

      What better way to end an infection than to make the infected slaughter each other.

      August 5, 2011 at 9:13 am |
    • herbert juarez

      any chance of getting demuth to Afganistan before lunch?

      August 5, 2011 at 9:15 am |
    • William Demuth


      Christians go to Afghanistan. Muslims Go as well

      Then they kill each other.

      I stay here and sleep with the Christian women left behind.

      August 5, 2011 at 9:18 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      I do not know, Demuth thinks that there are Christians militants battling in Afghanistan.

      August 5, 2011 at 9:22 am |
    • herbert juarez

      because sleeping and posting bs on cnn are about all you'll ever be able to do.

      August 5, 2011 at 9:22 am |
    • William Demuth

      Mark from Middle River

      Yes Mark the are called the 82nd airborne, and I have seen it with my own eyes.

      August 5, 2011 at 9:25 am |
    • William Demuth

      Mark, below is from the Soutern Poverty Center

      Twenty years ago this spring, the Southern Poverty Law Center wrote a letter to Caspar Weinberger, then the U.S. secretary of defense, to report that active-duty Marines at Camp Lejeune, N.C., were participating in paramilitary Ku Klux Klan activities and even stealing military weaponry for Klan use. Weinberger reacted with force, issuing a directive saying "active participation" in "white supremacy, neo-Nazi and other such groups" was "utterly incompatible with military service."

      Ten years later, the random murder of a black couple outside Fort Bragg, N.C., by neo-Nazi skinheads in the 82nd Airborne Division sparked another round of soul-searching by military authorities. After congressional hearings were held and an Army task force reported on the problem, Defense Secretary William Perry amended regulations to make clear there was "no room" for extremists in the military.

      But today the nightmare is back. Facing intense pressure to meet manpower goals in Iraq and Afghanistan, some commanders and recruiters have relaxed the standards that Weinberger and Perry sought to impose. As reported in a remarkable cover story by David Holthouse, many neo-Nazis have served or are serving in Iraq. Hundreds anonymously proclaim their ideology in racist online venues. At a single base, Fort Lewis, Wash., 320 soldiers are involved in extremist activity, according to a Defense Department investigator - but just two of them have been discharged.

      How serious is the problem? According to the Defense Department investigator and others who spoke to the Intelligence Report, there are "thousands" of soldiers in the Army alone who are involved in extremist or gang activity. If that sounds high, it's worth remembering that a 1996 study found that 0.52% of soldiers interviewed by military officials admitted to being members of a neo-Nazi or white supremacist group - a far higher percentage than in the general population.

      August 5, 2011 at 9:27 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      LOL.... Wow, dude do you even read what you are writing.

      You jumped back 20 years.... then you say ten years later … but then you say “today the nightmare is back”.... but you give a 1996 report....which is over ten years ago.....

      You consider the nightmare at 0.52% claim to be racist.

      You do realize that .52% is less than 1% of one of the largest military on the planet....

      I will say that Gang affiliation, Nation of Islam and a host of others are serving as well.

      Also the 82nd airborne …. no Muslims or Jews in that outfit.

      Wow, you are really off your meds today.

      l'chaim 🙂

      August 5, 2011 at 9:38 am |
    • William Demuth


      I can only attest to that which I have seen, and I ssaw those developments myself, personaly. Nazi flags flying on crucifixes.

      I assure White Christian Extremist continue to infest our military. McVeigh was one of MANY.

      Just wander STORMFRONT for a while and then try to deny the problem.

      August 5, 2011 at 9:47 am |
  13. is that so

    QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ @I Am God: Bet you don't know, and I forgoten where it is, but there is a text in the Bible that says that Satan is the god of this world, unless you are Satan and the one who is causing all the trouble in this world. Satan is the one to blame all the wars, hate, sickness, disease, murder, calamities and anything else that is evil and hurtfull to the human race, and everything else. It is not the God of Heaven that is responable for the bad things in this world.. What makes you think that if God is was of the picture that this world will be any better? Do atheiist believe that only good people will be left in the world? I'm not saying that all atheists are evil; there are many moral and good people who are atheist, but all people that are wicked are godless; they may not be atheist, but they may just as well be, and they will still be here. I believe only about 5% of those who call themselves Christians will go to Heaven.

    August 5, 2011 at 1:01 am |
  14. mack

    Go Rick Perry....ever so relevant! Really, Christians? This is your guy.....the (adult) stem cell using guy (because they are just as helpful as those pesky embryonic ones) that's tied to groups who preach bigotry and hate? Nice position. Explain, please......we're absolutely all ears.

    August 5, 2011 at 12:35 am |
  15. mack

    This is purely disgusting.

    August 5, 2011 at 12:31 am |
  16. Reality

    What the Air Force should have noted before the class began:

    1. origin: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20E1EFE35540C7A8CDDAA0894DA404482 (NY Times)

    “New Torah For Modern Minds

    Abraham, the Jewish patriarch, probably never existed. Nor did Moses. The entire Exodus story as recounted in the Bible probably never occurred. The same is true of the tumbling of the walls of Jericho. And David, far from being the fearless king who built Jerusalem into a mighty capital, was more likely a provincial leader whose reputation was later magnified to provide a rallying point for a fledgling nation.

    Such startling propositions – the product of findings by archaeologists digging in Israel and its environs over the last 25 years – have gained wide acceptance among non-Orthodox rabbis. But there has been no attempt to disseminate these ideas or to discuss them with the laity – until now.

    The United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism, which represents the 1.5 million Conservative Jews in the United States, has just issued a new Torah and commentary, the first for Conservatives in more than 60 years. Called "Etz Hayim" ("Tree of Life" in Hebrew), it offers an interpretation that incorporates the latest findings from archaeology, philology, anthropology and the study of ancient cultures. To the editors who worked on the book, it represents one of the boldest efforts ever to introduce into the religious mainstream a view of the Bible as a human rather than divine docu-ment. “

    2. Jesus was an illiterate Jewish peasant/carpenter/simple preacher man who suffered from hallucinations (or “mythicizing” from P, M, M, L and J) and who has been characterized anywhere from the Messiah from Nazareth to a mythical character from mythical Nazareth to a ma-mzer from Nazareth (Professor Bruce Chilton, in his book Rabbi Jesus). An-alyses of Jesus’ life by many contemporary NT scholars (e.g. Professors Ludemann, Crossan, Borg and Fredriksen, ) via the NT and related doc-uments have concluded that only about 30% of Jesus' sayings and ways noted in the NT were authentic. The rest being embellishments (e.g. miracles)/hallucinations made/had by the NT authors to impress various Christian, Jewish and Pagan sects.

    The 30% of the NT that is "authentic Jesus" like everything in life was borrowed/plagiarized and/or improved from those who came before. In Jesus' case, it was the ways and sayings of the Babylonians, Greeks, Persians, Egyptians, Hitt-ites, Canaanites, OT, John the Baptizer and possibly the ways and sayings of traveling Greek Cynics.


    For added "pizzazz", Catholic theologians divided god the singularity into three persons and invented atonement as an added guilt trip for the "pew people" to go along with this trinity of overseers. By doing so, they made god the padre into god the "filicider".

    Current RCC problems:

    Pedophiliac priests, an all-male, mostly white hierarchy, atonement theology and original sin!!!!

    3., Luther, Calvin, Joe Smith, Henry VIII, Wesley, Roger Williams, the Great “Babs” et al, founders of Christian-based religions or combination religions also suffered from the belief in/hallucinations of "pretty wingie thingie" visits and "prophecies" for profits analogous to the myths of Catholicism (resurrections, apparitions, ascensions and immacu-late co-nceptions).

    Current problems:
    Adulterous preachers, pedophiliac clerics, "propheteering/ profiteering" evangelicals and atonement theology,

    3. Mohammed was an illiterate, womanizing, lust and greed-driven, warmongering, hallucinating Arab, who also had embellishing/hallucinating/plagiarizing scribal biographers who not only added "angels" and flying chariots to the koran but also a militaristic agenda to support the plundering and looting of the lands of non-believers.

    This agenda continues as shown by the ma-ssacre in Mumbai, the as-sas-sinations of Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh, the conduct of the seven Muslim doctors in the UK, the 9/11 terrorists, the 24/7 Sunni suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the 24/7 Shiite suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the Islamic bombers of the trains in the UK and Spain, the Bali crazies, the Kenya crazies, the Pakistani “koranics”, the Palestine suicide bombers/rocketeers, the Lebanese nutcases, the Taliban nut jobs, the Ft. Hood follower of the koran, and the Filipino “koranics”.

    And who funds this muck and stench of terror? The warmongering, Islamic, Shiite terror and torture theocracy of Iran aka the Third Axis of Evil and also the Sunni "Wannabees" of Saudi Arabia.

    Current crises:

    The Sunni-Shiite blood feud and the warmongering, womanizing (11 wives), hallucinating founder.

    5. Hinduism (from an online Hindu site) – "Hinduism cannot be described as an organized religion. It is not founded by any individual. Hinduism is God centered and therefore one can call Hinduism as founded by God, because the answer to the question ‘Who is behind the eternal principles and who makes them work?’ will have to be ‘Cosmic power, Divine power, God’."

    The caste/laborer system, reincarnation and cow worship/reverence are problems when saying a fair and rational God founded Hinduism."

    Current crises:

    The caste system and cow worship/reverence.

    6. Buddhism- "Buddhism began in India about 500 years before the birth of Christ. The people living at that time had become disillusioned with certain beliefs of Hinduism including the caste system, which had grown extremely complex. The number of outcasts (those who did not belong to any particular caste) was continuing to grow."

    "However, in Buddhism, like so many other religions, fanciful stories arose concerning events in the life of the founder, Siddhartha Gautama (fifth century B.C.):"

    Archaeological discoveries have proved, beyond a doubt, his historical character, but apart from the legends we know very little about the circu-mstances of his life. e.g. Buddha by one legend was supposedly talking when he came out of his mother's womb.

    Bottom line: There are many good ways of living but be aware of the hallucinations, embellishments, lies, and myths surrounding the founders and foundations of said rules of life.

    Then, apply the Five F rule: "First Find the Flaws, then Fix the Foundations". And finally there will be peace and religious awareness in the world!!!!!

    August 5, 2011 at 12:01 am |
    • Beth

      A very accurate description of the state of religion. Now that we have identified the flaws how then do we go about fixing the foundations ?

      August 5, 2011 at 2:07 am |
    • Reality


      By not supporting those who promulgate the flaws and falacies of these religions.

      To wit:

      Recognizing the flaws, follies and frauds in the foundations of Islam, Judaism and Christianity, the "bowers", kneelers" and "pew peasants" are converging these religions into some simple rules of life. No koran, bible, clerics, nuns, monks, imams, evangelicals, ayatollahs, rabbis, professors of religion or priests needed or desired.

      Ditto for houses of "worthless worship" aka mosques, churches, basilicas, cathedrals, temples and synagogues.

      August 5, 2011 at 7:25 am |
  17. Stephen Black

    Um... Can I buy some pot from you?

    August 4, 2011 at 11:22 pm |
  18. WEBSPY

    please I don't know what doesn't mix more,,, This buddy said to me you believe in the 4 hours men and revelation,,,I said no,,,he said well I was then I was not,,,I looked around as I was coming to and I was on the church steps but the moon looked BLOOD RED and I thought omg and I became desperate in my thought, and before I saw as I cried my wife our daughter, my family were laying in pieces,,, my eyes watched embers fly sky ward and I thought I have read revelations many times and if it don't mean now when? so now I know some people have already gone threw their Armageddon

    August 4, 2011 at 10:25 pm |
  19. KAScofield

    "were not aware of the religious component of the ethics course, despite it being taught for nearly two decades by chaplains"

    Uh huh. Riiiiiight. Government should have the sense and self-initiated accountability to hire people trained in ethics outside the realm of what amounted to religionism (the idea that religion provides a lens for all inquiry rather than be one sector that can inform decisions) - if there is government training, it should be done by well informed government trainers.

    Now, if someone wants to talk to a chaplain of their choice (of their choice!) about how it impacts them spiritually, they can. (We don't want a double whammy of creedism and religionism in government!)

    August 4, 2011 at 10:17 pm |
    • WEBSPY

      Mamma said, lift your head from the sieve of your hands.
      Mamma said eventually this hurting will end.
      But the shockwaves on my bones will linger,
      Like the ghost of you here in my bed.

      When I was lost you thought me a beautiful find.
      Sometimes I think of you sleeping, so sleep for a while.
      I find myself asking who'd do this to love,
      And the white-shouldered mountains they pointed above.

      Lord you just dropped me here by the side of this road.
      Out here's too cold and I don't want to walk it alone.
      I've got a bottle of your blood inside me,
      And on old beggar's prayer on the tip of my tongue.

      Mamma said, lift your head from the sieve of your hands.
      Mamma said that eventually this hurting will end...

      By Emiliana Torrini, old beggar's prayer.

      August 4, 2011 at 10:29 pm |
  20. Ramiro K

    I believe they can clone the deceased Bubba Smith and place a Bubba Smith in command of all missile bases! Second in command is the one that makes funny noises with his mouth!! Launch the missles!! or Commander Bubba Smith will break your skull like a peanut shell and the funny noise man makes a red alert siren noise lol!

    August 4, 2011 at 10:11 pm |
    • Mark from Middle River

      Hmm... So not Tackleberry?

      August 4, 2011 at 10:52 pm |
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