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August 11th, 2011
05:24 PM ET
My take: Rioting raises religious concern
By Andrew Watson, Special to CNN Birmingham, England (CNN) - I spent most of yesterday in Winson Green, Birmingham, following the deaths of three young British men in the early hours of the morning. I visited the small mosque where two of the men (brothers aged 32 and 30) had been regular worshippers, and where both their uncle and older brother were in a state of profound shock and grief. I then attended a gathering hastily convened by the local member of parliament - taking place in a room above a local supermarket – followed by a much larger public meeting with the police later in the day. About 150 people crammed into the community hall for the police meeting, with twice as many gathered outside. Feelings were understandably running very high, with the grief and anger of the community expressed in equal measure. There were voices calling for retaliation, but these were increasingly drowned out by other voices (both old and younger) urging restraint. Read the full story here. |
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Editor's Note: Andrew Watson is the Bishop of Aston in the Diocese of Birmingham, UK. He was formerly a vicar in London, and is a musician, author and father of four.
Sobhan-Allah.
Wouldn't the investment in those African immigrated countries to create jobs and a better status of living for their people would have contributed to stopping such suicidal migration through deserts and rough seas ?
Rather than holding them,returning them or drowning them if not allowing them to drown...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00n6x4f
The Mercy of Allah in Regard to Forgiveness
Quote;
"O son of Adam, as long as you call upon Me and put your hope in Me, I have forgiven you for what you have done and I do not mind. O son of Adam, if your sins were to reach the clouds of the sky and then you would seek My forgiveness, I would forgive you. O son of Adam, if you were to come to Me with sins that are close to filling the earth and then you would meet Me without ascribing any partners with Me, I would certainly bring to you forgiveness close to filling it."
There was a sect called Khawaarij, who worshipped Allah only in fear and held the belief that anyone who commits major sins was a disbeliever and would be thrown into the Hellfire forever. This is a gross extremism and straying from the correct path.
Yet, another sect, which emerged within the first century of Islam, had no fear and believed that sins did not affect ones faith and that as long as one believed and testified in Islam, he would enter Paradise regardless of his actions. Both of these extremes lead to a dangerous consequence.
Unquote;
Guess you have those same in your faiths "Christians"....
http://quranicverse99.tripod.com/islamicways/id4.html
How to solve or Worlds Economic woes.
The problem with all our world economic problems was the collapse of the housing market brought on by corrupt banks swindling their customers.
This can never be solved by governments pouring Taxes to prop up these Banks.
What we need is a stimulus to the housing market and I would do this in two ways.
First give tax incentives to builders and make land available from government land for redevelopment.
Secondly; we need mortgages which guarantee the buyer that in the event of a collapse in his house price, the difference will be paid upon sale of that property to the buyer from an insurance company. A new type of insurance of protected mortgage also the availability of work protected mortgages.
This can be government protected like the Banks are government protected and I would make these mortgages available throughout all the banks.
Any costs involved could be paid for by selling off all social housing.
This scheme will within five years have the economies of the entire world growing again.
It will also bring confidence back to the financial markets.
It is possible to build eco friendly houses for around 50,000 and if government land is freed up for this, we can look forward to prosperity for everyone.
Because every ones homes will start inflating and not just bank profits
Peter Baxter
Sobhan-Allah.
Some countries such as Somalia are not finding essential foods to eat and survive the Famine and Drought while others pouring Fruits and Vegetables on the streets as if unwanted or unneeded Rubbish rather than thanking GOD for his Blessings of their Prosperity;
Angry French farmers raid Spanish fruit trucks
12/08 13:34 CET
Furious French farmers have attacked Spanish fruit and vegetable deliveries as effects of the E.coli crisis continue to bite.
http://www.euronews.net/2011/08/12/angry-french-farmers-raid-spanish-fruit-trucks/
Sobhan-Allah..
They ask;
What is the only animal that can't look up at the sky?
Or ask; Why pigs can't look up in the sky?
Wow no wonder it is d-i-sliked by all heavenly religions..! No wonder that upon Jesus resurrection it is told that the first thing he will do will be the killing of all Pigs...!
Guess out of all Human's and Jinn's Beings who are of that kind not looking up to the skies of heavens will be facing a very heavy torment here and there...!
But never they learn,taking it for a fairy tales and a joke, no recognition of the signs that are loud and clear...!
Peace.
1- What is the Wisdom of Islam?
Islam is a very simple Religion. Islam simply means submitting yourself in peace to the Absolute One and Living GOD:
"Say: He is God, the One and Only; God, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him. (The Noble Quran, 112:1-4)"
"Then Praise be to Allah, Lord of the heavens and Lord of the earth- Lord and Cherisher of all the worlds! To Him be Glory throughout the heavens and the earth: and He is Exalted in Power, Full of Wisdom!. (The Noble Quran, 45:36-37)"
"Say: 'O People of the Book (i.e., Jews and Christians)! Come to common terms as between us and you: That we worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with Him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than Allah.' If then they turn back, say ye: 'Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to Allah's Will).' (The Noble Quran, 3:64)"
The GOD of Islam is the GOD of everything He created. There is no middle man between the Creation and the Creator; "It was We Who Created man, and We know what dark suggestions his soul makes to him: for We are nearer to him than (his) jugular vein. (The Noble Quran, 50:16)"
"When My servants ask thee concerning Me, I am indeed close (to them): I listen to the prayer of every suppliant when he calleth on Me: Let them also, with a will, Listen to My call, and believe in Me: That they may walk in the right way. (The Noble Quran, 2:186)"
http://www.answering-christianity.com/islam.htm
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Everything from good and bad that happens to us is determined by Allah Almighty:
Sometimes a Muslim wonders and says to him/herself: "How come I am a devoted Servant to Allah Almighty, I do everything that pleased Him, I do all of the things that He commands me, and I still suffer in life?"
These are fair questions. It is important for every Muslim to know that Allah Almighty determines everything for us for a Wisdom and reasons only Him the Almighty knows:
"Say: 'Nothing will happen to us except what God has decreed for us: He is our protector': and on God let the Believers put their trust. (The Noble Quran, 9:51)"
"Say: 'I have no power Over any harm or profit To myself except as Allah Willeth. To every People Is a term appointed: When their term is reached, Not an hour can they cause Delay, nor (an hour) can they Advance (it in anticipation).' (The Noble Quran, 10:49)"
http://www.answering-christianity.com/everything_from_allah.htm
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Scientific facts about day of resurrection
In this research we are going to make a scientific analysis for many events in day of resurrection to prove that the Qur'an doesn’t contradict with science and the scientific realities …
http://www.kaheel7.com/eng/index.php/unseen-miracles/405-scientific-facts-about-day-of-resurrection
Found very interesting...
I recommend Muslims and Non Muslims to read;
The first words of the Quran to Mankind was is to Read,
Read It Please – It will not even take 2 mins.. it is your life.. it is you;
A clever person is the one who will question his existence, for we are not here to just enjoy. He searches for answers and then finally he does what is better for him in the future. This world is the testing for the hereafter. Where we have to permanently stay. Our deeds & sins will come before us.
Kindly open link;
http://islamworld.webs.com/islamthestoryoflife.htm
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Evidence from the English translation of Luke 6:40 that further prove that the word 'Muslim' was used by Jesus:
Let us look at Luke 6:40 from my N.I.V. Bible "A student is not above his teacher, but everyone who is fully trained will be like his teacher."
Luke 6:40 (KJV)
40 The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.
Luke 6:40 (Darby)
40 The disciple is not above his teacher, but every one that is perfected shall be as his teacher.
Luke 6:40 (Young's Literal Translation)
40 A disciple is not above his teacher, but every one perfected shall be as his teacher.
Luke 6:40 (21st Century King James Version)
40 The disciple is not above his master, but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.
Luke 6:40 (American Standard Version)
40 The disciple is not above his teacher: but every one when he is perfected shall be as his teacher.
The perfection here means a spiritual one. What the verse is saying is that knowledge is not what matters! The teacher or master is higher in knowledge than his student. But the student can be as high as his teacher, or even higher, by being a true 'MUSHLAM' or Muslim, a spiritually perfect and well-disciplined person!
http://www.answering-christianity.com/islam.htm
It used to be that if you are willing to put in a full day of work you could support a family and have a few bucks left over for some leisure. Now, people are working two, sometimes three jobs, and it's still not enough. Meanwhile, hedge fund managers pay 15% tax while, with FICA, working people pay closer to 35%.
Banks won't even cut a break to people who lost their homes due to rioters and are expecting people burned out of their homes to keep paying their mortgage, yet those same bankers expected the government to bail them out when they got in trouble.
The social order only works if people feel they have a chance. When I was growing up, business leaders made four or five times what their average worker made. Now they get hundreds or thousands of times more money, and only give the plum jobs to those on the inside.
Revenge is in a way a justice; the reason we valued it the most for the longest time everywhere, until Jesus taught us to admit we are sinful and to love and forgive our fellow offensive humans and showed us God's love on the Cross. We civilized people no longer take joy in revenge but judicial justice is carried out whether ot not victims personally forgive the criminals.
Desire for revenge is a primitive trait of the human species. Primitive should be capitalized. We will become a more advance society when we can keep these primitive and counterproductive urges at bay. Think what could happen in the middle east if the Palestinians and Israelis could overcome these primitive urges.
Rob a bank and you get 10 years The Bank robs you and they get a seven figure pension.
Factors that contribute to rioting are population size, the breakdown of respect for social order, poverty, the lack of opportunities for personal advancement and Debt.
Today the people that led the world into debt by their corrupt practises within the Banking, Insurance, and Financial sector have been reappointed by President Obama to head his financial team. No one has been brought to justice for the debt all the world is now paying and rioting about.
All the banks had AAA status just before they collapsed from Standard and Poor the same people who have just downgraded USA economy?
University Professors who advised the governments were working without declaring their paid interest for these corrupt banks etc. just before the crash.
If you check the facts you will find a transfer of wealth from the poorest to the top one percent and these crooks are still running all our economies.
This was achieved by getting companies like standard and poor to give false assessments of bad debt which was then sold to our pension funds as triple A.
Whilst ever these crooks go unpunished and are rewarded by huge golden handshakes and top government jobs, riots will get worse.
We all have a remedy it is our vote and a free press.
Make sure you give your vote wisely and all the politicians who supported crooked bankers, insurance companies, are swept from power.
To the press it is time to expose these crooks. Name and Shame
Muslims tackle looters and bigots
British Muslims' reaction to the riots should dispel any continued demonisation in the media.
Robert Lambert Last Modified: 12 Aug 2011 12:02
"When accused of terrorism we are Muslims, when killed by looters, we become Asian", a Muslim student explained to me. He was commenting on the media reportingof the death of three young Muslims in Birmingham on Tuesday night. Like many other Muslims, they were bravely defending shops and communities as rioters went on a violent rampage of looting.
http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/08/201181210928899563.html#.TkcVYYleq1E.hotmail
10 Things overheard in Michelle Bachmann's Evangelical Christian Church
1. Jesus loves you, but I think you're an A& &hole
2. Pass the plate, I have to go out and feed the meter
3. Does Pastor Clevus know there's hole in the back of his frock?
4. Thank God I put Beano on that donut this morning.
5. My God, it's full of stars
6. If wanted to stand up and sit down every 30 seconds, I'd have gone to a Catholic church
7. I'm not wearing any underwear
8. Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus...sure, put me in for a dozen, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus...
9. I can't understand a word you said Martha, stop speaking in tongues
10. Wow, that was the best church &ex I ever had
Allah Bless American!! Islam will rule USA, Australia, French, england before 2015.
He can't even manage to rule those crazy countries that already give their loyalty to him, how do you expect he will rule others. Who is this Alan guy anyway?
Well well a Fake Muneef Again and only Reality would have found him out....
Honestly I care no more or less who is going to rule who...in the end all we want to feel and see is piece among all living among each other with out any discrimination after all GOD is our creator and lord whether we are believers or not only GOD is to judge and no one else...!!
Kindly to the fake Muneef if you liked the name and want to keep then please add 1one to it so no one confuse your statements with mine unless you intended that...?!
Muneef, keep deluding yourself into believing that. I and 99.99% of the US population would never, ever want to be a dirty, smelly Muslim that cant even wear deoderant. So keep trying to destroy Israel its a much smaller target because you will NEVER rule this country
Rob.
Haha...my GOD what are you saying....? Can't wear deodorant ? Who said that? Smelly? Strange really since our religion Islam informs about being pleasant smelling and dressing....
We have Muslims who you will smell what we call "Odahh" some sort of sandal wood from which perfume oils are extracted used as perfume or be used as perfume smoke to smoke rooms and house.... Can't imagine whom do you call Muslims smelly Muslims...? Those must be poor Muslims who can not afford to live in that way while living in crowded groups...!
Another thing about smelly is that depending on the foods the consume....say some would smell of Herbs&Sp-i-ces that they consume within their foods in addition to garlics,onions...some do smell like a sp-I-ce shops but that is not conditionally Muslims but rather say Asians whom foods is of the richest in such "Herbs&Hotsp-I-ces".
Rob.
Muslims throughout the world have extremely high standards of personal hygiene, because Islam places great emphasis on both physical and spiritual, cleanliness and purification. While humankind in general usually considers cleanliness to be a pleasing attribute, Islam insists on it. Muslims are required to take care of their personal hygiene by assuring that they are well groomed, and that their bodies, clothing, and surroundings are clean. Prophet Muhammad, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him, informed his companions and thus all of us, about the importance of cleanliness when he said, “cleanliness is half of faith.”[1] The Quran is more specific and says,
“Truly, God loves those who turn unto Him in repentance and loves those who purify themselves.” (Quran 2:222)
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/2149/
http://www.onislam.net/english/reading-islam/my-journey-to-islam/contemporary-stories/453397-american-professor-converts-to-islam.html
US Professor of Comparative Religion Finds Islam
James Frankel's Journey to Islam..
Rob.
Jayalalitha, who goes by one name, demanded an apology from Chao in a letter to the US Consulate's Consul General Jennifer McIntyre.
"This remark which smacks of racism is highly condemnable. You will agree that this remark of the vice-consul is an affront to all Tamils," Jayalalitha said.
The Communist Party of India demanded the withdrawal of Chao for her "racist" comments and asked the government to lodge a "strong protest" with the United States.
"The remarks show the racist nature of the official even during Barack Obama's presidency. This cannot be tolerated," party national secretary D. Raja said.
http://www.emirates247.com/news/world/us-diplomat-s-dirty-like-tamilians-comment-sparks-indian-racism-row-2011-08-14-1.413002
WRONG!
BG wrote me on Saturday, August 13, 2011 at 12:43 pm, and did qoute me "Although I am aware that many folks are unversed with the multi-duplicitous natures of otherly words of pleasantries’’ wittiness, it is their own faults that such people cannot fathom such wordiness that I so do establish and relish with my writings."
BG then wrote, “Thanks for the abstruse rant. Whoever you're responding to is right. Your use of run-on sentences, misused and non-words and archaic syntax is annoying. Come out of the 18th century. No one could stand that belabored, self-important prose even then. And get a dictionary for pete's sake. Maybe even a thesaurus. And hey, how about that little brown grammar and composition handbook sitting on your bookshelf? Please read it.”
I earlier did respond to your above posting and felt somewhat belittled at the time of despondences and did write in an apologetic style, but you wanna know something BG? I’ll be damned if I am going to let the likes of your rather blatant comments bring me down to your levels of Dumb-them-Down accolades! Yes, sometimes my thought progressives do become long-winded and yes I have typos! If you can’t get thru my ’abstruse and/or’ hard for you to understand fundaments, then well , what am I to do with your hignessed’ness fortuities, kiss your butt and gussy up?
So gangs of British and immigrant layabouts on lifelong welfare are attacking tax-paying shopkeepers of Middle Eastern descent. Britain is seriously overdue for a re-examination of its welfare laws and a crackdown on criminals housed and supported by the state. And I trust the trials that follow the riots will result in a wave of deportation of immigrant lager louts and ingrates.
EvolvedDNA did post to me on Saturday, August 13, 2011 at 10:09 am Stating, “ Lonely Lion etc.. reading your posts sounds like you were educated at some religious school where they made up words along with the myths they taught you...All we want is evidence of your god you claim as your own.... which one are you subscribing to ...but your bombastic rantings have little substance and most certainly no evidence. The idea of language is so that human beings can communicate with one another.”
Oh inwardly bemusing evolvedDNA, your gestations of written bemusement does bare away your agelessness. My being ‘educated’ is by proxy only; thank you very much though for your religious tenacities regarding the schooling of myself.
Your so stating, “...All we want is evidence of your god you claim as your own.…” is in a falsity of self-declaration that you speak for the “all”, and is a pernicious revelation on your part evolvedDNA for one like yourself ought not speak as if you’re everyone for many would see you as a despotic person who wants to speak for everyone regardless of other’s beliefs.
I have no ‘one god’ evolver, for I do so believe in all the Gods and Goddesses of Old Times even though I only know a little bit about them. What I do ’believe-in’ is that the Supreme Ruler over all the Gods and Goddesses and is matter of factuality; the King of All the Gods and Goddesses our Lord and Savior, Christ Jesus who ’was-of’ but one of the very 1st of the Gods born when in the very beginning moment of Time being the only immortal, was made manifest by GOD, the Bigger than all the Gods by GOD! What do these words mean, you might ask me?
One needs much meditation and Time spent to ovulate one's ideals and premonitions to master in the wavelengths that the “brainairial” yard of matted grayish material does so reckon me to sometimes visualize and sometimes not. Your statement declaring, “The idea of language is so that human beings can communicate with one another.” is of relativity's truthfulness’ regards oh evolvedDNA. I am though, somewhat amused in your wordage use in this statement. Communication, whether it be spoken or be it written, the latter does carry the most weightiness and is the hardest to master in clearness concerns. :May the God and/or Goddess that lives inside you give rise upon and to your suppositions and release you from the torments of otherly folk that look down upon your spoken and/or written Word.”
(Copied from another Blog posting)
LLTDR...communication is some thing you have to master and understanding the question put to you... you do not have proof do you ? you are just as much in the dark as the rest of your religious cohorts. if you are an example of what happens to a mind when subjected to scripture,, you will understand why I do not believe. There are programs on the net where you can put in a few key words and then it will generate random gibberish to sound like it means something.. similar to your postings... are you using one?
@EvolvedDNA
You said "There are programs on the net where you can put in a few key words and then it will generate random gibberish to sound like it means something."
Cool. I could use one. Do you know one you can recommend?
Prolixity: the art of using a thesaurus to cover the absence of coherent thought.
LinCa look up Postmodern Generator.. there are some interesting articles, and also a good debate regarding the type of gibberish put forward by pseudoscience and religion on Richard Dawkins site..key in Postmodern and it should come up...they were articles from 2007/2008.
@EvolvedDNA
Thanks.
Iceman did respond to one of my posts on, Saturday, August 13, 2011 at 8:19 am, stating thusly, “You tend to speak above people not to them. Please, come down off your horse. I'm melting at your words.
Here is a challenge for you: can you come up with an idea, and not just windy cheeky words to route this present world situation, or come up with a plan to do so, and then put it in operation? True, you can continue to use your high sounding vocabulary but such wording will not change the planet Earth, it will not change the economic condition of this place, nor will it cure the sick., etc, etc, etc. What I offer you is the real solution, in simple English. And please get back with me when you do find that solution, because I'm melting at your words.”
I am not “speaking” for I am writing my Word oh "melting" One. Your portrayal of me, “to speak above people” is your rendition and not mine! Although I am aware that many folks are unversed with the multi-duplicitous natures of otherly words of pleasantries’’ wittiness, it is their own faults that such people cannot fathom such wordiness that I so do establish and relish with my writings. I did quite some time ago own a ¾ horse named “Blacky” and for Christ’s sake he was highly spirited and no one else could ride him like I could! Many did try but in vain none could stay on him for long.
Your stating to me saying, “Here is a challenge for you: can you come up with an idea, and not just windy cheeky words to route this present world situation, or come up with a plan to do so, and then put it in operation?”
I oh subtle-worded Iceman, I am not GOD, nor a God or even a manly god! I can no more find a solution to save this world’s dire straits it has now found itself in and I sense that nobody will ever find a final cure. Tis so sad that future generations of children here in the United States of America will bare the brunt of its’ recently forefathered National Debt upon their shoulders. So sad. So sad.
I could tell you that everyone who is rich and very wealthy to give most of what they have to those most in need of basic necessities, but are there not but only a few, so very few now are doing? Should not our Nation stop with the continuations of military bases around much of this world and become as a retreatist country wherewith otherly countries and nations would see such an Act as being a recluse action” What purpose would such a Act of de-aggression have upon the world stage?
Christendom has a long history trail with which our Nation was founded upon. Its’ base-root fathers of the 16th century onward to just before our country fought for its’ Independence from Britsh Rule in 1776 was amassed with people who did flee from the tyranny of European secularized despotisms’ ruling majorities regarding religious and political systems that were deemed and most likely were too strictly rationed and were bleeding the masses of the peasantries dry and discouraged.
We, of the 21st Century are now face to face with our own individualized and centrist minded venues regarding secularism and atheism and religiosities. These 3 legalisms once were and always will forever be part and parcel in the humanities of brotherhoods and sisterhoods as we here in the United States of America have become somewhat wholey familiar with. It is up to the forces of the Globalists who in trying manifestations to relieve the yolk of Libertarianism from slipping off its’ peoples’ girded necklines that will either make or break the despotisms in secularisms and/or atheisms of those who rule by fear and deceptionisms. "May we by the graces of the Gods and Goddesses who live inside us ever be grascious with our pleas of forgiveness and foresakenness."
(Taken from another Blog posting)
@ Roaring Godly Lamb Lion whatever...
"Although I am aware that many folks are unversed with the multi-duplicitous natures of otherly words of pleasantries’’ wittiness, it is their own faults that such people cannot fathom such wordiness that I so do establish and relish with my writings."
Thanks for the abstruse rant. Whoever you're responding to is right. Your use of run-on sentences, misused and non-words and archaic syntax is annoying. Come out of the 18th century. No one could stand that belabored, self-important prose even then. And get a dictionary for pete's sake. Maybe even a thesaurus. And hey, how about that little brown grammar and composition handbook sitting on your bookshelf? Please read it.
YOUR ALL IDIOTS
@ BG
You forgot one word of the sentence you did quote me on,,,,,,,,,,, "Although I am aware that many folks are unversed with the multi-duplicitous natures of otherly words of pleasantries' wittiness,"
Such short-takes rantings like yours against mine are the cat's meow and I find pleasant wittiness as being a plus plus plus in cutting the drudgeries of life here where I am living but a rather vreclusive style of living only going out to get needful things and once a month doctor visits along with once a week pool league nights out. I have a 23 year history trail regarding my mentally challenging disorder that was once called as being "Paranoid Schizophrenia" but has been markedly spun out to now be a "Schizzo Effective Personality Disorder". My barinyards grey matter has for the most part given me more clarity of envisionments and/or scattered revelations regarding issues of conern and sometimes awkward disdaiments where one minute I am in agreeement with otherly folks and as time progresses I become opposed to that which I did think as being righteous. If you BG would try a little harder to fathom my perspectives of rudimentary thought progessives I would be ever so ingrained to your wantonness to be fair minded. (I do take my meds very religiously BG) 🙂
@ BG,,,, "So SORRY BG You did have your quite on my words right after all! 🙂
@ BG et all,,,,,,,,
I just got my prescription glasses the other day and am having truoble adjusting. I am also a 2 finger typist and these damned glasses are a load of crap getting use to!
You remind me of an old friend that I used talk with on these blogs. I knew he wasn't quite right, but he never had the courage to admit it.
Congrats, Dude.