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Study: More educated tend to be more religious, by some measures
August 11th, 2011
11:06 AM ET

Study: More educated tend to be more religious, by some measures

By Jim Kavanagh, CNN

People tend to become less religious as they become more educated, right? Not necessarily, according to a new study.

After analyzing data from a large national survey, University of Nebraska-Lincoln sociologist Philip Schwadel found that people actually tend to become more religious - by some definitions, at least - as they further their education.

“It all falls down to what you consider to be religious,” said Schwadel, an assistant professor at the University of Nebraska-Lincoln. “If it’s simply attending religious services, then no. Highly educated people are not less religious; in fact, they’re more religious.”

“But if it’s saying the Bible is the literal word of God and saying that only one religion is the true religion, then they are less religious,” he continued.

Schwadel used data from the highly regarded General Social Survey, a cumulative and nationally representative survey conducted by the National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago biannually since 1972.

Social scientists rely heavily on the “gold standard” General Social Survey, which provides cumulative data collected regularly between 1972 and 2010.

His study will be published in an upcoming edition of the journal Review of Religious Research.

Schwadel found that with each additional year of education:

- The likelihood of attending religious services increased 15%.

- The likelihood of reading the Bible at least occasionally increased by 9%.

- The likelihood of switching to a mainline Protestant denomination - Episcopal, Lutheran, Presbyterian USA or United Methodist - increased by 13%.

Respondents to the General Social Survey were asked whether they believe in God without any doubts; with various levels of doubt; whether they have a different concept of God or a higher power; or whether they didn’t believe in any such thing, Schwadel said.

“With more years of education, you aren’t relatively more likely to say, ‘I don’t believe in God,’” he said. “But you are relatively more likely to say, ‘I believe in a higher power.’”

The findings makes sense to D. Michael Lindsay, president of Gordon College in Massachusetts and author of “Faith in the Halls of Power,” about the growing evangelical Christian elite.

“The more educated a person is in their faith, the more cosmopolitan they are in their religious outlook,” he said. “They’re worldly in the very best sense of the term. They rub shoulders with people of different kinds of faiths every day and as a result they have different visions of what it means to express your faith in the public square.”

“They’re more open-minded, but here’s the thing: They’re no less faithful.”

But a leading voice for atheists says the study’s finding about education increasing certain measures of religiosity may be less straightforward than it appears.

“There are plenty of people who go to church who are not believers,” said Ed Buckner, former president of the group American Atheists. “They go for all sorts of reasons. I don’t mean that they’re all frauds and deceptive, (but) they go for social reasons or (because) that’s what’s expected of them by their families or their peers. Sometimes they go so they can sell more insurance.”

“But there are a lot of atheists in the pews, or at least people who are not committed to and probably haven’t even thought about and examined carefully the religious views that are being expressed in that church.”

The finding that highly educated people gravitated toward mainline Christian denominations suggested class dynamics at work, Buckner argued.

As people become more educated, he said, they move into the middle and upper middle class. “And as they do so,” he said, ”they move into more establishment situations regarding the society, which means they join the churches that are the churches of the elite, or at least of the middle class.”

But Schwadel said respondents were discussing their actual beliefs, not just churchgoing habits.

“What it all says to me is that religion matters to people of all education levels in the United States,” he said. “It’s just that, depending on your level of education, you behave and believe differently.”

So why the widespread perception that intellectuals are less religious, even largely irreligious?

Academics are at least moderately less religious than the general public, Schwadel said.

“When we see these trends, we tend to exaggerate them,” he said. “Most people see a trend and they think everyone’s like that.”

Lindsay thinks there’s more to it than that.

“There has been a concentrated effort by a cohort of very smart people who treat religion as the panacea for the simple-minded,” he said.

Bucker disputes that.

“Do we think that anybody who doesn’t agree with us is an idiot or a fool? Well, some of us do think that,” he said of atheists. “But I don’t think it’s systematically true of everybody in the movement.

“… I mean, I do think they’re wrong. Anybody who believes that there is a sky god out there who is going to do anything good or evil for us, basically anyone who thinks the universe cares about us, is making a mistake,” he continued. “In the words of Richard Dawkins, they’ve been deluded.”

But some people’s religious beliefs are “deeply held and carefully considered,” Buckner said. “And I also realize that some atheists’ lack of religious beliefs are pretty superficial and they haven’t thought things through.

“I have a lot more respect for a religious person who has really considered this, thought it through, read some books that disagree with their point of view and still accepts that position than I do for somebody who just unthinkingly rejects any particular point of view.”

Lindsay said the study could help break down some of society’s religious barriers.

“It’s a problem of perceptions because it fuels the idea that there’s some kind of deeply entrenched culture war where smart people are opposed to religious people, when in fact it’s far more complicated than that,” he said. “And in fact, the old divisions between deeply religious and irreligious probably don’t apply.”

- CNN Belief Blog

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  1. Faith

    Christians are not just smarter, they are better-looking and better-dressed, too!

    August 12, 2011 at 12:57 am |
    • yep

      Just uglier and more hypocritical on the inside.

      August 12, 2011 at 1:36 am |
    • Free

      And far more humble, of course! 😉

      August 12, 2011 at 1:01 pm |
    • Yeah

      Yeah, that's because they walk by the homeless without helping them.

      August 12, 2011 at 1:13 pm |
  2. Kate

    Great. Another bogus study to report about.

    August 12, 2011 at 12:36 am |
  3. MOWMOW

    Jesus decreases productivity

    August 12, 2011 at 12:28 am |
  4. Reality

    Part 4, Christian Economics 101:

    The Baptizer drew crowds and charged for the "dunking". The historical Jesus saw a good thing and continued dunking and preaching the good word but added "healing" as an added charge to include free room and board. Sure was better than being a poor peasant but he got a bit too zealous and they nailed him to a tree. But still no greed there.

    Paul picked up the money scent on the road to Damascus. He added some letters and a prophecy of the imminent second coming for a fee for salvation and "Gentilized" the good word to the "big buck" world. i.e. Paul was the first media evangelist!!!

    And he and the other Apostles forgot to pay their Roman taxes and the legendary actions by the Romans made them martyrs for future greed. Paul was guilty of minor greed?

    Along comes Constantine. He saw the growing rich Christian community and recognized a new tax base so he set them "free". Major greed on his part!!

    The Holy Roman "Empirers"/Popes/Kings/Queens/Evangelists et al continued the money grab selling access to JC and heaven resulting in some of today's richest organizations on the globe i.e. the Christian churches (including the Mormon Church) and related aristocracies. Obvious greed!!!

    An added note: As per R.B. Stewart in his introduction to the recent book, The Resurrection of Jesus, Crossan and Wright in Dialogue,

    "Reimarus (1774-1778) posits that Jesus became sidetracked by embracing a political position, sought to force God's hand and that he died alone deserted by his disciples. What began as a call for repentance ended up as a misguided attempt to usher in the earthly political kingdom of God. After Jesus' failure and death, his disciples stole his body and declared his resurrection in order to maintain their financial security and ensure themselves some standing."

    Some of Paul's money gathering activities some of which resulted in buying the Gentile entry into the then mostly Jewish version of Christianity:

    "Paul claimed almost total independence from the "mother church" in Jerusalem.[12] and yet was eager and diligent to bring material support from the various budding Gentile churches that he planted to the mother church at Jerusalem.

    When a famine occurred in Judea, around 45–46,[24] Paul and Barnabas journeyed to Jerusalem to deliver financial support from the Antioch community.[25] According to Acts, Antioch had become an alternative center for Christians following the dispersion of the believers after the death of Stephen. It was in Antioch that the followers of Jesus were first called "Christians."[Ac. 11:26]. This act basically "greased" the entry of non-circu-mcised Gentiles into Christianity."

    "Paul collected the money from his four provinces, Galatia, Macedonia, Achaia and Asia but, for obvious reasons, of propriety, had representatives take each province's own contribution".

    August 12, 2011 at 12:28 am |
    • MOWMOW

      you can shove that scripture up your @$$

      August 12, 2011 at 12:31 am |
  5. Joe Somebody

    I find it quite ironic how many of the geniuses that have given us so much knowledge became atheists yet this article makes a connection to educated people being religious.

    August 12, 2011 at 12:28 am |
  6. cyberCMDR

    Religion provides its adherents with an alternate reality to live in, where objective data is dismissed if it contradicts with their beliefs and anything (suicide bombing, gay bashing, restricting what science can teach in schools) is permissible if "it is God's will". Religion isn't the opiate of the masses, it is their hallucinogen.

    August 12, 2011 at 12:13 am |
    • Peace2All

      Well said.

      Peace...

      August 12, 2011 at 1:39 am |
    • fred

      Please point me to 1 verse where Jesus said or inferred anything close to the negative insulting things you just said? Where do you find gay bashing, where do you find suicide bombing, where do you find tho shalt not teach science in school?

      August 12, 2011 at 2:17 am |
    • fred

      Peace2All,
      What do you mean well said? Help me out here did I not get what cyberCMDR just said? Do you think he said people tend to abuse religion for their own gain.............................Ok that is true...... but that is not what he actually said.

      August 12, 2011 at 2:23 am |
    • Spiffy

      fred if you really do not understand what was being said maybe you should try tune up your reading comprehension skills.

      August 12, 2011 at 2:35 am |
    • Peace2All

      @Fred

      Hi -Fred...

      You Said to @cyberCMDR: " Please point me to 1 verse where Jesus said or inferred anything close to the negative insulting things you just said? Where do you find gay bashing, where do you find suicide bombing, where do you find tho shalt not teach science in school? "

      This is my basic 'read' or 'take' on what @cyberCMDR was saying. If you notice first word of his first sentence he said 'Religion.'
      With this said, anything in the Qur'an, Bible, etc... if it is deemed as 'what God wants' or 'It's God's will' etc... then many actions/behaviors then become 'justification' for the person that has taken those actions.

      I noticed that you 'extremely narrowed' the discussion to Jesus, whereas @cyberCMDR was discussing 'Religion.' So, for example, keeping on topic with what -cyber used as reference, i.e... Religion, we can now pick from a variety of things that 'some' people who do use their religious texts to commit crimes and atrocities in their Deity's name.

      You used 'gay bashing' as an example: There are several verses in the Bible that talk about 'abominations' etc, right... Not a big leap for some to use the 'word of God' in the Bible to justify there bigotry of gays and deny them 'equal' rights and liberties. Heck, some religions actually try to legislate morality by trying to 'restrict' (we talked about this earlier in the other thread, yes...?) their freedoms. They are 'not' harming anyone. This is a 'real world' undeniable example.

      Virtually all of the arguments I have read and heard of over the years is 'because' the Bible(being the word of God) suggests that God doesn't like same s-e-x anything.

      Same thing with the 'suicide bombings.' Obviously, way more so with the Muslim's. Certain passages in the Qur'an are interpreted to be the will of Allah, and are used as justifications to 'bomb' other people. And, yes... the Christians have had their fair share of as well over the years... and centuries.

      As far as 'teaching creationism' well, that is obviously coming from the Bible... and the Bible is the word of God, ergo... 'creationism' must be real, so many school systems are either attempting, or already have put into place to teach 'creationism/ID' as an actual 'science' when in reality, none of that has been deemed as science. Certainly, it belongs in a world religions class, literature class, etc...

      Well, it's getting late... but the bottom-line here is that these things 'do' happen in society by the 'believers' as they deem it to be God's 'will' or God's 'wishes' as their holy books including, yes... the Bible, Qur'an, etc... says so.

      Regards,

      Peace...

      August 12, 2011 at 2:44 am |
    • fred

      Peace2All,
      Thanks, I did narrow it down to Jesus as that was the final word and real time projection of who God is in a way man could understand. Have a good evening !

      August 12, 2011 at 3:07 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      Gay Bashing in the Bible...right here: Leviticus 20:13 clearly states "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

      August 12, 2011 at 7:22 am |
    • fred

      TruthPrevails,
      The reason I limited the response to "what did Jesus say" was to focus on Christian bashing. In addition if we go into the history of the chosen ones and look at the passage you refer then we need to get into the Levitical priests to unravel what these priests were up to in 1445 – 1405 BC. Remember the Bible is a story of God redeeming a people for Himself through the ages. In that process God reveals Himself to us in a way man in that time is capable of understanding. When Christ was born the Old Testament stops and the new begins. In Christ we see the clearest revelation of God to date . Now not just the chosen ones of Israel but every living person that desires to see and hear what "God" has to say can do so.

      So, exactly what did Jesus have to say about Leviticus 20:13 ? To gay bashing Christians he wrote in the sand a personal comment for each of the gay bashers revealing the sin in their heart as reflected in their actions past and present. To the ho mo $exual Jesus said nothing specific and never addressed that particular physical act. God is not going to get into the stealing vs. adultery debate and the like. That is a side trip and a deception which detracts from the main issue which is your relationship with God. If you cannot get that foundation straight there is no sense debating. You wish to argue calculus but have not taken algebra 101. By the same token sin is an act against God and if you do not understand / know God it becomes meaningless. In that case (i.e. don't know God) Jesus says follow the law of your society.

      August 12, 2011 at 11:41 am |
  7. Free

    Not everyone who is highly educated is highly educated in either the sciences or religious studies. A doctorate holder in economics, literature, or business administration, for example, mightn't have taken more that the required basic science courses, and have no interest whatsoever in religious studies, or religion for that matter beyond what he gets out of weekly service. Many atheists have a very keen interest in all religions.

    August 11, 2011 at 11:55 pm |
  8. Fr33th1nk3r

    I think this study missed the mark completely– it isn't about the education levels, it is about getting older. As people's health becomes increasingly infirm and they start to perceive their own mortality, they begin to embrace religion.

    August 11, 2011 at 11:55 pm |
  9. JA

    "There is nothing frightening about an eternal dreamless sleep. Surely it is better than eternal torment in Hell and eternal boredom in Heaven."
    — Isaac Asimov

    Religion comes down to people wanting to live forever, even if it's not within their corporeal bodies, because they are terrified of the idea of ceasing to exist. The idea of heaven (and hell) is a way to accomplish this. I mean, really, if the idea of heaven and hell didn't exist, would you still worship God?

    August 11, 2011 at 11:27 pm |
  10. The Lionly Lamb of The Gods Does Roar

    @ Green1955 and Luke and all others regarding the Shroud of Turin,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    (Taken from the folowing site) http://www.shroudstory.com/

    Starting in 2003, new evidence began to appear in secular, peer-reviewed, scientific journals that supported the Shroud of Turin's authenticity. From these journals we learn that the outermost fibers of the cloth are coated with a layer of starch fractions and various saccharides. In places, the coating has turned into a caramel-like substance, thus forming the images. This suggests a chemical reaction took place. We learn, also, of a faint second image of the face on the backside of the cloth. The second face supports the idea of a chemical reaction and adds more proof that the image is not a work of art or a photograph. And in 2005, we learned that the carbon 14 dating was flawed. In fact we learned that the cloth could very well be 2000 years old.

    August 11, 2011 at 11:26 pm |
    • Colin

      Total BS. The shroud was painted in about 1450. Your willingness to accept its authenticity based on the mose self-serving of evidence tells me you are likely one of a million half-witted boring god-nuts to roll of the conveyer belt of intellectual lower- middle class mediocrity.

      Any "fact" that supports your Bronze Age sky-god is accepted with blind willingness, but anything that points in the opposite direction is rejected unless and until you have no choice.

      August 11, 2011 at 11:34 pm |
    • The Lionly Lamb of The Gods Does Roar

      @ Colin alone,,,,,,"What a hard-nosed individual you Colin are proclaiming BS this and BS that! DMAF and stop your insolence behaviorism unbecoming a person of wisdom.

      August 11, 2011 at 11:41 pm |
    • *frank*

      They found Noah's Ark in the Amazon jungle!

      August 11, 2011 at 11:52 pm |
    • *frank*

      The natives are using it as a rustic nightclub.

      August 11, 2011 at 11:56 pm |
  11. The Lionly Lamb of The Gods Does Roar

    evolvedDNA wrote me on, Thirsday, August 11, 2011 at 10:35 pm, stating, "lonely lamb ... what are you trying to say.... not sure the last part of your comments make sense... are you indicating that Alberta E was religious.....? that is not correct of course..."

    "The bigotry of the nonbeliever is for me nearly as funny as the bigotry of the believer".— Albert Einstein

    BTW evolving DNA, I am not lonely, I live with a younger brother whom I do take care of and I have become enthralled with the many people who posts their insights here in CNN's Belief Blog.

    August 11, 2011 at 11:12 pm |
    • Colin

      Come on man, please research facts before stating them. Here, let me fill you in. Here are some Einstein quotes on religion.

      In point of fact, Einstein was a complete atheist. I know he admired Spinoza and brandied the word “god” around as a metaphor for the numinous, but he certainly did not believe in the notions of life after death or a god that in any way worried itself with human beings. Indeed, he referred to this as “the god of the naïve man.”

      For example, in his 1954 letter to the Physicist Eric Gutkind, Einstein wrote,

      "The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this."

      By the way, whether this gifted man believed or not is quite beside the point of whether there is a god, but I get frustrated when people wrongly attribute a belief in [always their] god to him. Here are some more quotes.

      "It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."

      "I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a will of the kind that we experience in ourselves. Neither can I nor would I want to conceive of an individual that survives his physical death; let feeble souls, from fear or absurd egoism, cherish such thoughts. I am satisfied with the mystery of the eternity of life and with the awareness and a glimpse of the marvelous structure of the existing world, together with the devoted striving to comprehend a portion, be it ever so tiny, of the Reason that manifests itself in nature."

      "It seems to me that the idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I cannot take seriously. I also cannot imagine some will or goal outside the human sphere.... Science has been charged with undermining morality, but the charge is unjust. A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death."

      "I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own – a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body

      August 11, 2011 at 11:18 pm |
    • herbert juarez

      @colin
      E=MC2 energy= MASS X velocity 2, religion and science DO mix!
      ps blew away your 7 points on' jeffs gets life sentence'

      August 12, 2011 at 9:13 pm |
  12. Green1955

    Luke: There are mutiple conflicting time periods that the Shroud is believed to have been created. Carbon dating alone has its inherent flaws and accuracy problems...which is compounded by the fire of the Shroud which resulted in increased carbon and impuritiy content of the fibers. So to say with certainty that the Shroud was created in the Medieval time period is inaccurate. The image of the Shroud has been scientifically proven to not be a human based upon the anatomical head and limb ratios. The image was painted and many of its features match the features on other Da Vinci paintings.
    As for Newton...you are looking at wikipedia too much. Yes he was religious ( unitarian) which is essentially a cult and in Newtows case had an egocentric twist to it in that" he " was a divine instrument of God placed upon the earth for mankind.
    I would consider that a form of schizophrenia and yep some of the most intelligent people have psychiatric disorders.
    As for your friends you listed....I don't believe it. Already am familar with Spitzer's views as well as Schroeders ( also Ph.D Theology and AP). Read them both but find them both personally biased towards creationism without accounting all the scientific facts.

    August 11, 2011 at 11:08 pm |
  13. Jean

    I wonder how many of those attending church are there because they truly want to be there, and how many are there because they fear ending up in the fiery pit for all of eternity if they don't? I just wonder how many people have really thought about heaven and what they expect to find and do when they get there. Is it the anticipation of heaven or fear of h*ll that gets most "believers" into church?

    August 11, 2011 at 10:39 pm |
    • J.W

      You dont have to go to church to be a Christian. People enjoy it.

      August 11, 2011 at 10:48 pm |
  14. Blahblah

    This is a bizarre article to me. In almost all world religions, there aren't shades of religion. It's either you believe or you don't. Anyone on the fence falls in the category of non-believers per each religions text. Soooo if more educated people tend to aim at religion in a more general sense "A higher power" versus I believe that X is the creator of all and there is no others then this would imply that the more educated you get the less religious or more likely you are to fall into the non-believer category. This article assumes there can be various level of believer and that fundamentally incorrect for the majority of religions. Going to a church service fairly regularly and reading the bible once in a while doesn't make a person christian, it just makes the person enjoy the church service and interested in reading stories.

    August 11, 2011 at 10:32 pm |
    • noname

      I don't think you are familiar with the majority of religions. Buddhists certainly don't think that way. As for denominations of Christianity, I was raised in the Episcopal church and was taught that faith is fluid and not black and white. Only fundamentalist sects or religions view religion so starkly.

      August 11, 2011 at 10:54 pm |
    • The Lionly Lamb of The Gods Does Roar

      The "Crux" of Monotheists Blahblah is that GOD made everything which I find as so being a falsification brought about by too many History orientative Gods and Goddesses and a selfish group of individuals wanted to put an end to all the bickering about whose God is greater or whose God is stronger! GOD, In my most humble perspectives may well have either been spoken into existence and then manifested otherly replicancies of itslef, being but 'as' smalller versions of GOD with powers of GOD hence they were Gods by GOD! In a less humorous way, 'In the Beginning' there was Nothingness and said Nothingness fell in on itself and thusly 'manifested' into being, the Gods. (Bear with me) The leadorialships of the many Gods was a questioning melodrama which did play out in differential divisionings wherefrom came 2 distinctively variable Ideologies. One Ideosyncracy of 1 ideology of Gods thought greatness in size was what mattered but the other ideology regarding the 2nd cluster of Gods viewed size as being irrelevant in as this 1st ideology of the Gods did grow in immensities, while the 2nd set of Gods became so very small in comparison to the enlargements of the Gods that viewed "bigger size" as being the most important value so to say. Hence, The Tree of "Fractal Cosmology" became the normality of the Constant Equation; x around X = X above x or Bigger Gods became the playing fields for the smaller Gods. In today's ongoing debates in scientific reletavisms "Fractal Cosmology" or FC, is a somewhat new perspective and not too many folks are up to speed on what such a philosophy does engender. Basically "FC" entails basically that what can be seen on the 'outside' is also upon the 'inside' materially speaking that is. Another view of this does entail that outer space things such a stellar nebulas have co-dependent smaller versions of themselves, these Sub-atomized stellar-like nebulas being within the confines of inner space,

      It is within these 2 dimensions of particle physics, 1 being of greater size and the 2nd being of smaller sizes wherefrom all life did spring up from the inductions surmounted via the smaller of the two dimensions of GOD, one being great in sizes and the Gods so very small stature. Ponder my words and please do not say to me I am stating meaningless dribble because I have thought for quite some time, (years actually) the relevencies of which does consume my days and most of my nights.

      As for the case of religious clairvoyencies and/or the subdiffusion of multiple religions, they are all nothing more than humanities' ongoing debauchals of debate-abilities wherein and whereupon stands mankind's Privities of Subjectives in ongoing rapports for one's undeniable needs in wanton freindships thru the ages.

      August 12, 2011 at 10:15 am |
  15. J.W

    If you atheists want the intelligence that us Christians have you will just have to break down and ask God for it.

    August 11, 2011 at 10:23 pm |
    • JC

      No thanks. I don't want the intelligence of Sarah Palin.

      August 11, 2011 at 10:49 pm |
    • The Lionly Lamb of The Gods Does Roar

      @ J.W. and all,

      Atheists and Religionists are from different branches and both are grafted into the Tree of Fractal Cosmology, a newfound scientific phenomenon wherein is The Truth, The Way and The Light!

      August 11, 2011 at 11:04 pm |
  16. strongbelief2

    hey GB – go to google and type in Zeitun, Egypt, Coptic Church, 1968 . This can definitely strengthen your faith!!!

    August 11, 2011 at 10:22 pm |
  17. Green1955

    Lion of Lamb wrote: Does the name “Albert Einstein” or “Leonardo DaVinci” or “Isaac Newton” ring any bells? Your being a “self-professed” Psychological Master declaring in solemness there are “underlying” stigmatas regarding the highly educated being religiously orientated is not only a stupefied analogy but is a baseless congruity of shamefulness. How about this “God Gene” that has come to light in the sciences of today’s scientific enlightenments?

    FYI Lamb chops: Einstein and DaVinci were not religious. Newton professed to religion only as a shield to protect against being burned at the stake. DaVinci is the one who created the Shroud of Turn which mocks religion and here is famous quote from Einstein: "I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own - a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotism." [Einstein]
    Snap out of your delusions lamp chops.

    August 11, 2011 at 10:19 pm |
    • Luke

      DaVinci created the Shroud? You do not know your history, even scientists who deny its authenticity admit it is a least Medieval, and thus, pre DiVinci. As For Newton, he wrote more theology than science, and was an avowed unitarian, against orthodox christian tirinitarianism.

      Besides, this report is quite correct. Many of my friends are are lawyers, PhD's, doctors and scientists, musicians, all of whom have a deep belief in God.

      Check out Fr. Spitzer's work, a priest whom the Physicists admire. He is Jesuit with a PhD in astrophysics.

      http://www.magisreasonfaith.org/

      August 11, 2011 at 10:31 pm |
    • The Lionly Lamb of The Gods Does Roar

      @ Green1955,

      FYI Greenbean salad, your Word has presumed you of being Guilty of unsubstaintiated declarations unbecoming a person's integrities. "May the Lord and King of all the Gods, Christ Jesus, find your faith becoming of your Word and may the Holy Spirit that dwells in all things considered as Life guide your Sullenness the needed means for you to weigh your tonal Word of words."

      August 11, 2011 at 10:57 pm |
  18. Iceman

    @Guillaume
    you said: "we can safely assume the rate at which things get better thanks to science is exponential.

    "The rate at which things have gotten better"? Riots in England, Hunger in Somalia, Economic down turn in America? Things have gotten better through Science? Brother, you live in a fantasy world. Science will never solve these problems. Wait, you think Science is the new messiah? Say it isn't so.... =)

    August 11, 2011 at 10:18 pm |
    • Free

      Has religion done a better job of addressing these issues?

      August 11, 2011 at 11:37 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Actually, science could certainly improve the American economy. Instead of decreasing the funding for education, it would be beneficial to increase it, especially in scientific fields. This would make Americans more compet.itive with the rest of the industrialized world. It would also end the need of high-tech companies to import qualified workers. More jobs for the middle class means more tax revenue, which leads to more construction to repair our failing infrastructure, which means more jobs.

      An improved American economy could help stabilize the world's economy, increasing jobs and making people less inclined to turn to violence out of poverty. A better world economy could lead to more charitable donations, and more financial pressure on the criminal element in Somalia.

      So you see, science could be the answer to all those things you mentioned. It is certainly more effective than praying to the deity of your choice and hoping for divine intervention.

      August 12, 2011 at 3:06 am |
  19. The Lionly Lamb of The Gods Does Roar

    Green1955 did write on Thursday, August 11, 2011 at 9:17 pm; “There is indeed a plethora of so called "educated" people out there that are deluded by religion. After coming across these individuals for the past 30 years...I have come to the conclusion that they all have underlying psychiatric, psychosocial or psychological disorders, the majority have an educational background that is almost always unrelated to science and most importantly, they all possess very poor critical thinking skills. It should be mandatory for high school students to take a class in critical thinking as well as personal finance.”

    Does the name “Albert Einstein” or “Leonardo DaVinci” or “Isaac Newton” ring any bells? Your being a “self-professed” Psychological Master declaring in solemness there are “underlying” stigmatas regarding the highly educated being religiously orientated is not only a stupefied analogy but is a baseless congruity of shamefulness. How about this “God Gene” that has come to light in the sciences of today’s scientific enlightenments?

    August 11, 2011 at 9:54 pm |
    • meva

      Deluded by religion? How about quantum mechanics, parallel universes and the discovery that life is STRANGER that the facile surface would suggest. I am an INFJ as they ascribed people a psychological catagory. We are known to be psychic. And we are psychic. Believe me, what you see here is far less than what is really here. I've seen the future before it came, and experienced demons and angels. The deluded are those who believe small and cannot see the wonder about them.

      August 11, 2011 at 10:03 pm |
    • The Lionly Lamb of The Gods Does Roar

      @ meva,

      In my scientific analogies of “Fractal Cosmology” I have come to an assertion that there is “no such thing” as “parallel” universes but there are an immeasurable amount of universes out there beyond our universe in the far reaches of Outer Space. The mathematical configurations of “quantum mechanics/physics” has yet to see into the deepest depths of Inner Space and if they someday do see that which is there, they just might find that what we see up in outer space is the sameness of inner space. What Meva is this INFJ you wrote? I am not well versed in such initialings. Being “psychic” is not of my concerns and I care little to nothing when one out rightly professes to be such. According to the KJVB, a Gospel, “Our future is not set in Stone” for if it were, we would all know with surety and have nothing for which to flounder around with.

      August 11, 2011 at 10:33 pm |
    • evolvedDNA

      lonely lamb ... what are you trying to say.... not sure the last part of your comments make sense... are you indicating that Alberta E was religious.....? that is not correct of course...

      August 11, 2011 at 10:35 pm |
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