Church extends authority to absolve sin of abortion for papal visit
August 18th, 2011
02:13 PM ET

Church extends authority to absolve sin of abortion for papal visit

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

(CNN) - The Vatican has given authority to priests who are in Madrid during the pope’s visit there to give absolution to women who confess to having had an abortion - and has empowered priests to lift excommunications for such women.

Typically, only certain priests have the power to grant absolution for the sin of abortion and to lift excommunications that have resulted from terminated pregnancies, according to a Vatican spokesman.

“All the priests that are administering the sacrament of confession during World Youth Day have the general authority to give absolution from the penalty of excommunication for abortion if someone comes to confession… if someone has this need,” Vatican spokesman Rev. Federico Lombardi told CNN on Thursday, referring to the event that brought Pope Benedict XVI to Madrid on Thursday for a four-day visit.

Madrid Archbishop Antonio María Rouco Varela announced the extension of such authority to more priests in a statement on the archdiocese's website, saying the move was made in hopes that "all of the faithful who attend the celebrations of the 26th World Youth Day in Madrid can more easily attain the fruits of divine grace, that the doors to a new life open for them."

The church has set up 200 confessional booths in a Madrid park for priests to hear confessions in.

Varela said the Roman Catholic Church “has conferred to all the priests legitimately approved to hear sacramental confessions, who are in the archdiocese of Madrid during August 15 to 22, the delegated power to remit during the sacrament of penance the excommunication… corresponding to the sin abortion, to the faithful who are truly sorry, imposing at the same time a convenient penance.”

Benedict’s Spain visit coincides with a weeklong series of religious events that the Roman Catholic Church organizes every three years.

Lombardi said that the Vatican often extends authority to absolve certain sins and to lift excommunications at big papal events. Any woman who knows that the church considers abortion a sin and goes through with the procedure is automatically excommunicated, Lombardi said.

"This is not only for women," Lombardi said. "If a man has given the pressure on the women to do an abortion then he's guilty in the same way."
A spokesman for the Catholic Church in Spain said that the extension of priestly authority around abortion applies only to priests who are in the Madrid archdiocese for World Youth Day festivities.

On Thursday the pope was greeted by a large crowd of followers, including youths from all over the world, but his visit was not without controversy. With Spain suffering a deep economic crisis and nearly 21% unemployment, the amount that the pope's visit is costing the country has been top news in recent days.

The pope arrived in Madrid as protests took place in the city over that cost. The economic crisis has previously sparked protests in the country.

- CNN's Al Goodman and Mariano Castillo contributed to this report.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Abortion • Catholic Church • Spain

soundoff (1,031 Responses)
  1. PushingBack

    Doesn't it look like he's saying..."Have fun stormin' the castle!"

    August 19, 2011 at 12:27 pm |
    • DamianKnight

      OMG...I totally didn't see it before, but you're right!

      "I'm on the brute squad."

      August 19, 2011 at 12:41 pm |
  2. Toby

    Unfortunately, most people are unable to think themselves out of the mental slavery of religion and the belief that there is some deity out there who personally cares for them. This is a comforting (and understandable) belief, but human beings do not need the comfort of myths and delusional beliefs to live happy and well-adjusted lives. To the extent that any religion teaches its adherents to be happy, compassionate, tolerant, and benevolent toward themselves and others, I applaud the effort. Unfortunately most religions teach self abjection, self loathing, misogynistic ideas, and pollute the reasoning faculties of innocent children with fearful ideas of everlasting torture if they do not believe. We have to outgrow this silliness because it has divided out world for far too long. None of this could possibly be proven outside the realm of personal, subjective experience. Religion may motivate people to do "good deeds", but it is an unnecessary motivating factor-many who do not believe in any gods or religions also treat their fellow men with love and compassion and feed them-so why the need to believe in a god or religion? Peace.

    August 19, 2011 at 12:16 pm |
    • The Lambly Winged Lion of The Gods Does Roar Almightily

      @ Toby, You stated, " Religion may motivate people to do "good deeds", but it is an unnecessary motivating factor-many who do not believe in any gods or religions also treat their fellow men with love and compassion and feed them-so why the need to believe in a god or religion?"

      Have you Toby ever heard of the science around the "God Gene"? Google it and read up,,,,,,,,,

      August 19, 2011 at 12:31 pm |
    • RightTurnClyde

      You guys are actually another form of ideologue fanatic. ALL (100%) people employ myth and delusion. My impression you do not understand myth or delusion. religion is not the same thing as deity. A "happy and well adjusted" life is (at best) predicated upon a slew of assumptions (that are myth and delusion) and probably most often Campbell's waste land. How do you know what ot7hers teach (a one semester college course?) .. actually everything you are saying in this paragraph is MYTH (and yet you claim to be completely objective) So look at how you deceive yourself with your own BS..

      August 19, 2011 at 1:18 pm |
  3. RightTurnClyde

    Forgiveness is the process (or act) of "letting go" of it. Conversely to hang on to something is to live in the past and ignore the present. We need to forgive (not just say "I forgive you" or "I forgive me") We need to let go of it (Auld Lang Syne).. do not let the sun set on your wrath .. every end-time (sunset, Sunday, month-end, quarter, new year .. you must let go of things. Recall how the Hatfields and the McCoys (hung on) until not one was left. Forgive yourself and forgive others.

    August 19, 2011 at 12:09 pm |
  4. Rainer Braendlein

    What is the distinction between the true Christian Church and the Roman Catholic Church (RCC)?


    The head of the true Christian Church is the invisible Jesus Christ. In contrast the head of the RCC is the visible pope.

    One could claim: "But the pope tells us of Jesus! He is just his deputy."

    According to the New Testament the Christian Church is not built up hierarchically, but democratically. Every local congregation should elect her own pastor or bishop. The pastors of a region should not be submitted to an superpastor or supervisor. God rejects any hierarchy. If there are any difficult questions of doctrine, the pastors and bishops can meet at regional or even international councils and figure out the truth. Such free councils would be influenced by the Holy Spirit and would bring forth the truth.

    In contrast RCC:

    The papal hierarchy displaces Christ or the Holy Spirit. Thus, the RCC lacks a divine teacher (the Holy Spirit). Councils of the RCC are not free, but the decision are predetermined by the lousy pope. All might within the RCC is concentrated on the lousy pope. Hence, the RCC has become a nasty wormhole of heresies. How shall a simple human being (the pope) be able to make divine decisions? He is not able for that.

    Conclusion: The papal office is the basic defect of the RCC.

    Historical pointer: The papal office was established by the tyrant Phocas (he was an ancient Adolf Hitler). So, Luther felt free to say: "The papacy, insti-tuted by the devil!" Luther was right!

    (Phocas was emperor of the Eastern Roman Empire 602-610 a. D.)

    August 19, 2011 at 11:54 am |
    • RightTurnClyde

      Pope, pastor, priest .. it's all the same. You are in charge of your relationship with your deity. You alone are responsible (and accountable) for your acts. You cannot tell God "she made me do it" .. "it's her fault" - you are accountable for your acts and she is accountable for hers.

      August 19, 2011 at 12:03 pm |
    • Maggie

      If you want to disagree with the real Church, that's your problem. But stop the dishonesty of creating straw men to knock down. You only make yourself look stupid.

      August 19, 2011 at 12:06 pm |
    • TodayMessage

      If "God rejects any hierarchy", then why Christian has to submissive to the Lord?

      BTW, I'm not a Christian, just a person who try to understand Christian's faith.

      August 19, 2011 at 12:11 pm |
    • Rainer Braendlein


      You are right, I am alone responsible for my acts.

      The USA are befallen by a false gospel: Believe in Christ and get stuck a label on your forehead: "HE IS FORGIVEN!"
      This false gospel can lead to a reckless conduct.

      The true gospel:

      Jesus Christ wants to deliver people, which are affected by the original sin. Jesus can provide the divine power to overcome sin, according to Romans 6. The first purpose of the gospel is not forgiveness, but an improving life.

      Jesus has borne our sins on the cross. This we must believe, and this is dedicated to us at Holy Baptism: Our old man of sin has died together with Jesus and we have resurrected with Jesus to a new life.

      Everybody, who is baptized, has got the power to live a Christian life. After baptism faith means obedience (Bonhoeffer).

      Baptism is a divine act. At every baptism God creates a new man – this is the mystery of baptism.

      August 19, 2011 at 12:27 pm |
  5. Michael

    OH...whoop-de-do! Let me know when a FEMALE pope has something to say on the subject.

    August 19, 2011 at 11:47 am |
    • RightTurnClyde

      Have females shown that they are more moral than men? More reasonable? Wiser? More just? No, they have not. They are just as immoral and self serving as any other member of the species. They do seem to be more emotional (look at the Anthony case .. they want a lynching). N.Grace has stirred them up (just like a pope). No .. there is not greater justice to be gleaned from females.

      August 19, 2011 at 11:58 am |
    • BRC

      I think Michael was trying to point out that if you are discussing Abortion, the discussion should be held and led by women, because they have uteruses (uteri?), and a male Pope does not. It makes some sense.

      August 19, 2011 at 12:24 pm |
    • Peace2All


      Hey -Clyde...

      Seems that you have totally and completely dodged the inference as to 'men' being the only ones capable of being the 'pope' because apparently you, and others believe the 'female folk' to be "less than capable" in the areas mentioned.

      You seem to be making massive inaccurate generalities.



      August 19, 2011 at 12:28 pm |
  6. UrsusRexx

    Why does this group of boy-lovers have a 'WORLD YOUTH DAY'?? Who forgives the evil Joseph Ratzinger of HIS 'R.I.C.O.' crime wave? Does this '60's-hammer-films-vampire-clone' pope have a clue how likely his church is to become radically
    'downsized' over these next few decades?
    N.A.M.B.L.A.-International, (Tiber River), is currently pushing an 'expedited' sainthood for the late Karol Wojtoyla, (aka, J.Paul-2, 'Patron-Saint-Elect of Buggery'), who 'looked the other way' while the founder of the 'Legion-O-Christ' had children, then had more children BY his children, like Warren Jeff's, (...w/o all the bovine drippings about 'celestial' marriege), then had seminarians...mere 'french fries on the side'!
    These are the people who tell the rest of us when / where 2 ADULTS may/may NOT marry, what is allowed on the 'health care' front: remember, kiddies, 'HIV-Aids' is holy, unlike those dirty, nasty, (infection-preventing) condoms!!
    To reach such a level of assinine behaviore is truly frightening, and/or, laughable...
    ...Who, precisely, will admit their guilt for extending the church's (alleged) 'authority', (aka, Erich Cartmann's 'authoritas', L.O.L.!), to extend absolution, without police involvement, to pedophiles? That is an important, (if Vatican-trivilized), question!

    August 19, 2011 at 11:40 am |
    • RightTurnClyde

      "Composition and Rhetoric," is a 100 level course on writing at the college level. In many American colleges and universities, undergraduate students must take composition courses. It is also the very first course in graduate school.

      August 19, 2011 at 11:51 am |
  7. Recovering Catholic

    My Mother is an Irish born and raised CATHOLIC. I was raised the same. BLIND.. Went to Catholic Church Catholic School, never really knew what was in the BIBLE. I read what the Catholic church told me to read, the bible was discouraged. I was told by priests and nuns and seminarians and bishops that not even the pope understood the bible and that I needed to go to catechism and listen to the preist's sermon and bla bla bla. Years of unanswered questions as a child so I wanderd aimlessly through my life never seeking out any other religion because I was programmed to believe that I would be damned if I did. ....Two years ago I lost my daughter. My world crashed I wanted to die the pain was and still is incredible. A chance encounter with a pastor from a Seventh Day Adventist church changed my world forever. I have taken real BIBLE study classes, gone to church on the right Sabbath, and now I know who GOD really is. One of the main things I learned, is that only GOD can forgive sin. The Catholic church has been involved in sin from the beginning. The popes etc were chosen by military rank not morals or holiness and one was a practicing pagan. Got that from history research. The only His Holiness I know is The Lord. The pope is not GOD on earth. The rituals of the Catholic church are not in the bible.confirmation, holy orders, purgatory limbo, conffessing to a man in a little black box, say three hail Mary's and and act of contrition and I forgive you of your sins, the baptsmal font, sprinkling came from a too sick emporer, couldn't make it to the river for a full dip, guess he shouldn't have waited til he was dying. All in all, the catholic church has never lived by what the bible says, inquisition, molestation, riches while people suffer and children die of hunger, Did you know that people don't fly up to heaven when they die? Not even Mary is there yet. People rest until judgement day. It is written in many places in the Bible. Why do people continue to pray to Mary. Why does the rosary have more prayers to Mary than to our Creator? Who gave the pope the power to make someone a saint? We are all saints until we corrupt our own souls. I know that God is loving and forgiving and all you have to to is talk to Him. Seventh Day Adventist's truly live by the Bible. As a catholic, when I lost my daughter I prayed to die, as a two year SDA I give thanks to the Lord for the blessings he has given me and I have hope and faith. I know what His plan is and I can LIVE with that. God Bless Us Everyone.

    August 19, 2011 at 11:36 am |
    • RightTurnClyde

      It sounds like you did not recover.

      August 19, 2011 at 11:43 am |
    • Nameless Face

      For all of the ranting you do about how you grew up an unquestioning follower of the Catholic church, you sure don't know much about it.

      The rosary is not a prayer praising Mary. It is a prayer asking for her intercession. The words, "Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with you, blessed are you among women and blest is the fruit of your womb, Jesus," are taken directly from the nativity story in the gospels. (I'd think that someone who is so well-versed in the Bible now that she is "allowed to read it" would know something like this.) The rest of the prayer, "Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of death," is the intercession. It's no different than asking a friend to pray for you or the spirit of your deceased loved one to be with you in an hour of need.

      Other prayers include the Creed, the Our Father (also taken directly from the Bible), the Glory Be (which praises the Father, Son and Holy Ghost) and the Prayer of Fatima (which once again asks for mercy when in despair). The entire point of the rosary is to get the person who is praying it into a trance-like frame of mind so they can clearly meditate upon the message the Holy Spirit is trying to impart. It serves as a mode of direction and discernment.

      I'm sorry for your loss, but I'm also sorry you feel so much contempt for a faith that - if you had bothered to learn more about it - could have helped you through your time of spiritual crisis.

      August 19, 2011 at 12:08 pm |
    • J

      just to clarify to all of you catholics...if you are dead you can't pray to someone. So therefore you can't ask Mary to "intercede" for you. She's dead she can't ask God to do anything for you. Why don't you just ask God yourself? It's like being in 7th grade and asking your best friend to ask a boy to go on a date with you. Why not ask the boy yourself? Too chicken I assume.

      August 19, 2011 at 12:22 pm |
    • Frogist

      @Recovering Catholic: I'm sorry for the loss of your daughter.

      August 19, 2011 at 4:36 pm |
  8. RightTurnClyde

    What a sad comedy. They have painted themselves into so many indefensible corners. At one time you would burn eternally if you ate meat on Friday or a "holy day." Your membership was revoked if you got divorced (but "canon" lawyers could twist it around an annul it). Add in celibacy and the scandals and inquisitions and purchased promotions and it is a comedy. Extremely ritual but no substance. Similar "problems" with Bible worshippers.

    August 19, 2011 at 11:31 am |
    • HotAirAce

      The only time religion makes sense is when you pitch it in the garbage and get on with doing the best you can in this life, without reference to man-made tribal mythologies and their non-existant (man-made) supernatural beings.

      August 19, 2011 at 11:55 am |
  9. Deathstalker

    Whatever you believe many mothers who have abortions tend to have guilt over the fact. Going to a priest and asking forgiveness helps with that guilt. IMO abotion is wrong but so are many other things people do every day. When you have guilt confessing to anyone even yourself will some times make you feel a little better.

    August 19, 2011 at 11:28 am |
    • jimtanker

      And this guilt is created by religion. Remember, religion creates the disease then decides that it is the only cure. It is the perfect scam.

      August 19, 2011 at 11:30 am |
    • RightTurnClyde

      Priests and bishops cannot forgive but God does forgive. So it is compounded falsehood to speak of it. Of course there guilt in a normal mind. Any kind of gross injury to another person weighs very heavily on the normal mind. We do seek forgiveness but not from a priest or a bishop or a pope. They merely cash in on the misfortune of others (like lawyers)

      August 19, 2011 at 11:38 am |
    • Nameless Face

      @ Jimtanker

      I'm not sure what kind of poo you're shoveling, but I guess I should expect as much from a man. Guilt over abortion is NOT a direct result of religion. Even women who have natural abortions (miscarriages) many times feel feelings of guilt, remorse, blame for what has been lost.

      Even people like Freud, who rejected the idea of God, had an explanation for guilt. And it had nothing to do with religion.

      August 19, 2011 at 12:20 pm |
    • Frogist

      @Nameless Face: I don't think because a woman feels guilty about a miscarriage, we can assume she feels guilty about an abortion. And even if there is some residual guilty feeling, compounding that with the concept that it's also a sin that condemns her soul is just manipulation by the church resulting in her feeling worse. Not to mention opportunistic if it brings her, her money and her allegiance to their organization.

      August 19, 2011 at 4:57 pm |
  10. The Lambly Winged Lion of The Gods Does Roar Almightily

    In find it rather amusing that Great Britian has become brothel'd in multi-religious infarctions in the many-faceted of religious soothsayers now scavenging today's English rovers of assimilativeness. RCC, LOOKOUT, here come the hordes!

    August 19, 2011 at 11:25 am |
  11. Kirk


    August 19, 2011 at 11:25 am |
  12. AGuest9

    Remember, Colin, you are NEVER to question authority! 🙂 (I think that was the Eleventh Commandment, until that third tablet broke).

    August 19, 2011 at 11:02 am |
  13. Colin

    Catholics really are the low hanging fruit when it comes to silly supersti.tions. You don't want to intellectually beat up on them, but some of the Dark Ages nonsense they still believe if so dam.n funny, it’s hard to resist.

    One of my favorites is this who idea of confession.

    You whisper your "sins" to a priest. He says some magic words, and does some magic hand symbols because he has special powers. He then tells you to recite some prayers. You then go outside and pray silently and a being that supposedly created the entire Universe (the same being that is upset about your sins in the first place) reads your mind and forgives you.

    Had you not gone through this ritual, he would be still mad at you. Apparently, being powerful enough to create the entire Universe and its billions of galaxies, and being at least 13,700,000,000 years (age of Universe) does not stop him having purely human emotions over the behavior of an individual human on one of his planets.

    And to think, people are leaving the Catholic Church in droves. I guess, when you claim a monopoly on the truth in the Dark Ages, you kind of paint yourself into a corner or two. Will the last Catholic to leave the church please turn off the lights?

    August 19, 2011 at 10:50 am |
    • William Demuth


      Your age of the universe is off by 13,699,994,000 years according to Saran Palin.

      August 19, 2011 at 10:52 am |
    • Colin

      Hey WB – and Rick Perry and Mike Huckabee and Michelle Bachmann, and 40% of the country.

      Be afraid, be very afraid......

      August 19, 2011 at 10:54 am |
    • AGuest9

      Actually, Colin, it's those of us with a brain that are looking around ourselves at the rest of the electorate who are very afraid. We saw them elect (or sue to elect)/re-elect Bush and create the Tea Party. What OTHER evil are they ready to unleash upon the republic???

      August 19, 2011 at 11:06 am |
    • brad

      Colin, when the Roman Empire was collapsing, learning was saved from the barbarian hordes by the monks in Ireland. The first universities in the western hemisphere were established in 1539 by catholic Spain. Look up "Scholasticism". This occured in the middle ages and was a systhesis of Christian and Aristoltean thought. And of course, there's a long list of catholics who've contributed to scientific discovery. Looks like you're more ignorant in the 21st century than catholics were in the third century.

      August 19, 2011 at 11:08 am |
    • Scott

      Mind mentioning the actual process instead of hocus pocus?
      It's another form of psychology, and it's not about getting God to forgive you, it's about forgiving yourself. That some people pursue a spiritual healing as opposed to a 500$ an hour psychiatrist for emotional issues isn't something to be mocked.
      And I really wish that people would stop grouping all of the RCC with the EXTREMELY low percentage of fundamentalists that believe in the crazy stuff like the 6000 year old Earth. Personally, I am a conservative Roman Catholic. I'm also an engineer, scientist, support gay marriage, and know how to reconcile scientific evidence with my own personal spiritual beliefs.
      The things that bug me are the flames that inhabit any story even remotely close to religion (from both sides). It's extremely disheartening about the path that our species as a whole is going down.

      August 19, 2011 at 11:10 am |
    • William Demuth


      The Irish WERE the barbarian hordes!

      Your understanding of history is tainted by your brainwashing.

      And it was your brother zealot Christians that destroyed Rome, and dragged the world into adark age that lasted CENTURIES.

      August 19, 2011 at 11:11 am |
    • I = rubber, U = glue


      So because there was a university started by religious folk, then Colin is ignorant?

      Good job not addressing his actual post regarding Confession. If you don't have a rebuttal then change the subject, nice.

      August 19, 2011 at 11:15 am |
    • The Lambly Winged Lion of The Gods Does Roar Almightily

      @ brad who statede, "The first universities in the western hemisphere were established in 1539 by catholic Spain."

      1539 you say? How long after that did the masses finally become educated? !900's? 361 years later, Gee wilickers!

      August 19, 2011 at 11:19 am |
    • William Demuth

      The Lambly Winged Lion of The Gods Does Roar Almightily

      Its 2010 and half the states have a comporable collective education of a dark ages peasent.

      August 19, 2011 at 11:25 am |
    • brad

      @ The Lambly

      "How long after that did the masses finally become educated? !900's? 361 years later, Gee wilickers!"
      Actually, they were teaching philosophy (this is disciiplined thinking), and ancient languages (this subject deals with the languages people spoke in ages past.)

      August 19, 2011 at 11:38 am |
    • I = rubber, U = glue

      @ brad

      Thanks for explaining what philosophy and ancient languages are. I'm being sarcastic (using irony to mock).

      Also, thanks for continuing to avoid the actual post regarding Confession

      August 19, 2011 at 12:15 pm |
    • Colin

      Scott – You said, "Mind mentioning the actual process instead of hocus pocus?". That's my point. The wole process is hocus-pocus. Priests with magic powers that a lay person does not have allowing you to talk with a sky-fairy and have it forgive your sins to avoid it burning you forever.

      Come on man, really?

      The problem is, when you have learned religion from a point where you were too young to question it, it seems to come naturally and does not seem bizarre. Step outside the faith for a moment and have a good hard look at it. I did, and it crumbled in a heap.

      August 19, 2011 at 12:45 pm |
    • Anti Christian Taliban Schizophrenics


      Scott – You said, "Mind mentioning the actual process instead of hocus pocus?". That's my point. The wole process is hocus-pocus. Priests with magic powers that a lay person does not have allowing you to talk with a sky-fairy and have it forgive your sins to avoid it burning you forever.

      Come on man, really?

      The problem is, when you have learned religion from a point where you were too young to question it, it seems to come naturally and does not seem bizarre. Step outside the faith for a moment and have a good hard look at it. I did, and it crumbled in a heap.

      I can relate. I chuckle when I think back at my mind set when I was a christian. Logic was pushed to the side if it conflicted with the bible...scre wy I was.

      August 19, 2011 at 12:49 pm |
    • Colin

      Hey ACTS – don't be hard on yourself, mate. Look around the World – 90% of the planet is still infected. At least you pulled yourself out of the dark superst.ition of religion.

      August 19, 2011 at 12:55 pm |
  14. Rainer Braendlein

    The who-re (RCC) cannot deliver us, but solely Jesus Christ. The bride of Jesus Christ is the Christian Church. God gave gifts to his Church, so that her members can strengthen each other.

    The authority to absolve sins is given to every true Christian, not to the Roman Catholic Church (RCC) or to the pope or the clergy.


    Protestants assume that "authority to absolve sins" is a Catholic nonsense, invented by the wicked popes.

    The Truth:

    Jesus Christ himself gave authority to his disciples to absolve sins. It is also called the "Power of the Keys":

    Gospel of St. John, Chapter 20:

    21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace [be] unto you: as [my] Father hath sent me, even so send I you.

    22 And when he had said this, he breathed on [them], and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

    23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; [and] whose soever [sins] ye retain, they are retained.

    I would never confess my sins to a RCC-priest. According to the Revelation the RCC is the Who-re. She is a Who-re, because she loves the world more than Jesus Christ. The RCC is a Church, which wants to rule. Jesus has expressly forbidden his Church to reach out for worldly rule. Thus, the RCC is no real Christian Church, because she acts against the will of Jesus Christ, who was downright humble and who was rejected and had to suffer here on earth. Jesus was not concerned about earthly powern, honour and riches, but he wanted to comfort suffering souls.

    Furthermore the RCC wants to get honoured by the world and wants to become rich. This is never the Church, which was founded by Jesus Christ. The RCC is a totally degenerated Church (spiritually seen).

    August 19, 2011 at 10:45 am |
    • jimtanker

      In your opinion.

      There is no evidence that your god exists. NONE!

      August 19, 2011 at 10:50 am |
    • Rainer Braendlein


      Don't pull down the discussion to the low level of doubting God's existence!

      Creation proves creator, ready!

      Jesus was God's Son, because he proved it by miracles, which he performed.

      August 19, 2011 at 10:57 am |
    • William Demuth

      Rainer Braendlein

      Creation proves creator?

      Idiots proves idiocy seems far more logical

      August 19, 2011 at 10:59 am |
    • The Lambly Winged Lion of The Gods Does Roar Almightily

      @ Rainer B. you stated, "Furthermore the RCC wants to get honoured by the world and wants to become rich. This is never the Church, which was founded by Jesus Christ. The RCC is a totally degenerated Church (spiritually seen)."

      Sell all that you have you papalists and give it to those mostly in needs. Become likened to the poor for poors' sakes.

      August 19, 2011 at 11:10 am |
    • Chrstndowers

      He was referring to His 12 disciples who were with Him during His time on earth. It is pretty ignorant to say that applies to some people today. We have no way of knowing who that would be and how to measure that. Nobody on this earth has any power to absolve sins. That is Jesus's job.

      August 19, 2011 at 11:25 am |
    • TodayMessage


      "There is no evidence that your god exists. NONE!"

      Unfortunately, there is no absolute proof that "god" isn't exist. Otherwise, evolution can't explain where Palin, Bachmann and the Tea Party came from.

      August 19, 2011 at 12:56 pm |
  15. brad

    The catholic church has always been against abortion. In my experience, the church has always forgiven them and offered healing assistance such as Project Rachel. When a woman has serious regret about abortion, what does Planned Parenthood offer them? What do the "think for yourselves" (mainly about themselves) crowd offer? Nothing, of course. They're too busy trying to keep up with the latest zeitgiest wave to tell them what to think.

    August 19, 2011 at 10:42 am |
    • Stevie7

      "what does Planned Parenthood offer them?"
      PP offers counseling services.

      August 19, 2011 at 10:44 am |
    • HotAirAce

      70+% of all abortions in the USA are had by believers. Why isn't religion taking care of their cult member's needs *before* they get into difficulty and come to believe that an abortion is the best solution for their situation?

      August 19, 2011 at 11:59 am |
    • Peace2All


      Hey -Brad... Hope that you are well...?

      The catholic church has always been against abortion.

      You Said: " In my experience, the church has always forgiven them(regarding abortion) "

      I'm curious in that why does the RCC even need to be in the business of 'forgiving anyone'....?

      And I suppose the flip side of that question is why would anyone need or require to be forgiven by the Catholic Church...?



      August 19, 2011 at 12:24 pm |
    • Frogist

      @brad: How about we ask what the alternative to safe, legal abortion care offers? Oh yes, lots of dead women. Or lots of sterile women. Or lots of women in jail. Also just so we are clear, the vast majority of women do not experience any regret about their decision to abort. And it is very questionable that the ones who do experience any are getting that feeling from the abortion itself.

      August 19, 2011 at 5:13 pm |
  16. Ego Sum Lamia

    200 confessional booths? Way to meet that quota!!!! Put Holy Water in the sprinkler system then they can just run through it.
    Don't let word get out to the Baptist, they have they "saved quota" they have to meet and don't need anymore ideas.

    August 19, 2011 at 10:34 am |
    • Stevie7

      Maybe they'll have jesus wafers at road-side truck stands

      August 19, 2011 at 10:36 am |
    • William Demuth

      200 confessional booths and not a single Porta-Potty

      No wonder the old Nazi is so full of it!

      August 19, 2011 at 11:03 am |
  17. Rainer Braendlein

    It is right that the Pope condemns abortion, but even a poor peasant would do this.

    People need to know, how they can escape the cycle of sin, which we are trapped in.

    An ordinary modern man or woman pursues wealth, honor and power. This pursuit causes a high pressure to perform at the workplace. Vocational success is the basic requirement for advancement. This life cannot be united with a life of Christian love.

    In contrast the Christian way of life:

    Of course, also a Christian is supposed to work. Yet a Christian doesn't pursue wealth, honor and power, but he wants just to be a useful member of the whole society. He may use some of his salary for good deeds. He his free to work less, when he feels indebted to his family or Church or other people, which don't need merely money but also happy community.

    Conclusion: We need a Church, that encourages people to break out of the performance society. Assumed, someone says, he want to do any easier job from now on, in order to spare time for his family, it should be accepted. Family and Christian community must become new values beside vocational success.

    The pope doesn't provide this solution, because he offers no deliverance. Solely people, delivered of greed for wealth, honor and power, will have enough time to take care of their families.

    Jesus can deliver us from our low instincts.

    In this way abortion could get overcome. Real wealth means happy family and happy Christian community and that means to welcome children.

    August 19, 2011 at 10:30 am |
    • S

      Xtians dont pursue wealth? We must have a ton of fake Xtians in America then...

      August 19, 2011 at 10:40 am |
    • Rainer Braendlein


      Regarding science, military, economy, etc. the USA is the most advanced country on earth, but concerning the real faith there are plenty of deficiencies.

      Read the book "The Cost of Discipleship" by Dr. Dietrich Bonhoeffer and proceed in Christianity.

      August 19, 2011 at 10:52 am |
    • The Lambly Winged Lion of The Gods Does Roar Almightily

      Secularistic styled xtians desires that which is hardest for them to succeed in the game of life and that is the "I wanna be like you" generalist mindsets of the common folks' literary abuttments. The "universlized" mindsets of the abated person(s) is driven by their eyeings of wanting wealth, forgoing the ideologies of spiritualisms descendencied ritualistic way in thinking of self-persecution and denials of the self-wants. How does one therefore gain in the worldly essence and/or senses of worldly enlightenments?

      August 19, 2011 at 10:58 am |
    • William Demuth

      Lamb, where the hell you from?

      Your English has the quality of a paranoid Serbian!

      Slow down, you are losing the little credibility you ever had.

      August 19, 2011 at 11:28 am |

    Warning to all children: Stay away from these priests! They will harm you!

    August 19, 2011 at 10:28 am |
    • William Demuth

      Recieving the Body of Christ (AKA Buggery) is considered a blessing in Christian circles

      August 19, 2011 at 10:56 am |
  19. brad

    I've been a catholic all my days. I've known several women who've had abortions and been reconciled with the church for YEARS . The media knows nothing, it's anti-catholic lap dogs know even less.

    August 19, 2011 at 10:27 am |
    • William Demuth


      Wrap that rascal, and spare the ladies the damnation.

      Or just give the Nazi pedophille a check and he will forgive you

      Alas the unborn children he fights for must still burn in hell unless you baptized their corpse before flushing them.

      August 19, 2011 at 10:57 am |
  20. Reaper

    "Look, look, he's making it up as he goes along" ~ Monty Python's Life of Brian

    All religions are made up nonsense that give people a security blanket in the face of uncertainty and mystery.

    Indeed, some children need fairy tales to keep them from wondering about Existence.

    August 19, 2011 at 10:16 am |
    • Stevie7

      Thanks a lot. Now I can't get "Always Look On The Bright Side Of Like" out of my head. Jerk. 🙂

      August 19, 2011 at 10:19 am |
    • jimtanker

      Absolutely right. I'm glad that I'm teaching my children to think for themselves.

      August 19, 2011 at 10:23 am |
    • Retios

      They are made up of nonsense due to the fact that at those times, they didnt have other explanation to the "supernatural" in the world. Now a days the answer to everything is in science and the stars. I like ur comment . However some people are not as educated and really close minded, that religion is the only answer to them .

      August 19, 2011 at 10:25 am |
    • William Demuth

      The suicidal Palestinian body gaurds are one of the greats of all time.

      August 19, 2011 at 10:48 am |
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