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August 23rd, 2011
06:04 PM ET
Washington National Cathedral sustains 'significant damage' in earthquakeBy Dan Gilgoff and Larry Lazo Washington (CNN) - Washington’s National Cathedral sustained "significant damage" during Tuesday’s 5.8-magnitude earthquake, the church said Wednesday, and will remain closed at least through Saturday, when it had planned to host a dedication event for the capital’s new Martin Luther King Jr. memorial. Three of the four corner spires on the church’s dramatic central tower lost their ornate capstones, or finials, during the quake, and there are cracks in some of the church’s flying buttresses. Called the "Gloria in Excelsis,” the cathedral’s central tower is the highest point in the nation’s capital, rising to a greater height than even the Washington Monument. The cracks in the flying buttresses are around the apse, the area around the altar, though the buttresses supporting the central tower appear to be sound, the church said in a statement. Though the dedication ceremony for the Martin Luther King Jr. memorial has been moved to a Roman Catholic church in Washington, the Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception, National Cathedral officials said they hoped to host services Sunday. The Rev. Samuel Lloyd, dean of the cathedral, said that there are no indications that the building has sustained serious structural damage but that structural engineers wanted more time to assess the building. “For safety’s sake, we want to be as careful as we can,” he said Wednesday, explaining the decision to keep the church closed. “The good news is that this was not devastating,” he said. “It was quite serious, and there are some very important things we’re going to have to deal with, but it could have been much worse.” Lloyd says he’s confident that the cathedral will go forward with three days of events around the 10th anniversary of the September 11 attacks. "By that point, we will have had the time we need fully to assess what's going on,” he said. “All plans are full steam ahead." Stonemasons and structural engineers are continuing to assess damage to the cathedral. “We’ve been crawling all over the building since yesterday afternoon, and it just strikes me the amount of work that’s ahead of us,” the church’s mason foreman, Joe Alonso, said Wednesday. “Again, this is all handmade, this is a handmade building, and I just look at all of these little individual sculptures and works of art.” “They’re delicate, but they’re still quite large,” he said. “When you look at those pinnacles up close, just knowing what goes into cutting and carving and laying these stones, we’ve got our work cut out for us. But we’re going to do it right.” No major injuries or extensive damage were reported, but the quake prompted evacuations of numerous office buildings – including the U.S. Capitol – and affected operations at a nuclear power plant in Virginia. An Episcopal church, Washington National Cathedral considers itself a “spiritual home for the nation.” It is the traditional site for official presidential inauguration services and has hosted funeral and memorial services for 10 U.S. presidents. According to its website, the cathedral was the longest-running project in the history of Washington. Construction began in 1907 and wasn’t completed until 1990. “The earthquake which struck the East Coast today is a reminder of the continuing evolution of this planet, this fragile Earth, our island home,” said the Episcopal Church’s head, the Most Rev. Katharine Jefferts Schori. “It is also a reminder of how interconnected we are,” she said in a statement. “The quake damaged Washington National Cathedral and reminded many Episcopalians of the quakes that struck the Christchurch Cathedral in New Zealand during the last year.”
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CNN editors look up 'nave' vs. 'knave'. You should be ashamed of yourselves - do any of you read books?
Could be an automatic spelling change, if the writer initially mistyped the word. We all make typos, even people who work for news outlets..
No Tallulah
Clearly CNN is just a liberal media news outlet that doesn't read and should be raked over the coals everytime they make a mistake.
Laughing - the liberal media elite has nothing to do with it. You wouldn't see that mistake in the NYT, and you can't get more liberal media elite than them.
And I don't think it's raking them over the coals, I think it's holding them to minimal editorial standards. CNN is supposed to be a premier national news outlet - it's not outrageous to ask them to use words correctly.
I'm an atheist, but I can respect a feat of engineering such as this and the beauty of the workmanship. I hope they fix it but keep the old design and look of the building....
But, you know... turn it into something useful instead of a church.
Yes, a museum.
@Colin
I was thinking the exact same thing.
I went to Italy about a year ago and it was beautiful. I went to a lot of churches (boy do they have a lot of churches) and from a purely historical view, it was fascinating. If the national cathedral could just become another part of the smithsonian I would be completely OK with it.
Laughing – agreed. Future children could be paraded through it by guides who say "Look children, as late as 2011, many people in America still believed in Middle Eastern Bronze Age mythology. Isn"t that fascinating!"
I've been to Italy and did the same thing. I've also been in many churches in Germany and England and even some in Thialand (Those weren't christian or catholic though). I appreciated them all for their beauty and history, and I would love to see them all become museums. They're all interesting to walk around in and hear about their history.
Guys, the National Cathedral is not the Masonic Order place in DC. You can visit and walk around and view it. Churches, such as this, are normally open for the public.
They will go running only if they heard it distributes money.... 🙂
It is a beautiful building. I hope the damage is repairable.
One of these days I'd like to get to DC with my camera, some really interesting architecture and art there.
When a church is singly lucky in a disaster, it’s a miracle, when it is singly unlucky, there is torpid silence from the sky-fairy adherents.
AGuest9, I'm sick and tired of your kinds. Why don't you all whites just leave USA so that the Asians, Russians and Arabs can occupy the land? I'm sure anyone would be nicer to these natives than the English was(sarcasm). Okay?
Where to begin?
I know, how about I just skip right to end and save myself the time to proofread anything;
You're stupid.
Love your favorite jew,
Laughing
Geez...yes, because all of us were around to stop the attempted genocide of the Native Americans. That was only, what? 150 years + ago?
Seeing as you are not an American citizen, Naomi, and clearly do not understand American history, your opinion on who should be allowed to stay in the US is worth pretty much nothing.
We are a nation founded on freedoms; freedom of speech, freedom of religion.
No, it's freedom to worship and to spread Christianity. Both USA and Canada.
Naomi, maybe you should read the actual words. There is nothing in our const-i-tution or other founding doc-uments regarding Christianity.
We are not, nor have we ever been, a Christian theocracy. We do not have a mis-sion to spread Christianity.
In fact, the oppression of some Christian governments against rival sects of Christians is the entire reason our founding fathers built our government to be secular, with no authority on religious matters, with no voice over the religion of its citizens, and guaranteed to all the freedom to worship, or not, as their conscious dictates.
Words, Naomi isn't interested in truth. She has been offered truth, has been given links to websites where she can learn actual history, but she is only interested in her own ideas and words. She has chosen ignorance, falsehood and hate. I can't imagine that she is anything other than a troll.
No, read the doc-uments and writings. They were all Christian-minded Protestants. They had no idea the nation would be this un-christian. It wasn't in their mind because they were so instinctly Christian. They gave freedom of no ass-ociation, of course, but they dreamed of godly Christian nations.
The United States had many forefathers who were Christians. Some of them were even clergy.
HOWEVER, the founding fathers were not trying to create a Christian nation. Far from it. They were learned men, who watched when Christianity got involved with politics. See: King Henry VIII vs. Catholic Church, Re: Divorce from Catherine of Aragon. That whole thing exploded and then you had Protestants killing Catholics. So then when Henry's daughter, Mary (i.e. Bloody Mary) took the throne, she decided to revert England back to Catholicism. So she started having Protestants killed. It wasn't until Elizabeth came in that she decided to let everyone kinda do what they wanted.
The Founding Fathers -knew- this history and so designed a system to allow anyone to practice in whatever way they chose. The U.S. was not intended to be a Christian nation. It was intended to be a nation of freedom.
Let's see... Franklin, Jefferson, Paine, and E.Allen off the top of my head were Deists. Give me some time and I can look up more, if you'd like.
My people came well after that.
Yes, Washington did. His hate was rooted in his early career, when he was responsible for burying Gen. Braddock at Fort Necessity. He hated Native Americans after that. When settlements in New York and Pennsylvania were destroyed by the Six Nations and Butler's Rangers, Washington ordered ONE-THIRD of the Continental Army under its next highest ranking officer, Maj. Gen John Sullivan to march into and destroy Central New York. All the fields, orchards and settlements were destroyed, and all the kidnapped settlers that could be found were returned to their families.
Did you know Gen. Sullivan was one of our first gay generals ?
To gay men, every male is a gay.
"To gay men, every male is a gay."
Exodus 20:16
You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.
No repent your sin!
It's that time again Naomi Vs. Atheists. Must admit Naomi is really a fiesty individual indeed!!!
Naomi/Adelina/FairGarden/Zelda/Faith is totally off her rocker. We would all be better off just ignoring her.
You go girl! knock some more punches!
Steve, you forgot Go Girl.
I'm old. I love atheists in Jesus. Learn some history, stupid boys.
I really don't think this could be called a match, that would imply an organized contest between to adversarial parties. This is much more like having Theists vs Athiests – while Naomi runs around the ring trying to throw peanuts at the athiest and hitting everyone at teh same time.
Reproting from the blogosphere ring:
Although, old and haggard Naomi continued her peanut assault punches on the Atheists in that final round.
Given the fiesty individual that she and with all the girls cheering her on, she dropped her final peanut punch and all the Atheists dropped their brains and ran from the scene.
Naomi was undoubtedly declared the Winner!
@Match Time
Naomi, Faith, True Friend, Justina, Frederica, Friend, Adeline, Christian Adeline, Adelina, FairGarden, Odessa, Zelda, WonderSpring (and a bunch of other names) is a lot of things, but "a fiesty individual" isn't one of them.
She is:
– Abrasive
– Bigoted
– Hateful
– Ignorant
– Deluded
In other words, she is the embodiment of everything that is wrong with religion.
She's either that, or she's an atheist trying to "show" that believers are all that.
There really is no sense in debating her as you are about as likely to "win" that debate as it is to win an argument with a rock, and for the same reason.
BRC,
I'm in a quandry. I'm a theist but don't want to fight for Naomi (because, it's nonsense.) Can I be offered a temporary reprieve to fight against hatred and bigotry?
@DamianKnight,
Of course you can. Fighting against Naomi in no way means you've turned your back on your team, it just means you support good sportsmanship (nobody likes that fan that uses offenses cheers and spills beer on the kids in front of them, makes the home team look bad). I think that'll do it for my sports analogies for one day.
Also, LinCA, you missed a few.
T-erse
W-hacked-out
A-ngry
T-rollish
What does that spell?
Naomi's posts bother me not so much today. (Except by how many of them there are. It really makes it tough to follow the comments when I'm constantly interrupted by another of her lunacies.) But what does bother me is when people genuinely support her. Do they not understand what she's saying? Or are they so caught up in the theist=good/atheist=bad thing that they can't see the hate she's spewing?
@Frogist,
That's pretty much it. People choosing sides, regardless of what is being said, no matter how non-sensical. Sounds like Congress to me.
LOL.... so tell us Naomi are you paid by the Belief Blog staff to poke the Atheist with a stick or is are you just paying a trollish game?
Mark, I can't get a job with my broken English and no one buys my paintings. Sorry I love talking about or to Americans...^^ It's nostalgia to me.
I think she's actually an Atheist in disguise trying to show christians on this site what a true fundementalist looks like.
That isnt the real Naomi. Don't be fooled everyone.
Naomi, fix your language and drop the hate. What you produce is an offense, lol.
Actually I have always thought that too Laughing.
Mark, it seems not too many Christians come to this blog or they are too gentle to tell all these atheists facts. Besides, Americans should know some viewpoints from Christians in the non-West. I admit I've been harsh, being got carried away. But you guys need to know you are just downright horrible to the Creator God. It's very unnatural and brings calamities, you know. You need the fear of God. I don't need to work now. I love painting American soldiers. ^^
Actually Naomi, I have seen you present very few facts. There may be some facts that support your position, but you never present them, so often your position is not taken seriously.
JW, all you need is honest research. I can't write a book here. Besides, unlike you, I finished my schooling long time ago. Most of you have no knowledge more than the grade 8 level. Only unrelated fragments of info. No comprehensive knowledge. If you read grade school textbooks, you can find my points are right.
So JW
What do you think? Atheist pretending to be crazy fundementalist? Angry foreign fundementalist? Either way I don't think she likes you, though you're probably a lot better off in her books than the atheists. It's sort of fun to see what her addled mind can come up with you know? Sort of like watching a 7 year old talk to an adult about what he learned at school with the arrogance of a graduate student. Just let her go, I sort of like the comments she makes because a) they help illustrate the reason why atheists are around in the first place and why we must actually get up and say something and b) she sometimes starts stimulating conversation (obviously she doesn't mean to nor participates).
How do you know when I finished school or how much schooling I have had? I could be anything from a first grader to being a PHD for all you know. And I did not even say you were incorrect. I didn't ask you to right a book. Just one or two sentences explaining your position. Like Atheist or evil for instances so and so was atheist and he did this. Or so and so was Christian and look at the good he has done.
JW, what is it you wanted to know? Be short. If you write long, I may not reply you even though I have answers.
@Laughing,
Tend to agree with you. Once Naomi learns that her tirades do nothing but actually hurt her belief system, maybe she'll repent of the hatred and bile she spews on these boards. Until then, we must endure.
I don't know Laughing it is hard to tell. I think that I am just trying to help her so that the atheists on here will have more respect for her position. Obviously I do not like what she says because of the first reason you like her. What is the difference between non-west and east anyways?
OK Naomi, you said that the way atheists on here were nasty to God and it brings calamities? What did you mean by that? Will God punish places with a greater number of atheists
JW
If you want to help, just disas.sociate from her, she's beyond redemption at this point anyways not only because of her checkered history on this blog, but simply by the comment she made about not answering too long of a post even when she has the answers.
Instead of getting her to change her views, if you feel the need to answer or correct her simply just put a disclaimer after a post of hers along the lines of
DISCLAIMER:
Real christians who aren't complete idiots do not agree or endorse this message. What she means to say is.....
We all have our Naomi's
(See: Willaim Demuth)
JW, I love atheists. No worries I'm used to threats from atheists.
The West = Western Europe and N. America (Ja-pan is included if only economy is discussed)
Non-West = all others.
Got it?
@Damian
If only, the sad part is that the bible can preach (depending on how you cherry pick) that Naomi is actually do the right thing by firmly holding onto her beliefs and proclaiming them far and wide and at the same time refusing to listen to reason or attempts to correct her because god said there would be people who would try and stop her but she needs to perservere. I think she serves as a good reminder about how frustrating it is to deal with someone so bogged down in dogma they can't comprehend seeing the world in a different way.
@Naomi,
For all of your vaunted education, you didn't read and answer the question. The question was, "OK Naomi, you said that the way atheists on here were nasty to God and it brings calamities? What did you mean by that? Will God punish places with a greater number of atheists"
Instead, you offered us an atypical geography lesson.
JW, none can tell exactly. It's different when individuals and nations face the con-se-quences. But the increase in blasphemies, perversions, pollution rate and the number of disasters do indicate something final is at hand. JW, none of us is immortal. I suggest you to read the Bible, repent and trust in Jesus, and brace for the things to come.
Laughing,
First point is, yes, if the Bible can be used to justify the slaughter of people, then it can also be used to spit hatred. I don't think any Christian can deny that point. It's why Jesus preached "spirit of the law" versus "letter of the law." It's why, for Christians, it is imperative they study the Bible, not just cherry pick scripture and then try to apply it, using Jesus as the example.
Second, I can totally understand your point. You and I don't see eye-to-eye on everything, but I can at least respect the fact that you don't believe the same way I do. Then, we can agree to disagree.
Naomi I have read the Bible. I am a Christian. I do trust in Jesus. Sometimes you do not act very Christlike on here.
Sorry I forgot Australia, it's a part of the West.
Atheism has no fo-un-da-tion whatsoever; just denial of everything good and valuable.
Any excuse to advertise your so-called " faith": you must have been in hog heaven after 9/11.
No, just the denial of all this supernatural nonsense.
The denial is you are full of hate the very opposite of what Christianity is suppose to be about. It's great to see fundamentalist showing the world their lack of discipline and hypocrisy. By the way Naomi if you truly understand the bible you would no women have no right to speak of spiritual matters to men. So shut up and follow the true teachings of the bible.
Jeff, you guys are filthy, ignorant pagans. The passage does not apply.
But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but remain quiet. For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being quite deceived, fell into transgression Tim. 2:12-14
So again Naomi shut up you have no authority to be trying to teach men, but you are filled with Satan go and sin no more!
Jeff, Naomi reshapes the bible to suit her needs. Either that, or she's actually is a man.
Jeff, this blog is not church. We are told to witness to every non-believer. Read I Peter as well. Tall-, I'm a woman.
You are not witnessing by the trash you are spewing on here. No shut up, Satan be gone from this woman!
Atheism has no foundation whatsoever; just denial of everything good and valuable.
And your thought process has no basis in reality.
Recognizing the flaws, follies and frauds in the foundations of Islam, Judaism and Christianity, the "bowers", kneelers" and "pew peasants" are converging these religions into some simple rules of life. No koran, bible, clerics, nuns, monks, imams, evangelicals, ayatollahs, rabbis, professors of religion or priests needed or desired.
Ditto for houses of "worthless worship" aka mosques, churches, basilicas, cathedrals, temples and synagogues.
That's interesting. I thought NOTHING in Washington was to be built taller than the height of the Monument?
Common misconception – building heights in DC are determined by the width of the street.
Stevie
You're right! All buildings are built so that if you tipped them over on their side they wouldn't hit the building across the street from it,
If anyone cares: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/25/AR2007052500833.html
@Laughing,
I didn't know that! But now that you say it, it makes perfect sense.
America, your putting humanistic preferences first over the glory of God has been wrong. Your permissiveness, cowardice, laziness, defeatism, relativism, greed, self-worship have been all evil tragedies. But we love you because of what your forefathers did. We'll remember how your missionaries and soldiers sacrificed to save the world and we'll continue to pray for you, though you look truly pitiful nowadays. In the deepest part of you, you know God is right but you just want to continue the evil perversion. You think you can get away with all the garbages you have. You betrayed God and your only hope is the Christians in your land. You may be mighty now but the history continues to get unfolded. I hope many of you will come to the right sense before America faces the full result of insulting the Creator God. Stop that evil.
I guess you are not a fan of people like Joel Osteen?
Americans, you were an ad-mi-ra-tion of all nations even mere 30 years ago. We were more excited and honored to meet with you than our own queens and kings or stars. You were good, intelligent, strong, purposeful, good-looking and respectful. All of us wanted to be like you. You were our goal and a forever-dream. Look, now. You are filthy, disrespectful(your language is horrible to the core), unwise, weird, immoral and dangerous. Parents worry if kids would become perv and stupid like you. It's not that the rest of the world became better-off now. We have our own problems but this is all because you became puffed up and dishonor God. Fix your language first. What you produce now is a horror to the nations. America, repent and treat Christianity right again. Otherwise, you'll end as another villain.
Thanks for helping further our cause!
" Fix your language first. What you produce now is a horror to the nations."
Good, start with your own.
Naomi, if you are living here and find things so horrible and immoral, please leave. If you don't know basic facts of our history, and cannot put them in their proper context and are offended by those facts, leave. We are the only country that has done an even passable job of combining secular and sacred without one destroying the other: if you are offended by the results, leave.
Tom, I don't live in USA. No, secularists are forcing their filthy doctrines upon American citizens especially on children. Why have you become so much like Sodom? You are losing religious freedom that your forefathers died for. They did not battle to create this garbage-like nation. Stop forcing the perversion upon everyone.
Naomi, If you don't live here, then don't lecture us on our society. If you are offended by our society, make the choice not to partake of what we produce. Its interesting that you lurch from admiration to revulsion of our country, and that you keep coming back for more. You must find the profane in our society attractive, since you keep dwelling on it. By the way, the Secular West gave you that computer you are typing on: if it ahd been up to people in Asia, you would still be doing foot-binding and adding with an abacus. Get a grip on the idea that the good come with the bad, and no amount of prattling by an arrogant uber-Christian will cahnge anyone's mind.
It's quite pretty. I hope they can mend the damage.
Im in NJ, I didn't even feel it even though other people did. I was outside and I thought I saw some cars jiggle and the water in a puddle wiggle. But I thought it was just a trick of the light or something. Then I came in from lunch and my colleagues were talking about their chairs and walls shaking. It sucks that I missed it. Boo!
Okay Naomi, time to come home now...you have proven to the world how evil you really are...you have proven yourself to me and I welcome you with open arms to my hot burning pit...your eternal afterlife is in my control....hahahahaha
I thought stupid atheists didn't believe in Satan, either. Atheists, why are you so religious? Those who trust in Jesus cannot belong to Satan. Get some religious education, atheists. You guys are the most religious idiots with the lowest intelligence.
"Get some religious education, atheists."
Get some real education from books other than the bible.
People who worship me are not Atheists...Atheists don't believe in me
@Naomi I never knew you!
lol
Americans would do poorer job in concealing their Christian past than the pathetic Soviets.
Present secular America = A picture of stupid kids ruining what their wonderful parents have accomplished...
Those stupid kids you refer to were raised by those wonderful parents...now who's stupid?
@T-P-, you never listened to your parents and abused the freedom they died to protect only to preserve your own perversion. Bad kids. Learn history and respect the elderly.
"Learn history and respect the elderly"
first you need to open a book other than the bible and learn some history. Second, i give respect where respect is due, not because of age.
@Naomi: I didn't listen to my parents b/c I grew up and learned to think for myself. However as a child I went to church diligently as I was expected to and eventually it made no more sense than the easter bunny or Santa. I have taken the time to learn history and educate myself...science wins here regardless of what you may think. History also states very clearly that numerous wars have and are still going on as the result of religion. I have a great deal of respect for the elderly, just not the belief system most hold.
You are an evil person with no respect for anything but a god that will never be proven. Why is it impossible for you to not live the one life you are guaranteed of without stepping on the toes of everyone? Your parents did a poor job in raising you...no morals outside of a book that preaches abuse; murder; bigotry; hate. Great belief system you have there.
@T-P-, you don't remember a thing from Sunday school because you were always either sleeping or disrupting the class. Go to Sunday school again; they never talked about things like Easter bunnies or Santa Clause. Learn really, this time.
What happened to the separation of church and state? Americans remove crosses and 10 commandments from everywhere. This church building needs to go, along with all major church buildings that have any historic significance. They are un-con-sti-tu-tional according to anti-christian Americans. This church building is yet another dangerous proof that America was created by Christians for Christians.
The building doesn't need to go...the belief system is represents needs to. This building could be better put to use as a day-care or homeless shelter or soup kitchen.
And btw: are you not always the one whining about how separation of church and state has destroyed the country? that the USA is a Christian Nation? A little hypocritical now...aren't you??
please open a book other than the bible and actually educate yourself on the foundation of our country.
@T-P-, it's sarcasm. Stripped of Christianity, the West has nothing but barbarism.
Stripped of religion, the world has nothing left to kill over.
Atheists conducted the maga massacre the world has ever known last century alone and they were quickly taken down by Christians. Atheists were more murderous than Nazis.
"Atheists conducted the maga massacre the world has ever known last century alone and they were quickly taken down by Christians. Atheists were more murderous than Nazis."
Example? In the words of my math professor, "Show your work."
The old Eastern Europe, Stalin's Soviet, Mao's China, Kim's Korea, Pol Pot's Cambodia, Castro's Cuba and all abortion clinics and some science labs.
@Naomi – because "death rows" full of murders who were unwanted children are better than abortion clinics? Tell that to the families of the people that they murdered. People who WERE loved and are missed!
Naomi is just a Christian version of Mao –she is a tyrannical, dictatorial zealot. Good thing she has no power, and will not be given it by any rational person.
De-christianized Westerners can no longer create any great music, great literature, or great architecture. Secular West is only good for polluting the planet.
Hmmm... Such as the Deists that helped found this country? Perhaps we should talk a moment about "Christian" George Washington, who ordered the extermination of the Six Nations in upstate New York in 1778?
America's Deity was the God of the Bible. No other.
George Washington ordered that? Get out of USA, you, so that the Six Nations could regain the land again.
@Naomi – Which bible is that? The christian bible that's full of lies? Talking snakes and people living to be 969, and Cain's wife appearing from nowhere? Zombies like Lazurus (who was likely buried while in a coma, not dead) if he even existed, and Jesus, whose body was stolen by his brother James, so that HE may set up HIS church?.
@Aguest, There is only one Bible. Our planet was in a different mode in the pre-flood era. Cain married her younger sister.
Jesus rose from the dead. Many even died for that testimony. One never dies for a lie knowingly. Hundreds did see the resurrected Jesus.