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August 29th, 2011
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For Muslim family, faith complicates grief for loved one lost on 9/11By Jessica Ravitz, CNN Edmond, Oklahoma (CNN) - His smiling image has been cut out of a snapshot and carefully added to a photo of his father, so it looks as if he is standing beside the man. It smacks of a bad Photoshop job, but it gives the two a shared moment, even though they never met. The boy's sister, Fahina, is 15 and clings to scant memories and aging photographs. But Farqad, almost 10, has nothing. She remembers sitting beside their father on amusement park rides, his words - "Look at my daughter; she's so brave" - soothing her nerves; she still thinks of him whenever she's on a rollercoaster. She leaned on his legs when he watched basketball on TV and imagined him cheering her on when she played the sport after he was gone. She recalls being driven to see Harvard University, before she even started elementary school, and dreams of attending an Ivy League school to make him proud. Read the full story about a Muslim family's grief 10 years after 9/11
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Human Dignity;
human dignity.4 Even if this abstract term 'dignity' can not be defined with ...... environment, as well as to combat pollution, corruption and other man- made ..... governance on issues that concern a person's individual, social and physical ...
http://www.epu.ac.at/epu/research/Chawda.pdf
Yesterday muslims rioted in an amusement park which has no-hat law due to safety regulations. Fine - rag women want to wear ragtops. The park should allow them: stapled to the hajis heads!
How amazing really... In all Islamic and non Islamic countries there are amusement parks with all types of amusements but never heard that any had to take off any headgears before they can ride...???
Just wonder if any amusement park in India had enforced upon sikh the taking off of their headgears before raiding...?!
Think that action meant just to pressurize people to leave back their cultural significance....!!
Though agree with you that certain amusement rides are dangerous as those which depends on speed and need that there should not be any loose gears ends such as headgears or loose unsecured coats and jackets...!
But still am sure there were other ways to explain that to them with out being loudly rude or by pushing little girls to the ground floor....?!
It is no good to explain after insulting and bringing the attention of all those were in the park towards them group...the way this case was handled was in away containing the true (((Essence))) of insulting discrimination...!! After all them group were at an amusement park and not at a concentration camp...!?! But as it seems "Customer Always Right" is not workable for an amusement park or only for non immigrants...!
Wanna know proof that Mohammed was creator of Quran (Koran):
http://www.faithfreedom.org/articles/op-ed/prophet-mohammad-was-an-apostate-of-islam/
To know that Islam is peace go to http://faithfreedom.org
Yes, your Mohammed's book is certainly one of peace. That's why the Muslim part of the world is SO ADVANCED and SO AGREEABLE. Everyone gets along! I have never seen such a peace-loving people!! Pull your turban out, Hajii.
Putting the damper on Muslim celebrations:
What instigated the attack on the Twin Towers and the Pentagon? And what drives today's 24/7 mosque/imam-planned acts of terror and horror? The koran, Mohammed's book of death for all infidels and Muslim domination of the world by any means. Muslims must clean up this book removing said passages admitting that they are based on the Gabriel myth and therefore obviously the hallucinations and/or lies of Mohammed. Then we can talk about the safety and location of mosques and what is taught therein. Until then, no male or female Muslim can be trusted anytime or anywhere..................................
You fascist?
Anyhow, about thirty-thousand killed every year only in road accidents in the U.S., not counting injured. in the past ten years over four-hundred-thousand killed in this. So, where is the 'war against road terror'? Where is your condemnation of this and of science without which there would not be this horror? Have you even ever cleaned up at least one road accident with fatalities? Or do you simply count it as 'collateral damage of freedom' ?
Hmm.!! Is that it then? Should have expected..how did that pass my mind all that very long time....!? Guess then no colored person is safe here Muslim or not Muslim...!!
Ladervijd.
Can you please explain to me if this "fascist" thing comes along as in one color or in many different colors??
There may be various definitions of 'fascism'. As i see it, there are/can-be various forms of fascism, not only the fascist political state as known by Nazi Germany and other countries. Discrimination, nice wordplay there btw in discriminator dissing crime, anyways, discrimination can quickly lead to fascism, if such discrimination is not already part of organized fascism. Discrimination has various forms too. Often it comes down to discriminators having inferiority complex, with forms of discrimination being about basically anything: i.e. so-called colour of skin, hair, so-called disabilities, ..., incl. things as persons, who have sinful lives rationalizing so that they always come out on top in everything (in hallucinations), being more or less jealous of other persons who have at least a bit (more) spiritual depth than persons clinging to consumerism and hallucinations about s3x, life and love. So yeah, the grey of fascism comes in various tones.
The Twenty (or so) Worst Things People Have Done to Each Other:
http://necrometrics.com/warstatz.htm#u (required reading)
The Muslim Conquest of India
"The likely death toll is somewhere between 2 million and 80 million. The geometric mean of those two limits is 12.7 million. "
Rank <<<Death Toll <Cause <<Centuries<<<Religions/Groups involved*
1. 63 million Second World War 20C (Christians et al and Communists/atheists vs. Christians et al, Nazi-Pagan and "Shintoists")
2. 40 million Mao Zedong (mostly famine) 20C (Communism)
3. 40 million Genghis Khan 13C (Shamanism or Tengriism)
4. 27 million British India (mostly famine) 19C (Anglican)
5. 25 million Fall of the Ming Dynasty 17C (Buddhism, Taoism, Confucianism, Chinese folk religion)
6. 20 million Taiping Rebellion 19C ( Confucianism, Buddhism and Chinese folk religion vs. a form of Christianity)
7. 20 million Joseph Stalin 20C (Communism)
8. 19 million Mideast Slave Trade 7C-19C (Islam)
9. 17 million Timur Lenk 14C-15C
10. 16 million Atlantic Slave Trade 15C-19C (Christianity)
11. 15 million First World War 20C (Christians vs. Christians)
12. 15 million Conquest of the Americas 15C-19C (Christians vs. Pagans)
13. 13 million Muslim Conquest of India 11C-18C
14. 10 million An Lushan Revolt 8C
15. 10 million Xin Dynasty 1C
16. 9 million Russian Civil War 20C (Christians vs Communists)
17. 8 million Fall of Rome 5C (Pagans vs. Pagans)
18. 8 million Congo Free State 19C-20C (Christians)
19. 7½ million Thirty Years War 17C (Christians vs Christians)
20. 7½ million Fall of the Yuan Dynasty 14C
Reality, the Christian crimes against humanity were done in the name of Christianity but without any connection to the philosophy. The writers of the time all preached against the horrific abuses and were murdered, exiled or otherwise silenced by the POLITICAL leaders who hijacked the religion for their selfish ends.
Your post meaning that no one of any religion should be trusted, and Christians shot straight away? Wait, there is pagans and communists in that list too, so not trust anyone? Everyone is the enemy of everyone else? Wait again, there is one group that isn't in that in that list – so-called nazi(-christians).. O.o
Anyways, the actual link for what you copied and edited is:
http://necrometrics.com/pre1700a.htm#20worst
jshelley, in instances, political and/or economical leaders, also when secular appoints church positions. A lot of it comes down to definitions and to "what are we actually talking about?" though.
Lader-v.
Thank you that was very clear but just wonder what could be behind such feeling;
"Often it comes down to discriminators having inferiority complex"?!?
Well I have came across this person for many times,he always claimed being a Scientifical Atheist....but never knew if by being that "Hate has to be revealed"?
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Rise of the Planet of the Apes represent The devil's delusion – viewpoint of an agnostic on science based atheism ...
http://www.amazon.com/Devils-Delusion-Atheism-Scientific-Pretensions/product-reviews/0465019374
The Devil's Delusion: Atheism and its Scientific Pretensions ... 5.0 out of 5 stars An Agnostic Weighs In, April 3, 2008 .... to prove an anti-religious point of view, and how that twisting promises so much and delivers so little. ... has come to be known as scientism (the atheistic religion that pretends that it is based on science ). ...
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Atheism | Minds and Brains
philosophyandpsychology.com/?tag=atheism
While interesting from a theoretical perspective, I don't take this finite or limited concept of God ... Atheism: An atheist is a person who does not believe in God ( but not ... come up with based on hundreds of years of sustained inquiry is that science is ..... of stars, galaxies, planets, organisms, mammals, apes, and humans, etc. ...
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The Anatomy of Fascism, by Robert O. Paxton
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http://atheism.about.com/od/bookreviews/fr/AnatomyFascism.htm
Everyone knows about fascism, but not everyone quite knows what fascism is. Indeed, does anyone really know what fascism is? That’s an important question: fascism is such a diverse political and social phenomenon that it seems to be used more as an epithet than as a serious political category. The existence of fascist political movements seems undeniable, but how are we to get a handle on what they are, where they come from, and most importantly, how to deal with them when they appear?
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Atheists & Fascism:
http://atheism.about.com/od/aboutatheism/p/AtheistPolitics.htm
I have no data on atheists who have adopted any forms of fascism, but there's nothing about fascism which would necessarily exclude people who don't believe in any gods. It's likely that being fascist would be challenging for an atheist because, like conservatism, fascism relies heavily on traditional symbols and myths which are often religious or connected to religion. Anyone who doesn't accept these symbols and myths would have trouble reconciling themselves to fascist politics.
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Again we are lost as to what they could be...!?!
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Know your self from Samples of Atheists summarized in Top Ten list:
Quote;
10 People Who Give Atheism a Bad Name
Atheism has been around for thousands of years, and responsible for many philosophical and scientific developments. Like any movement, it has had its fair share of evil characters. As atheism has no moral precepts, outside of natural morality and ethics, it is hard to say how their atheism influenced their behavior or the particular political and similar movements they chose to follow. It seems that no matter what philosophy or religion people profess, people will always do wrong, whether or not in the name of their faith. This list is a follow-on from the Top 10 People Who Give Christianity A Bad Name.
http://listverse.com/2010/06/05/10-people-who-give-atheism-a-bad-name/
"Often it comes down to discriminators having inferiority complex"?!?
Simplified, jealousy. Eg. someone from a so-called broken family being jealous of every family where there are natural family ties and such.
Also, eg. someone who gets thrown out of university for not meeting academical standards, and 'starts science' which is anti-academical/dogmatical.
To me, U.S. atheism seems largely as business-driven intellectual non-sense, eg. claims that A. Hitler was a Christian (based on 'logic' of atheists being saints i guess), respectivly (partially) sincere thoughts being misused in lies and slander campaigns.
Well now we seem to have two movements here rather than one and each claims Magnificence over others;
Atheism;
As atheism has no moral precepts, outside of natural morality and ethics, it is hard to say how their atheism influenced their behavior or the particular political and similar movements they chose to follow.
Fascism;
An fascism relies heavily on traditional symbols and myths which are often religious or connected to religion. Anyone who doesn't accept these symbols and myths would have trouble reconciling themselves to fascist politics.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
Just came across the following by article on spiegel.de:
http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2011/08/islamophobia.html
http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2011/08/islamophobia.html
'Non-sense. Eg. Breivik is a martyr, not a terrorist who was encouraged by extremist americans.' (sarcasm about big loads of hypocrits)
'And, who doesn't transfer funds is a terrorist and not patriotic.'
For small payments:
iBAN: CZ60 0800 0000 0016 0209 7123
BiC: GiBACZPX
Seriously, these organizations and persons get millions in funds, all legally and with applause, furthering U.S. costs and casualties, not caring about victims and emergency crews, and i have to beg for any kind of financial support? You know, if at least all available funds and taxes would be spent on reasonable things, i would be quiet regarding personal money (not talking about lack of proper raw data to work with), but this is at least ridiculous.
@VampireJack – you say that mentioning "crusades" and "racist" are the usual leftie attack, so is your rant usual for someone on the right? Are you talking about religion or politics? The fact that you start one of your statements with "I'm also pretty certain..." shows that you are just talking out of your backside, nice try though, keep crying and complaining it will get you far in life.
A prayer to the almighty for comfort and Hope for all those that are grieving over the loss of a loved one!
They should fight for the rights of infidels who are suffering in all Islamic land.
What instigated the attack on the Twin Towers and the Pentagon? And what drives today's 24/7 mosque/imam-planned acts of terror and horror? The koran, Mohammed's book of death for all infidels and Muslim domination of the world by any means. Muslims must clean up this book removing said passages admitting that they are based on the Gabriel myth and therefore obviously the hallucinations and/or lies of Mohammed. Then we can talk about the safety and location of mosques and what is taught therein. Until then, no male or female Muslim can be trusted anytime or anywhere..................................
So far this family has not recommended any changes in the koran putting them in the "cannot be trusted" category.
So sad that you have so much hate in your heart, just like those who attacked the Towers and Pentagon that day. You obviously have a "Glen Beck" understanding of the Koran – incomplete and ignorant.
I don't think the words you typed would ever come out of the mouth of Jesus.
The Five Steps To Deprogram 1400 Years of Islamic Myths:
( –The Steps take less than two minutes to finish- simply amazing, two minutes to bring peace and rationality to over one billion lost souls- Priceless!!!)
Are you ready?
Using "The 77 Branches of Islamic "faith" a collection compiled by Imam Bayhaqi as a starting point. In it, he explains the essential virtues that reflect true "faith" (iman) through related Qur’anic verses and Prophetic sayings." i.e. a nice summary of the Koran and Islamic beliefs.
The First Five of the 77 Branches:
"1. Belief in Allah"
aka as God, Yahweh, Zeus, Jehovah, Mother Nature, etc. should be added to your cleansing neurons.
"2. To believe that everything other than Allah was non-existent. Thereafter, Allah Most High created these things and subsequently they came into existence."
Evolution and the Big Bang or the "Gi-b G-nab" (when the universe starts to recycle) are more plausible and the "akas" for Allah should be included if you continue to be a "crea-tionist".
"3. To believe in the existence of angels."
A major item for neuron cleansing. Angels/de-vils are the mythical creations of ancient civilizations, e.g. Hitt-ites, to explain/define natural events, contacts with their gods, big birds, sudden winds, protectors during the dark nights, etc. No "pretty/ug-ly wingy thingies" ever visited or talked to Mohammed, Jesus, Mary or Joseph or Joe Smith. Today we would classify angels as f–airies and "tin–ker be-lls". Modern de-vils are classified as the de-mons of the de-mented.
"4. To believe that all the heavenly books that were sent to the different prophets are true. However, apart from the Quran, all other books are not valid anymore."
Another major item to delete. There are no books written in the spirit state of Heaven (if there is one) just as there are no angels to write/publish/distribute them. The Koran, OT, NT etc. are simply books written by humans for humans.
Prophets were invented by ancient scribes typically to keep the un-educated masses in line. Today we call them for-tune tellers.
Prophecies are also invali-dated by the natural/God/Allah gifts of Free Will and Future.
"5. To believe that all the prophets are true. However, we are commanded to follow the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him)
alone."
Mohammed spent thirty days "fasting" (the Ramadan legend) in a hot cave before his first contact with Allah aka God etc. via a "pretty wingy thingy". Common sense demands a neuron deletion of #5. #5 is also the major source of Islamic vi-olence i.e. turning Mohammed's "fast, hunger-driven" hallu-cinations into horrible reality for unbelievers.
Walk these Five Steps and we guarantee a complete recovery from your Islamic ways!!!!
Unfortunately, there are not many Muslim commentators/readers on this blog so the "two-minute" cure is not getting to those who need it. If you have a Muslim friend, send him a copy and help save the world.
Analogous steps are available at your request for deprogramming the myths of Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism and Paganism..
So sad that you have so much hate in your heart, just like those who attacked the Towers and Pentagon that day. You obviously have a "Glen Beck" understanding of the Koran – incomplete and ignorant.
"I don't think the words you typed would ever come out of the mouth of Jesus."
Well, I don't think that he is actually comparing himself to Jesus, or is claiming that Jesus would say these things.
What Jesus would have said is "beware false prophets" – and lo an behold, along comes mohammed who stole the divinity away from Jesus – any Christian who "respects" Islam may as well "respect" Satanists for their beliefs too – as they would blaspheme the Divinity also. Yes, and they would also claim that their belief system comes from the Abrahamic Faith.
I'm also pretty certain that the 9.11 suicide murderers also understood the quran much more than you do, as did Osama Bin Laden. So, if it's down to who understands the quran more, well you can see what it made them do.
Now, reply with "crusades" "how many people did Christians kill" and "racist!" if you want. That is the usual leftie attack on people who don't have the heads buried in the sand, thinking the world is all flowers and fairy dust.
V-Jack.
Am sure not only would have Jesus warned from false Prophets but as well from the False Realities that are driving people further away from religions...
Can I ask you if a "Fascist" would be a person from a certain race or he can be from different multi cultured races?
Well I have came across this person for many times,he always claimed being a Scientifical Atheist....but never knew if by being that "Hate has to be revealed"?
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Quote;
Rise of the Planet of the Apes represent The devil's delusion – viewpoint of an agnostic on science based atheism ...
http://www.amazon.com/Devils-Delusion-Atheism-Scientific-Pretensions/product-reviews/0465019374
The Devil's Delusion: Atheism and its Scientific Pretensions ... 5.0 out of 5 stars An Agnostic Weighs In, April 3, 2008 .... to prove an anti-religious point of view, and how that twisting promises so much and delivers so little. ... has come to be known as scientism (the atheistic religion that pretends that it is based on science ). ...
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Atheism | Minds and Brains
philosophyandpsychology.com/?tag=atheism
While interesting from a theoretical perspective, I don't take this finite or limited concept of God ... Atheism: An atheist is a person who does not believe in God ( but not ... come up with based on hundreds of years of sustained inquiry is that science is ..... of stars, galaxies, planets, organisms, mammals, apes, and humans, etc. ...
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The Anatomy of Fascism, by Robert O. Paxton
About.com Rating5 Star Rating
Be the first to write a review
By Austin Cline, About.com Guide
http://atheism.about.com/od/bookreviews/fr/AnatomyFascism.htm
Everyone knows about fascism, but not everyone quite knows what fascism is. Indeed, does anyone really know what fascism is? That’s an important question: fascism is such a diverse political and social phenomenon that it seems to be used more as an epithet than as a serious political category. The existence of fascist political movements seems undeniable, but how are we to get a handle on what they are, where they come from, and most importantly, how to deal with them when they appear?
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Atheists & Fascism:
http://atheism.about.com/od/aboutatheism/p/AtheistPolitics.htm
I have no data on atheists who have adopted any forms of fascism, but there's nothing about fascism which would necessarily exclude people who don't believe in any gods. It's likely that being fascist would be challenging for an atheist because, like conservatism, fascism relies heavily on traditional symbols and myths which are often religious or connected to religion. Anyone who doesn't accept these symbols and myths would have trouble reconciling themselves to fascist politics.
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Unquote:
Again we are lost as to what they could be...!?!
This is a know your self kit " Samples of Atheists summarized in a Top Ten list:
Quote;
10 People Who Give Atheism a Bad Name
Atheism has been around for thousands of years, and responsible for many philosophical and scientific developments. Like any movement, it has had its fair share of evil characters. As atheism has no moral precepts, outside of natural morality and ethics, it is hard to say how their atheism influenced their behavior or the particular political and similar movements they chose to follow. It seems that no matter what philosophy or religion people profess, people will always do wrong, whether or not in the name of their faith. This list is a follow-on from the Top 10 People Who Give Christianity A Bad Name.
http://listverse.com/2010/06/05/10-people-who-give-atheism-a-bad-name/
Unquote:
I didn't get the whole story, I'm presumming that her father was killed in the 9/11 attack.
Yes, it's a sad story of a soon-to-be father of two who was Muslim and died in the 9/11 attacks. It talks about the life of the widow and her kids now, the older daughter who is motivated to move on and up in the world, and the boy who is just approaching the age of understanding what really happened ten years ago.
When the boy understands "what really happened", please tell him to tell us. WTC 7 really, really bothers me.
It's a great story. Too bad I'm only able to think of the error in word choice between "enlist" and "elicit"...as in a visit to Chuck E Cheez. A thesaurus and dictionary are wonderful, often undiscovered tools for writers.
Link to "Full Story" does not work.
edition. cnn. com/2011/US/08/29/911.muslim.widow/index.html
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/US/08/29/911.muslim.widow/index.html