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August 30th, 2011
03:55 PM ET
Polygamist leader Jeffs critical but responsive, prison officials sayBy the CNN Wire Staff Dallas (CNN) - Polygamist leader Warren Jeffs remained in critical condition in a Texas hospital on Tuesday, but was not in a coma and is expected to recover, state prison officials said. Jeffs fell ill while fasting in a prison in Palestine, Texas, where he is serving a life-plus-20-year term for sexual assault, Texas Department of Criminal Justice spokesman Jason Clark said. But while a source familiar with Jeffs' condition told CNN Monday that the leader of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was in a coma, Clark said Tuesday that Jeffs was conscious. "He's somewhat sedated, but he is responsive," Clark wrote. Read the full story here. |
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BAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAAAAA!!! Are you people reading what this "Elder Bruce" flake is writing about? I just about went into a coma myself from laughing so hard!
Go on, defend your pedophile prophet. Blame the greedy and the evil for his crimes. When I meet you in hades mark my words I will spit in your eye!
he is an evil, evil man. he just wants to die and join satan in hell. lol. let him starve himself or just leave a rope in this cell with a hang man's noose tied in it. he really , really, does not deserve to live. he has destroyed the lives of many of his followers.
If he survives, do you think they will allow Jeffs conjugal visits? Maybe 3 at a time... ?
Curious in Arizona
David
You sir are a pervert. We have such a respect for the intimacy between a husband and his wives that yOu would never understand.
@Hoo-, Einstein admitted that certain things are at God's sphere alone. Honest scientist or honest scholars have such humility.
@CrystalRiver
BTW "...stayed humble like Einstein and refrain from making religious comments since spirituality is not his field. ..."
Anybody who has read Einstein knows this statement to be false.
the bird doth kiss the morning sky
the flower kiss the butterfly
the dew doth kiss the early grass
but you my friend may kiss my...
Hey Herbert. I am confused. I have read many posts from you disdaining evolution and saying that Genesis is literally true, no?
@colin
Best name one,otherwise the assessment that you're a liar still stands unchallenged.I recall kicking the snot out of seven Biblical points you made one time, but nothing on Genesis per se.The possibility exists that another used the name herbert juarez, but if they did I haven't seen a Genesis post.Quote it (the post) and I'll either acknowledge it or dispute it, but don't assume.
Ok Herbert, I accept that you think that the first part of the Bible is a pile of childish garbage.
@ colin
You think yourself intelligent?To me you are a habitual liar and not worthy of even the bogus respect of your ill informed peer group.
As suspected colin can not back up his accusations ,other than to try to put false words on someone else, thus proving himself a common and habitual liar, traits that will prove essential in the extreme minority of humanity that is atheism.For the other 99.9 %of us he is shown for what he is,even a child in known by his doings.
@herbert juarez
I have great admiration for Colin's posts. You seem to be interested in attacking the person, rather than the argument the person is presenting.
Cheers!
Thanks DJ
Herbert. Let’s see:
Today, you wrote
“The Passover, appears to represent an image of Gods judgement,reserved for the end of time.The sad truth is that those not covered by the blood of Christ will be subject to judgement.The blood on the doorposts of the "lamb" of God,signified the power of God to deliver His people from the imminent judgement.It was actually Pharoah and the Egyptians who set the standard for judgement.Each of the plagues represented a false god sacred to the Egyptians , and Pharoah himself called for the destruction of the Hebrew children.God is not willing that any should perish and has provide opportunity for all to come under His protection,by accepting the atoning gift of Jesus,Immanuel the living Son of God.
Next you reference the flood,several possibilities exist as to the why.One suggestion is that angelic beings kept not their first estate.Angels ,the sons of God looked on the daughters of men and cohabited with them creating a race of mutants or giants that would have destroyed the human race as we know it.These creatures were evil incarnate, and left to continue, none of us would exist.Another possibility is that God seeing and knowing all things was grieved at the direction mankind had chosen to go,and that as things stood there would be no future at all unless corrective measures were taken.I favor the Enoch explanation,even though the young were destroyed as well, they were already mutant.If it wasn't for the flood you and I would probably have never existed.
Finally, judgement isn't murder.We may not like it but there is a death penalty involved.The wages of sin is death.We as a society execute people for specific crimes against humanity.God does no less.”
In other words, you believe
(i) That angels came down to earth and slaughtered a series of children
(ii) The plagues of Egypt
(iii) Noah’s flood
But to cap it all off, my favorite of all, for which I will quote you directly: “Angels ,the sons of God looked on the daughters of men and cohabited with them creating a race of mutants or giants that would have destroyed the human race as we know it. These creatures were evil incarnate, and left to continue, none of us would exist.”
You can see why a guy might think you take Genesis literally.
@david johnson
In this instance colin has been proven a liar , not suggested ,not personal attack, a statement of fact.All you "atheists" have a lot of trouble with the truth, colin got caught at it repeatedly ,sorry if that pops your cork but there it is.He was given the opportunity to prove his false contention, which he ignored ,read all the posts before commenting and you'll look ever so much more intelligent or follow colin blindly,whichever you choose makes no difference to me.
Actually colin if you had read the actual post you 'd see that your interpretation is way off.1. Angels slaughtering children? not in my post.To start with the first born could be any number of ages , but I never mentioned angels. 2.plagues of Egypt?So whats your point?Actual plagues?Doesn't translate to a 6000 year old earth does it?3.Noahs flood?The scenario given was from the book of Enoch, not Genesis.When you assume ... bottom line you are a liar and a person of low character.
@CrystalRiver
Group 1 Science has questions that may never be answered.
Group 2 Religion has answers that may never be questioned.
Science is not a belief system. It is an evidentiary process. What is held to be true in the world can (and has many times throughout history) be changed overnight by new evidence.
It appears you belong to group 2.
@Hoovervilles
You got it!
A big difference in faith based religion and evidence based science is: In science, if the facts don’t fit the theory, the theory is modified or tossed out. In religion, if the facts don’t fit the theory, the facts are tossed out. People reject evidence and the findings of science because they conflict with their religious assumptions. Believers are deluded. They have problems distinguishing fantasy from reality.
Many Creationists are "accepting" an old earth, because the evidence is so overwhelming. What I find funny, is that they are now claiming Genesis was originally incorrectly interpreted. Apparently the 6 days of creation were never literal days.
You can lead a believer to truth, but you can't make him think.
Cheers!
Elder Bruce – I am sorry – it wasn't the LDS that put Jeff's in jail, it was his actions! Society and God does not condone molestation of children! There is nothing heavenly about his perversions! You are pointing the finger in the wrong direction my friend – LDS decided long ago polygamy was wrong – your sect believes differently. Do you see the rest of the world living this way? Do you see other religions living this way? Think about it. What Warren Jeff's did was morally, spiritually, ethically and legally WRONG – that is what put him in jail!
Beware the LDS Church has deceived you. They give the US government lip service. They have not truly abandoned polygamy. If a LDS mans wife dies he is allowed to go to their temple and be sealed to another woman. So the 3 of them can be together in the Celestial Kingdom. They still endorse it. Look at D&C 132 at lds.org they have not removed this.
Belive me when the USA fails Mitt Romney will rise up and enforce polygamy in all of the Western states. I'm sure he will drive us underground confiscating our brides and children.
The prophet Warren Jeffs has never married an underaged woman. All of his 647 wives were of legal age. I have 6 of my daughters that were blessed to be sealed to him fro time and all eternity.
Don't Belive the LDS Church Machine that speeds lies and rumors about us. Why do they find us a threat? Ask yourself they. We are 40,000 only who could we hurt?
He is critical *WHACK*, but he is responsive. See? *WHACK* he is responding well to stimuli. *WHACK* I think he likes it *WHACK* Do you want to try? *WHACK* Yeah, that's it. Do it again *WHACK*. Hmm. I think he stopped moving...
Oh children of Satan you mock the one and true Mormons prophet of
God. Your heavenly father has called the prophet Warren Jeffs to be a becon in these perils times. Will Obama save you? No!
Beware of the great counterfeit false prophets of the LDS Church they are not true Mormons. The true Mormons you will find oh The Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Later Day Saint. Romney is an agent of the LDS Machine bent on wealth and greed. The build their fake temples all over the planet. Do not be deceived.
He better not die yet. The last thing anyone needs is for this D-Bag to become a martyr to unhinged zealots. Organized religion blows. No religion is more important then how we treat other people. You know. . . .the Golden Rule?
You a a lost soul. The lord has prepared his Church with the Holly Melkedadick Priesthood. Who would be our next leader is not ours to ask. This work will not die out. We are not zealots, just simple people who Belive is fallowing or Heavenly Fathers teaching so we can one day return to live with him and our families.
I'm looking forward to hearing that Jeffs is "still seriously dead", as the old SNL crew from way back would say!
I saw this blog, and I had to ask: this creep did what to merit any on-going concern from anyone for anything?
Agreed...
It's not concern. Its Schadenfreude. I personally want to see a video of Jeffs getting donkey punched by a real donkey.
I really like donkeys.
These are all lies spread by the LDS Church. We continue the work started by the lords servant the prophet Joseph Smith. Would God comand us to practice the law of polygamy only to change his mind?
The LDS Church is in a state of apostasy. We continue the traditions set forth by our Heavenly Father. If you read something about us that you find unbearable, please pray to God and he will show you that these are false rumors spread by the LDS Church and their army of white shirt crew cut Arian soldiers.
The Prophet Warren Jeffs is a political prisoner who was sent to prison by the wealthy LDS Church. They will do anything to stop the true Mormons of this world. They say we are confused and teaching things that do not belong in modern times. Does God change?
@Elder Bruce R. Kimball jr. Your whole backwards modern mythology is a lie. Moronism was made up by a charalatan who's own wife thought he was full of crap, prob why he wanted more. Just a giant unnecessary pile crap sold to stupid people.
Steve
How dare you speak I'll of Emma Smith. She was a blessed woman who was deceived by those who rose up after our prophet was martyred by the dirty filthy Gentiles.
The devil the god of this world is doing everything he can to destroy the grand reputation of the true Prophet Warren Jeffs. He destroyed the Prophet Joseph but was the Book of Mormon swept away to the dust bin of history? NO!
I swear unto all you Gentiles that if the Prophet dies as a prisoner of the evil state of Texas. We will only grow stronger. Since this persecution started I have personally converted 4 young ladies from the LDS Church. 2 have given me 3 daughters that will help continue this great work when they turn 18.
Within the next 100 years we will have our kingdom free of hate and persecution.
Mormons need to read the Bible and trust in Jesus' divine atonement alone for salvation. Do Mormons own CNN? Why is this guy on CNN news all the time? He is serving the term for his crimes. Please leave him alone, media. If he repents or dies, let us know.
BS... All of you need to read Dawkins.... Read ANYTHING but the bible... Just put that NOVEL, the bible, away.!!
Dawkins' = wild sci-fi fictions that made secular America all the more evil. He did not read or comprehend the Bible yet attacks it. Utmost unscientific and un-scholarly. He still cannot answer why there is something instead of nothing, anyway.
Crystal – what you are doing here is called projection. Dawkins is a world renowned biologist. He lives for science. The bible, on the other hand, is based on divine revelation and faith. Neither of which are scientific.
*points* EEEEVVVVIIIILL!! EEEEVVVIIIL! : basically what that means is... some red skinned evil dude with horns is going to hurt you real bad. After you are dead. Really. (are you scared yet?). You should repent to my invisible imaginary friend. If you don't, you'll suffer an eternity in a quas-dimensional space of suffering located somewhere below the Earth's crust (are you scared yet?). No, the cavernous space has never been detected by seismologists. But don't worry about that. It is there. Believe me. I know, because a man that wears a dress and a bronze age book told me so.
@mc
that's not what is being said ,you ignorant wretch ,your theology is worse than your science.
@Herbert Juarez
Troll?
Not sure, but this religioso didn't know that Luke is in the new testament.
@self
It's religiose.
Dr, Dawkins should have stayed humble like Einstein and refrain from making religious comments since spirituality is not his field. He also should have confessed that he doesn't know the origin of the world because he doesn't. Who said that creation creates itself? Three-year-olds have better common sense than those pathetic atheistic scientists. Atheists crafts up lies and oppress believers in the science field as they do everywhere else.
@hoovervilles
Couldn't understand what you are trying to say.I am well versed in the Bible, history,content and context and have an ability to see through bs. like you are spewing.Try sobering up and posting again, what you just put out makes you look extremely stupid.
You mean the Albert Einstein that said this: ""It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly."
Anyway the "origin of the world" is not Mr. Dawkin's field, but anyone who has taken a high school science class knows how planets form. Over long periods of time, large amounts of matter coalesces via gravity into the planets and stars we see around us. How do we know this? Because there are hundreds of billions of other solar systems in our galaxy alone, in each of the various stages of the process. There is no reason to think our solar system formed any differently.
====================================== I went on-line to learn why there is an effort made to prevent prisioners from committing suicide and I could not get any reasonable answer–does anyone have a serious answer?
In theory I would say it is because they have the right to "life, liberty...." as supported in the Bill of Rights. It's somewhat of a quandary though, because the justification for the Death Penalty is that an individual has imposed on someone else's rights (in a lethal way, no less!), and in that instance lost the right to live. So, come to think of it, even this rationalization doesn't make sense.
The only explanation I can see is that the government believes that it should be the deciding factor in a death row prisoner (i.e. when he/she should die and why) perhaps in the event of new evidence, perhaps to maintain order, or perhaps just to satisfy a giant governmental ego. I can't really say, but it is peculiar to say the least!
I believe the reason has to do with the fact that he can still apeal his sentence and there for is not conciderd quite proven guilty. In fact new DNA evidence has allowed the exoneration and release of more than 15 death row inmates since 1992 in the United States. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrongful_execution Would have been okay if they had tried to commit suiside and the goverment had not let them. That being said, I am in faver of assisted suicide.
Suicide used to be a crime itself in many states – I don't know if this is still the case. I suspect however it has more to do with humanely attending to the emotional needs of another person. If you get a formal answer I'd be interested.
I would think that if there were a rash of prison suicides, some would wonder how many were really suicides.
==========@EnergyBeing3/4:17============= Good question. Do you think the Vatican has anything to do with it? ==========================
========="_If Jeffs believes himself to be a martyer, let him be. Think of the $$$ it will save. But, that is not the way our country works and I don't know why. Seriouslly can anyone answer that question for me? Isn't it his religious right to die for religious reasons if he wishes? quite franklly I think he is insane and there are places to keep the insane.
Warren Jeffs is in prison for his child abuse actions but then why aren't more Christian Priests put in prison for the same thing? CNN ran a story about how the Church posts 250 names of those who've abuse children.
Good question, and I wonder the exact same thing. Actions for all demand consequences. I know it won't help you much, since you don't believe in this kind of stuff, but God promises justice on them all. (And if you think He'd be furious at a non-believer pedophile, you can't even imagine how He angry He feels about those who supposedly speak on His behalf.)
All the same, I'd like to see some earthly justice too. Society, why aren't these men behind bars? Question's to YOU, Catholic Church.
Because for every vote you bring, you get one "Get out of prison for buggering an Altar Boy card"
We are selling little boys rear ends as part of a political deal with the devil.
Luckily three priest / molesters have been murdered since the scandal broke, and I hope MANY more are to follow.
Well, some believe with the new energies in 2012, there will be more of an "Instant Karma" like existence where we have to deal with our actions that come back to us. I have to admit I like this idea in some respects. It will help make humans accountable for their actions toward each other.
A Theist
Can you imagine God or Christ coming back and telling most of the worlds priests that he never needed them to be his representatives or his enforcers, that is was just their egos in love with power and control that motivated them ... and also let everyone know that the Bible is a total con and a sham. That would rock.
Haha I was with you up until that very last point, but yes. It would be, as the youth say, t0t@l Pwnage!! The funny thing is, Jesus and other people from the Bible said that very thing (except the Bible part of course) is what's going to happen.
As for your first reply, if that does happen in 2012, I just hope the energies aren't run by humans!
@william demuth
You seem so fascinated by all this, are you the buggerer or the buggeree or both?
aww when I saw this I thought someone put him in critical condition....
Why "aww?" If he dies now, he gets off easy...
Who cares, the man is a slimeball..... I say LET THE GUY DIE! Who cares?