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Embattled Tennessee mosque to move forward with construction
The Islamic Center of Murfreesboro has faced intense local opposition over plans to construct a new mosque.
September 2nd, 2011
10:18 PM ET

Embattled Tennessee mosque to move forward with construction

By Jamie Gumbrecht, CNN

It has taken months, but leaders of an embattled Murfreesboro, Tennessee, mosque say that construction of a new facility could start as soon as next month.

The Islamic Center of Murfreesboro has existed for more than a decade. As it surpassed 1,000 worshippers, its members planned to build a new 52,000-square-foot structure with a mosque, gym, playground and cemetery.

Backlash followed, including lawsuits and an August 2010 fire that destroyed construction equipment and damaged vehicles at the construction site for the mosque. Police said it was arson.

A sign announcing the mosque was spray-painted with the words "Not Welcome."

The Murfreesboro Muslim community's story was featured in the April documentary, "Unwelcome: The Muslims Next Door," which will air again at 8 p.m. ET Sunday on CNN.

For months, mosque leaders searched for contractors willing and able to do the job. Because of the opposition and threats the project has provoked, the construction job has gotten more complicated. The work now requires more layers of security, including cameras.

Some contractors weren't willing to take the job. Mosque leaders said contractors told them it had become too much of a hot-button issue and presented too much of a risk to their business and equipment. Several contractors began the bidding process but never finished.

Mosque officials said a contractor told them that he needed the work but that the leaders of his own church were against the new Islamic center.

"I had a contractor tell me, 'I don't want to get on bad terms with my preacher,'" said Essam Fathy, a member of the Islamic Center's board of directors. "I told him, 'You need to be able to do what you believe inside, and tell your preacher what the problem is, and discuss it with him.'

"It hasn't gone as smooth as I thought it would go."

But mosque leaders said several contractors' bids are coming in, and they hope construction will begin next month, before the often rainy fall begins.

Leaders said they never anticipated a negative response to the construction of a new facility, or the national attention it would draw. The debate heats up with every legal motion or political statement, like when Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain said in August that communities should be able to prevent mosques from being built. Cain later apologized.

"We are exhausted. So much media attention, so many calls, so many e-mails," said Imam Ossama Bahloul. "We were all shocked that people were so aggressive to us. We were not anticipating any opposition. I do believe it's a small group of people with a very volatile voice."

This week, a Rutherford County judge affirmed his May decision that the Islamic Center of Murfreesboro has a right to build a larger facility.

In the opinion, Chancellor Robert Corlew said organizations must be treated equally under current land-use ordinances, but added that some of the county's land use laws are "in dire need of revision."

Corlew also wrote that the plaintiffs suing Rutherford County's planning commission can challenge whether the mosque's approval violated open meeting laws.

Joe Brandon Jr., an attorney for the plaintiffs, said they'll be filing paperwork early next week that will lead to a trial date.

"This fight is far from over," Brandon said. "We are confident that victory is certain."

But Fathy, who sits on the Islamic Center's planning commission, said the judge's affirmation was cause to celebrate. Mosque members learned of it during a feast to break the Ramadan fast.

Like most other years, they'd rented a large facility and invited Muslims and non-Muslims, but this was the biggest crowd it had ever drawn.

"Next year, we'll have this event," Fathy said he told the crowd, "and we'll have this in the new Islamic Center."

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Islam • Mosque • Tennessee

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  1. Muneef

    Choose you friends carefully;

    In an authentic Hadith, Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) said: "Man is influenced by the faith of his friends. Therefore, be careful of whom you associate with."

    Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) who has the most noble character and dealings with fellow humans gave us a very clear and simple message and advice in regard to friendship.

    How should we choose our friends? We should choose the friend that believes and abide by our religion (Islam) and gives great respect to what Allah (SWT) and Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) has ordered us. And we should stay away from that who is not well mannered and gives no attention to what Islam is about or what pleases or displeases Allah (SWT), for he will surely affect us negatively. There is no good in the companion drowns us in sins and displeasing Allah (SWT).

    In another Hadith, Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) said: "The example of a good companion and a bad companion is like that of the seller of musk, and the one who blows the blacksmith's bellows. So as for the seller of musk then either he will grant you some, or you buy some from him, or at least you enjoy a pleasant smell from him. As for the one who blows the blacksmith's bellows then either he will burn your clothes or you will get an offensive smell from him."

    When choosing our friends we should ask ourselves first: Are they going to help us achieve the purpose for which we were brought to life? Or will they take us away from it? Will they desire for us Allah (SWT)'s pleasure or is that completely irrelevant to them and not their concern at all? Are they leading us to Paradise or to the Hell?

    Islamic Sayings on FriendshipProphet Mohammad (pbuh) stated, "The believer is like a mirror to other believers (in truthfulness)." Like a mirror, your friend gives you an honest image. He forgives your mistakes, but does not hide or exaggerate your strengths and weaknesses.

    Once the Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) was asked, "What person can be the best friend?" "He who helps you remember Allah (SWT), and reminds you when you forget Him," the Prophet Mohammad (pbuh), counseled.

    Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) was further asked, "Who is the best among people?" Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) replied, "He who, when you look at him, you remember Allah (SWT)". Such a friend reflects qualities of love, mercy, honesty, service, patience, optimism, professionalism, and the entire lifestyle taught by Islam.

     

    'Abdullah ibn 'Umar related that Rasulullah (SAW) said:

    Obey your parents and treat them kindly, for if you do so then your own children will be obedient and kind to you.
    (Tabari)

    September 3, 2011 at 8:01 pm |
    • Reality

      Just some of Mohammed's messages:

      The Muslim Conquest of India – 11th to 18th century

      ■"The likely death toll is somewhere between 2 million and 80 million. The geometric mean of those two limits is 12.7 million. "

      and the 19 million killed in the Mideast Slave Trade 7C-19C by Muslims.

      and more recently

      1a) 179 killed in Mumbai/Bombay, 290 injured

      1b) Assassination of Benazir Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh

      2) 9/11, 3000 mostly US citizens, 1000’s injured

      3) The 24/7 Sunni-Shiite centuries-old blood feud currently being carried out in Iraq, US troops killed in action, 3,483 and 925 in non combat roles. 99,901 – 109,143 Iraqi civilians killed as of 3/3/2011/, mostly due to suicide bombers, http://www.iraqbodycount.org/ and http://www.defenselink.mil/news/casualty.pdf

      4) Kenya- In Nairobi, about 212 people were killed and an estimated 4000 injured; in Dar es Salaam, the attack killed at least 11 and wounded 85.[2]

      5) Bali-in 2002-killing 202 people, 164 of whom were foreign nationals, and 38 Indonesian citizens. A further 209 people were injured.

      6) Bali in 2005- Twenty people were killed, and 129 people were injured by three bombers who killed themselves in the attacks.

      7) Spain in 2004- killing 191 people and wounding 2,050.

      8. UK in 2005- The bombings killed 52 commuters and the four radical Islamic suicide bombers, injured 700.

      9) The execution of an eloping couple in Afghanistan on 04/15/2009 by the Taliban.

      10) – Afghanistan: US troops 1,141 killed in action, 242 killed in non-combat situations as of 03/03/2011. Over 40,000 Afghan civilians killed due to the dark-age, koranic-driven Taliban acts of horror

      11) The killing of 13 citizen soldiers at Ft. Hood by a follower of the koran.

      12) 38 Russian citizens killed on March 29, 2010 by Muslim women suicide bombers.

      13) The May 28, 2010 attack on a Islamic religious minority in Pakistan, which have left 98 dead,

      14) Lockerbie is known internationally as the site where, on 21 December 1988, the wreckage of Pan Am Flight 103 crashed as a result of a terrorist bomb. In the United Kingdom the event is referred to as the Lockerbie disaster, the Lockerbie bombing, or simply Lockerbie. Eleven townspeople were killed in Sherwood Crescent, where the plane's wings and fuel tanks plummeted in a fiery explosion, destroying several houses and leaving a huge crater, with debris causing damage to a number of buildings nearby. The 270 fatalities (259 on the plane, 11 in Lockerbie) were citizens of 21 nations.

      15 The daily suicide and/or roadside and/or mosque bombings in the terror world of Islam.

      16) Bombs sent from Yemen by followers of the koran which fortunately were discovered before the bombs were detonated.

      17) The killing of 58 Christians in a Catholic church in one of the latest acts of horror and terror in Iraq.

      18) Moscow airport suicide bombing: 35 dead, 130 injured. January 25, 2011.

      19) A Pakistani minister, who had said he was getting death threats because of his stance against the country's controversial blasphemy law, was shot and killed Wednesday, 3/2/2011

      20) two American troops killed in Germany by a recently radicalized Muslim, 3/3/2011

      21) the kidnapping and apparent killing of a follower of Zoraster in the dark world of Islamic Pakistan.

      22) Shariatpur, Bangladesh (CNN 3/30/2011) - Hena Akhter's last words to her mother proclaimed her innocence. But it was too late to save the 14-year-old girl. Her fellow villagers in Bangladesh's Shariatpur district had already passed harsh judgment on her. Guilty, they said, of having an affair with a married man. The imam from the local mosque ordered the fatwa, or religious ruling, and the punishment: 101 lashes delivered swiftly, deliberately in public. Hena dropped after 70 and died a week later.

      September 4, 2011 at 12:02 am |
    • Siyajkak

      Those weren't the acts of Mohammad. Those were the acts of other people, under free will

      September 4, 2011 at 12:13 am |
    • Awkward Situations

      Can you be friends with atheists? Or is that out of the question?

      September 4, 2011 at 1:15 am |
    • Reality

      o Mohammed, His Followers and World Domination:

      "Mohammed could not have known the size of the world, but several passages in the Koran show that he envisioned Islam dominating all of it, however large it might be: “He it is who sent his messenger . . . that he may cause it [Islam] to prevail over all religions´(Koran 9:33, M.M. Ali; see also 48:28 and 61:9). M.M. Ali designates these three passages as “the prophecy of the ultimate triumph of Islam in the whole world.”

      Mohammed’s successors, the caliphs, quoted passages like these to inspire Muslim armies as they advanced out of Arabia, imposing Islam by the sword upon a peacefully unsuspecting Middle East and North Africa, as I described in the previous chapter.

      Islamic armies, imbued with what Mohammed claimed was divine authorization, imposed Islam by force over vast areas, all the while extorting wealth from subjugated Jews and Christians to fund their ongoing conquests. As I noted, major defeats at Tours, France, in A.D. 732, and again at Vienna, Austria, in A.D. 1683, halted Islam’s attempt to take all of Europe by force. Gradually Islamic forces were forced to retreat from Europe, except for part of the Balkans. But Islam has again set its sights on a conquest of Europe and of European civilization, wherever the latter has spread to North and South America and other regions. Muslim strategists ask their followers, Why do we find in these modern times that Allah has entrusted most of the world’s oil wealth primarily to Muslim nations?

      Their answer: Allah foresaw Islam’s need for funds to finance a final politico-religious victory over what Islam perceives as its ultimate enemy: Christianized Euro-American civilization. So, Islam follows Nazism, fascism and communism as the world’s latest hostile takeover aspirant.

      Nazis, fascists and communists failed. Does Islam have a better chance at success? I believe it will flounder if we awaken to its threat in time; yet, if there is not adequate planned resistance, Islam does have a better chance of succeeding. Communism’s world takeover attempt was guaranteed to fail because its economic policy was naively contrary to human nature. Advocating the rubric What is mine is thine, and what is thine is mine, communism failed to see that human nature will not keep those two balanced propositions in equilibrium. Like a female black widow spider consuming her mate, the latter part of the formula makes a meal of the former, leading to the collapse of any system based upon that formula.
      In contrast, political systems do well if they can persuade people to adhere to What’s mine is mine and What’s thine is thine maxims.

      Only if a strong religious incentive is added does such an idealistic formula have any long-term chance. Even then success will be spotty. But communism (and Nazism, for that matter) excluded religion. And that mistake was the final nail eventually clamping a lid on communism’s coffin. Communism, on a historical scale, perished while still in its childhood.
      Islam is not repeating communism’s mistake. Mating political cunning and incredible wealth with religious zeal, Islam does have a chance to succeed and will succeed unless major parts of the Western world unite to take appropriate countermeasures. But many Western leaders, unable to believe that a mere religion could possible be a serious political threat, keep proclaiming themselves as Islam-friendly, reasoning that all religions are good-aren’t they?

      A Muslim strategist in Beverly Hills, California, declared several years ago, as quoted by a friend of mine: “Now that the struggle between Western democracies and international communism is winding down, it is time for the real and final struggle to begin, and we are going to win!”

      Don Richardson

      September 4, 2011 at 7:59 am |
    • Muneef

      We Muslims can be friends with whom ever would be friendly with us and pure from any hidden hatred or disrespect since such feeling can be found even between a Muslim and another Muslim of same branch or different branches of Islam...
      So I find my self able to make friendship based on mutual respect and not based on religions or paths or disbelief...

      Beside friendship is not an immediate effect but rather it is some thing that is built and ties are strengthened by time and things that friends experience tgather with each other in difficult times and situations...

      The word Friendship and the word Love are easy said but difficult to mean or reflect emotionally than in lifeless words....!!

      September 6, 2011 at 2:27 pm |
    • Awkward Situations

      @Muneef: I'm glad I came back and checked this page! Thanks for your response.

      It is my belief that human bonds with people we care about can be stronger than anything that may drive people apart, such as religion. I have friends from all walks of life and although our world views may differ we have so many more things in common that our differences are really insignificant in the grand scheme of things.

      I hope that you're finding this religion blog interesting. See you around, stay strong! 🙂

      September 7, 2011 at 5:49 am |
  2. PsiCop

    I'm just wondering when it was, exactly, that the U.S. got rid of freedom of religion? It must have been dispensed with, because otherwise, there would be no dispute as to whether a mosque could be built.

    Isn't it time for militant Christians to grow up finally ... to sit down, shut up, leave other people alone, and stop vandalizing their property and burning down their buildings?

    September 3, 2011 at 5:48 pm |
  3. Colin

    Akward Situations. I would not recommend debating with Herbie. He believes in the most ridiculuous of nonsense. Here is an example from a post he made yesterday:

    "Angels ,the sons of God looked on the daughters of men and cohabited with them creating a race of mutants or giants that would have destroyed the human race as we know it.These creatures were evil incarnate, and left to continue, none of us would exist. Another possibility is that God seeing and knowing all things was grieved at the direction mankind had chosen to go,and that as things stood there would be no future at all unless corrective measures were taken. I favor the Enoch explanation,even though the young were destroyed as well, they were already mutant.If it wasn't for the flood you and I would probably have never existed."

    The guy is obviously semi-delusional. You might as well debate quantum physics with a p.oodle.

    September 3, 2011 at 2:07 pm |
    • herbert juarez

      Back from your therapist already ,colin, .long way to go to deal with that chronic lying problem of yours .Good luck and God bless.

      September 3, 2011 at 2:25 pm |
    • Colin

      Hey Herbie, I have a few questions for you about your mutants and gaints that were the bilogical product of angels mating with women.

      Have we found their remains?
      What happened to them?
      How many were there?
      How long did they live?

      September 3, 2011 at 2:34 pm |
    • Canadian Agnostic

      @Herbert Juarez. Did you write that or did Colin make it up? It does sound pretty crazy.

      September 3, 2011 at 2:39 pm |
    • Colin

      He wrote it all right. He hates having his own nonsense thrown back at him, because he realizes was a flapping, irrational fool it makes him look.

      September 3, 2011 at 2:42 pm |
    • herbert juarez

      @canadian agnostic
      No news networks in your own country?
      Read: Genesis and Jude from the Holy Bible and also the book of Enoch, if you want to answer your question.

      September 3, 2011 at 2:44 pm |
    • Canadian Agnostic

      What? I asked you if you wrote what he says you did – and you tell me the answer is in the Bible????

      September 3, 2011 at 2:49 pm |
    • herbert juarez

      @colin
      i am more concerned about seeing you come to peace with your lying problem ,but i will answer your four questions to the best of my ability.
      1.Possibly some have been found.
      2.They all perished in the flood,if the Enoch theory is correct.Check the book of Jude for more .
      3.Don't know the Antidiluvian population statistics
      4. Most Antidiluvians appear to have lived ,reportedly, close to a millenium.

      September 3, 2011 at 2:56 pm |
    • herbert juarez

      @canadianagnostic
      Citing the texts for the purpose of context.That may be a part of an answer written by myself,explaining theories advanced in the cited texts.I do not have a copy of what the entire conversation was.As to your opinion I would suggest that your opinion and a buck will buy something from the dollar menu at an American McDonalds.Good luck with finding your own news network and God bless.

      September 3, 2011 at 3:04 pm |
    • Awkward Situations

      @Colin: Haha, thanks. I figured as much. I haven't been following his comments so I'm not aware of the depth of his delusions. I am a bit surprised that the rapist angels and giants/mutants were mentioned. Usually they like to keep those little gems under wraps and hope that we are ignorant about them since they know how crazy it can make them (and their storybook) appear. Anyhow, I gave a sincere reply to what I thought was a sincere question posed by him. It doesn't matter, maybe somebody else will read it. I'll waste my time more wisely on this forum next time! 😉

      September 3, 2011 at 4:16 pm |
    • herbert juarez

      @awkward situation
      The delusion is all yours ,enjoy your worship of colin.
      Oh by the way you've jumped into the middle of an issue that began when colin was proved to be a liar,which is a trait that atheists seem to require.The texts cited deal with theory.God bless.

      September 3, 2011 at 4:20 pm |
    • Awkward Situations

      @herbert juarez: Worship Colin?... Well, I suppose it could do that. It's safe to as_sume that he actually exists and has the ability to answer my prayers even if it was a simple "hell no". Which is a lot more than I can say for what you worship – something that doesn't exist and is unresponsive.

      September 3, 2011 at 4:41 pm |
    • herbert juarez

      @awkward situation
      Wrong on all counts, starting to repeat we already covered the subject.I am with good assurance the polar opposite of your stated position.Also I do have a life so i'll be away from these posts.God bless.

      September 3, 2011 at 5:02 pm |
    • John Richardson

      Well, one thing we all learned to day is that Herbie the Hate Bug really enjoys using the term 'polar opposite'.

      September 3, 2011 at 6:04 pm |
    • Keith

      herbert juarez is right about this. They're called Nephillim. Thing is, it will happen again. Are you familiar with transhumanism? Science is making some scary advancements there.

      September 3, 2011 at 7:50 pm |
    • JaNell

      Sounds like Herbie got his Greek mythology mixed up with all the others.

      September 6, 2011 at 4:46 pm |
  4. Keith

    Hezbollah just opened a base in Cuba. Heck, most of the dolts on this site would much rather they established it in TN.

    September 3, 2011 at 1:48 pm |
  5. Keith

    I am a construction worker. Work has been scarce for the past few years, but I'd rather starve than build and altar to Baal or an Ashteroh pole.

    September 3, 2011 at 12:09 pm |
    • Rainer Braendlein

      If I had a company, I would hire you!

      September 3, 2011 at 12:34 pm |
    • tallulah13

      And that is your right. However, there are plenty of others who are willing to do the job, because this is America and every citizen has the right to worship (or not worship) as the choose.

      September 3, 2011 at 12:47 pm |
    • herbert juarez

      There isn't much work in an altar or a pole.Pole set , two men,maybe a day.Altar two, three men, couple days tops.

      September 3, 2011 at 1:10 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @Keith

      That is your choice. But if you are collecting unemployment and are offered work...

      Cheers!

      September 3, 2011 at 1:24 pm |
    • J.W

      If you didnt build it someone else would come and build it anyways.

      September 3, 2011 at 3:48 pm |
    • Muneef

      Keith.

      Suppose I want to hie you to build for me a Mosque in my own country...would you have accepted? Am sure since as Muslims we are permitted to have to merry from Christian and Jewish faiths,then building a Mosque for Muslims would not be a problem...!?
      If I was a builder or engineer I would not mind build any worship building where the name of GOD will be called for...although might not do same for any pagan based faith that worship any kind of idols or symbols..nor would accept to build for those who call upon the devils worshipping them!!!
      But for a place that starts with taking refuge from the devil and follows in the name of GOD the most merciful and compassionate....!!?

      September 3, 2011 at 4:38 pm |
    • Keith

      All due respect Muneef, but no, I would not build it. I equate building a mosque or any other pagan shrine or place of worship with taking the mark of the beast. Though we're not in the Tribulation, I personally will decline-to the point of death if need be. But I'm sure you'd find some "Christians" who would compromise their faith. Just not me.

      September 3, 2011 at 7:14 pm |
    • Muneef

      Keith.

      Hmm. So you are faithful to your Religion "Doctrine)... rather than to GOD as him only...which we should all worship the GOD of Abraham...!? Well my view I think is quite different and concerned to do things for the sake of GOD and not for the sake of the Religion "Doctrine"...!! would do that praying that GOD guides them from astray to the right straight path of GOD..Amen

      September 3, 2011 at 7:55 pm |
    • Keith

      Muneef, God IS my religion. Yahweh is NOT Allah. We do not worship the same god. The Jesus I know is NOT the Jesus of Islam.

      September 3, 2011 at 8:28 pm |
    • J.W

      Muslims, Jews, and Christians all worship the same God, and in many ways the Muslims believe the same things Christians do about Jesus. They just do not believe that he died for our sins.

      September 3, 2011 at 8:38 pm |
    • Keith

      JW, What the hell are you talking about? In Islam, Jesus is simply a prophet, not deity. In Islam, He comes back claiming to have converted to Islam while He was away and asks everyone to also convert. In Islam, He is the cheif executioner of Jews and Christians who will not convert to Islam under the Mahdi. Get your story straight before you open your mouth.

      September 3, 2011 at 8:49 pm |
    • J.W

      I did not say they believe the same thing as Christians. But they do believe he was born of a virgin and that he was an important figure.

      September 3, 2011 at 8:52 pm |
    • Siyajkak

      You do know that Islam isn't pagan, right? It's certainly not Idolatrous. They aren't even allowed to paint God like Christians do. Also, while Muslims believe Jesus was a mere prophet, I've read the Qu'ran, and can tell you that the certainly do not believe that he persecuted Christians and Jews. If you can't find work, I'm pretty sure God would be tolerant, even honored if you built a place for his worship, just worship in a slightly different way. In my opinion, it should be no different than building a Church for a different sect of Christianity.

      September 4, 2011 at 12:23 am |
  6. Awkward Situations

    Hey you Christian hypocrites. They have the right to build their playhouse to talk to their imaginary friend just as much as you have the right to build yours. Plus their crescent moon and star symbol will be prettier to look at than two perpendicular lines – sometimes with a dead body on it.

    Until all of you grown up children realize that your imaginary friend doesn't exist, the playhouses have to stay. Get used it.

    September 3, 2011 at 9:42 am |
    • herbert juarez

      Wow!That is the most original stuff i have ever read!Did you come up with all that by yourself or are you parroting what someone else has written?You must have put a lot of thought into the "imaginary friend " bit.You must be so proud of yourself!God bless!

      September 3, 2011 at 9:57 am |
    • Rainer Braendlein

      @Awkward Situations

      Deliberate or not deliberate you are a traitor of the free world.

      Look at the countries, where the Islam rules. Are they democracies? Never! Some of them may call themselves democracies, but in fact they are all dictatorships (furtive rule of the Islamic military and justice). They play a bad game. They hide Islamic dictatorship under the smokescreen of alleged democracy.

      I am not a Muslim-hater, but we should not allow them to get social impact. Islam will surely destroy our democratic structures. Islam wants to rule totally and to bring low other peoples.

      Our current societies are no more Christian, but their roots are at least Christian. Democracies grew on Christian soil. Merely the pope abused power, but the true Christian Church served society.

      September 3, 2011 at 10:13 am |
    • Redneck louie

      ya cain't burn it down ifn they cain't build it

      September 3, 2011 at 10:19 am |
    • Awkward Situations

      @herbert juarez: "Schizophrenic delusion" and "psychotic fantasy" don't come across quite as well as "imaginary friend". Plus it fits well with the grown-up children analogy. The other option would be the crazy person analogy checking in to the mental insti_tution every Sunday. And when are you folks going to get some new material? We keep hearing the same old bedtime story again and again. I hear you're waiting for the sequel packed with action and violence. Should be more interesting.

      @Rainer Braendlein: Christianity is a traitor of the free world. We have to constantly protect our democracy from your attempts to sneak your baseless ideologies in and set up a theocracy. It would be chaos! Which sect do you think should be in power? Definitely not the Catholics, right? They already have their own tiny country.

      September 3, 2011 at 10:56 am |
    • herbert juarez

      @Seems like you're the one with the same old drivel,I just happened to point that fact out.Time to shoot the messenger so your bs goes uncontested?

      September 3, 2011 at 11:45 am |
    • Awkward Situations

      @herbert juarez: You are a silly character. It's like you're challenging me to come up with more descriptive names for your god because you're getting tired of "imaginary friend".

      How about "deadbeat god"? He gives you life and then abandons you forever and ignores your pleas for love and comfort when you're all alone and in pain. You're like attention-starved neglected kids always making excuses for why he's never home.

      September 3, 2011 at 12:34 pm |
    • herbert juarez

      So ,what has happened to you to leave you in such a state?And why do you blame your misfortunes on God?Bad things do happen to good people, that surely doesn't make them( the bad things) right.God has given his people the responsibility of caring for and comforting those in need like that. Unfortunately the church doesn't always do a good job,it is comprised of fallible people.There are those that do love and care.God bless

      September 3, 2011 at 12:45 pm |
    • Awkward Situations

      @herbert juarez: I have never been in such a state as I described above but I would be lying if I said I wasn't close to it. I don't give blame or credit to something that doesn't exist.

      I have interaction with a lot of sick people. I've seen what their god does for them each and every time – absolutely nothing. Human suffering is inescapable. But it's exponentially worse when the person in pain (physical and emotional) realizes that their prayers are not being answered and they feel alone and abandoned by something they have been worshiping all their life.

      It's worse than telling somebody on their deathbed that there is no god. The person actually starts to make that realization on their own and torments themselves and becomes withdrawn and quiet. It's heartbreaking. Then come the sucker punches of "have faith" and "god is there for you" from well wishers. It's sickening.

      So go ahead and keep cheering each other on and propagating the myth of a benevolent god that cares about you. Your imaginary friend will be extra imaginary when you call upon it the most.

      September 3, 2011 at 1:44 pm |
    • herbert juarez

      been there found the polar opposite to be true.

      September 3, 2011 at 1:59 pm |
    • Awkward Situations

      Alrighty then. You kids play nice. And remember, god is not the only 3-lettered enti_ty keeping an eye on you lunatics. So behave.

      Cheerio.

      September 3, 2011 at 3:34 pm |
    • EvolvedDNA

      Herbert.. when you get to heaven what age will you be... the age you died or the same age as.. who? Do children who die stay that age or do they grow older..what about babies, are they looked after and do they have diapers in heaven? If you die young do you stay that age?

      September 3, 2011 at 9:13 pm |
    • tribble10

      @Rainer Braendlein: Hate to break this news to you, but democracies didn't grow on the soil of christianity. You might want to check ancient Greece. Perhaps, even the root of the word. Further, we are a republic. You might want to check ancient Roman political structure for roots. And, I don't think either was exactly Christian at the time. In fact the age of enlightenment which placed a premium not on government by god to the king, but by citizen. Also, how does Franco's ties to the Spanish Catholic church tie into your suggestions? He was a dictatorship. The Tsars also had close ties to the Russian Orthodox church.

      September 3, 2011 at 10:31 pm |
    • J.W

      The lowest of the angels clean the dirty diapers. You don't really think God is touching those things.

      September 4, 2011 at 12:27 am |
  7. Xenia

    @Rainer, I think the Western media are scared of Muslims. I'm really happy for Muslims that the West cannot blaspheme Islam like they blaspheme Christianity out of fear. Unlike the gentle, persevere Christians, Muslims are not used to the filthy Western blasphemies. Blasphemies in the West would make any normal humans extreme.

    September 3, 2011 at 8:11 am |
  8. Rainer Braendlein

    Everybody feels it that there is something wrong with Islam, mostly ordinary people, just thinking straightly.

    What is the reason, why mass media and administrations try to promote Islam in contrast to the ordinary people, which reject it?

    I suppose, it is all about economy. The Western countries need more (skilled) human robots. The resources of indigenous craftsman are depleted, thus new foreign resources must get exploited. In this connection any belief, right or false, is absolutely secondary. Main thing getting a good human robot with maximum performance. Even Islamic robots get accepted.

    Isn't that the reign of the Beast, which is described in the Holy Bible. Obama, Merkel, Cameron, etc., they are merely concerned about economy. Economy must run, that is decisive.

    But what about the weak people? Shall they be aborted, yet before they have caused any costs?

    I have read some small articles about Frederick the Great (Friedrich der Große, der Alte Fritz), who was king of Pruzzia (Preussen) from 1740-1786. Pruzzia was the prestage of the modern Germany.

    On the one hand Europe can be grateful for Fritz, because he stoped the rule of the wh-ore (Roman Catholic Church), but on the other hand, it seems, he estbalished a nasty secularism and rulers of today seem to follow him.

    We need rulers, which are not merely concerned about economy, but also about history and faith. An objective investigation of all beliefs would lead to the conclusion that Christianity is the most favorable belief. Christianity promotes the happyness of people. Christianity is a religion, which really works.

    September 3, 2011 at 7:38 am |
    • Reality

      Christianity really works?

      Pedophiliac priests and clerics, adulterous preachers, an almost all-male, mostly white hierarchy, "propheteering/ profiteering" evangelicals, the myths of atonement theology and the idiocy of original sin!!!!

      Then there is this:

      Jesus was a bit "touched". After all he thought he spoke to Satan, thought he changed water into wine, thought he raised Lazarus from the dead etc. In today's world, said Jesus would be declared legally insane.

      Or did P, M, M, L and J simply make him into a first century magic-man via their epistles and gospels of semi-fiction? Most contemporary NT experts after thorough analyses of all the scriptures go with the latter magic-man conclusion with J's gospels being mostly fiction.

      Obviously, today's followers of Paul et al's "magic-man" are also a bit on the odd side believing in all the Christian mumbo jumbo about bodies resurrecting, and exorcisms, and miracles, and "magic-man atonement, and infallible, old, European/Salt Lake City white men, and 24/7 body/blood sacrifices followed by consumption of said sacrifices. Yummy!!!!

      So why do we really care what a first century CE, illiterate, long-dead, preacher man would do or say?

      September 3, 2011 at 8:00 am |
    • Rainer Braendlein

      @Reality

      You said:

      Pedophiliac priests and clerics, adulterous preachers, an almost all-male, mostly white hierarchy, "propheteering/ profiteering" evangelicals, the myths of atonement theology and the idiocy of original sin!!!!

      Unquote.

      I have read a lot of books of Dietrich Bonhoeffer and Martin Luther. I presume, to know at least, how the Christian Church should be built. I can tell you, seemingly the true Christian Church has declinded totally. Concerning the condition of the Church today, we live in the most apocalyptic age of all ages. The state of the Church is disastrous. In a way your lines are right.

      Dear Reality, I assume you have made same bad experiences with the perverted Church, which is led by Judas-like men. However, I can assure you that the true Christian Church would work, if she would exist.

      You may study a little the biography of Dietrich Bonhoeffer (see Bethge), who was an examplary Christian, and the history of the Confessing Church, which fighted against Hitler.

      Be aware that you are responsible to use your mind honestly. Assumed, at Judgement Day you would tell Jesus something about your critique of the Church, he would ask you, why you did not make sufficient investigations about what is the true and about what is the false Church. You cannot blame the true Church for the crimes of the false Church. Would you blame Jesus for the crimes of Judas?

      September 3, 2011 at 8:44 am |
    • Reality

      The Judas stories are mostly legends created by M, M, L and J.

      For example:

      http://wiki.faithfutures.org/index.php?ti-tle=189_Better_Not_Born:

      And from Professor Gerd Ludemann's book, Jesus After 2000 Years, p. 96:

      "Jesus never spoke the words about the betrayal of Jesus e.g. Mark 14: 17-21. Rather, from the fact the Jesus was betrayed, early Christians concluded that Jesus must have known this in advance and therefore prophesied it. "

      Mark 14: 43-45

      Jesus is arrested:

      From Ludemann, p. 99:

      "The report is strongly legendary and in part enigmatic. "

      The thirty pieces of silver and suicide legend: ex. Matt 27: 3-10

      "The historical value is nil." p. 246

      Said scholars have read all of these accounts, checked them for attestations and year of publication and concluded much of it has no historic foundation.

      September 3, 2011 at 10:34 am |
    • tallulah13

      Rainer, last time I looked, you don't speak for "everybody." Most people are fine with religion until those who practice it take it to the extreme. Every faith has it's extremists. Those are the ones "everybody" thinks are perhaps not right-minded. For instance, I would much rather have an ordinary muslim neighbor than a radical christian neighbor like you.

      Try looking at individuals instead of groups and you will realize that most people have the same interests: Home, family and the means to provide for them.

      September 3, 2011 at 12:54 pm |
    • JaNell

      You do ot ever presume to speak for me. As a Christian who works in a private Islamic school; I have no more of a problem with Islam than I do with the Orthodox Jews.

      September 6, 2011 at 4:52 pm |
  9. AtheistSteve

    In this economy a contractor fears taking a job because of what his parish may think. Graffiti and vandalizing by christian thugs. Legal battles over the zoning laws. If these things happened to a church being constructed there would be riots in the streets. This exemplifies the hate and bigotry inherent in each "my God is better than your God" religion.

    September 3, 2011 at 5:54 am |
  10. Xenia

    If Muslims face real persecutions in USA, American Christians will protect them, as usual.

    September 3, 2011 at 2:56 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      true but yet those same christians will attack them as they see fit...rather hypocritical

      September 3, 2011 at 7:53 am |
    • Xenia

      @T-P-, Christians always rescue and protect the defenseless. It's atheists who kill without reasons.

      September 3, 2011 at 8:05 am |
    • AtheistSteve

      Really Xenia? Where are these supposed killings. Most atheists I know fall under the secular humanist worldview since atheism alone is just the rejection of theist claims of there being a god or gods. Please enlighten us all on the historic atrocities and wars caused by secular humanism. Whats that? Oh yeah...there are none. And if you leap on the abortion thing I already addressed that issue showing your God is far and away the biggest child killer of all time.

      September 3, 2011 at 10:12 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Xenia/Addle-brain: Statistics put the lie to your statements. Most of the murderers in prison are Christian.

      September 3, 2011 at 10:31 am |
    • tallulah13

      Oh Xenia, again with your lies. Isn't satan known as "the prince of lies"? Well, I guess every prince needs a princess. That can be your next name: PrincessOfLies.

      September 3, 2011 at 12:56 pm |
    • herbert juarez

      Tom ,you got some stats on Christian murderers in prison?

      September 3, 2011 at 12:56 pm |
    • herbert juarez

      @tallulah13
      Since you brought up "next name" i was wondering what happened to tallulahs one through twelve?

      September 3, 2011 at 12:59 pm |
    • tallulah13

      herb, in the spirit of full disclosure: Tallulah was a cat that I had for many years. She was an excellent friend and just as cranky and opinionated as myself, so I thought to honor her by using her name. As for 13, ones and threes have a way of popping up in my life, in addresses and phone numbers or just randomly, so I thought that this was an appropriate number to add to "Tallulah", just in case other people were using that name on these boards.

      I have never changed my name on these boards. I believe we are anonymous enough that there is no need to pretend to be anyone else.

      September 3, 2011 at 1:05 pm |
    • herbert juarez

      @tallulah13
      Thanks, for a minute there i thought there might be 12 holes in the basement or backyard somewhere.

      September 3, 2011 at 1:13 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @Xenia

      No. We are a nation of laws. The laws will protect the Muslims as they do and should every other citizen.

      Cheers!

      September 3, 2011 at 1:36 pm |
    • J.W

      I always figured your name honored Tallulah Bankhead.

      September 3, 2011 at 4:19 pm |
  11. Xenia

    Muslims should also start teaching that America Founding Fathers were Islamic theists because they were not Christian according to secular Americans. History-illiterate Americans would never find out any truth.

    September 3, 2011 at 2:54 am |
    • Anon

      The founding fathers are rolling in their graves at near infinity.

      September 3, 2011 at 2:55 am |
    • Xenia

      Present Sodomic America is a unbearable shame to the Founding Fathers. They'd rather give USA to good old Muslims.

      September 3, 2011 at 2:58 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Do you even know what "sodomy" is, Addled?

      September 3, 2011 at 10:32 am |
  12. Xenia

    We should demand more churches in the Islamic land. One-sided democracy is stupid in a global village.

    September 3, 2011 at 1:16 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      yep, that's the answer and we beg you to try it...you'll be the first they attach a bomb to. The point is not to try to change their belief, the point is to promote world peace

      September 3, 2011 at 7:55 am |
    • Xenia

      @T-P-, Are you dreaming? No peace for infant-killing Sodomites.

      September 3, 2011 at 8:03 am |
  13. Al

    Welcome to the Volunteer State where we will voluntarily set your place on fire. "Yaw come back now ya here". Que up the dueling banjos from "Deliverance".

    September 3, 2011 at 12:59 am |
  14. Peace2All

    This is so ridiculous... I was in shock as i sat and watched the 1 hour t.v. show on this very subject one night several months ago.

    It's so funny with all of the comments by a lot of the believers when they say " go try and build a church in Iran, and see what happens."

    And so much talk of the intolerant Muslim's and the religion of Islam, and yet, right here in our wonderful country, the United States... How wonderful it is to see the "Christians" leading the way of love, acceptance and tolerance.

    The Christians want to just keep fighting and fighting this for some unknown reason.

    Again, way to be the way-shower of love & light out there in Murfreesboro, Tennessee ! 😯

    So very sad in our country, in this day and age.

    The Christian religion is the 'only' right one, I guess.

    Peace...

    September 3, 2011 at 12:18 am |
    • J.W

      I agree. And just because we think the Iranians would do it does not make it ok for us to do it. That is like if I murdered someone who looked like a gang member because if I went into their neighborhood they would probably murder me.

      September 3, 2011 at 12:31 am |
    • Keith

      Peace@All, Hi. Sorry, I tried to answer your post about the weather issue, but it wouldn't post. So, I'd try again only to receive a "duplicate comment detected".??? Anyway, Christians are to be loving, but I can't find where we're supposed to tolerate or accept a false religion. In fact, I only find the opposite.

      September 3, 2011 at 11:30 am |
    • Keith

      Peace2All, Job 37:11-13 "Also by watering he wearieth the thick clould: He scattereth his bright cloud: And it is turned round about by his counsels: That they may do whatsoever he commandeth them upon the face of the world in the earth. He causeth it to come, whether for correction, or for his land, or for mercy." I personally think "correction" is at play here with Vermont and New York legislating g^y marriage, and the church standing silently by and allowing it to happen.

      September 3, 2011 at 11:44 am |
    • Keith

      Peace2All, Furthermore, I see this "correction" getting much worse on Sept. 20, as that is the tentative date that the PA will present its bid for statehood before the UN. Also, DADT is officially over at that point and open h0m0$exuals can serve in our military. It's been said that if God doesn't judge the United States, then He owes Sodom and Gommorha an apology. Hillary Clinton has already issued a veiled threat to Israel that the US may change its postion on statehood. I take Genesis 12:3 seriously, "and I will bless them that bless thee, and curse them that curseth thee: " I just hope this nation doesn't go from God's "correction" to God's "judgement". Sept/Oct will be very interesting to say the least when you view current events through a biblical perspective.

      September 3, 2011 at 11:57 am |
    • Keith

      Looks like Southern Decadence may is getting their g^y parade rained on a bit, too.

      September 3, 2011 at 1:53 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @Keith

      You said: "Christians are to be loving, but I can't find where we're supposed to tolerate or accept a false religion. In fact, I only find the opposite."

      You are looking in the wrong place. This is not a Christian Nation.
      The Const_itution is far more precious than any holy text or god.

      "The First Amendment contains two clauses about the Freedom of Religion. The first part is known as the Establishment Clause, and the second as the Free Exercise Clause.

      The Establishment Clause prohibits the government from passing laws that will establish an official religion or preferring one religion over another. The courts have interpreted the establishment clause to accomplish the separation of church and state.

      The Free Exercise Clause prohibits the government from interfering with a person’s practice of his or her religion. However, religious actions and rituals can be limited by civil and federal laws.

      Religious freedom is an absolute right, and includes the right to practice any religion of one’s choice, or no religion at all, and to do this without government control.

      Your rights to Freedom of Religion and the free exercise thereof means:
      The Freedom of Religion is an inalienable right.
      The First Amendment provides for the Freedom of Religion for all Americans.
      The Free Exercise Clause provides that government will neither control nor prohibit the free exercise of one’s religion.
      The government will remain neutral."
      Source: ©2011 Illinois First Amendment Center

      Cheers!

      September 3, 2011 at 1:56 pm |
    • Peace2All

      @Keith

      Hey -Keith...

      You Said: " Peace2All, Hi. Sorry, I tried to answer your post about the weather issue, but it wouldn't post. So, I'd try again only to receive a "duplicate comment detected".???"

      "Weather issue"...???

      You Said: " Anyway, Christians are to be loving, but I can't find where we're supposed to tolerate or accept a false religion. In fact, I only find the opposite. "

      So, Christians are to be "loving" but that doesn't include in that definition of "loving" at the very least 'tolerating' someone else's point of view...?

      So... Christians are to actively try and restrict any other religion than Christianity from expressing itself...? I mean it's one thing to believe in your Christian doctrine, but it's another thing to 'very actively' undermine, restrict, fight, etc... someone else's freedom to express 'their' religion, whether you believe in it or not.

      And that is what has been happening here in Tennessee. They have been actively engaged in threats, legal fights, etc... to 'restrict' the religion of Islam from building their own place of worship.

      I believe that there is nothing American about trying to 'restrict' someone's freedom of speech. I think this is definitely an egregious 1st amendment violation.

      And again, Keith... you know me well enough by now, I'm certainly no big lover of any religion... Islam, Christianity, etc...

      Regards,

      Peace...

      Keith
      Peace2All, Job 37:11-13 "Also by watering he wearieth the thick clould: He scattereth his bright cloud: And it is turned round about by his counsels: That they may do whatsoever he commandeth them upon the face of the world in the earth. He causeth it to come, whether for correction, or for his land, or for mercy." I personally think "correction" is at play here with Vermont and New York legislating g^y marriage, and the church standing silently by and allowing it to happen.

      September 3, 2011 at 11:44 am | Report abuse |
      Keith
      Peace2All, Furthermore, I see this "correction" getting much worse on Sept. 20, as that is the tentative date that the PA will present its bid for statehood before the UN. Also, DADT is officially over at that point and open h0m0$exuals can serve in our military. It's been said that if God doesn't judge the United States, then He owes Sodom and Gommorha an apology. Hillary Clinton has already issued a veiled threat to Israel that the US may change its postion on statehood. I take Genesis 12:3 seriously, "and I will bless them that bless thee, and curse them that curseth thee: " I just hope this nation doesn't go from God's "correction" to God's "judgement". Sept/Oct will be very interesting to say the least when you view current events through a biblical perspective.

      September 3, 2011 at 11:57 am | Report abuse |
      Keith
      Looks like Southern Decadence may is getting their g^y parade rained on a bit, too.

      September 3, 2011 at 1:53 pm | Report abuse |

      September 3, 2011 at 3:14 pm |
    • Peace2All

      @Keith

      **Apologies*** at not deleting the rest of your postings after mine. Man... I must need a break, as I have been doing that a lot lately !

      Peace...

      September 3, 2011 at 3:15 pm |
    • Peace2All

      @Keith

      Hey -Keith... Oh well, since you wrote it, I thought I should question/comment on it.

      You Said: " Peace2All, Job 37:11-13 "Also by watering he wearieth the thick clould: He scattereth his bright cloud: And it is turned round about by his counsels: That they may do whatsoever he commandeth them upon the face of the world in the earth. He causeth it to come, whether for correction, or for his land, or for mercy." I personally think "correction" is at play here with Vermont and New York legislating g^y marriage, and the church standing silently by and allowing it to happen."

      So, you are suggesting that God is making a "correction" somehow through what...? (hurricanes/earthquakes,etc...)
      because 'He'(God) is "upset" at the passing of g-a-y marriage legislation in New York/Vermont...?

      This is where I get a bit confused -Keith, you know maybe it's my agnostic-atheism kicking in, but how do you 'decide' that God is unhappy...? I mean you have just put together a Bible verse and linked it with natural disasters, and are claiming "Goddidit" because "he's" 'pis-sed' ?!?!?

      I don't know -Keith, I certainly can't prove you wrong here. 'Maybe' you are right. I just don't think so, my friend.

      If... there is a God, I just don't think he/she/it is concerned about "punishing" his creations for it's misdeeds. That model just doesn't work for me.

      But, Hey -Keith... Keep praying for my soul. You never know, maybe I'll come around !

      Regards,

      Peace...

      September 3, 2011 at 3:25 pm |
    • Peace2All

      @Keith

      Ooops... forgot about the last one.

      You Said: " Peace2All, Furthermore, I see this "correction" getting much worse on Sept. 20, as that is the tentative date that the PA will present its bid for statehood before the UN. Also, DADT is officially over at that point and open h0m0$exuals can serve in our military. It's been said that if God doesn't judge the United States, then He owes Sodom and Gommorha an apology. Hillary Clinton has already issued a veiled threat to Israel that the US may change its postion on statehood. I take Genesis 12:3 seriously, "and I will bless them that bless thee, and curse them that curseth thee: " I just hope this nation doesn't go from God's "correction" to God's "judgement". Sept/Oct will be very interesting to say the least when you view current events through a biblical perspective. "

      So, you are thinking that in Sept/Oct current events are going to get interesting from a 'biblical perspective'...?

      You Said: " If God doesn't 'judge' the United States, then HE owes 'Sodom and Gommorha' an apology" 😯

      O.K... I'll need your expertise in speaking evangelical Christian to translate that for me...?

      As for the rest, well, I hope that if there is a God... you are wrong about the whole "judgement" thing, as I'm really not a big fan of the book of Revelation and what it allegedly foretells !

      Regards,

      Peace...

      September 3, 2011 at 3:33 pm |
    • J.W

      In the book of Revelations, John finds some mushrooms and has hallucinations.

      September 3, 2011 at 3:36 pm |
    • Pssst

      J.W

      The name of the book is "Revelation" (no 's'), and it is not the first - nor the last - piece of creative sci-fi/fantasy/horror fiction that was written by drunk/drugged/delusional guys (not to imply that *all* sci-fi writers are that way, of course).

      September 3, 2011 at 3:46 pm |
    • J.W

      Excuse me

      September 3, 2011 at 3:51 pm |
    • LinCA

      @Keith

      If christians aren't supposed to tolerate or accept a false religion, how can they be christian?

      Which one, if any, if the 34,000 different christian sect, cults and denominations is the true one? How do you tell?

      September 3, 2011 at 4:08 pm |
    • John Richardson

      If Christians don't want freedom of religion, I guess it'll soon be time to start bulldozing their churches, eh? It would free up considerable land for more productive forms of development. But it'll still be kinda sad to see a great experiment in religious tolerance come crashing to an end because the religionists themselves insist on destroying it all.

      September 3, 2011 at 6:03 pm |
    • Keith

      David Johnson, Thanks for the 10th grade civics lesson, but what does it have to do with what I said to Peace2All?

      September 3, 2011 at 7:22 pm |
    • Keith

      Peace2All, Sodom and Gomorrha were destroyed because they practiced h0m0$exuality. As far as me knowing the mind of God...the only way to do that is study His written Word. Read and study. Read and study. Do that and you'll get a good idea of what He is like. I will say a prayer for you. Heck, I'll even say one for David Johnson.

      September 3, 2011 at 7:37 pm |
    • J.W

      Keith please post in the room where the Bible says that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed for hom.os.exuality.

      September 3, 2011 at 7:48 pm |
    • Keith

      Peace2All, Just so there's no misunderstanding...I'm not accusing you of deleting my comments thru 'report abuse'. I'm simply saying that I tried to post, but it wouldn't. That's all.

      September 3, 2011 at 8:34 pm |
    • Keith

      Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them, in like manner giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities. Jude 7,8.

      September 3, 2011 at 8:40 pm |
    • Keith

      LinCA, define Christian.

      September 3, 2011 at 8:43 pm |
    • *frank*

      Oh what a set for a spike...

      September 3, 2011 at 8:45 pm |
    • J.W

      But fornication is not always hom.ose.xuality. It is just se.x without being married.

      September 3, 2011 at 8:50 pm |
    • *frank*

      Wasn't there a more reasonable solution for the infants and children of those towns than dropping divine napalm on them for something their fathers did?
      Or, maybe, could the towns simply have been destroyed by earthquakes or fire, and some addled fanatic said god did it?

      September 3, 2011 at 9:17 pm |
    • LinCA

      @Keith

      You said, "define Christian."
      Religion is a choice. The only requirement to be a christian, is to claim to be one.

      September 3, 2011 at 10:37 pm |
    • Keith

      LinCA, Okay. Then by your standards I hereby declare myself to be the King of England.

      September 5, 2011 at 7:37 pm |
    • LinCA

      @Keith

      You said, "LinCA, Okay. Then by your standards I hereby declare myself to be the King of England."
      Good luck with that.

      Unlike religious organizations, the British Royal family isn't open to new members other than through birth or marriage. And even if you managed to get in line for the throne as the husband (I'm assuming you are male based on your name and apparent desire to be king, but please correct me if I'm wrong) of the first born of Prince William and Catherine Middleton, you might still be out of luck. The title of "King" is reserved for male direct descendants.

      September 11, 2011 at 7:15 pm |
  15. Reality

    What instigated the attack on the Twin Towers and the Pentagon? And what drives today's 24/7 mosque/imam-planned acts of terror and horror? The koran, Mohammed's book of death for all infidels and Muslim domination of the world by any means. Muslims must clean up this book removing said passages admitting that they are based on the Gabriel myth and therefore obviously the hallucinations and/or lies of Mohammed. Then we can talk about the safety and location of mosques and what is taught therein. Until then, no female or male Muslim can be trusted anytime or anywhere..................................

    September 3, 2011 at 12:15 am |
  16. Anon

    Both Christians and Muslims are all screwed up in the head.

    September 3, 2011 at 12:00 am |
  17. *frank*

    is "murfreesboro" ebonics?

    September 2, 2011 at 11:05 pm |
  18. My God Hates Your God

    Once again, religion brings fear, distrust, intolerance, and division.

    September 2, 2011 at 10:48 pm |
    • Xenia

      Nah, only atheists are being scared by this.

      September 3, 2011 at 8:53 am |
    • Redneck louie

      i seen me one of them atheist things onct some time ago they is more rare then bigfoot hisself

      September 3, 2011 at 9:11 am |
    • JohnR

      Looks like is the Christians who are scared, Xenia.

      September 3, 2011 at 10:19 am |
    • David Johnson

      @Redneck louie

      You said: "i seen me one of them atheist things onct some time ago they is more rare then bigfoot hisself"

      But, unlike Bigfoot and the Christian god, atheist exist.

      Cheers!

      September 3, 2011 at 2:07 pm |
  19. paperjihad

    A victory for the First Amendment!

    September 2, 2011 at 10:44 pm |
  20. Hmmm

    I really hope that this does come to fruition. They deserve a place to call their own, just as any other organization does. I have no problem with this and no one else should have an issue as well. Let these people gather, be merry, have conflicts, and just be human together. Muslims are just like everyone else and it's sad that we love to distance ourselves from our fellow human beings. Best of luck you guys. You're in my prayers.

    September 2, 2011 at 10:37 pm |
    • Keith

      "A senior cleric Egyptian cleric has issued a ruling declaring it permissible to murder Israeli citizens in Egypt. Dr. Salah Sultan, a lecturer on Islamic law(Sharia) at Cairo University declared Friday that any Egyptian muslim who meets a Zionist must kill him."-8-23-11 Israel National News.
      You want that to come to fruition? Maybe this dude could lecture at the University of Tennessee. Or maybe someone from the mosque could teach the same thing. It's good of the cleric to be so un-hateful and tolerant, isn't it? Cnn does a good job promoting islam here in America-almost as if they are another propaganda machine for it. You've been duped. Go see a nation where the muslims are a larger % of the population and you see how bold they are. You see the horrors of islam. You see the results of the wonderful "Arab Spriing" which our president is orchestrating.

      September 3, 2011 at 8:50 am |
    • JohnR

      @Keith So building a mosque is equivalent to killing Israelis?

      September 3, 2011 at 10:18 am |
    • Keith

      JohnR, I'll take the cleric at word-unless you think he's lying.

      September 3, 2011 at 10:43 am |
    • Keith

      That should've said, "JohnR, I'll take the cleric at his word-unless you think he's lying."

      September 3, 2011 at 10:47 am |
    • Keith

      That should've said, "his word".

      September 3, 2011 at 10:48 am |
    • Keith

      JohnR, since you brought it up, they do teach children to become suicide bombers in the schools and mosques in Gaza and the West Bank. Maybe the advanced and creative studies would include how to build Grad and Kassam rockets. So glad you brought it up, I may have overlooked it. Do you even know what these weapons are? You would if you lived in constant fear that one may be fired at you at any minute 24/7. Or does cnn neglect to report this side of islam to you?

      September 3, 2011 at 1:23 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @Keith

      The Israelis would would have far less to fear, if they would help to establish a Palestinian Nation.

      The Mosque of Omar will not be replaced by the Jewish Temple. And even if it was, Jesus is dead as last years Christmas tree.

      You Christians make me laugh heartily.

      Cheers!

      September 3, 2011 at 2:01 pm |
    • herbert juarez

      @david johnson
      Do all your posts follow the same pattern?
      1.start with a falsehood,(Israelis don't fear Palestinians)
      2.Toss in two or three lies or false assumptions,("Palestinians never were a nation and are undeserving of one. They ended up in historic Israel because the other Arabs ran them off.) (it is entirely possible that at some point in time there will be a restored Jewish Temple)and(Jesus,whether you like it, or acknowledge the fact, is alive at God the Fathers right hand.In fact I have more confidence in the life of Christ ,than knowing if you actually exist,and I'm replying to you.)
      3.Some type of dramatic conclusion, unrelated to the" points"you think you've established(usually you go with therefore .....etc,)
      You are very predictable and more often sadly wrong.There is an element of tragic humor in your posts.

      September 3, 2011 at 2:18 pm |
    • Colin

      Hello Herbie.

      As I mentioned, researchers at Stanford University’s biology department are convinced that two different species cannot mate and produce viable offspring. It's all about having different chromozones and the fundamental bilogical impossibility of the 2 DNAs combining.

      Wow, aren’t they wrong! You have told us how “Angels, the sons of God looked on the daughters of men and cohabited with them creating a race of mutants or giants that would have destroyed the human race as we know it.”

      So, I am going to write to the University and suggest they update this fundamental law of biology to state that “two different species CAN mate and produce viable offspring, provided one is a magic angel and the other a human and that they will produce mutant giants that will destroy the human race”

      Thanks Herbie, that clears it up for us all. It is a good thing we have you to help us see where modern biology is wrong and the Bible is right.

      September 3, 2011 at 2:24 pm |
    • herbert juarez

      @colin
      Have you found a solution to your habitual lying problem?If there is anyway I can help, just post out the need.Good luck and God bless.
      Now that you bring it up ,the Bible actually does have a solution for your lying problem, and a resolution for all your other sins as well.Ask and you will receive.God bless.

      September 3, 2011 at 2:39 pm |
    • TruthPrevails

      @Colin: lol...Herbie is just Adelina's/Xenia's/Justina's/CrystalRiver's sidekick...one more of her personalities

      @Herbie: time for your meds...stop calling people liars when you are the one spewing crap without evidence...you are such a hypocrite...Colin has not sinned...sin is something from the bible and given that Colin is intelligent and doesn't fall for the fable, he can't possibly have sinned...his only wrong doing is trying to make you understand because not one of us good law abiding Atheists would believe you are at all capable of having an open mind

      September 3, 2011 at 3:14 pm |
    • herbert juarez

      @"truth"prevails
      Evidence is not required for theory and where fact is concerned all the evidence necessary has been presented.If you can show otherwise do so.Colin ,bless him has repeatedly and without proof put false words down attributed to me.I doubt truth has any relevance to your position but where i come from posting lies makes one a liar.Simply put you lie you're a liar.Colin has proved himself a repeated liar,sorry there it is,fact.If you can prove colin didn't lie please do so ,otherwise "truth" (ha ha) just go on with your adoration and worship of him ,no skin off my nose.God bless

      September 3, 2011 at 3:40 pm |
    • herbert juarez

      Oh and i am none other than your border fence hoppin herbie, not any of those others posted,that would make"truth" a liar wouldn't it?

      September 3, 2011 at 3:42 pm |
    • TruthPrevails

      where exactly has he lied?? give me one instance please...he provides nothing but facts that are based on evidence. You on the other hand lie all the time...you only know what a 2000 year old book speaks to you. You need serious help for your mental illness. It is people like you that prevent this world from moving forward, it is people like Colin who encourage it. Provide one piece of evidence you have that backs your claims. Your god has never been proven to exist; heaven and hell have never been proven to exist...just b/c we believe in accepting nothing without evidence doesn't make us wrong. I think you need to get out the 1st grade and finally learn something useful!
      Please don't reply...you are a complete waste of my valuable energy

      September 3, 2011 at 4:29 pm |
    • herbert juarez

      @truth prevails
      You got caught in a lie ,telling colin i was all those other posts,you offer no evidence that i have lied .Where is your truth?Colin has repeatedly attributed words and posts to myself that i did not say.Let me say this slow so you can understand.....
      that..... is.... lying,on more than one ocassion colin has stated that i posted a 6000 year old earth post,1st challenge ,he acknowledged he had no proof it was me, following this he has presented the same comment as fact at least twice.Follow back the posts for your evidence.You suggest a higher plane but in reality you can't stand for yourself or your guru to be proven wrong.You have presented no proof whatsoever,your "truth" is bs.God bless.

      September 3, 2011 at 5:14 pm |
    • John Richardson

      @Keith Bigots lack discernment. Yes, some Muslims use schools and mosques to spread fanaticism and even violence. But that doesn't mean all Muslim schools and mosques are used for such purposes. It's really a duh, but drooling, knuckle-dragging, doltish bigots can't quite figure out the duhs in life, eh?

      September 4, 2011 at 9:18 am |
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