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Opinion: Why Muslims are still mad at America
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September 5th, 2011
01:03 PM ET

Opinion: Why Muslims are still mad at America

Editor’s note: Steven Kull is director of the Program on International Policy Attitudes and author of the recently released book, Feeling Betrayed: The Roots of Muslim Anger at America.

By Steven Kull, Special to CNN

On the ten-year anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, many Americans are wondering whether the risk of a terrorist attack against America has been reduced. The picture is mixed. With the death of Osama bin Laden, al Qaeda is weaker. With revolutions in several Arab countries, frustrations with unpopular autocratic governments — a recruiting theme for terrorist groups – have been mitigated. But one important contributing factor has not improved – widespread anger at America in the Muslim world. While views have improved in Indonesia, throughout the Middle East and South Asia, hostility toward the United States persists unabated.

Read the full post about Muslim resentment toward the U.S. on Global Public Square
- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: 9/11 • Islam • Opinion

soundoff (240 Responses)
  1. jimtanker

    You can be mad at the US all you want. You're just jealous of what we have. FREEDOM. Something that you will never understand or have until you give up your silly religion. Oh, that and stop letting your own people blow up other people! Yea, that might help too. Clean up your own back yard before you start hating on someone down the street.

    September 6, 2011 at 9:05 am |
  2. The Bobinator

    The reason the majority of the muslim world is angry at America is because the majority of muslims are undereducated and ignorant of the world. They blame the US for their mud shacks and poor quality of life. Because it couldn't be their fault or their culture that is to blame!

    September 6, 2011 at 8:18 am |
  3. ChRIST TEMPLAR

    They had just told us that USA will get humble to Islam. Look at this. This happen in USA soil, in Colorado.

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/09/colorado-american-flag-lowered-replaced-with-saudi-flag-in-greeley-elementary-school-classroom.html

    September 6, 2011 at 4:24 am |
  4. ChRIST TEMPLAR

    http://quran.com/9/29
    Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture – [fight] until they give the jizyah (Security Tax) willingly while they are humbled.

    1. Islam will not kill us except you pay Security Tax for your life.

    http://quran.com/9/30
    The Jews say, "Ezra is the son of Allah "; and the Christians say, "The Messiah is the son of Allah ." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded?

    2. Allah only in Arabs? Only Arab Jews that think Ezra is the son of God.

    http://quran.com/3/67
    Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was one inclining toward truth, a Muslim [submitting to Allah ]. And he was not of the polytheists.

    3. So be it with Jesus and Christians.

    http://quran.com/2/115
    And to Allah belongs the east and the west. So wherever you [might] turn, there is the Face of Allah . Indeed, Allah is all-Encompassing and Knowing.

    4. Allah not live in Mecca so why you turn your prayer to that place.

    http://quran.com/5/51
    O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are [in fact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you – then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people.

    5. If so, why all Muslim immigrant are trying to migrant to west. You are disobey your own law, you must not be come and live among us. You have a plenty oil and water there with your camel. We have our dogs.

    September 6, 2011 at 4:14 am |
  5. Bo

    MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM I see a lot lost high emotional hate and anger on this page. and the saddest part it won't change a thing, not even the baby's diaper. MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

    September 6, 2011 at 12:26 am |
  6. Mohammad Pedophilia

    http://www.faithfreedom.org/

    On the website, Ali Sina has issued a standing challenge that he will remove the FFI website if proven wrong on a number of issues.

    Are you a muslims? Do you dare enough to take this challenge? this is your changes to have a opportunity to fight on jihad by word!

    September 5, 2011 at 11:24 pm |
  7. Carla

    Muslims are mad at America because Americans are not Muslim and Israel exists sound and well. Muslims really need the Bible education. No one on earth can be normal or civil without the Bible education. It's been such a long time in the West Americans don't recall that they got all their civility, justice, wisdom, and good common sense from the Bible. Muslims have no hope if they don't read the Bible. Tyranny, oppression, exploitation, cowardice and hopelessness are all Earthlings' very nature and they are stuck with it unless liberated by having the Bible knowledge.

    September 5, 2011 at 10:38 pm |
    • TheRationale

      You must be talking about the Bible education where they leave out the parts about killing people who gather sticks on the Sabbath and disobedient children.

      September 5, 2011 at 11:09 pm |
    • Reality

      Anc Carla, the Christian "red-neck" of many names continues in her cloud of inanity!!!

      September 5, 2011 at 11:37 pm |
    • Carla

      @TheRationale: The case with the man who gathered sticks was the direct, DELIBERATE rebellion against God and those "children" are grown people who abuse elderly parents. All are national traitors. Read things with the context, illiterate atheist.

      September 5, 2011 at 11:57 pm |
    • The Bobinator

      > Read things with the context, illiterate atheist.

      Yep, how can you be moral without the story of Joeb, where God allows Satan to torture a man to settle a bet. Or how Elijah was being mocked so God sent down bears to maul the children that were calling him bald.

      I mean, those stories warm the heart and teach us that it's ok to kill and torture others if they do something to displease you or if you're really interested to see how they'll act under pain.

      September 6, 2011 at 9:02 am |
    • AGuest9

      Always make sure that when you read those words, that you don't take them out of context. Like Adam & Eve, the talking snake, Cain's wife (when there were only 3 people in the world), the flood (which would have required more water than exists in the solar system), and the rest of the inane situations that were written about later.

      September 6, 2011 at 9:06 am |
  8. Indonesian

    "While views have improved in Indonesia, throughout the Middle East and South Asia, hostility toward the United States persists unabated."

    Indonesia are USA supporter, Our Islam fight those radical terrorist group too. Indonesia are the real modern Islam, we are not influenced by those radicals.

    There is a few 1% radicals but in fact we don't like burqas and hijab and others ninjas scarf.

    We like Mtv, Sara Lee, CNN, Cartoon Network, Microsoft, Android, and others American. We protected Americans from radicals foolish group. We just can kill then if we want too but we respect Human Rights and Freedom of Speech.

    September 5, 2011 at 10:10 pm |
    • John Richardson

      Hey, anyone who likes the Cartoon Network is okay by me!

      September 6, 2011 at 9:54 am |
  9. RightTurnClyde

    Nobody is forced to stay here. If you do not like it you can leave (especially if you were not born here). If you were born here too - and you think the U.S. is not a good place you can expatriate .. go to Canada, France, Greece, Africa (by all means). Go to the Philippines, the Marquesas, Peru, Paraguya/Uraguay, MEXICO - pay back time .. leave .. go home. Go to Cuba, Haiti (nice Caribbean living), Venzuela (they'll treat you nice). Now if you do not like those place THEN GET A LUE .. this is still the best place. Ask the Russians, the Chinese, the Romanians ... they all want to move here .. WHY? And the Islamics want to destroy it.. also hwy? Lovei ... OR ... leave it

    September 5, 2011 at 8:36 pm |
    • RightTurnClyde

      Nobody doesn't like Sara Lee ..

      September 5, 2011 at 8:57 pm |
  10. Keith

    Who cares if they're still mad? Tough. You want a war with the average American citizen, then bring your "A" game and let's get it on. Quit coddling these jerks. Everyone is bending over backwards trying to apease them. I for one am just a little irritated at our leadership supporting the "Arab Spring". Go read the top story @israelnationalnews.com. The top IDF commander is predicting a "Muslim Winter"-and war-with the use of WMD. No kidding! I've said it before and I'll say it again, you pansies will be peeing your pants when you see mushroom clouds in the Middle East. The Bible is the real deal-and you're about to see the war described in Psalm 83 come to fruition. It makes me mad that our leadership, both parties, can't see it coming. Perhaps, just perhaps some of you will to put their faith in the Lord Jesus Christ-it's just too bad it's going to take major war to do it. Wake up. Please.

    September 5, 2011 at 7:19 pm |
    • BG

      @ Keith

      That's a good resource – I've read their articles off and on. Lately more frequently.

      What's obvious is that Obama has dug a hole not only with the Israelis, but the Arabs as well. Now that the Arab League has blown him off and wants to pursue Palestinian statehood through the U.N., things are going to get sticky, quick. Obama's endorsement(s) of the regime changes during the Arab Spring hasn't earned him any points in Israel, and his refusal to endorse the PA and Hamas in talks has soured the Arabs on him.

      That's what he gets for playing both ends against the middle. The cost will probably be an attempt at overrunning an Israeli border sometime during the next 6 months. If that happens, there will be calls for Obama's resignation. If a nuke is involved, they'll try to impeach him, and will likely succeed. Either way, Obama's re-election chances are nil and none.

      I'm not big on biblical self-fulfilling prophecy, but the potential for disaster here is obvious. I hope it can be avoided.

      September 5, 2011 at 8:12 pm |
  11. Paul

    Just get over it. You all ,and I'm sure some very good people, have been fighting this war for thousands of years with no defined results. Get over it. Start living for your country and your family's. There is too much hate in the world and we are all responsible for it.

    September 5, 2011 at 6:38 pm |
  12. Bo

    ========== If muslims are having a problem with Americans not likeing (hateing) them, then instead of complaing about discrimination, they should be asking the question "Why?") I personaly think Muslims want to live in America, but without having the American ideals. And I think they should address that question. It may be that their idea of freedom is to be able to do as you very well please without consideration of laws that govern that freedom.

    September 5, 2011 at 5:15 pm |
  13. AGuest9

    NEWSFLASH: Muslims Attacked America on 9/11. Not catholics, jews, hindus, sikhs, atheists...

    September 5, 2011 at 4:05 pm |
  14. Reality

    Why non- Muslims are still mad at Muslims:

    What instigated the attack on the Twin Towers and the Pentagon? And what drives today's 24/7 mosque/imam-planned acts of terror and horror? The koran, Mohammed's book of death for all infidels and Muslim domination of the world by any means.

    Muslims must clean up this book removing said passages admitting that they are based on the Gabriel myth and therefore obviously the hallucinations and/or lies of Mohammed. Then we can talk about the safety and location of mosques and what is taught therein. Until then, no male Muslim can be trusted anytime or anywhere..................................

    But to be fair, a poster for your refrigerator door:

    SAVING 1.5 BILLION LOST MUSLIMS:
    THERE NEVER WERE AND NEVER WILL BE ANY ANGELS I.E. NO GABRIEL, NO ISLAM AND THEREFORE NO MORE KORANIC-DRIVEN ACTS OF HORROR AND TERROR

    SAVING 2 BILLION LOST CHRISTIANS:
    THERE WERE NEVER ANY BODILY RESURRECTIONS AND THERE WILL NEVER BE ANY BODILY RESURRECTIONS I.E. NO EASTER, NO CHRISTIANITY

    SAVING 15.5 MILLION ORTHODOX FOLLOWERS OF JUDAISM:
    ABRAHAM AND MOSES PROBABLY NEVER EXISTED.

    Added details upon request.

    September 5, 2011 at 4:02 pm |
  15. fernace

    In the US if there is anger, it's mostly in the form of frustration at Christian Americans selfimposed ignorance! Just as the Norwegian terrorist used christianity to excuse & spur his "cause," so do radical Islamists excuse their violent behavior! The majority of muslims are peace loving families going about the business of life! Being spat on & slandered because of a few nut cases makes them sad, angry, frustrated & not apt to want to further the dialouge! The Muslims in the Middle East suffer from the same situation in reverse, there the propaganda is decidedly anti-American & the nation & it's people presented as the "monsters" as we are with Islam! Who is doing this vice versa monsterous depiction of essentially peaceful religions?? People who want us at eachothers proverbial throats, in order to gain power, thats who! Those suckers are invisible, rich & powerful & are playing with all of our nations, religions & people! There's where the anger should be directed!!

    September 5, 2011 at 3:22 pm |
  16. BG

    Well, at least it'll be easy to pick out all the muslims and their little atheist helpers in the comments on this story... Not to mention all the clueless islamic " I-have-no-friends-and-I'm-ugly / depressed / hate myself / guilty / etc" converts.

    So for anyone inclined to play 'whack-a-mole' (not me, I'm tired of it) the game will commence shortly.

    September 5, 2011 at 3:20 pm |
    • Martin T

      Why do you think Atheists would be inclined to "help" Muslims? That is a ridiculous statement. What I might say is that the dogma of both sides is what has led us to this point in history, yes. IF IT were up to me, I would do away with ALL religions and have people rely on science, reason, and reality to make their life's choices.

      September 5, 2011 at 3:45 pm |
    • BG

      @ Martin T

      Congrats. You're the recipient of my weekly rant.

      "... atheists inclined to help Musllims?"
      All we hear is complaints directed against Christians, often (not always) predicated upon the justification that it's uniquely this group that offers the most immediate threat against liberal political ideologies. My bottom line bítch with atheists is that it's obviously counterproductive to attack the beliefs rather than the politics. Pop-culture atheism is great at sport-insult (resulting in nothing more than píssed off believers), but it's incompetent when it comes to working within the political system, i.e., organize, fools, 'cause you aren't going to change anything by personal attacks. Guess what.. the 'believers' don't care – and all you're doing is entrenching them further into their beliefs.

      But by purposely targeting one group and deferring criticism of the others, atheists: a. harm the overall legitimacy of their cause, and b. by their deference are often seen as supportive of other sects. Too often I've heard "we don't go off on muslims, scientologists, etc.. because they don't pose any imminent danger to our political views. Sadly, that's incorrect. Those atheists that use this as a defense are, at best, ignorant, and at worst complicit. We all know that there's all kinds out there whether by accident, oversight, inconvenience , inapplicability to a personal agenda, or by... intent. Atheism is simply another political wedge, in this case one that can be exploited by traditionally liberal cause, including unlimited immigration, among other things.

      " IF IT were up to me..."
      It's not. It's just 'wishful thinking' that runs contrary to thousand of years of human behavior. Atheists charge believers with 'believing in a make-believe world.' The problem is that the belief 'world' has always includes deities in one form or another. It -is- their 'real world,' and you're asking (telliing) them to step away from it based on.. exactly what? Chastising them with allegations of foolishness and gullibility? It doesn't work, and as a result aggressive atheism becomes just as annoying as a couple of smiling Jehovah's ringing your doorbell on Saturday, minus the 'credibility' of white shirts and smiles.

      September 5, 2011 at 4:47 pm |
    • EvolvedDNA

      BG.. Athiests simply do not believe in the gods you espouse.. thats all. the fact that you have been poking the anthills of other religions is your fault. You have been told that the arrogance of religion would cause the destruction of society.. all religions have been pushing their political agenda the tea part party being a the latest craze..We have understood that fact and that it would end in tears but rational thought is not part of the religious mandate.

      September 5, 2011 at 9:15 pm |
    • BG

      @ EvolvedDNA

      " ...the gods you espouse.. that's all. the fact that you have been poking the anthills of other religions is your fault."

      Careful throwing that second person crap around at me... better not to make as sumptions about what I may or may not believe.

      " . You have been told that the arrogance of ..."

      What's this.. looks like the beginning of a sermon. Par for the course. There is no difference between atheist and religious condemnation. Whoever is pointing the finger is the righteous. Whomever is being pointed at is the antagonist.

      Humanity is nothing more than clusters of selfish, self-centered, ego-driven, insecure nitwits whose definition of fairness is righteousness, when in reality fairness requires only compromise. Therein lies the problem, Evolved. Think of it like a Venn diagram. Remember those?

      September 5, 2011 at 10:00 pm |
    • Answer

      @BG

      Posting for the pleasure of putting someone down and acting like you're the ultimate judge. Nice bit.
      You're too easy to spot as an egoist. You carry no useful purpose in the flow of society. Please consider offing yourself.

      September 5, 2011 at 10:03 pm |
    • BG

      Well, Mo, if you have a cogent difference of opinion, voice it. Otherwise here's a band-aid for your wounded little ego. Don't pick at the scab.... and close the door behind you.

      September 5, 2011 at 10:20 pm |
    • EvolvedDNA

      BG.. not sure what you mean by all the little atheist helpers,, in what way have you perceived this. An Athiest does not believe in a god but after that we all have different views whats your problem with that. While compromise is the best solution to the problems religions are not given to that you said....Humanity is nothing more than clusters of selfish, self-centered, ego-driven, insecure nitwits whose definition of fairness is righteousness, when in reality fairness requires only compromise... a some what jaded view although those attributes could easily be assigned to religious groups. I see it not so much as a Venn diagram, but as a sperms trying to get into the egg...

      September 6, 2011 at 12:29 am |
    • BG

      @ EvolvedDNA

      Well, I'm not prone to either repeating or paraphrasing myself. Please re-read my earlier responses both to you and Martin. If you're still confused I suggest, with all due respect, that you give some thought to another screen name.

      The "sperms and egg" analogy pretty much tore it for me. It might make a good screen name for you, though. Slightly, but appropriately, regressive from "EvolvedDNA."

      @ Sperms and Egg.

      I like it.

      September 6, 2011 at 1:26 am |
    • The Bobinator

      > All we hear is complaints directed against Christians, often (not always) predicated upon the justification that it's uniquely this group that offers the most immediate threat against liberal political ideologies.

      Not really, the reason we have the complaints at Christians is because the majority of people who post on this board live in North America and that's the dominant religion. And I don't think most people think Christians on the whole are a threat to liberal political ideologies. It's just the extreme right that most people have an issue with. Just like most people have an issue with the extreme left.

      > My bottom line bítch with atheists is that it's obviously counterproductive to attack the beliefs rather than the politics.

      It's not though. The core of the problem is that you have people saying and doing things based not on a rational decision based on available information, but rather on what they believe without evidence to support it. The core problem is that people aren't using their brains when they make a decision. They're simply inserting what they've been told.

      > Pop-culture atheism is great at sport-insult (resulting in nothing more than píssed off believers), but it's incompetent when it comes to working within the political system, i.e., organize, fools, 'cause you aren't going to change anything by personal attacks. Guess what.. the 'believers' don't care – and all you're doing is entrenching them further into their beliefs.

      I don't argue to change the minds that are closed. I argue to change the minds of people who are on the fence. Showing them how silly and pointless the other side is will invariably get them to move over. That's one person closer to getting us to a more sane, rational world.

      > But by purposely targeting one group and deferring criticism of the others, atheists: a. harm the overall legitimacy of their cause, and b. by their deference are often seen as supportive of other sects.

      So, because I only attack Christians, my attacks are invalid? That doesn't make any sense. It's like saying that a scientist who takes issue with papers written by someone doesn't have a legitimate complaint because he's not criticizing other people's papers at well.

      > Too often I've heard "we don't go off on muslims, scientologists, etc.. because they don't pose any imminent danger to our political views. Sadly, that's incorrect.

      It's 50 50 in my opinon. I consider scientology more dangerous then christianity, however, there's only about 50,000 of them and 1.3 billion christians. Not to mention, most of society wouldn't buy into their batship nonsense.

      > Those atheists that use this as a defense are, at best, ignorant, and at worst complicit.

      Nope, it's about evaluating what is and isn't a reasonable goal. Most people don't understand scientology and most people already have a negative view of islam. So what can we possibly attack? However Christianity is understood by most and not seen as negative. This makes it a decent target, our message is understood by more people and it's more impactful.

      > We all know that there's all kinds out there whether by accident, oversight, inconvenience , inapplicability to a personal agenda, or by... intent. Atheism is simply another political wedge, in this case one that can be exploited by traditionally liberal cause, including unlimited immigration, among other things.

      I don't know about exploited, but atheism does in fact resonate with the left simply because it's non-religious, something that the right is all about.

      > It's not. It's just 'wishful thinking' that runs contrary to thousand of years of human behavior. Atheists charge believers with 'believing in a make-believe world.' The problem is that the belief 'world' has always includes deities in one form or another.

      No, we charge people with accepting something as reality without evidence to do so. That's not logical and it's not intelligent. People like the idea of not dying so they hold onto it, much like how a child thinks. When we start making laws based on these beliefs rather then facts, then we have real issues.

      > It -is- their 'real world,' and you're asking (telliing) them to step away from it based on.. exactly what?

      Logic.

      > Chastising them with allegations of foolishness and gullibility?

      You confuse the chastising of people with the chastising of ideas. The problem is that the faithful think that by insulting their religion, you're insulting them. It's an emotional response.

      > It doesn't work, and as a result aggressive atheism becomes just as annoying as a couple of smiling Jehovah's ringing your doorbell on Saturday, minus the 'credibility' of white shirts and smiles.

      By what metric are you using to determine it doesn't work? Your own personal opinion, what you believe? That is deserving of being mocked.

      September 6, 2011 at 9:31 am |
    • evolvedDNA

      BG.. > My bottom line bítch with atheists is that it's obviously counterproductive to attack the beliefs rather than the politics.

      you see a difference? We hear from Christian folks that Islam is a political system, and then we see the tea party form and speak in religious /political terms.

      September 6, 2011 at 10:01 am |
    • evolvedDNA

      BG I would be interested in understanding your position.. you are not atheist, but you sound like you are a christian of some sort...maybe you believe in god but not religion? I do not understand, either, your position that atheists only , or mainly "attack" Christians. I read many posts on other sites that discuss all other "religions" and cults.

      September 6, 2011 at 11:18 am |
    • BG

      @ Sperms & Egg

      "We hear from Christian folks that Islam is a political system..."

      So now only Christians think islam is theocratic? Good little dhimmi. Here's a treat.

      @ Bob

      "That is deserving of being mocked."

      You know, I was actually going to respond to you until you closed with that, but it's my personal policy not to indulge labile kids. Just fyi, when you make excuses for targeting a specific group over any others, you can't call yourself by a term implying 'universality.' You and those like you are not 'atheists.' You're simply hiding behind it.... using the term for cover, and giving it a black eye in the process.

      September 6, 2011 at 12:09 pm |
    • The Bobinator

      > You know, I was actually going to respond to you until you closed with that, but it's my personal policy not to indulge labile kids.

      I think you mean to say "I look for any excuse not to address people who intellectually destroy my position. The only way I can save face is to call someone a kid and then pretend that I won."

      > Just fyi, when you make excuses for targeting a specific group over any others, you can't call yourself by a term implying 'universality.'

      Did you not understand my first example where I showed you this was wrong? Let me dumb it down for you a bit. I have a goal. This goal is to reduce the number of people who have faith. In my region there are more christians then non christians. Therefore I target christians. This does not hurt the message nor does it mean I'm not impartial. I'm simply going for what will help me achieve my goal. All faith is nonsense and I treat it all the same. And therefore, I am universal in my approach to religion.

      > You and those like you are not 'atheists.' You're simply hiding behind it.... using the term for cover, and giving it a black eye in the process.

      I like how you define a group based on what it doesn't believe. It underlines your faulty thinking. Tell me, what defining characteristic do "aleprechaunists" have? Of course, besides not believing in leprechauns.

      If you can't list a definitive characteristic based on a non-belief, then what business do you have telling anyone that they're not atheists? Buddists are atheists and they have faith. So are those nutty raelians. They simply don't believe in a God. They believe in all sorts of other nonsense however.

      That's ok. Call me a kid if it makes you feel better and walk away. It's probably better that way because I'm so far ahead of you it's silly.

      September 6, 2011 at 12:57 pm |
    • BG

      @ Evolved (or at least working on it)

      " BG I would be interested in understanding your position.. you are not atheist, but you sound like you are a christian of some sort...maybe you believe in god but not religion?"

      This is something I used to go through with David Johnson every other month before we both got bored..

      "Religion" can be defined by the individual to suit their own need for comfort, assurance, power, or powerlessness. I have no problem with 'personal' belief, as long as it stays personal. The problem is most every society and culture, we have this 'birds of a feather' thing going on... resulting in the obvious group dynamics that become problematic, and in most cases, counterproductive to both the needs of the culture and nature of belief itself.

      Argue as you might that religion requires a social network. I disagree. Religion in and of itself is fine, and to most fallible human beings, necessary. So you see, Evolved, we -might- have more in common than not, as far as the 'concept' of religion is concerned, but in that I take just as much exception to the 'application' as you do. Which is why I'll always support criticism of the politics of religion. I, however, will never condemn the right to individual belief, even though it's a double-edged sword.

      Pop-culture atheism is going about it back-ass wards, attacking the veracity of the belief (really a fool's errand, right?) rather than countering the political impact of what's basically a lobby. When 'atheists', (or pseudo-atheists) uniquely condemn christianity (or in the case of true atheists, all religions) they're not -really- objecting to the individual belief. They're objecting to the effect of the crowd dynamic propagated by organized, ie., 'managing' religious leaders.

      As far as I'm concerned, that's where it goes awry, as there's too much opportunity for the infiltration of the ideas or agenda of 'leaders.' Of course theologians, politicians and humanists alike all argue, with some credibility, that religion needs control, lest we all end up 'practicing' our own respective weirdnesses. Do the 'personal rights' of religion trump the need to protect society? Most reasonable people would think not, but does 'religion' get a say in what's right for the society in which they are a part? It does, at least in a country built in part on the concept of religious freedom.

      This brings us full-circle to the argument of culturalism vrs pluralism, where one religion is dominant within a culture, and the others are subordinated, vrs all religions having 'equal priority' within the society. Guess what.. in a democracy where public policy is determined by the voting consti tuency, there will, inherently, always be a minority. Winners get their way. Losers sulk and feel oppressed. In short, a democratic republic cannot tolerate pure multiculturalism. Pluralism, while a nice thought, is impossible to maintain without coercive intervention (rules that haven't been 'voted' on...) and artificial appeasement (we'll mandate that the xyz's get a seat on council, even though they're only a 1.5% minority....).

      It's just the way it is here. It just not pc to acknowledge it.

      September 6, 2011 at 1:10 pm |
    • BG

      @ Bobbo

      "Let me dumb it down for you a bit"

      People like Evolved who ask civil questions get thoughtful, sincere answers.

      Catching on?

      September 6, 2011 at 1:13 pm |
    • BG

      @ EvolvedDNA

      I need to apologize to you... it seems we might be cross-posting, and it's my fault. I'm trying to multi-task, and a post will sit open on my screen for a while before it gets submitted.

      Sorry. I'll try to be more timely.

      September 6, 2011 at 1:26 pm |
    • BG

      @ The Bobinatrix

      I just saw this and laughed...

      " I have a goal. This goal is to reduce the number of people who have faith."

      You're an idiot, but at least you're worth a laugh so you're a useful idiot. 😆

      September 6, 2011 at 1:31 pm |
    • EvolvedDNA

      BG.. thanks for the answer.. I see where you are coming from..I also get on here at random times and with the speed at which comments get posted individual discussions can get buried very quickly...PS. the sperm and the egg analogy I had mentioned earlier was my thoughts on the way that how it is counter to compromise as described in the Venn diagram.. whereas all sperm are attempting to get through the wall of the egg but only one will make it.. no comprise... all or nothing. the rest are ignored..

      September 6, 2011 at 1:42 pm |
    • Peace2All

      @BG

      Well, you know... I would tell you that "you are making some very valid points here" but since as you know, I seem to get a lot of flack whenever I jump in on your side and recognize the relevance and validity of your points, or say "hey buddy, how ya' doing...?" I can' say it here... that " you are making some very valid points here."

      Hope that you had a good holiday weekend, pal.

      Regards,

      Peace...

      September 6, 2011 at 1:59 pm |
    • The Bobinator

      > You're an idiot, but at least you're worth a laugh so you're a useful idiot.

      Then you should have no problem refuting responses. Because from my vantage point, you're a dog running away with it's tail inbetween it's legs, yipping all the way.

      September 6, 2011 at 2:01 pm |
    • The Bobinator

      > People like Evolved who ask civil questions get thoughtful, sincere answers.

      I don't think you're capable of that. Given your past posts here. 🙂

      September 6, 2011 at 2:03 pm |
    • BG

      @ Peace

      Hey buddy.. rain here, but we cooked out anyway under the porch. Did you get your holiday rib-eye? We did Delmonicos. Now was that a "can'" with an apostrophe, or an unfinished "can't"? Don't tell me that you're trying to straddle the fence again!

      @ Bobby

      What'sa matter, you can't make your smiley move it's mouth? 😆

      Try fresh batteries.

      September 6, 2011 at 2:11 pm |
    • BG

      @ Don't Call Me Bobby, My Name is Robert

      " Because from my vantage point..."

      Oh, I shouldn't... I should be more like Peace2All and be kind and courteous to everyone, even the boobs. But I... I can't. I gotta be me...

      The "vantage point" is pretty bad when you have your head up your ass.

      ++++++++++++
      Sorry Peace... I tried.

      September 6, 2011 at 2:17 pm |
    • The Bobinator

      > The "vantage point" is pretty bad when you have your head up your ass.

      I refute your points and I'm met with a slightly more wordy version of "ur stupid." And I'm the one with my head up his ass.

      Well played sir, I am vanquished.

      September 6, 2011 at 3:23 pm |
    • BG

      @ Bob

      Ain't introspection great? Cheaper than therapy, too.

      September 6, 2011 at 3:47 pm |
  17. Hesalive

    Satan loves a religion that rejects the deity of Jesus Christ.

    September 5, 2011 at 3:09 pm |
    • Martin T

      Your actual statement would read better if it read, "The mythical Satan loves any religion that hates the Mythical jesus." It's all make believe and if you believe you are making a mistake.

      September 5, 2011 at 3:47 pm |
    • Answer

      I'm sure your Jesus Christ is long dead and was never even what you wanted him to be. You needn't flog your tirade any longer since you never liked nor knew Jesus for what a dou – che he was.

      September 5, 2011 at 10:08 pm |
    • Carla

      Jesus Christ is the Answer to all Muslims as well as to stupid atheists.

      September 5, 2011 at 10:39 pm |
    • TheRationale

      Carla that's very Christian of you.

      And yes atheists are stupid for not believing that a two thousand year old man performed magic tricks. Or any other such story.

      September 5, 2011 at 11:16 pm |
    • Carla

      And atheists believe that out of nothing the creation creates itself. The wildest fantasies. When was such thing observed? Why can't you make your pathetic self immortal on earth if the thesis was true? Atheism = anti-scientific

      September 6, 2011 at 12:01 am |
    • AGuest9

      Carla, it's time for your meds, dear.

      September 6, 2011 at 9:09 am |
    • The Bobinator

      > And atheists believe that out of nothing the creation creates itself.

      No, they don't. You'd know this if you talked to someone other then apologists.

      > When was such thing observed?

      You don't know what the "observed" means in science. For the creation of our universe, the observation is the background radiation.

      > Why can't you make your pathetic self immortal on earth if the thesis was true? Atheism = anti-scientific

      Wow. Just wow.

      September 6, 2011 at 2:06 pm |
    • max

      satan. whos that? the bible is like reading a comic book. INSERT NEMESIS HERE

      September 6, 2011 at 8:27 pm |
  18. ChRIST TEMPLAR

    Love muslim, open persecution.org and faithfreedom.org
    ask http://quran.com/5/51

    September 5, 2011 at 2:40 pm |
  19. *frank*

    The US is gay.

    September 5, 2011 at 2:37 pm |
    • Martin T

      You are a TROLL... go away, you are a disgrace

      September 5, 2011 at 3:07 pm |
    • depends

      It is good for countries like China where there is a population burst, for US not that great an idea...you may want to rethink your idea.

      September 5, 2011 at 3:12 pm |
    • bai ling

      Excuse me, we are not going in that kind of direction ...we are just starting to heal and get closer to God who we rejected in the past.

      September 5, 2011 at 3:15 pm |
    • Tweety

      I believe that the US is gay. Its like no matter what we do, we always end up taking it in the ass.

      September 5, 2011 at 6:52 pm |
    • Carla

      The US has the best humans( a powerful, educated Evangelical Christian population) on earth. The US has a hope because of them. All they need to do is silencing the blasphemies of atheists and the haters of God.

      September 5, 2011 at 10:44 pm |
    • AGuest9

      Carla, is that the Evangelicals who drag their wives around by the hair?

      September 6, 2011 at 9:11 am |
    • max

      carla, your logic fails. atheists dont hate god.

      id suggest you may want to slow down and insert some logic into your rants.

      September 6, 2011 at 8:31 pm |
  20. Nicholas Voss

    The Muslim opinion about America is irrelevant.

    September 5, 2011 at 1:54 pm |
    • BG

      Actually it isn't, in that it is dangerous.

      The Islamic animosity towards us will be their undoing in the west.

      It's already begun to undermine their 'welcome' in Europe – the beginning of the end of a failed agenda.

      September 5, 2011 at 2:36 pm |
    • Uneducated

      Welcome to the team.

      September 5, 2011 at 3:25 pm |
    • Answer

      If they were irrelevant – then this whole article needn't exist.

      Proving that they are relevant. I'd say that your great nation has plans to induce your populace more into starting more wars.
      Pretty sure of that... expect not only your kids of this generation, but also the next generation – they will become soldiers for the slaughter. Now aren't you glad that I've let you known the facts?

      September 5, 2011 at 10:11 pm |
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