September 6th, 2011
04:40 PM ET

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  1. believer

    I don't consider myself religous. I am a believer in Christ. He is the truth, not a religion? And you can say I'm gullible, if that's what you think that's fine. Freedom of speech.

    September 8, 2011 at 2:14 pm |
  2. crownme

    jesus is like charles manson. both human. when charles dies he WONT come back. Charles just didnt have enough time to brainwash as many people as jesus did!!

    September 8, 2011 at 1:31 pm |
    • Uncouth Swain

      And this has to do with archaeology how?

      September 8, 2011 at 1:37 pm |
    • Kevin

      You know, this article is about a scientific-based discovery. This may offer the "proof" some people need to finally admit that the events in the Bible were true. And here you are so hateful making a comparison of a mass-murderer and Jesus. If you won't believe the Bible and you won't believe the scientific discoveries, what is left? Manson led his followers to commit murder, Jesus was murdered (where's the comparison?) Brainwashing? Really? Probably ought to get checked out if you cannot find truth in the factual discoveries occuring around the world. Consider this-no one has ever seen a T-Rex, but we all know they existed because they left remains around for us to discover. David probably existed and left stuff around for us to discover. Jesus probably existed and we will find his stuff eventually as well. Your ignorance and closed-mindedness is really alarming.

      September 8, 2011 at 2:59 pm |
    • crownme

      And what exactly does your comment have to do with archeology? 😉

      September 8, 2011 at 3:00 pm |
    • crownme

      Im not saying i dont believe jesus existed, he was actually pretty smart in my opinion. It takes a smart individual to lead a revolution like he has and that is still continuing today. I just believe all of that mess.. A man parting a sea? REALLY?? a spirit making the world in seven days a few thousand years ago?? REALLY It's just hard to believe all of this crap. In fact MOST of it is. The only proof of religion is hearsay and a book that was written by men that was "brainwashed" by Jesus or his previous "followers". I guess you are also scared of dragons as well dude! LMAO althouogh i believe "faith is a gift, which i dont have"..

      September 9, 2011 at 8:23 am |
    • Uncouth Swain

      @crownme- any evidence of this so called brainwashing..or are you guessing? Maybe you are feeling they were.

      September 9, 2011 at 3:26 pm |
  3. believer

    I just made your case? And what case exactly were you working towards?

    September 8, 2011 at 12:54 pm |
  4. believer

    So athiests can push there beliefs in the school system, I.e. Evolution theory? But christians can't try to push there's? That's a bit hypocrytical wouldn't you say? And seeing how are forefathers built this nation on christianity I would say its athiests trying to convert a christian nation into a secular one. Not the other way around. Have a great day 🙂

    September 8, 2011 at 12:32 pm |
    • Northwoods

      Lousy comment. Since when has the scientific theory of evolution become a atheist theory. Many Christians, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists etc. believe in the theory of evolution. It is a small group of religious fundamentalists that doesn't and tries to put religious creationism in school curriculums.

      September 8, 2011 at 1:44 pm |
    • Northwoods

      And by the way if you take the time to educate yourself our forefathers didn't want this to be a Christian nation. Read what Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin said about religion. Your pastor is brainwashing you and it seems your gullibility level is quite high.

      September 8, 2011 at 1:58 pm |
  5. Northwoods

    To Uncouth: You bcame upset and denied that Israeli fundamentalists view themselves as a Jewish "master race". A few examples. Former Chief Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, leader of the Shaa Party in the Knesset claimed that goyim (non-Jews) were created, like donkeys to serve the Jews. The government was silent on his views of a Jewish "master race". We have the popular book " Torat Hamelech" written by two Rabbis and supported by many more that is a religious justification for Jews to kill goyim and even their babies pre-emptively since goyim are born "uncompassionate". Other Rabbis call for the anhiliation of all Arabs, using Palestinian children as "human shields" and many of the settlers teach their children that goyim are sub-human. Although Israel complains about Palestinian "incitement" it does not view the comments by its alleged holy men as incitement even though most are government employees. At least, two weeks ago, one of the authors of "Torat Hamelech" was banned from entry to they UK due to the hate speech in the book. it seems in Israel that the "chosen people" mantra has morphed into something more akin to a "master race". It also appears that anti-Goyimism is growing.

    September 8, 2011 at 12:29 pm |
    • Uncouth Swain

      Why are you referencing a man that held a political non-legislative post back in 1983 as if he is important now. Hey, don't trust the Russians either..you know, because they were communist back in 1983..lol.

      Maybe you should do a bit of research on the current Chief Rabbi in Israel. You might have better luck being relevant then.

      September 8, 2011 at 1:50 pm |
    • Northwoods

      To Uncouth: Playing down the comments of the Former Chief Rabbi on a Jewish "master race". I don't care when he was Chief Rabbi but I do care that he is the leader of of the Shaa Party in the government and has thousands of followers that beleive him. It is slso quite telling that the government was silent on his comments. He also has two Rabbi sons who espouse the same things. Can you imagine the uproar in the US if John Boehner claimed that non-Christians were created, like donkeys, to serve the Christians? Yet in Israel the government is silent.

      September 8, 2011 at 2:20 pm |
    • Uncouth Swain

      @Northwoods- It's not playing down a person that has no real power. First off, he is NOT the leader of the Shas (not Shaa) party. Eli Yishai is their leader. Also the Shas Party has a whopping 10 seats out of the 120 seats of the Knesset. You wouldn't be trying to say that a party that only makes up 1/12th of the legislative branch of govt is really that powerful would you?

      You talk about the lack of the Israeli govt as if that equals a lack in a Jewish response. The American Jewish Committee condemned him before.

      It's also funny how you missed this from the Rabbi, "All human beings wherever they are creatures of God, and therefore should treat everyone with respect, honesty and equality, and certainly should not forbid the destruction of the life of an innocent man, a Jew, a Christian and a Muslim person."

      Again, you might want to hesitate from condemning a large group of ppl based on the prejudices and false info you have of one single person.

      September 8, 2011 at 2:57 pm |
    • Northwoods

      To uncouth: Rabbi Yosef is the spiritual leader of the Shas with thousands of followers and in 2005 was voted the 23 most important person in Israel's history, yet he believes in a Jewish "master race". His party is one of the controlling parties in the coalition and wields more influence than their numbers show. He has called for the anihilation of all Arabs also. Its clear that Israel's government has been taken over by religious fanatics that more than match the ayatollahs and the world is noticing. Like I said the "chosen people" mantra has morphed into something more akin to a master race.

      September 8, 2011 at 4:51 pm |
    • Uncouth Swain

      "Rabbi Yosef is the spiritual leader of the Shas with thousands of followers and in 2005 was voted the 23 most important person in Israel's history, yet he believes in a Jewish "master race"."

      ~Ah..finally someone has discovered wikipedia and google. Good for you, but I am disappointed that you didn't apologize for being wrong on your info. You do neglect to say who voted him as an "important" person or even what "important" means in this case. You are assuming it's s good thing. Remember that Time has their person of the year recognition and that does not mean something good. I'm sorry...Yosef and his opinions don't mean much.

      "His party is one of the controlling parties in the coalition and wields more influence than their numbers show."

      ~Sounds like a factless opinion there. Tell us thise power they wield.

      "He has called for the anihilation of all Arabs also. Its clear that Israel's government has been taken over by religious fanatics that more than match the ayatollahs and the world is noticing."

      ~If possible, plz try and visit Israel, Gaza and the West Bank regions some time in your life. You'll see that the nation of Israel is quite secular. Especially when you look at their neighbors.

      "Like I said the "chosen people" mantra has morphed into something more akin to a master race."

      ~That's just typical "I hate Israel" talk.

      September 8, 2011 at 8:37 pm |
  6. believer

    Why do atheists care if people believe in God, or Jesus for that matter? Why do you feel the need to push your point? Does it really bother you that much that we have faith in our Savior? I do not need any scientific proof to believe that God exists or the bible is undeniable truth. Directly because I have faith. Proof is just a cherry on top. But the most accredited. Scientist in the world could "find" proof the bible is wrong and I would still believe in Christ. Sorry if this upsets you athiests that feel the need to call christians idiots. Its just the way it is.

    September 8, 2011 at 10:06 am |
    • EnjaySea

      Because christians don't keep their faiths to themselves. They push it in schools, they push it in government, and until they stop their campaign of converting this secular nation into a christian one, we will continue to speak up. Deal with it.

      September 8, 2011 at 11:41 am |
  7. Northwoods

    To Uncouth: You lie! Several Israeli archeologists have even said that archeology has been used in Israel to disenfranchize and take land from Palestinians. Silwan is a perfect case. It is a group of settler thugs protected by the government that keeps stealing more land and continues abusing the Palestinians around them. Like I said just google silwan to see what a liar Uncouth is . You are obviously a Zionist that wants any and all the land no matter how you get it.

    September 8, 2011 at 8:22 am |
    • Uncouth Swain

      Prove that I lied. Or just continue rambling like a crazy person. Whatever makes you happy 😉

      September 8, 2011 at 1:51 pm |
    • Uncouth Swain

      I've been to Silwan and guess what?? It is within the jurisdiction of Israel. Again, Israel has the legal right to protect archaeological sites. They have done that whether sites are Jewish, Arab, Christian...etc.
      I highly recommend that ppl do research Silwan, where it is, what archaeological sites are there and every other aspect of it. Not just what the haters want you to read and more importantly...feel.

      September 8, 2011 at 1:55 pm |
    • J.W

      How dare you Uncouth! I thought you were on this blog to share your beliefs, but you are here to try to get more land.

      September 8, 2011 at 1:55 pm |
    • Uncouth Swain

      Yeah..because I could really use some Israeli land here in WV. *rolls eyes*

      September 8, 2011 at 1:59 pm |
  8. Carla

    Jews, the Davidic Kingdom is coming to you again very soon in the complete, finished form, and all the villain nations who hate you will be utterly shamed and punished. Trust in your Divine King Jesus now. He came to the Planet Earth for YOU!!! Unless you read the New Testament Bible, your Jewish Bible will never make sense to you. WAKE UP, JEWS!

    September 7, 2011 at 10:54 pm |
  9. John


    September 7, 2011 at 10:07 pm |
  10. fred

    John Richardson
    You need more proof:
    We have a written account by Moses that actually reaches back to the cradle of civilization. Here we have the first commandment love and obey God which was broken by man. Time period was around that point when man evolved or was given self awareness. This is that point when God made man in His image. That could have been 12,500 years ago or more likely if God elected to use an evolutionary process 90,000-250,000 years ago when modern man arrived. In the text we read love and worship of God was established in the Garden. Man breaks the commandment and we have Cain and Abel with the first recorded murder at 4,000 -10,000 BC. Penalty was being driven away from and cursed by God. Away from God corruptions of all kinds became common. Fast forward to Jesus in 30 AD we have two commandments. Love the lord your God with all your heart and love your neighbor as yourself “all the rest of the law flow from these”.
    Argue as you may you cannot get around that basic starting point for law. If everyone simply follow the prime Divine Command / Law we have that wonderful world everyone wants. You cannot kill, hate, covet, cheat, dishonor if you love and obey God. Moses brought down these commandments in stone about 1430 BC and until recently they hung in schools of law and our court houses around the land. Not because they are myth but because they are foundational.

    Do you really want a godless civilization? It did not work for Stalin because all you accomplish is placing a man or some state oracle on the throne. Whether you believe in God or not will never change the fact there is or is not God. Put a period on that one because it is your atheist thought that must conclude the same. You and I are in total agreement at this point. Now, we disagree in that you think man has evolved enough to live without God (real or imagined) while all empirical observation points to a childish, backward, evil majority that is driven by pride and lust.

    September 7, 2011 at 12:31 pm |
    • John Richardson

      Fred, You presume to tell me that I need more proof and then launch into a list of fanciful fables? People have both condemned killing and killed for a long, long time. The first condemnation didn't come 3500 years ago and adding that condemnation to the heap didn't stop the slaughter. Indeed, by their own admission, the Israelites went on a genocidal campaign against the Canaanites shortly after having received this commandment. That's what a GodFUL society is like.

      I want a society in which there is universal freedom of conscience and belief. When the religious hold power, that hasn't happened. When communists hold power, it hasn't happened. The only societies with a decent (albeit improvable) track record on this have tended to be secular societies.

      September 7, 2011 at 2:16 pm |
    • Uncouth Swain

      "It did not work for Stalin because all you accomplish is placing a man or some state oracle on the throne."

      I would say there were other more significant reasons why the Russian form of communism failed.
      Also I would be cautious with mixing the failures of a govt with that of how they treat religion. After all, even the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah fell.

      September 7, 2011 at 2:46 pm |
    • fred

      Unouth Swain
      Those kingdoms fell because they first rejected God and did not live by their own Gods rules

      September 7, 2011 at 4:21 pm |
    • fred

      John Richardson
      My bad I was replying to your comment where you said there is no proof Gods law was divine as mans law existed before hand.
      The first commandment was established perhaps 90,000 or more years ago when God talked to Adam and Eve (i.e. love and worship God). Thou shall not kill was 4,000 -10,000 BC. You have no records before that date and Moses was passing on what was passed on to him.
      A benevolent King would be best but such has never been found. Secular by itself will never work as it goes amuck. You need the church. Good and evil have existed a long time just as + – forces in the world. One cannot have balance with opposition.

      September 7, 2011 at 4:36 pm |
    • Uncouth Swain

      "Those kingdoms fell because they first rejected God and did not live by their own Gods rules"

      Not exactly. Though they did pervert justice, simple redemption would not have worked. The Kingdoms had to be crushed and the remnant that survived would go on to be the Suffering Servant spoken by Isaiah.

      September 7, 2011 at 6:19 pm |
    • Northwoods

      Your claim is ridiculous. That having a God makes people moral. I have traveled through out the world and lived in places that had no organized religion. They believed in spirits in objects or animism. These people had the same basic moral values against murder, stealing, incest etc. All the major religions have these also. Man invents religion. It starts out with magic to answer the unexplainable ie thunder, lightning and moves to myth to explain how we got here and then moves on to religion. Your religion is no better than a tribe's beliefs that a rock on their island has spirits in it that they have to provide an offering to when they walk by it. Whether it's magic, myth or religion they are all invented by man, not a God.

      September 8, 2011 at 8:41 am |
    • fred

      You just made my case, thank you ! How Divine that Gods moral law went to all cultures throughout the world. With the passage of time (12,000 – 250,000 years depending on which theory of modern man evolution you subscribe to) these different cultures may have failed to pass down the specific origin of the moral laws but you can see the footprint. All those good evolutionists out there that point to the thread of the ape must also acknowledge the Divine nature of Gods moral law. Same basic comandments of God spread throughout all surviving cultures over all known recorded history. That is so by emperical observation and 5000 years of recorded events.
      Again thank you.

      September 8, 2011 at 12:39 pm |
  11. JohnQuest

    Even if true and this is the actual city that a king name David presided over, what does that really mean for the faithful, nothing changes as far as I can tell. It only proves that the city and maybe a King name David ruled, nothing else.

    September 7, 2011 at 11:56 am |
    • WIlliam Demuth

      It means the Jews will kill more Palestinians for the greater glory of Yaveh

      September 7, 2011 at 12:03 pm |
    • J.W

      I just think that it is intended to be evidence that there was a kingdom. No one claims that this is proof that everything that happened was true. But many claim that David never existed. As far as whether the things that he did or the power or size of Israel at the time, we do not have evidence of that, and I do not think people claim thats what this is.

      September 7, 2011 at 12:22 pm |
    • Laughing

      It actually means that if they did find the City of David in those parts, then it is historically jewish and thus rightfully jewish land, not palestinian land. I think that's the main point of it.

      William, aint that the sad truth, however it's not exactly like the palestinians aren't exactly asking for it, keep in mind that in the past 40 years they could have sat down at the table and tried to work this out peacefully, instead they have called for Israels destruction and want to kill every last one of them, is it really the israeli's fault that they fought better and won?

      September 7, 2011 at 12:34 pm |
    • J.W

      The Israelis and Palestinians are going to sit down and work this all out soon. They want to love each other, their history just tells them that they shouldn't. They probably do not remember what they are fighting about anymore.

      September 7, 2011 at 12:43 pm |
    • JohnQuest

      Laughing, I think you are correct, that is the spin that will be placed on it. I also agree that "to the victors goes the spoils", right or wrong. I don't think it's entirely the fault of the Palestinians, it also appears that the Israelis were not negotiating in good faith either. I don't think either truly wants peace.

      September 7, 2011 at 12:45 pm |
    • Magic

      "No one claims that this is proof that everything that happened was true."

      Really? Haven't you seen posts from herbert, justina, prism, heavensent and quite a few others who claim *exactly* this? For every one of them on here, there are many, many thousands just like them in real life.

      September 7, 2011 at 12:46 pm |
    • J.W

      Well maybe there are some psychos, but I wasnt counting them.

      September 7, 2011 at 12:49 pm |
    • Uncouth Swain

      @Demuth- you don't know the politics of Israel very well do you? What you are implying could rest more fully with the Palestinians than Israel. Archaeology within the Palestinian circle of influence has a bad habit of ignoring or even destroying info that shows a Jewish presence in the land back in the ancient days. Research archaeology of the Temple Mount region, specifically that of the Temple Mount Sifting Project.

      September 7, 2011 at 2:50 pm |
  12. Reality

    "The notion that the Bible is not literally true "is more or less settled and understood among most Conservative rabbis," observed David Wolpe, a rabbi at Sinai Temple in Los Angeles and a contributor to "Etz Hayim." But some congregants, he said, "may not like the stark airing of it." Last Passover, in a sermon to 2,200 congregants at his synagogue, Rabbi Wolpe frankly said that "virtually every modern archaeologist" agrees "that the way the Bible describes the Exodus is not the way that it happened, if it happened at all." The rabbi offered what he called a "LITANY OF DISILLUSION”' about the narrative, including contradictions, improbabilities, chronological lapses and the absence of corroborating evidence. In fact, he said, archaeologists digging in the Sinai have "found no trace of the tribes of Israel – not one shard of pottery."

    September 7, 2011 at 11:49 am |
  13. sheetiron

    But you don't fight. You just send out purposely confrontational offensive statements about religion across the internet for the sole purpose of starting an argument. The compulsion to debate and argue is so strong you almost do it out of desperation. It's truly sad that so many atheist have that bad insecurity issues that the only way for them to feel confident in themselves and in their beliefs is to get in a debate. Go put up a "Reason Not Faith" billboard or something.

    September 7, 2011 at 11:07 am |
    • WIlliam Demuth

      I believe we just did!

      September 7, 2011 at 11:34 am |
    • claybigsby

      1st amendment rights buddy...open a book other than the bible.

      September 7, 2011 at 4:02 pm |
  14. chad

    Answer: statements like "stupid Jesus talk and support", "Poor fools" is why I'm drawing the conclusion that Atheists are angry.

    Regarding "religious laws", are you saying that the minute my viewpoint is reflective of a biblical stance on morality, I can no longer lobby my government for that stance?

    September 7, 2011 at 9:13 am |
    • WIlliam Demuth

      What about religious war?

      What about turning away from logic? How about the thousands dead in religious cults, and your zealots nasty habit of killing innocent people?

      How about trying to sneak your imaginary God into my kids classroom?

      How about the Pog Roms, 9-11, the Witch burnings, the Holocaust, and the persecution of enormous sectors of society

      Perhaps the child buggery perpetuated on the young, and the defrauding of the old?

      I could go on all day!

      September 7, 2011 at 9:20 am |
    • WIlliam Demuth


      If your Biblical stance is permissible, than a Koranic, or Talmudic, or Mormonistic, or Zoroastrian, or Buddhist, or Shintoist stance is as well.

      September 7, 2011 at 9:27 am |
    • chad

      Two points:
      1) Every citizen of the US has the right to lobby the govt on issues. That means everyone, Christian, Jewish, Islam, Buddhist, whatever. End of story.
      2) Atheists love to cherry pick the worst of each religion (current and historical) and ascribe that to all "religions", that is an invalid/irrational argument. Do I get to attribute Joseph Stalins/Pol Pot/Mao Tse-tung activities to all atheists? Look at all the people they killed, does that mean I get to discount your viewpoint as you are trying to discount a viewpoint held by a Christian?

      September 7, 2011 at 11:54 am |
    • WIlliam Demuth


      Your point about communists is valid, but you miss one point.

      Communisim was merely an attempt to replace the cult of Jesus with the cult of Marx.

      Anyone who elevates a mere man to a God status is ASKING for atrocities to happen.

      Luckily, people have overthrown the Cult of Marx and Lennin, just as they shal also overthrow the Cult of Christ.

      September 7, 2011 at 12:02 pm |
    • chad

      William you're missing the point I'm making, which is: Atheists don't get to advocate silencing viewpoints held by "religious" people just because those ideas are in line with religious doctrine any more than religious people get to advocate silencing viewpoints held by atheists just because those views are in line with atheistic thinking.

      Debate the specific policy issue within the public domain.

      September 7, 2011 at 12:13 pm |
  15. WIlliam Demuth

    The Jews could dig a hole in Manhattan and find a subway and declare it the Kingdom of David.

    When science is used to promote Theocracy all mankind suffers.

    This is just archeological phrenology

    September 7, 2011 at 8:54 am |
    • Ed

      @William Demuth

      "When science is used to promote Theocracy all mankind suffers"

      So if science proves something that the religious belaive is correct then man suffers? Why? If it is correct it is correct why is it wrong for us to know its correctjust because its part of a religious belief? How do we suffer? what little faith you have in your religion. You call your religion science but it seems yiou treat it like a religion.

      September 7, 2011 at 9:04 am |
    • WIlliam Demuth


      Science is a tool, and can be missused.

      It is NOT my religion by any stretch of logic.

      As for how people suffer, consider the THOUSANDS of Palestinians who will die at the hands of the Zionists, who use Bronze Age history as a rational to kill more innocent people.

      September 7, 2011 at 9:08 am |
    • Ed

      so in your opinon if science proves something that religious people believe it should simply be ignored?

      September 7, 2011 at 9:36 am |
    • Samsword

      Great things have been inspired by religion too. Countless humanitarian efforts have been made by religious people. Why do people only see the negative minority? Furthermore there have been horrible acts in the name of atheism too. Hitler, Stalin, Chairman Mao, the Khmer Rouge. It's not only religionists. Stop letting news reporters tell you what to think... After all they are only selling sensationalism anyway. Get out and look for the good in people. It'll make you happier.

      September 7, 2011 at 9:53 am |
    • WIlliam Demuth


      That’s absurd.

      Truth is truth, but MANY manipulate limited data to further an agenda

      Alas I do have GREAT concerns about half truths being created to suit a political agenda. I have seen zealots use psuedo-science to justify mass murder.

      Frankly archeology should NOT be used to justify todays political warfare.

      September 7, 2011 at 9:56 am |
    • WIlliam Demuth


      Unless you are quite wealthy and old, I doubt you have spent even a tiny fraction of the time I have studying the world.

      Everywhere I look, I see the blood stained hands of Zealots.

      You mention the communists, who merely made Marx into Jesus and continued the slaughter.

      Dogma is dogma, and MANY die because of it.

      September 7, 2011 at 9:59 am |
    • Ed

      no one said it should but tghe evidence should not be desmissed or ignored either. Which is what a lot of atheist on this blog are doing and what your previous comment seemed to indicate you were in favor of

      September 7, 2011 at 10:49 am |
    • WIlliam Demuth


      I believe in finding truth, as I believe most Athiests also want.

      My concern is, even if this IS the city mentioned in the Bible, that does NOT mean that the Jews can use it to put a scientific face on Zionisim.

      But rest assured, zealots in Israel shall twist WHATEVER is found to justify more settlements and more dead Palestinians.

      September 7, 2011 at 10:55 am |
    • Ed

      you may turn out to be right but your jumping the gun at this point no such effort has been made. Also considering comments you've made on how to treat chaplians complaing about violence of religious people is a bit disingenous coming from you

      September 7, 2011 at 12:39 pm |
    • Uncouth Swain

      @Demuth-"As for how people suffer, consider the THOUSANDS of Palestinians who will die at the hands of the Zionists, who use Bronze Age history as a rational to kill more innocent people."

      I do not know of a single Palestinian killed because of what anyone thought in regards to the history of the land in question. Perhaps you have a direct reference to share?

      September 7, 2011 at 2:53 pm |
  16. Northwoods

    Israel uses archeology as a political tool to disenfranchize and to steal land from the Palestinians. A settler group named Elad claims it has also found the City of David in the Palestinian town on the outskirts of Jerusalem. They have renamed the Palestinian town, Silwan, to City of David all the while stealing more and more of Palestinin land for its settlers. This has been supported by the government and is a total fraud. Google Silwan to read more about this farce.

    September 7, 2011 at 8:44 am |
    • Muneef


      You got is right...we have learnt that some very small arab countries learned and did the same trick to give their countries some history that they had not... But the strongest talk was that the Iraqi pieces were targeted by Jews for the purpose of manipulating history in the MidEast in their favor supporting their claim over the Arabian lands...!!

      September 7, 2011 at 12:22 pm |
    • Uncouth Swain

      Northwoods...you are so wrong.

      Let's first separate a few things shall we? The State of Israel is not the Ir David Foundation or vice versa.

      Israel has never used archaeology to separate anyone from their land. If you had done more research you would have seen that the State of Israel blocked a lot of what the Ir David Foundation was trying to do.

      You also ignore that it is pretty much a historical fact that the "City of David" is were Silwan is. Israel does have laws to protect archaeological sites as they can. This does not just affect Palestinians but Israelis as well. You might also be interested in knowing that there have been confirmed evidence on the Temple Mount of a Jewish past. But does Israel kick the Muslims out? No..because unlike those running the Temple Mount...Israel actually cares about real science and archaeology.

      September 7, 2011 at 3:03 pm |
  17. Muneef

    They bury things and earth it to manipulate history findings... Maybe as well they could be the disappeared Iraqi museum pieces...!?

    September 7, 2011 at 7:27 am |
    • Uncouth Swain

      A unfounded accusation. How illogical.

      September 7, 2011 at 3:04 pm |
    • Muneef

      This was all over the news when Iraqi Babylon Museums where targeted and as was stated by knowledgable people....

      September 8, 2011 at 10:16 am |
    • Muneef

      Pillaging 7000 Years Of 
      Iraq History No Accident
      The Sacking Of Iraq's Museums –
      US Wages War Against Culture And History

      By Patrick Martin

      "US claims to have been taken by surprise by the ransacking of cultural facilities in Baghdad, Mosul and other cities are not credible. Such a tragedy was not only predictable, it was specifically warned against. . . . Attacking the cultural resources that connect the Iraqi people to 7,000 years of history is part of the process of systematically destroying their national ident-i-ty."

      September 8, 2011 at 12:47 pm |
    • Uncouth Swain

      Maybe I misunderstood...what does any of what you are saying have to do with an archaeological dig in Israel?

      September 8, 2011 at 1:57 pm |
    • Muneef

      Many strange archeological discoveries have been made in modern history. Hundreds ... At one time in history, human horns were used as signs of kingship. ...... have also tried to manipulate facts to push their own ideology. ...

      September 8, 2011 at 6:58 pm |
    • Muneef

      Scientific racism is the use of scientific techniques to sanction the belief in racial superiority or racism.[1]

      September 8, 2011 at 7:07 pm |
    • Muneef

      It means history will be rewritten all over...

      September 8, 2011 at 7:11 pm |
  18. Gerry SMith

    nah–nah ni nah nah

    September 7, 2011 at 6:59 am |
  19. revolation84

    Digging some buried history...

    September 7, 2011 at 3:30 am |
  20. Aristocles

    Is it just me, or do all of the Atheists come to these CNN pages because no one pays attention to them in real life? Most atheists won't get their controversial book published, and most have no books to write, so they come here and get into shouting matches with people who dare to believe.

    I used to be an atheist, but now I am a believer. Catholicism, if you must know.

    September 7, 2011 at 3:02 am |
    • John Richardson

      It's just you.

      September 7, 2011 at 7:14 am |
    • sheetiron


      No I don't think so. I personally believe that the reason so many atheists are here getting in "shouting matches" with believers is because they are insecure in their beliefs... or lack there of, and feel the need to win an argument or two in order to shake off their insecurity. It really sad to watch actually, but amusing at the same time.

      September 7, 2011 at 7:36 am |
    • WIlliam Demuth

      You are a liar.

      You fear the eternal night.

      Believe whatever you will, but rest assured you shall die, rot, and be forgotten.

      September 7, 2011 at 8:50 am |
    • The Holy Spirit is Total Bullshlt

      Ah, another fake "ex-atheist" who pretends to be a convert to religion.
      No atheist who came to that position using logic would ever leave that logic for a cheese-brained whiny masochist religion like Catholicism.
      Maybe you are a child of atheist parents.
      It doesn't matter much what sort of rebellious child you are when it is obvious you haven't the brains to think for yourself and are clueless when it comes to evaluating the claims of a religion.
      "ex-atheist" my ass.

      September 7, 2011 at 9:04 am |
    • AGuest9

      Well, sheetiron, some of us have seen how dangerously manipulative religion can be to the educational infrastructure in this country. That's why we fight. As scientists and biologists are attacked across the south, and how science and technology are being minimized in this country, while lies and fairy tales are being promoted as truth, we who support our childrens' education must continue to fight for them. The religious zealots brought this upon themselves.

      September 7, 2011 at 10:28 am |
    • Uncouth Swain

      @Aristocles- I think based on the majority of the comments directed toward you....you have been proven somewhat right.

      September 7, 2011 at 3:06 pm |
    • JasonB

      The only group that's dangerous to the education of our kids is your corrupt doctrine of science. How many kids will you teach that Salvation doesn't exist, standing in their way and letting them die to spend eternity in Hell, separated from the One who loves them? What do you know about Love?

      September 7, 2011 at 6:12 pm |
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