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Your take: Comments on religous changes sparked by 9/11
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September 6th, 2011
09:38 PM ET

Your take: Comments on religous changes sparked by 9/11

By John Blake, CNN

(CNN) - The September 11 attacks were more than a national tragedy; the event also set off spiritual crises.

That was the premise of a Sunday Belief Blog story that provoked more than 1,800 comments from impassioned readers.

The article, “4 Ways 9/11 changed America’s attitude toward religion," triggered some stinging exchanges among readers, who fought over the piece's four main assertions.

The story said that 9/11 made America more “humble,” spawned the rise of “Christo-Americanism,” galvanized interfaith efforts and emboldened atheists.

One exchange involved an atheist and a defender of  religion. Commentator Haime52 said that atheists go overboard when they say religion is irrational.

Are they jealous of the hope religious people have in something better? ….. They often ask for proof, visible proof. Who among them has seen evolution or the big bang? Who sat and watched for the millions of years, that they say it took to form fossils?

The atheists response: such criticism is irrational. One commenter, iamdeadlyserious, said that atheists don’t have the luxury of being irrational because their worldview is based on reason.

As for not "seeing" evidence for evolution or the Big Bang, both of those scientific theories have been tested, and ample evidence has been found to support them. But like all good science, they're open to changing when new information is introduced (unlike religion). And more importantly, there's zero evidence for a god. ’

Another reader, a young interfaith leader,  said that her generation is suspicious of anyone who claims his or her way is the only path to God. She said that exclusive claims to religious truth should become “obsolete" because 9/11 demonstrated the destructive power of that type of thinking (the 9/11 hijackers were motivated in part by an extremist form of Islam).

That reader wondered, though: If religions don’t say that they have the ruth, what are they good for? TheRationale commentator said:

Then why the heck believe one thing or another?  It's like there's a court case over who shot the other person first. You either have the monopoly on truth or you don't. It's the same with religions. They all claim to be the right one, and now we're saying...what?

Another commenter challenged the article's claim that America had been “humbled” by 9/11. Wave99 wrote:

As a result of our “non-humble” reactions – Iraq fell, Afghanistan was overrun, and several other nations felt and witnessed our resolve. I do not question whether we responded correctly which is another issue. But, I definitely chalk this article up as another biased writing that speaks mostly to the minority of our citizens who believe America SHOULD be humbled and who DO NOT believe we have religious and many other freedoms.

And, of course, whenever there is any talk about religion, some commentators get carried away. A commenter who identified as Corse, called a commenter he disagreed with a “sleazy bit of trash.”

Your removal from this realm of existence would be a real improvement. And if all the others of your ilk were disposed of as well, the whole country would rejoice!

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- CNN Writer

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  1. trxsuspension

    Hello. everyone.
    would like to make new friends with you guys.

    November 28, 2011 at 7:37 am |
  2. NoReligion

    Want world peace? Ban ALL religions and practice spirituality. Organized religion corrupts everything and everyone it touches; it relies on ignorance and fear to control its followers; and it foments hatred and violence against those who believe differently.

    September 9, 2011 at 11:10 am |
    • kimsland

      I agree with NoReligion.

      The only 'changes' that I could see is that a lot of people woke up and said, they believe in what?
      Seriously most children think that religion is ludicrous, but some get it pushed so hard onto them they start thinking its true.
      Very sad for this religious fools

      September 10, 2011 at 1:29 am |
    • Matt

      What the heck is spirituality?

      September 11, 2011 at 2:33 am |
    • SCAtheist

      Spirituality is a made up cover, so belivers don't have to go to church.

      September 13, 2011 at 6:54 am |
  3. John

    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGSvqMBj-ig&w=640&h=360]
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    September 9, 2011 at 9:05 am |
    • -----

      GARBAGE Alert – don't bother viewing click the report abuse link to get rid of this TROLL!

      September 16, 2011 at 4:26 pm |
  4. Carla

    Americans haven't changed. The secularists are like the ancient Egyptians.

    September 9, 2011 at 2:43 am |
    • Jim

      Except that the ancient Egyptians really believed in their gods. Believed enough to erect the pyramids.

      September 9, 2011 at 8:00 am |
    • Muneef

      Jim.
      As per the Quran the Egyptian King has asked Hamon to build a high edifice for him to go up to see and speak to the Lord of Moses... So maybe the first big pyramid was for that purpose before it became for some thing else...

      September 9, 2011 at 2:14 pm |
    • TheyNotHim

      The pyramids were built by the Visitors, silly. Humans did not possess the technology to accomplish that feat of engineering at the time, nor mathematics sophisticated enough to pull it off. All evidence points to help from Extra Terrestrials that were in the neighborhood at the time...

      October 3, 2011 at 9:40 pm |
  5. peace upon be with you

    Mat 24:6 ... for these things must needs come to pass; but the end is not yet.

    September 8, 2011 at 10:41 pm |
    • Reality

      Actually, Jesus was a bit "touched". After all he thought he spoke to Satan, thought he changed water into wine, thought he raised Lazarus from the dead etc. In today's world, said Jesus would be declared legally insane. -–

      Or did P, M, M, L and J simply make him into a first century magic-man via their epistles and gospels of semi-fiction? Most contemporary NT experts after thorough analyses of all the scriptures go with the latter magic-man conclusion with J's gospels being mostly fiction.

      Obviously, today's followers of Paul et al's "magic-man" are also a bit on the odd side believing in all the Christian mumbo jumbo about bodies resurrecting, and exorcisms, and miracles, and "magic-man atonement, and infallible, old, European, white men, and 24/7 body/blood sacrifices followed by consumption of said sacrifices. Yummy!!!!

      So why do we really care what a first century CE, illiterate, long-dead, preacher man would do or say?

      September 9, 2011 at 12:52 am |
  6. peace upon be with you

    Mat 24:1 And Jesus went out from the temple, and was going on his way; and his disciples came to him to show him the buildings of the temple.
    Mat 24:2 But he answered and said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
    Mat 24:3 And as he sat on the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
    Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man lead you astray.
    Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am the Christ; and shall lead many astray.
    Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumors of wars; see that ye be not troubled: for these things must needs come to pass; but the end is not yet.
    Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; and there shall be famines and earthquakes in divers places.
    Mat 24:8 But all these things are the beginning of travail.
    Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up unto tribulation, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all the nations for my name's sake.
    Mat 24:10 And then sshall many stumble, and shall deliver up one another, and shall hate one another.
    Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall arise, and shall lead many astray.
    Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall be multiplied, the love of the many shall wax cold.
    Mat 24:13 But he that endureth to the end, the same shall be saved.
    Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world for a testimony unto all the nations; and then shall the end come.
    Mat 24:15 When therefore ye see the abomination of desolation, which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let him that readeth understand),
    Mat 24:16 then let them that are in Judaea flee unto the mountains:
    Mat 24:17 let him that is on the housetop not go down to take out things that are in his house:
    Mat 24:18 and let him that is in the field not return back to take his cloak.
    Mat 24:19 But woe unto them that are with child and to them that give suck in those days!
    Mat 24:20 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on a sabbath:
    Mat 24:21 for then shall be great tribulation, such as hath not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, nor ever shall be.
    Mat 24:22 And except those days had been shortened, no flesh would have been saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
    Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is the Christ, or, Here; believe it not.
    Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.
    Mat 24:25 Behold, I have told you beforehand.
    Mat 24:26 If therefore they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the wilderness; go not forth: Behold, he is in the inner chambers; believe it not.
    Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh forth from the east, and is seen even unto the west; so shall be the coming of the Son of man.
    Mat 24:28 Wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
    Mat 24:29 But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
    Mat 24:30 and then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
    Mat 24:31 And he shall send forth his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
    Mat 24:32 Now from the fig tree learn her parable: when her branch is now become tender, and putteth forth its leaves, ye know that the summer is nigh;
    Mat 24:33 even so ye also, when ye see all these things, know ye that he is nigh, even at the doors.
    Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all these things be accomplished.
    Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
    Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no one, not even the angels of heaven, neither the Son, but the Father only.
    Mat 24:37 And as were the days of Noah, so shall be the coming of the Son of man.
    Mat 24:38 For as in those days which were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark,
    Mat 24:39 and they knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall be the coming of the Son of man.
    Mat 24:40 Then shall two men be in the field; one is taken, and one is left:
    Mat 24:41 two women shall be grinding at the mill; one is taken, and one is left.
    Mat 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not on what day your Lord cometh.
    Mat 24:43 But know this, that if the master of the house had known in what watch the thief was coming, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken through.
    Mat 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready; for in an hour that ye think not the Son of man cometh.
    Mat 24:45 Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath set over his household, to give them their food in due season?
    Mat 24:46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
    Mat 24:47 Verily I say unto you, that he will set him over all that he hath.
    Mat 24:48 But if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord tarrieth;
    Mat 24:49 and shall begin to beat his fellow-servants, and shall eat and drink with the drunken;
    Mat 24:50 the lord of that servant shall come in a day when he expecteth not, and in an hour when he knoweth not,
    Mat 24:51 and shall cut him asunder, and appoint his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be the weeping and the gnashing of teeth.

    September 8, 2011 at 10:39 pm |
  7. peace upon be with you

    Mat 24:1 And Jesus went out from the temple, and was going on his way; and his disciples came to him to show him the buildings of the temple.
    Mat 24:2 But he answered and said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
    Mat 24:3 And as he sat on the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
    Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man lead you astray.
    Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am the Christ; and shall lead many astray.
    Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumors of wars; see that ye be not troubled: for these things must needs come to pass; but the end is not yet.
    Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; and there shall be famines and earthquakes in divers places.
    Mat 24:8 But all these things are the beginning of travail.
    Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up unto tribulation, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all the nations for my name's sake.
    Mat 24:10 And then shall many stumble, and shall deliver up one another, and shall hate one another.
    Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall arise, and shall lead many astray.
    Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall be multiplied, the love of the many shall wax cold.
    Mat 24:13 But he that endureth to the end, the same shall be saved.
    Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world for a testimony unto all the nations; and then shall the end come.
    Mat 24:15 When therefore ye see the abomination of desolation, which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let him that readeth understand),
    Mat 24:16 then let them that are in Judaea flee unto the mountains:
    Mat 24:17 let him that is on the housetop not go down to take out things that are in his house:
    Mat 24:18 and let him that is in the field not return back to take his cloak.
    Mat 24:19 But woe unto them that are with child and to them that give suck in those days!
    Mat 24:20 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on a sabbath:
    Mat 24:21 for then shall be great tribulation, such as hath not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, nor ever shall be.
    Mat 24:22 And except those days had been shortened, no flesh would have been saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
    Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is the Christ, or, Here; believe it not.
    Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.
    Mat 24:25 Behold, I have told you beforehand.
    Mat 24:26 If therefore they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the wilderness; go not forth: Behold, he is in the inner chambers; believe it not.
    Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh forth from the east, and is seen even unto the west; so shall be the coming of the Son of man.
    Mat 24:28 Wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
    Mat 24:29 But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
    Mat 24:30 and then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
    Mat 24:31 And he shall send forth his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
    Mat 24:32 Now from the fig tree learn her parable: when her branch is now become tender, and putteth forth its leaves, ye know that the summer is nigh;
    Mat 24:33 even so ye also, when ye see all these things, know ye that he is nigh, even at the doors.
    Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all these things be accomplished.
    Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
    Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no one, not even the angels of heaven, neither the Son, but the Father only.
    Mat 24:37 And as were the days of Noah, so shall be the coming of the Son of man.
    Mat 24:38 For as in those days which were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark,
    Mat 24:39 and they knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall be the coming of the Son of man.
    Mat 24:40 Then shall two men be in the field; one is taken, and one is left:
    Mat 24:41 two women shall be grinding at the mill; one is taken, and one is left.
    Mat 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not on what day your Lord cometh.
    Mat 24:43 But know this, that if the master of the house had known in what watch the thief was coming, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken through.
    Mat 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready; for in an hour that ye think not the Son of man cometh.
    Mat 24:45 Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath set over his household, to give them their food in due season?
    Mat 24:46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
    Mat 24:47 Verily I say unto you, that he will set him over all that he hath.
    Mat 24:48 But if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord tarrieth;
    Mat 24:49 and shall begin to beat his fellow-servants, and shall eat and drink with the drunken;
    Mat 24:50 the lord of that servant shall come in a day when he expecteth not, and in an hour when he knoweth not,
    Mat 24:51 and shall cut him asunder, and appoint his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be the weeping and the gnashing of teeth.

    September 8, 2011 at 10:32 pm |
    • Reality

      Actually, Jesus was a bit "touched". After all he thought he spoke to Satan, thought he changed water into wine, thought he raised Lazarus from the dead etc. In today's world, said Jesus would be declared legally insane.

      Or did P, M, M, L and J simply make him into a first century magic-man via their epistles and gospels of semi-fiction? Most contemporary NT experts after thorough analyses of all the scriptures go with the latter magic-man conclusion with J's gospels being mostly fiction.

      Obviously, today's followers of Paul et al's "magic-man" are also a bit on the odd side believing in all the Christian mumbo jumbo about bodies resurrecting, and exorcisms, and miracles, and "magic-man atonement, and infallible, old, European, white men, and 24/7 body/blood sacrifices followed by consumption of said sacrifices. Yummy!!!!

      So why do we really care what a first century CE, illiterate, long-dead, preacher-magic man would do or say?

      September 9, 2011 at 12:50 am |
    • MomOf3

      If i wanted to read the bible again, I'd buy one...please stop posting it here! It's difficult to read the continuity of the comments when you have to flip the dang page so many times!

      September 12, 2011 at 12:59 pm |
  8. SpiderCNN

    Initiate investigation of 911. Stop this religion smoke screen! Let;s stop Betrayal of our own country by passively ignoring the legitimate unanswered questions that exist surrounding 911.

    September 8, 2011 at 6:24 pm |
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