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September 13th, 2011
07:22 AM ET

Sex abuse victims ask International Criminal Court to prosecute pope

By Richard Allen Greene, CNN

(CNN) - Victims of abuse by Catholic priests asked the International Criminal Court to charge Pope Benedict XVI and other top Vatican officials with crimes against humanity, a victims' group announced Tuesday.

The pope and other church leaders "tolerate and enable the systematic and widespread concealing of rape and child sex crimes throughout the world," the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests and the Center for Constitutional Rights said in a joint statement.

They filed more than 20,000 pages of documents with the international court in the Netherlands to support their charges, they said.

Vatican spokesman Father Federico Lombardi told CNN he was aware of the filing but had no comment.

The International Criminal Court did not immediately respond to a CNN question about whether it believed it had jurisdiction to prosecute the pope.

But Barbara Dorris, the president of SNAP, said it was the natural venue for the case.

"We are convinced this is the proper jurisdiction," she told CNN. "Who else can investigate violent crimes of a global magnitude? The ICC was created to deal with widespread systematic violent crimes against humanity."

The executive director of the International Bar Association, on the other hand, said it was unlikely the international court would find there was evidence of crimes against humanity.

"This requires a government policy, a plan, a widespread and systematic attack against a civilian population," Mark Ellis said.

"Not to suggest that victims were not harmed, but to meet the level of crimes against humanity you really have to show that there is a policy or a plan to initiate this," he said.

People can be held responsible for crimes if they knew - or should have known - they were occurring, Ellis said.

But the blind eye victims accuse the Catholic Church of turning to abuse of children by priests does not rise to the level of crimes against humanity, he suggested.

"They are crimes and they are serious, but within the jurisdiction of the ICC you have to be very specific. I don't see that you would be able to tick the boxes necessary" to bring a prosecution, he predicted.

That the defendant is the pope - along with three senior cardinals - also raises "jurisdictional hurdles," he said.

But simply filing the request will force the prosecutor to look at the case, Ellis said.

It "might be beneficial to the plaintiffs to force the court to respond," he said, saying the filing was more than just a publicity stunt.

"It raises the profile of these issues," he said.

In addition to the pope, SNAP and the CCF want prosecutions of Cardinal William Levada, the head of the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith; Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, the Vatican Secretary of State; and Cardinal Angelo Sodano, the Dean of the College of Cardinals.

- Newsdesk editor, The CNN Wire

Filed under: Catholic Church • Pope Benedict XVI • Sex abuse • Vatican

soundoff (1,157 Responses)
  1. prophet

    definition of an atheiest – someone who tries to believe in God but can't and is envious of those who can.

    September 13, 2011 at 9:16 am |
    • hippypoet

      did you get that off wiki? your a moron! get a real book and read it!

      September 13, 2011 at 9:18 am |
    • Aezell

      Definition of an atheist – someone who can probably spell atheist correctly.

      September 13, 2011 at 9:20 am |
    • brin3m

      really? envious? well aren't you a tad bit egotistical?

      September 13, 2011 at 9:21 am |
    • Colin

      There is a fundamental dissonance in that statement. For an atheist to "wish they believed in god", they would have to think it exists, which means they are not atheists.

      September 13, 2011 at 9:23 am |
    • Michael

      Definition of a fraud: Someone who shouts out from their soap box about the evils of others but are clueless to what the Message is suppose to be about.

      The Pope knowingly covered up the abuse and he should be prosecuted. But you gotta love the Pope since if you're a grown man and you love another man you're going to hell but if you're a grown man and you love little boys well then let's have a party and give you all the boys you can handle.

      September 13, 2011 at 9:24 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      definition of schizophrenia – a severe mental disorder characterized by the following features: emotional blunting, intellectual deterioration, social isolation, disorganized speech and behavior, delusions, and hallucinations.

      sounds like religion to me

      September 13, 2011 at 9:33 am |
    • Awkward Situations

      Schizophrenics are more in touch with reality than the ultra-religious.

      September 13, 2011 at 9:36 am |
    • John Richardson

      Not a DEFINITION, but many atheists and other non-believers are people who USED to believe in your god and, yes, "can't" anymore for a variety of logical, philosophical, scientific and ethical reasons. I myself consider the possibility the the Christian god exists too small to take seriously, but am even more certain that he is unworthy of worship if he does exist with the traits most commonly ascribed to him.

      September 13, 2011 at 9:48 am |
    • pat carr

      Definition of a moron: a person who can't even spell the thing he/she is attempting to attack

      September 13, 2011 at 9:50 am |
    • Guest

      Who doesnt wish for an implausible fuzzy feeling that absolves them of all moral responsibility?

      However,lying to people and coercing them into following you or else is just wrong

      I would never say I would be opposed to the Idea of greater existence,I just dont believe the bullcrap you or anyone else is trying to peddle

      Just like Ive told my folks,'because I said so' is NOT an effective argument

      September 13, 2011 at 10:13 am |
    • David, CA

      Definition of a "christian"- someone who announces piously and pompously to the world that they'll pray for you while stabbing you in the back while loathing you hating you deep in their heart.

      September 13, 2011 at 11:45 am |
    • Jesus

      A fundie that can't spell (or think)! It's ATHEIST not atheiest. Nonbelievers in God or Gods do not try to believe. They apply logic, reasoning, and evaluate the evidence. There is no invisible all controlling all powerful being in the sky. That is a 1st century Bronze Age belief that ATHEISTS do not follow. Religion hucksters call it, "faith" because such beliefs do not stand the test of 21st century reasoning.

      September 13, 2011 at 12:01 pm |
    • You're Completely Wrong

      Prophet, it seems as though you were raised with to much self esteem. Do you honestly believe someone would be envious of you because you believe something they don't? The fact that children believe in Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy doesn't mean those fairy tails exist, and I don't envy them for their beliefs. In fact, I pity those who are so simple minded that, as adults, they still believe in something despite extraordinary evidence to the contrary for no reason other than the fact that they can't understand the facts.

      September 13, 2011 at 12:06 pm |
    • Josh

      In my eyes, all those Priest, Bishops, and Cardinals in the Catholic Church who knew these children were being molested, but choose to look away rather than come to the aid of these children, ARE JUST AS GUILTY. The sins of the perpetrators are also on the hands of those who failed to act, and act swiftly.

      That certainly includes Ratzinger (aka Pope Benedict XVI).

      September 14, 2011 at 1:21 pm |
  2. anon

    If it was uncovered that a major fast-food chain had dozens of managers who had been molesting kids in the play areas, and that the CEO of the corporation had bribed families and officials to cover up the crime, we would probably arrest them too. Makes sense.

    September 13, 2011 at 9:14 am |
    • Jesus

      When I first saw the headline on CNN about the Pope being blamed, I didn't know if it related to his participation in sendiun Jews to the ovens when he was a loyal and devoted Hitler Youth or for covering up child molestations. The man has quite the resume.

      September 13, 2011 at 12:05 pm |
  3. prophet

    what you will find is that most abusers are intellect motivated and this is the problem as they are unable to have any control over their thinking.

    The atheists on here who deny that there is a God deny themselves and this is their own non-existence. God wants to save even the athiests and one day they will repent and how can anyone really beleive athiests are right when all they do on here is be abuseive themselves with what they say, and by saying what they say they show how unfortunate most of them really are.

    September 13, 2011 at 9:07 am |
    • hippypoet

      tell me oh true believer, what was jesus's real name? what were his followers really called? did you know that back in "jesus" time if the wife was to be prego without the husband doing the deed she was stoned to death... not the good stoning either... do you know that peter himself never spoke about the "holy spirit doing mary" and did you know that if "jesus" had been born in december like the story says he would have most likely died due to lack of food to help the wife mary produce milk... but these are all facts, you believers CHOOSE not to see them as needed to faith...my question, why?

      September 13, 2011 at 9:13 am |
    • Awkward Situations

      The believers on here who deny that there is a reality deny themselves and this is their own non-existence. Reality wants to save even the believers and one day they will feel stupid and how can anyone really believe believers are right when all they do on here is be nonsensical themselves with what they say, and by saying what they say they show how retarded most of them really are.

      September 13, 2011 at 9:14 am |
    • Jt

      And Allah wants to save you. Still feeling sanctimonious?

      September 13, 2011 at 9:17 am |
    • William Demuth

      prophet

      Your selected name says it all.

      You believe you have insight into the divine?

      How laugable. Perhaps you are the new Moses? Or new Jesus? Or Muhammed?

      It seems apparent that you want to claim insight for your own gain.

      Perhaps you want a flock of sheep of your own, to exploit in the name of your imaginary sky freind?

      Prophet indeed, but spelled PROFIT.

      September 13, 2011 at 9:19 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      @Prophet: you're not that intelligent are you? the only thing we deny is the stories in the book you seem to think is golden and so powerful...you know Grimms Fairy Tales (the original version) is less horrific than your bible. Have you even attempted to read a book on science or is that too far above your reading comprehension? The answers are simple enough to find if you want to find them but you take the easy way out and instead of admitting to not knowing, you place a fictional character in place. We are at least honest with ourselves and others...when we don't know we simply say so!

      September 13, 2011 at 9:20 am |
    • brin3m

      "their own non-existence"........still playning God, huh?

      September 13, 2011 at 9:23 am |
    • oskirrii

      Prophet, just shut it. Your grammar shows you may not have passed the 4th grade, so I doubt anyone here will take you seriously. Go spew your religious intolerance somewhere else.

      September 13, 2011 at 9:23 am |
    • Ba Dum Pah

      @Hippypoet

      Jesus name would have been pronounced Yeshua. There is no such thing as a "good stoning," but the gospels do address the peril in Mary's situation of being an unwed mother in her society. Believers see her survival is another miracle that brought about the birth of Jesus Christ, whose example of wisdom, patience and love should not be overlooked even if you don't believe in God.

      And it's common knowledge that historians believe Jesus was born in April. The church recognizes his birthday in December because it wanted to detract from the solstice festival of other religions.

      but these are all facts, you believers CHOOSE not to see them as needed to faith...my question, why?

      September 13, 2011 at 9:40 am |
    • John Richardson

      Oh yes, the all powerful god really, really wants to save you, but just can't quite pull it off unless you assume the position, eh?

      September 13, 2011 at 9:51 am |
    • pat carr

      You're so silly, "prophet". Yeah we atheists are SO afraid of some myth and an invisible man that you SAY exists. Can't produce any other evidence except for "faith" and think we are the empty ones.

      September 13, 2011 at 9:52 am |
    • John W

      If there is a higher force, creator, or what you call god then what you say should be true. It should accept any person who treats all others with kindness and love. This is something I believe humans should do w/o an arbitrary man made set of rules (the bible/koran/torah are written by man and to debate this is insane-you can see the creation of these religions throughout history and even see the stories they picked and chose from other existing religions-Jesus' story is much older than him). Therefore picking a religion is arbitrary and irrelevant. In fact it just seems to lead people to sin against their fellow men who chose another man made religion that takes their money so priests/rabbis/clerics can live in palaces. The wealth of the Catholic church is unfathomable. Why? What does an all powerful being need sweet land and cash. This is so dumb I can't even believe I am wasting my time right now. I honestly feel that if you can't see that organized religion is a scam then you are insane. I have no problem with faith or spirituality, and if that leads to better treatment of those around you then that is awesome. Just don't try to tell me I am on the outs for the afterlife, b/c I don't bow down to men with silly hats and way too much bling. I know if there is an afterlife than I am in, b/c I am a damn good person. I do more for others than myself. I have sacrificed a lucrative career for an altruistic one.

      If you need religion to not hurt other people then you are flawed. Good people don't need to be told how to be good. Only bad ones. If you need religion to not pleasure yourself then you are just plain missing out.

      September 13, 2011 at 10:14 am |
    • tallulah13

      I'm not sure if you are aware of this, but this is an article about legally prosecuting the pope for protecting child abusers. There is nothing here about atheism, so your attempts at distracting people from the crimes of this religion are pathetic and weak.

      September 13, 2011 at 11:07 am |
    • You're Completely Wrong

      prophet, I realize you're a child so I'll be gentle here. You're inability to see or comprehend facts does not make the fantasy world you live in any more real. God is something invented by humans when they didn't have the science to understand the facts. People believe god created the world for the same reason people believe the sun rises in the morning because it's hot, then sets in the evening because it cools down. These are simple answers from simple minded people.

      I hope when you grow up, you'll begin to understand that the world is not the fantasy you currently believe in.

      September 13, 2011 at 12:20 pm |
    • Anton LaVey

      prophet

      what you will find is that most abusers are intellect motivated and this is the problem as they are unable to have any control over their thinking.

      The atheists on here who deny that there is a God deny themselves and this is their own non-existence. God wants to save even the athiests and one day they will repent and how can anyone really beleive athiests are right when all they do on here is be abuseive themselves with what they say, and by saying what they say they show how unfortunate most of them really are.

      ----
      I am guessing you were home schooled or had very little schooling.

      September 13, 2011 at 12:51 pm |
  4. prophet

    whats so interesting here is that a lot of atheiests eventually believe in God and they make the best beleivers, they are just too embarrassed to say that they believe in God.

    September 13, 2011 at 8:58 am |
    • Awkward Situations

      We don't like to get off to images of jesus and mary getting banged by the holy ghost. That's a part of your religion isn't it? Nasty zombie worshipers.

      September 13, 2011 at 9:03 am |
    • William Demuth

      Fascinating. Bu@@@it, but fascinating.

      Due to my advocacy work I personally know several hundred (possibly over a thousand) former believers who are now Athiests.

      I have NEVER met a person who went the other way.

      Perhaps in redneck land, people may be dragged in due to social pressures, but in normal areas I have NEVER met one.

      September 13, 2011 at 9:04 am |
    • AtheistSteve

      I guarantee that you're wrong. Anybody who claims they were once an atheist and then "found" faith was never an atheist for valid skeptical reasons in the first place. But the reverse is definitely true because once your eyes have been opened to reason and skepticism the genie cannot be put back in the bottle.

      September 13, 2011 at 9:08 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      surprise surprise...a Theist bringing Atheists in to this.

      As previously stated by AtheistSteve and William, you are wrong.

      September 13, 2011 at 9:14 am |
    • brin3m

      wow! you must be god to know that a lot of atheists eventually believe in god and then are the best believers......how sad for all the other believers out there......

      September 13, 2011 at 9:27 am |
    • pat carr

      like william said, we go the other way. I left your stupid cult 11 years ago. By the way you still can't even spell atheist correctly.

      September 13, 2011 at 9:54 am |
    • John W

      Who cares? Just be a good person and you will be covered. The existence of god is irrelevant. The existence of man made religion is a fact, and what if you picked the wrong one? You are forked my friend. God is gonna be sooooo jealous. Just kidding. An all powerful being would never care about such trivial things like which religion you picked. That comes down to your parents mostly. What if they are wrong? Oh no! So dumb this topic is. I am sure you have nothing to worry about. I am sure you are kind and loving to all you know and cross paths with. We will all try to do the same. Stop pushing your religion on us please. Priests have enough fancy cares and homes w/o my $$ and children's bums.

      September 13, 2011 at 10:22 am |
    • Jesus

      Sorry to disabuse you of your rampant stupidity, but atheists don't convert...even on their death bed. I am one, have been seconds away from death, and never for a nanosecond tossed out logic, reasonin, and intelligence to embrace mythical idiocy.

      September 13, 2011 at 12:08 pm |
  5. TruthPrevails

    WOOHOO!!

    September 13, 2011 at 8:53 am |
  6. prophet

    Shameful people and these catholic clergy, not all but most, are an embarrassment to God as they misrepresent Him. They are the abomination that causes desolation as written about in The Bible.

    September 13, 2011 at 8:51 am |
    • Awkward Situations

      @prophet: Oh right... your poor misrepresented god. haha. You're an abomination to your own intellect.

      September 13, 2011 at 8:54 am |
    • William Demuth

      So I guess you think the protestants don't do the same thing?

      Or the Rabbi's or the Imams or the Vickars, or whatever name you have for the old men in your religion who lie to little boys about an imaginary God who is going to burn their mother in hell if they tell anyone they were buggered?

      September 13, 2011 at 8:54 am |
    • HADiT

      Do yourself a favor and attempt to do some critical thinking. You may very well find out that Santa God is nothing more than a figment of your imagination. Of course you will also probably fear that to do so will upset the apple cart. Don't burst the balloon!

      September 13, 2011 at 11:49 am |
    • Commenter

      prophet,

      How about if you let "God" represent itself? If it can....

      September 13, 2011 at 11:52 am |
  7. Awkward Situations

    Hey you catholics. When will you finally give up your clergy hard on for little boy's behinds? You worship pedophile molesters and get on your knees for them literally and figuratively. You're a bunch of complicit enablers of people who have been committing crimes against humanity for centuries. Stop making excuses for your god on earth.. he's a god dam_n impotent fool making all of you look like retards. You deserve every bit of mockery that you get, morons.

    September 13, 2011 at 8:45 am |
    • Baez

      Awkward insulting itself in public by calling itself the lowliest of names.That post sums you up pretty well.Need say no more

      your moniker is in itself a pathetic reflection of yourself.

      September 13, 2011 at 9:12 am |
    • Awkward Situations

      Awww.. you little wee feelings hurt? Go cry to your clergy. He'll stroke it all better.

      September 13, 2011 at 9:19 am |
    • Richmond

      Absurd isn't it when the fact is pointed out, look at your own posts, are you unable to complete any post without you peeing all over or your wee or anything that is not derogatory.

      You are an abomination unto yourself.

      September 13, 2011 at 9:25 am |
    • Baez

      Listen to awkward talking about its wee

      Go ahead awkward, what can get more awkward than that????

      September 13, 2011 at 9:29 am |
    • Gort01

      no rest for the catholic church attorneys til the coffers of this abomination are dry....bleed them to the last drop....

      September 13, 2011 at 9:35 am |
    • Anna Nwa

      Awkward, what you spew suggests whom you are! Get life now, and don't wait till the end.

      September 13, 2011 at 9:47 am |
    • Awkward Situations

      @Anna Nwa: Even if your supposed god existed. I'd rather choose to go to hell. If your god does exist he is unworthy, incompetent, lazy, and sleeping on the job. I care more about my fellow primates and animals than he does. So don't worry.. I won't be in heaven singing praises with you bug eyed lolly worshipers. I'll be partying in hell with my lovely sinners who refuse to bow down to a fascist dictator. Good day.

      September 13, 2011 at 9:56 am |
  8. coder

    its about time the church be held responsible for something – thru out time, that church has held itself as above human over a god they created to control other humans – between lying in scripture or working with kings to provide income – molesting children is just a tiny bit of the crimes against humanity they've committed.

    They only difference between the catholic church and the taliban is about 2000 years

    September 13, 2011 at 8:42 am |
  9. AtheistSteve

    It's about time. The Pope was complicit in covering up the actions of those charged with violating kids.

    September 13, 2011 at 8:40 am |
  10. Reeko

    I am not even a catholic but we cannot put the blame on Peter with Judas's sins...

    September 13, 2011 at 8:29 am |
    • William Demuth

      Perhaps you are unaware.

      This "gentleman" aided and assisted men who buggered thousands of little boys.

      He hid them, transferred them, covered for them and harbored them from local justice.

      His organization has paid fines and civil penalties in excess of BILLIONS, yet they still refuse to surrender the deviants to the law.

      Either they accept secular law or they must be destroyed.

      No God, real or imaginary, gives any man licensee to harm a child, and ANYONE who believes it does needs to be eliminated.
      .

      September 13, 2011 at 8:36 am |
    • Awkward Situations

      What in the god dam_n fu_cking hell are you talking about? Care to explain in non-fairytale language.

      September 13, 2011 at 8:37 am |
    • Awkward Situations

      @Reeko: What in the god dam_n fu_cking hell are you talking about? Care to explain in non-fairytale language.

      September 13, 2011 at 8:40 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      Anyone who supports a pedophile by standing by them or helping cover-up the situation is just as guilty as the pedophile. The Pope is very deserving of criminal punishment and I sincerely hope he gets what is coming to him. It is about damn time this church was forced to face the reality that they are not invincible.
      I'm sure Christopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins would be thrilled with the news that this is taking place.

      September 13, 2011 at 9:26 am |
    • Anna Nwa

      You don't have to be a catholic to say what is just and fair. Yes, you are right. Peter should not bear the sin of Judas. Each one of us is answerable to the Almighty God, and I believe the law should also look at it from this standpoint.

      September 13, 2011 at 9:37 am |
    • gerald

      William, you are dilusional. The Church has no power to keep someone from being prosecuted. They don't have the right not to turn them over if the evidence is sufficient to arrest them. The Pope did not move anyone around he knew was a ped. ALL priests are routinely moved around and so yes some were moved.

      September 13, 2011 at 11:44 am |
  11. Awkward Situations

    Religion is a crime against humanity! I'm absolutely thrilled these victims are going to give the charlatan pope a good rogering!

    He is a walking talking pooping human being just like the rest of us. He does not have any special magical powers that exclude him from LAW and ORDER! Take him down! Throw him into a federal pound-me-in-the-a_ss prison! No mercy for the person responsible for millions of deaths all over the world!

    September 13, 2011 at 8:28 am |
    • hippypoet

      federal pound-me-in-the-a_ss prison! love that movie!!! do you have my stapler?

      September 13, 2011 at 8:30 am |
    • Awkward Situations

      @hippypoet: Don't set the building on fire. 🙂

      September 13, 2011 at 8:36 am |
    • Anna Nwa

      You are a free thinker. Right? Wait till you get to the end of the tunnel.

      September 13, 2011 at 9:26 am |
    • Awkward Situations

      What? Tunnel? Are you okay? Not making any sense here.

      September 13, 2011 at 9:47 am |
  12. AbusedChild

    The only reason the Pope is being lenient is that he himself abused children. Clear as diamond.

    September 13, 2011 at 8:26 am |
  13. William Demuth

    These people need to be indicted and the cult needs to be held accountable

    September 13, 2011 at 8:19 am |
    • hippypoet

      i say we burn them like the witches... we could tell them after they have fried a bit to climb the steps of some church kissing every step as they go up and once at the top give us all our money back, then we give them a pardon, but only for there souls!!!!!

      feeling a tad medevil today! 🙂 any one for the rack! do i hear a confession??? no, MORE!!!

      September 13, 2011 at 8:24 am |
    • William Demuth

      Whatever best protects future innocence.

      Frankly, I believe the best medicine against them is taxation.

      Return the wealth to those it was stolen from.

      September 13, 2011 at 8:31 am |
    • Lulu

      I like the way you think, William Demuth.

      September 13, 2011 at 1:45 pm |
  14. hippypoet

    ITS ABOUT DAMN TIME.... i wrote about how it falls to the head of the church when one wee little priest does something wrong, as well as the wrong-doer.... thank you whoever yo truly are who will bring the evil kid touch'n church down.!!!!!!!

    September 13, 2011 at 8:16 am |
  15. Maine Independent

    The Catholic Church has gotten away with these crimes, and possibly more, because it is so powerful. The Pope can excommunicate anyone (who is a Catholic, they tried to deny Senator Kerry mass) who gets too close to bringing down their sick club. The churches should also be paying taxes on their property, as they use the services of a community, the roads, the police and fire departments (although they are probably more and more afraid of the police dept). The thing I cannot understand is why Catholics allow themselves to be abused by these white (mostly) men of power and privilege. They should realize that all the church wants to be is the middleman between them and their God, with the collection plate first and foremost to be filled. Law enforcement has failed to bring these child abusing creatins to justice, but is pretty good at arresting PETA people for nothing.

    September 13, 2011 at 8:10 am |
  16. silvery1261

    No one is above civil law. The problem is that many religion believe their godly laws are above anything else, for example canon law for the Catholic Church or Sharia Law for some Islamic countries. It is time to make a stand that civil law prevails for everyone

    September 13, 2011 at 8:05 am |
  17. tiger

    Bull SH!t. Pope has never used his Pen!# for the se-xual thing. He uses it only to pee.

    September 13, 2011 at 8:03 am |
  18. silvery1261

    I recommend the book "The Case of the Pope" by Geoffrey Roberston.

    September 13, 2011 at 8:02 am |
  19. Rein

    Must 'rock' being the leader of this solar systems largest club of pedophiles.

    September 13, 2011 at 7:43 am |
  20. Reality

    Only for the new members of this blog:

    Why did today's pope, prelates, preachers and rabbis, so focused on society's se-xual sins, lose sight of clerical se-xual sins?
    "
    FEAR, SHAME and GUILT and COVER IT ALL UP!!!

    Obviously ordination in any religion is not assurance of good behavior !!!!!

    Neither is coronation!!! e.g. Henry VIII, King David.

    Neither is marriage as 50% of those men convicted of pedophilia are married.

    Neither is being elected president of the USA!! e.g. Billy "I did not have se-x with that girl" Clinton, John "Marilyn Monroe" Kennedy"

    Neither is possessing super athletic skill!!! e.g. Tiger "I am so sorry for getting caught" Woods.

    Neither is being an atheist or pagan since pedophilia is present in all walks of life.

    If someone is guilty of a crime in this litany of "neithers" they should or should have been penalized as the law dictates to include jail terms for pedophiliacs (priests, rabbis, evangelicals, boy scout leaders, married men/women), divorce for adultery (Clinton, Kennedy, Woods), jail terms for obstruction of justice (Clinton, Cardinal Law, B16?) and the death penalty or life in prison for murder ("Kings David and Henry VIII).

    September 13, 2011 at 7:35 am |
    • brin3m

      Hear! Hear! Well said!

      September 13, 2011 at 9:31 am |
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