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September 19th, 2011
12:05 PM ET

Squaring Pat Robertson's Alzheimer's remarks with the Bible

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

(CNN)– Televangelist Pat Robertson's comments last week advising a husband to divorce his Alzheimer's-stricken wife drew criticism from Robertson's usual theological allies.

"This is more than an embarrassment," wrote Russell D. Moore, dean of the school of theology and senior vice president for academic administration at the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. "This is more than cruelty. This is a repudiation of the Gospel of Jesus Christ."

Many Christians in the Twitterverse and in other online spaces also expressed disapproval of Robertson's comments, which came in response to a viewer of his "700 Club" TV show asking about a friend who started dating another women after his wife developed Alzheimer's disease.

"He says that he should be allowed to see other people, because his wife as he knows her is gone," the viewer asked. "I’m not sure what to tell him. Please help."

Robertson acknowledged the situation is a "terribly hard thing" but said the viewer's friend is right. "I know it sounds cruel, but if he’s going to do something, he should divorce her and start all over again, but to make sure she has custodial care and somebody (is) looking after her."

When his co-anchor pushed back against that advice, Robertson acknowledged the marriage vow of "Till death do us part" but said that Alzheimer's is "a kind of death."

Criticism from the medical community seems to be less harsh than that from Christians but has nonetheless been forthcoming.

Here's Eric J. Hall, founding president and chief executive officer of the Alzheimer’s Foundation of America:

There is no doubt that this heartbreaking disease robs people of their memories and other intellectual functions, but to liken Alzheimer’s disease to, as Mr. Robertson said, ‘a kind of death’ fosters an insensitivity that feeds misperceptions about the disease. It fails to take into account that people with Alzheimer’s disease, although impaired, deserve optimal care and dignity. Love and compassion are the greatest gifts for every human being until their very last breath.

In a Facebook post Thursday, Robertson's show, "The 700 Club," acknowledged the criticism without taking anything back:

Thank you for sharing your concern about Pat Robertson's response to a BringIt On Question about a friend's wife in the late stages of Alzheimer's.

Having had many close friends struggle through Alzheimer's, Pat has seen the devastating impact that it has on not only the spouse with the disease, but especially the caregiver whose quality of life also becomes completely debilitated by it.

- CNN's Elizabeth Landau contributed to this report.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Bible • Ethics • Leaders

soundoff (225 Responses)
  1. sansdieux

    If this god thingie truly wanted to be understood by all men and women, it would appear before each one of them and do some 'splainin'. But it doesn't. It chooses not to. If it enjoys being misunderstood and fought over, causing its believers to murder each other over it, it is a monster. 'Nuff said. Gods are imaginary. If I am wrong, they are monsters and not worthy of worship.

    September 19, 2011 at 10:00 pm |
  2. sansdieux

    Christians are some of the most hypocritical people on the planet. "Til death do us part," means little to them (as the divorce rate is near fifty percent), even though it's a vow they take before their god. I don't trust them as far as I can throw them.

    September 19, 2011 at 9:41 pm |
  3. Ladervijd

    Not romantic or such, as in standing by the bond between husband and wife by staying by her side in good and bad times, especially if 'dumping and forgetting'.
    Yes, the mentioned wife is (probably) not capable of fulfilling any so-called wife's duties, respectivly any expectations in that regard activly nor passivly, and she is in need of specialized care. Yet, that doesn't mean that she wouldn't feel (not necessarily being able to express or articulate feelings), and it doesn't mean that she wouldn't care if it would be vice versa.

    And, outside home custodial care would be more expensive for the husband than proper home care. Which has to do also with the issue of possibility of poisoning, as in trying to purposely get rid of someone. Obviously though, particular situations are different, so i.e. in a two-person household where the healthy spouse is away all day to earn money which barely covers ongoing costs, it isn't realistic that optimal care is provided, unless there is enough money to provide caregivers (i.e. with disability annuity and/or with health care coverage, for professional ond family/community care, not for concubine). These issues being of course more extensive than mentioned here, and me having barely any personal experience with situations such as the one the article here is about.

    September 19, 2011 at 9:13 pm |
  4. Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

    Anyone who takes anything Pat Robertson has to say without a grain of salt is an idiot. The man is insane and has been from day one. He's no better than a snake-oil salesman. The morons that listen to him deserve what they get-manure, piled higher and deeper.

    A shyster, a cheat, and a liar.

    September 19, 2011 at 9:05 pm |
    • Fred1

      As a member of the National Brotherhood of Snake-Oil salesmen, I am extremely offended by this degrading comparison

      September 21, 2011 at 12:43 pm |
  5. cartman42

    My Atheistic (well, Agnostic really) morals tell me this is VERY wrong.

    September 19, 2011 at 7:23 pm |
    • sansdieux

      Come on, get off the fence, you're an atheist, you don't believe gods exist, admit it! Step into the light of truth and relieve your doubt!

      September 19, 2011 at 9:47 pm |
    • Observer

      Atheists and believers could both be wrong. God might exist and be more like Jesus in the Bible than the often vain, arrogant, mass-killing God in the Bible.

      Agnosticism is more logical than atheism. No one knows if God does or doesn't exist.

      September 19, 2011 at 11:15 pm |
    • Nerdlass

      Actually, a good percentage of atheists are agnostic. If given sufficient evidence of a deity, they would believe it. They admit that they do not know whether or not there is a god, just that there is not enough proof for one to their tastes. One can be agnostic and theist or atheist. So I would say that you are not a strong atheist, but likely an agnostic atheist. Whatever the case, I hope you have a nice day.

      September 19, 2011 at 11:44 pm |
  6. PRISM 1234

    Robertson has said some deeply troubling things before, so troubling that anyone with any discernment could se red flags very clearly about this man. What he said here is just one more proof what he is made out of!...
    But what amazes me the most is that after all that this man has revealed about himself through the years, there are still those who ask him for counsel, and believe in "his ministry" . This just show the condition of so much of American Christianity. And one can't be among them, and not be affected by them...
    Here applies the counsel of God's Word very clearly, where it says "come out from among them, and be separate..."
    But those who are from outside should not confuse their facts, claiming that he, Pat Robertson is the picture of Christianity. He may be the picture of American mainstream, but American Christianity is also very close to the description of one Jesus referred too in Revelation ch. 3, speaking to The church of Laodicea. That in itself says a lot!
    As for this man's latest ungodly remark, this story addresses, he may eat his words, the old weasel, when his chickens come home, and it doesn't look that it will be long till then!

    September 19, 2011 at 6:50 pm |
  7. Robert Hagedorn

    But is Saint Augustine's exegesis of the 2nd and 3rd chapters of Genesis correct? Do a search: First Scandal.

    September 19, 2011 at 6:41 pm |
  8. earlygirl

    There are a lot of people out there who need to READ the bible. Obviously many of you never have.

    September 19, 2011 at 6:39 pm |
    • Just Sayin

      Cuz, like, the bible is such a hard book to find. Maybe not every every single person in America has had it pushed at them yet.

      Atheists know it so much better than Christians too, though, yo.

      Just sayin...

      September 19, 2011 at 9:17 pm |
    • sansdieux

      At least atheists have read the bible. That's probably why some of them are atheists. Just sayin...

      September 19, 2011 at 9:49 pm |
  9. oh please

    when will you get it through your heads....the bible is always used to back up ANYTHING you want to say that is hateful.,

    its a book of hate disguised as a book of love and anyone who believe in a God is a moronic idiot and if you use the INTERNET to preach about belief in god, then youre a BIG IDIOT because thats SCIENCE.....Science TRUMPS GOD any day.

    September 19, 2011 at 6:02 pm |
  10. Andy Wilson

    I'm sure this will anger some but there's truth to what I'm asking. How is it that the people who died on 9/11 are already in heaven but yet Judgement Day hasn't come. To me it seems everybody lifts them up as angels and/or looking down from heaven. Then why go to church? IT's misleading. I know they died a tragic and horrible death, but they can't and aren't there yet.

    September 19, 2011 at 6:00 pm |
    • nostra

      Who says they are in heaven?

      September 19, 2011 at 6:03 pm |
    • ha

      according to the Bible, every dead person is dead and not going anywhere until Judgement Day, but Jesus pretended that he was going up right away. Too bad he is still dead.

      September 19, 2011 at 6:12 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      Neither do they all go to heaven, nor do they just "sleep' till the judgment day.... Those who rightly divide the Word of God understand that.

      September 19, 2011 at 6:56 pm |
  11. Don Herman

    This would be the "in sickness and health" part of the vows . . . the vows I'm not allowed to take because I'm gay. After my partner had a stroke, it never crossed my mind that I would be allowed to "dump" him because life got hard. This whole thing really exposes the Christian mentality. It smells.

    September 19, 2011 at 5:45 pm |
    • tnt

      Dear Mr. Don Herman: Do not see an Christian as Pat Roberson'comment then you conclude that "the Christian mentality". Do not promo gay/lesbian personal issue over the Christian issue. Do you think you better than most of us? Please .... stop it

      September 19, 2011 at 7:26 pm |
  12. Kenrick Benjamin

    Observer you have all the statistics to show that nothing change in a thousand years. For example we are now 7 billion on the planet to date.

    September 19, 2011 at 5:45 pm |
    • Observer

      Is THAT your rebuttal?

      September 19, 2011 at 6:03 pm |
  13. David GA Vet

    It has been obvious for some time that Christ has been removed from Christianity. Of that I have no doubt. What I'd like someone to tell me is why. The more fundamentalist they get the more they revert to the old testament and ignore the teachings of Christ completely. I don't understand.

    Re: Pat Robertson's statement. What happened to "for better or worse and until death do us part"?

    September 19, 2011 at 5:44 pm |
    • The Bobinator

      Didn't Jesus say that the laws of the old testament were not to be changed because of him? And also, do you reject the 10 commandments? That's in the old testament.

      September 19, 2011 at 5:49 pm |
    • fred

      Jesus said the gate is narrow and few find it. It is to be expected few find and stay in their walk with God. As to digging in the old testiment, Jesus fulfilled the law of the prophets he did not trash it. All of us blunder as Robertson did. The key is do we appologise and make right once we see we slipped again.

      September 19, 2011 at 6:05 pm |
    • Scott

      Jesus said to follow the law of the old testament ALL OF IT. He also said the most difficult path is the one that leads to heaven. Pretending that you are no longer bound by the law of the Old Testament is the easy path to hell

      “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven."Matthew 5:17-19

      "Heaven and earth will disappear before the smallest letter of the Law does." Luke 16:17 (CEV)

      What part of “UNTIL HEAVEN AND EARTH DISAPPEAR” don’t you understand? That doesn’t mean just until the resurrection (that is the easy path to hell).
      "You can enter God’s Kingdom only through the narrow gate. The highway to hell is broad, and its gate is wide for the many who choose that way. But the gateway to life is very narrow and the road is difficult, and only a few ever find it." Matthew 7:13-14

      September 19, 2011 at 6:06 pm |
    • Just Sayin

      So, if the OT is on, then you can rush right in and follow the juicy Leviticus recipes for gore. Don't forget to sprinkle the bloody bits on the altar. And keep that sacrificing knife sharp. You'll be needing it a lot.

      Just sayin...

      September 19, 2011 at 6:13 pm |
    • ha

      In other words, we need to start stoning people to death. Good to know! There's plenty of rocks around here...

      September 19, 2011 at 6:14 pm |
    • fred

      Justsayin
      The OT sacrafician stuff you refer to was fulfilled with Christ the pas-sover lamb so man no longer is concerned with that.

      September 19, 2011 at 6:38 pm |
    • Just Sayin

      fredso, thanks for admitting that it's in there. Good on ya. Pretty explicit stuff, instructions straight from the big dude, the good book of slaughter says.

      OK, so god said it was good then, not now. Got it. Guess he got tired of his favorite stench of burning scapegoat.

      Now what did that "forever" part mean again?

      Just sayin...

      September 19, 2011 at 7:19 pm |
    • fred

      justsayin
      How can you be mr 100% evolution yet when it comes to the development of man you want to stick him in a 5,000 year old box. Be conistant. Mans social and cultural system evolved as did his mind. Those ancients could bearly understand throwing a virgin in the volcano and that is how God talked with them. By 2,000 years age we could now move into the spiritual side within man rather than outside of man. If you wish to kill a bear with a club be my guest but we now have something called a rifle.

      September 19, 2011 at 8:07 pm |
    • Just Sayin

      Word of god changing to suit the times. Oh, wait a minute. What was that perfect infallible god stuff about?

      Just sayin...

      September 19, 2011 at 9:47 pm |
    • Just Sayin

      Yeah, fred, be conistant.. You wouldn't want to be making sense.

      conistant. bearly.

      You were just sayin...

      September 20, 2011 at 10:56 am |
  14. The Bobinator

    When a part of the brain becomes damaged, from a car accident or from a horrible condition like Alzheimer's, the person's personality and abilities change. One might become more prone to anger, may not be able to name tools or may not be able to smell or taste.

    Why is it then that we think when the entire brain is damaged by death, that a copy of the personality of the person somehow lives on?

    September 19, 2011 at 5:19 pm |
    • fred

      Jesus said to store up your treasures in Heaven where you do not need to worry about loosing it. All that you do for God / in accordance with HIs will is stored up were it is never lost. This stuff is not stored in your brain as the brain turns to dust. What is stored are those things of God and those things of man. That "soul" essesence is out there as it was when you imagined it. Death of the brain does not change its location.

      September 19, 2011 at 5:27 pm |
    • Just Sayin

      Yet god seems to put his words on paper that fades and degrades, and he can't even use the internet. Probably doesn't know much about good backup procedures either.

      Just sayin...

      September 19, 2011 at 5:32 pm |
    • fred

      Just Sayin
      Nope, Jesus put the word and Holy Spirit in your heart so no man can take it away. Before writting the word went mouth to mouth so to speak. If we do not tell others about the Gospel Jesus says "the rocks will cry out"

      September 19, 2011 at 5:44 pm |
    • The Bobinator

      > Jesus said to store up your treasures in Heaven where you do not need to worry about loosing it. All that you do for God / in accordance with HIs will is stored up were it is never lost. This stuff is not stored in your brain as the brain turns to dust.

      But your actions in accordance to God's will isn't your personality. What you find funny, what your favourite colour is, what you like to eat, what you're attracted to isn't measured by what you did for God.

      > What is stored are those things of God and those things of man. That "soul" essesence is out there as it was when you imagined it. Death of the brain does not change its location.

      If I cut out the part of your brain that controls your emotions of love, you will not know how to love again. Why is it that the soul is subserviant to the brain? Or to put it another way, why is something that isn't your personality able to affect something that is your personality?

      September 19, 2011 at 5:46 pm |
    • The Bobinator

      > Nope, Jesus put the word and Holy Spirit in your heart so no man can take it away.

      Actually God did that. Might want to not confuse the two.

      > Before writting the word went mouth to mouth so to speak.

      Just like broken telephone you mean. Jesus said to the israelites, "Go forth and be happy with my lessons. Purple monkey dishwasher."

      > If we do not tell others about the Gospel Jesus says "the rocks will cry out"

      No they won't. I'm thinking you're a troll.

      September 19, 2011 at 5:48 pm |
    • Just Sayin

      Uh, fred, in my profession, there are insti-tutes we check you into if you're getting into intimate conversations with rocks like that.

      Just sayin...

      September 19, 2011 at 5:49 pm |
    • nostra

      "Jesus said to store up your treasures in Heaven where you do not need to worry about loosing it."
      Unless of course, you fail to believe in the wrong flavor of Christianity or, heaven forbid, a non-Christian religion, then you're out of luck and get to burn in hell for eternity. Neat how that works, huh?

      September 19, 2011 at 5:50 pm |
    • nostra

      wrong -> right

      September 19, 2011 at 5:51 pm |
    • David GA Vet

      I think you have some reading to do. Christ repudiated much of the old testemant by both word and deed. While you are at it count the commandments. Admittedly,10 were on the tablets but there are about 120 commandments totally ignored by the the people who proclaim the bible to be the literal word of GOD. Where does it say you get to pick the words you like and ignore the rest?

      September 19, 2011 at 6:06 pm |
    • fred

      nostra
      The thing about God is that he is big enough to figure out who you are. The sect you belong to is never a deal breaker. The things of God are things of God and things of man are just that. Even some atheists on this site accidently or under Gods direction do His bidding. What is stored in heaven is a function of the character and attributes of God not your denomination.

      September 19, 2011 at 6:14 pm |
    • fred

      Bobinator,
      Cut out the love part of the brain and your personality is affected. God knows this before it happens which is why you are not held accountable for what you cannot do. This does not change anything as only the things of God get into Gods space. You could be perfect Christian on the outside but every time you do something good you grumble because you would rather be fishing. What part of that personality is of God and will last in Gods space.

      "Go forth and be happy with my lessons. Purple monkey dishwasher” Ah, that is why the Holy Spirit today helps with translation. It is not that complicated. If there is a God then of course what God wants God gets. That is why it is a blessing and a privilege to know God.

      September 19, 2011 at 6:31 pm |
    • The Bobinator

      > I think you have some reading to do.

      Oh really? I read this...

      Matt 5:18-19: I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

      > Christ repudiated much of the old testemant by both word and deed.

      Actually, if you read the above, he said that the 613 laws of Moses were to be obeyed. Of course, you'd have to know something about the bible to realize this. I have a question though, if Jesus is so kind and merciful, why would he condone slavery and the concept that you can own another human being...

      Eph 6:5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.

      > While you are at it count the commandments.

      There are 613 in the book of law.

      > Admittedly,10 were on the tablets but there are about 120 commandments totally ignored by the the people who proclaim the bible to be the literal word of GOD.

      Christians ignore more then 120 of the 613. I think it'd be closer to the high 500's. The reason being is that they'd show how stupid and silly these laws were and cast doubt on claim that these are divinely inspired.

      > Where does it say you get to pick the words you like and ignore the rest?

      I didn't pick and choose. You just seem not to know your bible very well. Perhaps you should read it. All the way through. Fastest way to become an atheist in my opinion.

      September 20, 2011 at 2:09 pm |
    • The Bobinator

      > Cut out the love part of the brain and your personality is affected. God knows this before it happens which is why you are not held accountable for what you cannot do.

      My brain does not allow me to hold faith in a concept without evidence. Therefore God cannot judge me for not believing in him.

      > This does not change anything as only the things of God get into Gods space. You could be perfect Christian on the outside but every time you do something good you grumble because you would rather be fishing. What part of that personality is of God and will last in Gods space.

      What nonsense is this?

      > "Go forth and be happy with my lessons. Purple monkey dishwasher” Ah, that is why the Holy Spirit today helps with translation. It is not that complicated.

      Just because an idea has all the loose ends tied up or excuses for certain things doesn't make it so. At the end of the day, you're believing in something because you're told it's true.

      > If there is a God then of course what God wants God gets. That is why it is a blessing and a privilege to know God.

      Unless your image of God is a delusion you have sold yourself on. Then it's a liability. By what method do you use to determine if your conclusions are correct.

      September 20, 2011 at 5:29 pm |
  15. Observer

    Nothing new. Everyone justs picks what they like from the Bible and ignor the rest. In Robertson's case, he is ignoring much more than most Christians ignor.

    September 19, 2011 at 4:58 pm |
  16. Scott

    When Christians show their true face, it’s not a pretty sight.

    September 19, 2011 at 4:57 pm |
    • ha

      Yes, they resemble Beetlejuice somewhat, I've noticed.

      September 19, 2011 at 6:16 pm |
  17. Fred1

    Being an atheist, I wanted to say something hateful and derogatory about Pat Roberson; but, his own statement showed his true colors so well there nothing left for me to say.

    September 19, 2011 at 4:55 pm |
    • nostra

      Well, congrats on not telling us that.

      September 19, 2011 at 5:54 pm |
  18. David Johnson

    Christians believe in an immaterial soul. They believe this soul is our ident_ity or mind. It is essentially, "who we are". The essence of our personalities. The soul is said to leave the body when we die. God decides if our soul will go to Heaven or Hell. Evidently, our souls are given a physical body, that we might enjoy eternal bliss or torment.

    There is no evidence for a soul. Our obviously material brains contain all that we are. All that we have experienced, all that we have learned, all of our perceptions. When we die, our brains cease to function. We no longer exist. All that we were, is no more.

    Evidence to support this argument, is that disease, drugs, and injuries affect our ability to think. Our personalities to change. Cerebral palsy occurs when babies' brains are deprived of oxygen. Consider an Alzheimer's victim. The disease destroys the brain. The victim loses the ability to recognize their loved ones. In the last stages, many even lose the ability to swallow.

    If our mind and personality was immaterial and separate from our physical bodies, our thinking and personalities would not be affected.

    Our brains are constantly generating thoughts. Brain chemistry determines our emotions. We can't really tell, that these thoughts and emotions originate in our brains. It's easy for Believers to perceive thoughts and feelings, generated by their brains, as coming from outside themselves. *sigh* Jesus? Is that you? LOL!

    Evolution, with its evidence of transitional fossils, geological column, DNA evidence, vestigial organs etc., is very damning to the biblical Creation Story.

    If god created all the organisms on the planet, then He must have created even the diseases that have caused and are causing so much death and misery for humans and animals. He would have had to fashion the tick and the flea. The mosquito and blood flukes. And worms that bore into a child's eye.

    How could an all good god do such a thing? Why would He spend His time creating gruesome things to cause human suffering? Yet, these horrors exist. And if god didn't create them, who did?

    Evolution explains the diversity of the planet's organisms, including the pathogens and the parasites that have caused so much human death and misery.

    If the Creation Story is a fable, then Adam and Eve did not exist.

    If Adam and Eve did not exist, then there was no original sin.

    If there was no original sin, then it cannot be the reason god allows so much suffering in the world. We can dump the guilt trip.

    If there was no original sin, then there was no need for a redeemer.

    If there was no redeemer, then Christianity is a based on a false premise.

    "If we cannot believe in the First Adam, why believe in the Last [Christ]?" 1 Corinthians15:45

    If the Creation story is a myth, then there is no reason to believe any of the bible.

    If we evolved, there is no soul –> no afterlife –> no need of a heaven or hell.

    LOL, which is why the Evangelicals fight so hard against evolution.

    The whole Christian religion is built on a house of cards.

    Cheers!

    September 19, 2011 at 4:45 pm |
    • Kenrick Benjamin

      We act so suprised when these things happened and question the very existence of God and his word the Bible, but did not the Bible and God foretell us that these things would happen. We seem to think that we are the ones that have all the answers until things such as these happen, then we start with the questions Why this and Why that, were we not foretold.

      September 19, 2011 at 5:13 pm |
    • fred

      Thank you for making a case for Christ ! Most Christians do not fight evolution. I do not know a single Christian that says evolution does not happen. As to evolution we are just like the atheist looking for the scientific solutions to questions. The difference is that we know God the force or as you say the unknown something that acted upon nothingness to create all we are are today.
      God can use any method to create including evolution. The big difference is we know and you do not. Instead of staying in the dark about origin why not seek God instead of always seeking to undermine anothers hope, anothers belief. For some God and the hope He gives in the only light in their lives. What harm is that to you?
      You want to call it a house of cards you could not be more wrong. Jesus says in my Fathers house are many rooms and I have gone to prepare one for you. This is for believers and it causes you no harm. Ok, mabe it bugs you that some pray for you on occassion but since you do not believe in it forget about it. Jesus said my Fathers house is a house of prayer and turned over the card tables to make his point. Jesus said build your house on the foundation of the Lord and it will stand. A house that God has build will stand for eternity. Jesus had lineage to the House of David. In short the Bible speaks of something that will last and you look for something that will fold.
      This is why we try and tell you about the hope, the promise of the Good News. It is light and looks up in worship and love. Look at your posts speaking of that which will fold, collapse from nothing to nothing. That is what happens to one without soul.

      September 19, 2011 at 5:17 pm |
    • Observer

      Kenrick Benjamin,

      There will be earthquakes, floods, hurricanes and other disasters, famine, wars, phony religious leaders, and hard times in the future.

      There! Does that make me a Biblical prophet? Nothing's changed in THOUSANDS of years.

      September 19, 2011 at 5:20 pm |
    • deerobb

      Christians believe that a soul is your mind will and emotions.It is NOT who we are, be accepting Jesus the Christ as Savior, we experience the New Birth, the bible calls it metamorphuo, we became creations that have never existed before. God doesn't decide if we go to heaven or hell, its a choice, we all have free will. You accept jesus and receive eternal life, or don't, its your choice. The earth today is not the way God created it, He gave dominion of the earth to man, man gave it to satan. What you see today is all affected by satans influence. God did not create disease, satan hates us and twists and warps things to kill, steal and destroy. The first man was given control of the earth for a God chosen amount of time, man gave satan control and we wait for his lease to expire. A good God sent himself in human form to redeem us from the misery satan inflicts, as believers we have power over satan, all you have to do is ask Jesus to be the Lord of your life.

      September 19, 2011 at 5:21 pm |
    • fred

      Observer,
      You are a wise man indeed to speak that which come to pass. That is a good thing because in the old days we had to stone prophets if there visions did not come to pass.

      September 19, 2011 at 5:30 pm |
    • 1plus1

      Fred,
      The bible doesn't say anything about evolution, it says that God created the universe (and everything in it) in 6 days. If you want to interpret the word "days" to mean any amount of time you want, then.. well, you could interpret anything in the bible to mean anything you want (this goes along with picking and choosing which things in the bible to follow, and which to not follow – which doesn't make any sense to me either, if your gonna believe the bible, believe all of it -else your denying "God's Word").

      I went thru a long phase in my life when I thought "let people believe whatever they want, it doesn't hurt me".. Then 9-11 happened, and I realized that other people's belief could actually hurt me. Then I started speaking out against religion, and have continued to do so ever since.

      September 19, 2011 at 5:49 pm |
    • fred

      1plus1
      Evil men use religeon for their evil purposes. There was nothing evil in Jesus. Please read the New Testiment for yourself.

      September 19, 2011 at 7:28 pm |
    • fred

      1plus1
      The Bible is not a science book it is a love story from God to his creation. The Bible is the story about God redeeming a people for himself. When Moses said 1 day it could have been a day or as Moses said 1 day for theLord is like 10,000 . Further this 10,000 often was used to simply express a large number not a specific number. Now, I can see different point but the principle does not change. So it is with the entire word of God the principles are the same and do not change whether you believe in God or not.
      Interesting how atheists never like to acknowledge these biblical principles are true. If they do they attribute it to some unknown race from some other time period. 1+1 normally equals 2 so why can't you admit Gods laws apply even if you choose to claim the law came from nothingness.

      September 19, 2011 at 7:41 pm |
    • Observer

      Fred,
      "1 day for theLord is like 10,000"

      So when God says that no one is to work on the Sabbath Day, it means 10,000 days.

      September 19, 2011 at 7:55 pm |
    • evolvedDNA

      Fred..it is a love story in such a way that much is left out in a child's bible version. Did they leave the bit out about bears chopping kids for laughing at a bold head?

      September 19, 2011 at 8:15 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      You said " The whole Christian religion is built on a house of cards"

      The Christian "religion" has lasted through times, withstood in the face of fierces persecutiopns, and those who put their faith and trust in the One who is the source of our hope, which is Jesus Christ, willl even today gladly lay down their lives, if made to choose between wealth, position and security, or following their Lord and savior Jesus Christ.
      Yeah, comfort yourself with YOUR OWN delusiions, Davbid Johnson! Sing a luulibye to yoruself, tell yourself that it's all dumb sheep's crutch, and nothing else!

      But it is written:
      Behold, I lay in Zion
      A chief cornerstone, elect, precious,
      And he who believes on Him will by no means be put to shame.
      Therefore, to you who believe, He is precious; but to those who are disobedient the stone which the builders rejected
      Has become the chief cornerstone, and a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense.
      And who wsoever shall fall on athis stone shall be broken, but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder"

      ".... And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, and cried out to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”

      See how will you be able to fare then, buster!

      September 19, 2011 at 9:15 pm |
    • EvolvedDNA

      prism 1234..and you look forward to meeting this tyrant...hope you remember to be good for all of eternity sounds like he has temper if you upset him. Reading passages from a book is not proof that anything is real...

      September 19, 2011 at 11:16 pm |
    • The Bobinator

      > You said " The whole Christian religion is built on a house of cards"

      Which is correct, because it stands on the presumption of a God existing.

      > The Christian "religion" has lasted through times, withstood in the face of fierces persecutiopns, and those who put their faith and trust in the One who is the source of our hope, which is Jesus Christ, willl even today gladly lay down their lives, if made to choose between wealth, position and security, or following their Lord and savior Jesus Christ.

      So has Judiasm. So has Islam. That means your argument is nonsense.

      > Yeah, comfort yourself with YOUR OWN delusiions, Davbid Johnson! Sing a luulibye to yoruself, tell yourself that it's all dumb sheep's crutch, and nothing else!

      He's not singing it. He's reading and concluding it's all nonsense. Remember, your faith has God impregnating a virgin with himself to give birth to himself so he can sacrifice himself, to himself to create a loophole in a rule that he himself created. By the way, how does it make any sense that someone can absolve me for sins by dying on the cross? And another question, how is 3 days of suffering to go to heaven and be in charge any sort of sacrifice at all?

      > But it is written:
      Behold, I lay in Zion
      A chief cornerstone, elect, precious,
      And he who believes on Him will by no means be put to shame.
      Therefore, to you who believe, He is precious; but to those who are disobedient the stone which the builders rejected
      Has become the chief cornerstone, and a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense.
      And who wsoever shall fall on athis stone shall be broken, but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder"

      People who believe in things simply because they are written are morons.

      > ".... And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, and cried out to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”

      So what? What evidence do you have to think this is true?

      > See how will you be able to fare then, buster!

      Well, it's more likely then not that the God of the bible doesn't exist, since the God of the bible acts like an abject retard who's jealous, arrogant and spiteful, who needs to be placated by being worshipped by his own creations. A being who doesn't care what you do, but rather, what you believe and how much you'll kiss his butt.

      An all powerful God that requires his followers to enact his supposed laws, because he can't be bothered to stone the blasphemers himself. A God that has an important message and decides the best way to convey this is through burning bushes or through a single lone man to illiterate and stupified peasants.

      The God of the bible is a crude and illogical character that is clearly invented by primitive minds. The only reason you refuse to see the nonsense in the bible is because you cannot look and you cannot face the fact that you might be wrong.

      Because if you considered the fact that you might be wrong, you'd be forced to look for evidence, of which you'd find none.

      September 20, 2011 at 5:40 pm |
  19. fernace

    I remember what he & Jeb Bush tried to do to Michael Schiavo, now that you mention it! Even in the face of numerous expert opinions & Cat-scans that proved without a doubt that Terri was braindead, except for the most basic of functions, they were adimantly blocking every court ruling for the feeding tube to be removed & for Michael to be able to get on with his life! Alzheimer patients are not brain dead, they have a debilitating& fatal disease of the brain, but can function & have as many good days left of life as their families & caregivers allow! Talk about hypocracy!!

    September 19, 2011 at 4:41 pm |
    • chaffer

      Hear Hear! I did two research papers on the Schiavo case actually. I was surprised at the lengths people went to to make him feel like he didn't care about her. He helped take care of her for YEARS, hoping for some kind of improvement. This is a different scenario. The person with Alzheimers, while they get to the point that they cannot care for themselves, are still aware of what is going on around them. Only in the very late stages do they get to the point where they don't respond/can't do anything at all for themselves.

      September 19, 2011 at 4:53 pm |
  20. 1plus1

    Pat Robertson is such a disgrace to the human race. He is an extremist, fundamentalist – just like the Westboro freaks, and the Islamic nuts. Why he has a show, why people send him money... I'll never know.

    PS. There is no god. And if there is – out of the hundreds (maybe thousands) of gods that humans have worshiped, chances are – you've picked the wrong one. All hail Odin!

    September 19, 2011 at 4:40 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Yup. People like Robertson have forever turned me and millions of others away from any kind of religion whatsoever.

      September 19, 2011 at 9:06 pm |
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