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Moon Bible goes on sale in auction
Apollo 14 astronaut Edgar Mitchell (left) shakes hands with the Rev. John Stott, NASA’s then-chaplain.
September 22nd, 2011
10:34 AM ET

Moon Bible goes on sale in auction

By Richard Allen Greene, CNN

(CNN) - A rare Bible that's been to the moon and back will have a new owner Thursday night - the complete King James version, framed in gold leaf, is under the hammer at an auction house in New Hampshire.

But whoever takes it home won't be able to leaf through it. It's a piece of microfilm, with the text of 1,245 pages shrunken down to the size of a postage stamp.

"It's the whole King James (Bible) on there. It's really cool," says Bobby Livingston, vice president of sales and marketing at RR Auction, which is handling the sale.

The Bible was taken into space three times before it reached the lunar surface, he said - first on Apollo 12, when it was stored in the wrong part of the spaceship and orbited the moon, but didn't land on it, then on the ill-fated Apollo 13, which had an explosion on board that forced it to turn back, and finally on Apollo 14.

Lunar module pilot Edgar Mitchell brought 100 microfilmed copies of the Bible to the surface of the moon on February 5, 1971, Livingston said.

"Most of them were given away when they came back, or were cut into pieces as presentation pieces for dignitaries from the U.S. and from other states," Livingston explained. At least a dozen complete versions still exist.

Bringing a Bible to the moon had been a dream of a group of committed believers in the space program since the beginning of the Apollo mission efforts to reach the moon, said Carol Mersch, author of "The Apostles of Apollo."

"Through the centuries, explorers have carried the Bible across countries to far off lands, pushing the boundaries of exploration. It was not unnatural then that NASA chaplain John Stout and a group called The Apollo Prayer League would undertake a quest to see it carried to another celestial body," she said.

Apollo 1 astronaut Ed White wanted to bring the first Bible to the moon, but died in a fire on the launch pad, Mersch said.

"After his death, fellow astronauts and The Apollo Prayer League took up White's quest, so that, as Apollo 15 astronaut Jim Irwin said, 'those who came after would know that we came from a world of believers,'" Mersch told CNN.

The moon Bible now under the hammer went from Mitchell, the astronaut, to a "well-known space collector from Texas," Livingston said.

He expects it to go for about $50,000 by the time the auction closes at 7 p.m. ET Thursday.

At least one top Bible-collecting expert said he wasn't interested at that price.

Scott Carroll, the director of the Green Collection, one of the world's largest collections of ancient texts, called the moon Bible an "oddity."

"You could pick up a 13th-century Bible for that (price), so it's a tough call," he said.

It wouldn't make a good piece for museum display, he said, because it's so small.

"You gaze into it and say 'wow,' but you can't see anything," he said.

But there will be some people who want to buy it, either as an investment or out of personal interest, Carroll said.

"Of course people who may be people of faith that are interested in astronomy, in aerospace exploration, it would be of great interest," he said.

Several of the Apollo astronauts were just such men, RR Auction's Livingston said.

"What's really interesting about Mitchell is he said he had an epiphany looking out the window" of Apollo 14, Livingston said. "It's not just the death-defying part of it. They talk of the spirituality of the moment of being on the moon, the moment of standing on another planetary body."

Apollo 17 commander Gene Cernan, one of the last men to walk on the moon, put it starkly, Livingston said.

"He said to me, 'Bobby, I know infinity exists,'" Livingston recalls. The auctioneer asked how Cernan knew, and got a simple answer: "I've seen it."

- Newsdesk editor, The CNN Wire

Filed under: Bible • Science

soundoff (654 Responses)
  1. Uncouth Swain

    Nice story...always liked the space program.

    September 22, 2011 at 1:23 pm |
    • MarkinFL

      Amen to that.

      September 22, 2011 at 1:24 pm |
  2. @Markin

    This is Mathilda. Don't try to force to create contradictions where there is none. You're just too lazy to read texts. Can I become American? It's my dream. ^^

    September 22, 2011 at 1:12 pm |
    • MarkinFL

      Who's looking for contradiction? I'm just trying to figure out who was doing who during the sick little soap opera at the beginning of time.

      September 22, 2011 at 1:16 pm |
    • Richard S Kaiser

      @ MarkinFl and all,,,,,,

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_mythology#Cosmogony_and_cosmology is a good place to discover the very 1st teachings of "creationism" and all about the gods.

      September 22, 2011 at 2:21 pm |
  3. Kenrick Benjamin

    Obsever the Bible states for a lack of knowledge a Man will perish, not for a lack of religious knowledge.

    September 22, 2011 at 1:09 pm |
    • MarkinFL

      However, it starts with punishing man for trying to attain knowledge. Makes a rather strong point about it that reverberates through all time(biblical time anyway).

      September 22, 2011 at 1:12 pm |
    • Fact

      Knowing God is the beginning of knowledge, understanding and wisdom.

      September 22, 2011 at 1:15 pm |
    • MarkinFL

      Apparently its the end as well.

      September 22, 2011 at 1:16 pm |
    • Zeke2112

      "Knowing God is the beginning of knowledge, understanding and wisdom."

      Claiming that humans can understand God and the creation of the universe with our limited intellect is like saying that penguins can understand rocketry.

      September 22, 2011 at 2:42 pm |
    • THE BROWN NOTE

      claiming god exists because of a poorly written fiction novel is moronic

      even worse trying to justify it by using rocket science and penguins as an analogy

      do us all a favor and provide proof of this mythological being otherwise pucker your pie hole

      September 22, 2011 at 6:19 pm |
    • Uncouth Swain

      @TBN- "a poorly written fiction novel is moronic"

      Yeah..and it's moronic that a young little pi**-ant like yourself thinks their opinion matters on a text that has been around for thousands of years. Go give your opinion on something more your speed...like the Harry Potter books. They should be around your age.

      September 22, 2011 at 6:49 pm |
    • Know What

      Uncouth Swain, "...a text that has been around for thousands of years."

      If longevity is the hallmark of truth, then Hindu beliefs trump yours.

      September 22, 2011 at 6:58 pm |
    • THE BROWN NOTE

      swain

      that 2000 year old book is full of lies and it completely debunks itself

      you pretend like youre smart

      try reading it before you spout your opinions

      i speak only facts about the bible because i get all of my facts from the bible

      try it sometime and you wont make yourself out to be a fool anymore

      but then again im sure youll continue striving for mediocrity

      you always do

      September 22, 2011 at 8:45 pm |
    • derp

      "like the Harry Potter books"

      Which are just as real as the bible.

      September 23, 2011 at 9:39 am |
    • Anton LaVey

      Zeke2112

      "Knowing God is the beginning of knowledge, understanding and wisdom."

      Claiming that humans can understand God and the creation of the universe with our limited intellect is like saying that penguins can understand rocketry.

      --------
      Not sure you realize how foolish your statement is. Explaining rational thoughts and science to a supersti t ious caveman mentality is a lot like trying to talk to a retard.

      September 28, 2011 at 2:30 pm |
  4. Mathilda

    Why are these unbelieving Americans so stupid? What are the religious Jews doing in USA, not educating them? Jews, stop decrying against anti-Semitism alone. These Americans who can't read OT texts will destroy their own country in no time.

    September 22, 2011 at 12:33 pm |
    • MarkinFL

      Read it. Detested it.

      September 22, 2011 at 12:51 pm |
    • MarkinFL

      Mathilda, what country do you live in?

      September 22, 2011 at 12:53 pm |
    • Chuckles

      Mathilda,

      Your missing a key point in Judaism,

      We don't WANT anyone else to join. We don't proseltyze, we don't convert or force conversion and the rest of the world aren't gods chosen, its not our responsibility to make them so. I guarantee you the more religious jews you'll meet will think you are less than sc.um because your a christian.

      Put that in your pipe and smoke it

      September 22, 2011 at 12:56 pm |
    • Anton LaVey

      Mathilda

      Markin, what happens if you go to a planet with your wife only to live there and had sons and daughters there? How will your children find marriage partners? It was okay for the first-born generation. From the second, they had cousins.

      ---–
      Please show me where it is written. Cain did not breed with Eve, rather went into the land of Nod where there was already a seperate population/people. No where does it state the people of the land of Nod are related to Adam and Eve. There is a truth which you are choosing to avoid.
      .
      I think this is the part where you assume around the obvious that you wish to avoid.

      September 22, 2011 at 12:59 pm |
    • Anton LaVey

      MarkinFL

      Mathilda, what country do you live in?

      ---------
      Not in the USA and from her comments she knows very little of the USA.

      September 22, 2011 at 1:00 pm |
    • @Chuckles

      I'm more Jewish than you. You just proved why the Jews are not as good as Christians; you don't have a burden on all humanity when God told you to be the light of the world so the filthy Gentiles could follow you and get saved. You have no hope unless you repent and believe in your Messiah Jesus for the remission of sins.

      September 22, 2011 at 1:02 pm |
    • MarkinFL

      Anton, so it was a little like "pocket-god" back then? God just kept creating a bunch of humans until there was a safe breeding population. Adam and eve were just the first model?

      September 22, 2011 at 1:05 pm |
    • @Anton

      By the time Cain killed Abel, it did seem that Adam and Eve had quite number of children and they may had their own children. Who said Cain bred with Eve? You guys are sick.

      September 22, 2011 at 1:05 pm |
    • Chuckles

      Mathilda

      I've had a bar mitzvah, you haven't, thus throughout the jewish world I am a jewish man and you are nothing but a gentile who thinks that a kooky guy who called himself god actually was on to something. If you think thats not true then you have proven just how ignorant you are of Judaism at large and the details as well. Sorry kid, but god made a promise with us AND ONLY us, he's totally cool with us killing and annihlating everyone else as long as they aren't other jews.

      September 22, 2011 at 1:06 pm |
    • MarkinFL

      So scr@wing your sister is fine, but doing mom is sick. Got it. Go Caligula!

      September 22, 2011 at 1:10 pm |
    • @Chuckles

      The Bible says those who believe God's Son whom God has sent are the true Israel in God's sight. You always missed God's will by rejecting Him. All your rituals and holidays signify your Messiah Jesus.

      September 22, 2011 at 1:10 pm |
    • TooFunny

      "All your rituals and holidays signify your Messiah Jesus"

      No they don't – Christmas was stolen from the pagan ritual of worshiping winter solstice. Wow the ignorance of people about their own faith is appalling.

      September 22, 2011 at 1:12 pm |
    • Fact

      Barbaric Europeans butchered innocent children around the Christmas time and Christians had to educate Europeans to halt the practices.

      September 22, 2011 at 1:14 pm |
    • Chuckles

      Nope, that's what the new testement says after gentiles decided to hijack judaism and further their own cause.

      Lets go through some really important holdiays shall we?

      Rosh Hashanna – New Years – no jesus there
      Yom Kippur – Restablishing the covenant between jews and god, – I still spy no jesus
      Passover – Celebration about the exodus – I forget, was jesus there for that one.....no no he wasn't
      Sukkoth – Celebration of the harvest – Unless jesus grows on trees I can't possibly see how jesus fits

      Shall I go on?

      Jews are around because we know that we should follow god, not a guy claiming to be god. Because of this jews hate you just as much as a muslim does, more so because it's been the purpose of christianity for a while to kill us all, so we kind of hold alittle grudge. Don't believe me? We still hate the Romans....

      September 22, 2011 at 1:17 pm |
    • @Chuckles

      Jesus is the new beginning for mankind. Jesus is the New Covenant between God and us. Jesus died for our sins instead of us. Those who are inside of His blood-covering get the passover of death and receive eternal life. Jesus gives us the true harvest. Read the Pentateuch and Gospels together. Everything is there.

      September 22, 2011 at 1:24 pm |
    • Chuckles

      You keep telling me to read these things like I've never done so, untrue.

      You do realize the difference between a jew and a christian right? Maybe that's where we're getting mixed up, you see the main difference hinges on the fact that jews DON'T believe in jesus, it's sort of a big deal. Reading the new testement, the gospels or any of that other stuff is about as good as reading the koran if you are a jew. Because of this, you are in no way a jew, and like I said, we don't want you.

      September 22, 2011 at 1:28 pm |
    • Chuckles

      Also, just because you inserted jesus as somehow being a new year, a covenant (which is true for christians, NOT for jews) some how lambs blood and as a harvest in no way makes it true or has any bearing on any of those holidays.

      September 22, 2011 at 1:30 pm |
    • @Chuckles

      I'm sorry what the Bible-illiterate "Christians" did to the Jews, though you were not very nice all the time either. Read Romans chapter 9. We Gentile Christians share the same sentiment with the Jewish Apostle Paul. We Bible-reading Christians definitely love you, Jews.

      September 22, 2011 at 1:32 pm |
    • Anton LaVey

      @Anton

      By the time Cain killed Abel, it did seem that Adam and Eve had quite number of children and they may had their own children. Who said Cain bred with Eve? You guys are sick
      ------–

      ????? Show me where it talks about other children leaving Adam and Eve and creating a whole land of people??????? Kind of a big deal if children leave Adam and Eve and create a group or civilization in a land. LIke I said this is just an example of one of the parts of the bibles the christians have to dance around the obvious.

      September 22, 2011 at 1:36 pm |
    • Observer

      @Anton,
      "By the time Cain killed Abel, it did seem that Adam and Eve had quite number of children and they may had their own children. Who said Cain bred with Eve? You guys are sick."

      That's classic. Who did Adam and Eve's children mate with? Was it their own brothers and sisters or their nieces and nephews? Cain married someone in an alternate civilization at Nod.

      Read the Bible sometime and try to use at least a tiny bit of logic.
      "You guys are sick".

      September 22, 2011 at 1:36 pm |
    • Chuckles

      Paul may have been jewish, but he gave up his credentials when he declared war on jews an OK'ed persecution on them. Jews most certainly do not have clean hands, but hey, our religion, as much as yours, OK's killing people who aren't part of the group, so we have a clean conscious.

      Also, most bible reading christians are the ones to point out how the angry jews during the passion are the ones to kill christ. If you want to go to the most bible readingist christian there is, go to the popes up till about now who just "forgave the jews for killing christ" as if we needed forgiveness. Dis.picable and disgusting.

      September 22, 2011 at 1:38 pm |
    • GodPot

      Just an FYI on the Adam & Eve discussion, at best they were a representation of supposed first humans, at worst they are complete fabrication and based on much older creation myths that Moses had been taught growing up as a prince of Egypt. Read the stories he would have learned before he wrote Genesis and you will be quite surprised. Like this begining to the creation story he already knew long before bringing his people out of Egypt:

      "In the beginning, before there was any land of Egypt, all was darkness, and there was nothing but a great waste of water called Nun. The power of Nun was such that there arose out of the darkness a great shining egg, and this was Re. His power and the secret of it lay in his hidden name; but if he spoke other names, that which he named came into being."

      "Then he named Shu, and the first winds blew; he named Tefnut the spitter, and the first rain fell. Next he named Geb, and the earth came into being; he named the goddess Nut, and she was the sky arched over the earth with her feet on one horizon and her hands on the other; he named Hapi, and the great River Nile flowed through Egypt and made it fruitful"

      "After this Re named all things that are upon the earth, and they grew. Last of all he named mankind, and there were men and women in the land of Egypt."

      "In time men no longer feared him or obeyed his laws. They laughed at him, saying: "Look at Re! His bones are like silver, his flesh like gold, his hair is the colour of lapis lazuli!"

      "Re was angry when he heard this, and he was more angry still at the evil deeds which men were doing in disobedience to his laws."

      "look upon mankind who came into being at a glance of my Eye. See how men plot against me; hear what they say of me; tell me what I should do to them. For I will not destroy mankind until I have heard what you advise."

      "Send against them the glance of your Eye in the form Sekhmet!" cried all the other gods and goddesses, bowing before Re until their foreheads touched the ground."

      "So at the terrible glance from the Eye of Re his daughter came into being, the fiercest of all goddesses. Like a lion she rushed upon her prey, and her chief delight was in slaughter, and her pleasure was in blood. At the bidding of Re she came into Upper and Lower Egypt to slay those who had scorned and disobeyed him: she killed them among the mountains which lie on either side of the Nile, and down beside the river, and in the burning deserts."

      However, I bet half the Christians here did not even know Moses wrote Genesis during their 40 year camping trip several thousand years after the supposed events happened. The other half likely did not know Moses was taught Egyptian mythology long before he was told the verbal histories of his people, which he sought out after he discovered who he was, which you will find interwoven with variations of the Egyptian myths he already knew. Just thought you should know.

      September 22, 2011 at 1:58 pm |
    • Zeke2112

      Still snickering at the people arguing about whose fairy tale is right.

      Hint: it's neither.

      September 22, 2011 at 2:46 pm |
    • Jeff

      After reading this inane thread I have to thank you all for reaffirming why I am an atheist. You people are simply nuts!

      September 22, 2011 at 5:16 pm |
  5. Richard S Kaiser

    Mat 6:33 "But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you."

    Jhn 18:36 Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence."

    1Cr 3:9 “For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, [ye are] God's building.”

    1Cr 3:16 "Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?"

    Luk 17:21 "Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is inside/within you."

    1Cr 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

    1Cr 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which [temple] ye are

    1Cr 4:5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.

    Only with added light and high magnification can the “hidden things” of inner space be revealed. Only by capturing light by time and telescopic magnification can one see the far away outer space “hidden things” and still one cannot see but a short distance the closer outer space phenomenon while much outer space “hidden things” will never be seen by our prying eyes. Both places of “hidden things” are of one and the sameness, ergo which one is imitating the other or are both things of the hidden mimicking each other simultaneously?

    Remember therefore to, "seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you".

    September 22, 2011 at 12:33 pm |
    • Leafonthewind

      "Only with added light and high magnification can the “hidden things” of inner space be revealed." Is that why they put this bible on microfilm?

      September 22, 2011 at 2:43 pm |
    • Ummm

      "Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?"

      That's why there are so many Christians that smoke, over eat, drink too much, eat junk and fake foods, guess they don't believe their god really does dwell in them. LOL! Hey Christians you're treating your god like crap. LOL!

      September 22, 2011 at 2:48 pm |
    • THE BROWN NOTE

      hidden things

      funny

      the bible says not to interpret it

      so about these hidden things

      September 22, 2011 at 8:47 pm |
  6. Observer

    Mathilda,

    "God would have destroyed the tablets if Moses didn't.". Of course. Sure thing. God had no idea what was going on when he made the tablets, so he must have been completely fooled by how it turned out. Of course, he immediately replaced them. LOL.

    September 22, 2011 at 12:18 pm |
    • THE BROWN NOTE

      he replaced them

      but the commandments were different the second time around

      September 22, 2011 at 8:47 pm |
  7. Anton LaVey

    Hey a bible that is actually worth something other than toilet paper or door stop.

    September 22, 2011 at 12:15 pm |
    • John Thompson

      It is written: "'As surely as I live,' says the Lord, 'every knee will bow before me; every tongue will confess to God.'"

      September 22, 2011 at 4:54 pm |
    • Jeff

      @John: A lot of things are "written"... Doesn't mean they're true.

      September 22, 2011 at 5:18 pm |
    • All the Frigg'n Myths

      John Thompson... "'every knee will bow before me; every tongue will confess to God.'"

      This sounds much more like something that your egomaniacal "Satan" character would say...

      September 22, 2011 at 5:24 pm |
  8. Richard S Kaiser

    GOD’s Love

    I Love GOD because “I am“.
    I am living because of GOD
    I am learning because of GOD
    I am seeing my faults because of GOD
    I am repentant because of GOD.
    GOD’s Love allows me to be what "I am".

    You ought Love GOD because “You are”.
    You are living because of GOD.
    You are learning because of GOD.
    You are seeing many faults because of GOD.
    You are repentant because of GOD.
    GOD’s Love allows you to be what “You are”.

    We need to Love GOD because “We are”.
    We are living because of GOD.
    We are learning because of GOD.
    We are seeing our faults because of GOD.
    We are repentant because of GOD.
    GOD’s Love allows us to be as “We are”.

    September 22, 2011 at 12:14 pm |
    • MarkinFL

      Wow, reminds me of reading the bible. Wash, rinse, repeat. Ad Nauseum.

      September 22, 2011 at 12:15 pm |
    • derp

      Inicorn’s Love

      I Love Unicorns because “I am“.
      I am living because of Unicorns
      I am learning because of Unicorns
      I am seeing my faults because of Unicorns
      I am repentant because of Unicorns.
      Unicorn’s Love allows me to be what "I am".

      You ought Love Unicorns because “You are”.
      You are living because of Unicorns.
      You are learning because of Unicorns.
      You are seeing many faults because of Unicorns.
      You are repentant because of Unicorns.
      Unicorn’s Love allows you to be what “You are”.

      We need to Love Unicorns because “We are”.
      We are living because of Unicorns.
      We are learning because of Unicorns.
      We are seeing our faults because of Unicorns.
      We are repentant because of Unicorns.
      Unicorn’s Love allows us to be as “We are”.

      Obey the Sasquatch Code, or spend eternity in the frozen hell of Atlantis.

      September 22, 2011 at 12:19 pm |
    • MarkinFL

      When I die, I will live in a world of unicorn's that eat rainbows and poop butterflies!

      September 22, 2011 at 12:21 pm |
    • Richard S Kaiser

      @ derp,,,,,,,,,,

      I do so Love Unicorns and winged Horses derp! 🙂

      September 22, 2011 at 12:28 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      "God's Love"
      by: Bad Religion

      Striking at mental apparitions
      Like a drunk on a vacant street
      Silently beset by the hands of time
      Indelicate in its fury
      An aberrant crack as skeletons yield
      To unrelenting gravity
      While viruses prowl for helpless victims
      Who succu.mb rapidly
      Tell me; where is the love?
      In a careless creation
      When there’s no “above”
      There’s no justice
      Just a cause and a cure
      And a bounty of suffering
      It seems we all endure
      And what I’m frightened of
      Is that they call it “God’s love”

      Twisted torment, make-believe
      There’s a truth and we all submit
      “Believe my eyes,” my brain complies
      To all that they interpret
      I know there’s no reason for alarm
      But who needs perspective when it comes to pain and harm
      We can change our minds; there’s a better prize
      They call it God’s love
      My pain is God’s love

      September 22, 2011 at 1:13 pm |
    • Jeff

      Nice derp! Blessed be her holy hooves.

      September 22, 2011 at 5:20 pm |
  9. derp

    Wait a second, I thought you knuckle dragging bible thumpers believed the moon landings were staged?

    September 22, 2011 at 12:12 pm |
    • MarkinFL

      Nope, that's the Conspiracist sect and is open to a wide range of weak minded paranoid types and not exclusive to Christians.

      September 22, 2011 at 12:14 pm |
    • derp

      "weak minded paranoid types"

      Uh, doesn't that pretty much describe christians.

      September 22, 2011 at 12:22 pm |
    • MarkinFL

      All that glitters is not gold. The set of all paranoids intersects the set of Christians but is not congruent.

      September 22, 2011 at 12:29 pm |
  10. derp

    Am I the only one who sees the Irony of a bible that is famous because of one of mans greatest scientific achievements?

    September 22, 2011 at 12:09 pm |
    • MarkinFL

      God is an iron.

      September 22, 2011 at 12:12 pm |
    • derp

      That makes sense, every time I overshoot the green, I scream "Jesus Christ!!!!!"

      September 22, 2011 at 12:14 pm |
    • Observer

      Excellent point. None of that came about from any science found in the Bible. Nowhere does the Bible say to learn as much as you can about anything but religion.

      September 22, 2011 at 12:14 pm |
    • Trobe

      derp, re your original post, I almost posted the same thing. I hear you.

      September 22, 2011 at 12:16 pm |
  11. when

    Praise the Lord! Enjoy the day and the breath He has given you. Seek the Lord, while you still can.

    September 22, 2011 at 12:03 pm |
    • MarkinFL

      Why is he hiding?

      September 22, 2011 at 12:05 pm |
    • Mathilda

      Markin, because you sinned.

      September 22, 2011 at 12:09 pm |
    • derp

      I thought it was Eve's fault

      September 22, 2011 at 12:10 pm |
    • Trobe

      Little wimpy god got scared and hid because I "sinned"? Too funny.

      September 22, 2011 at 12:10 pm |
    • MarkinFL

      I thought we all sinned? Its in our nature. I guess its in his nature to play hide and seek. He'll just have to satisfied to play with himself while I sit this one out.

      September 22, 2011 at 12:11 pm |
    • Jimtanker

      Sin doesn’t exist. It is an artificial creation of a bunch of religious zealots. I have never sinned in my life.

      September 22, 2011 at 12:24 pm |
    • MarkinFL

      Sin is the spi.ce of life. It is one of the main reasons religion does not die out. Guilty pleasures are a lot more fun.
      Sin repent repeat. Its what makes the world go round!

      September 22, 2011 at 12:40 pm |
    • THE BROWN NOTE

      well i was seeking toilet paper and then i stumbled upon this article

      i think i will purchase this bible

      September 22, 2011 at 8:49 pm |
  12. Jimtanker

    Mathilda

    "The 10 Commandments were written on stone tablets, not on papers. Moses had to destroy them because Israelites sinned. He was given them again by God."

    Uh, no he didnt. He was givent a completely DIFFERENT set. And this second set is what is refered to in your bible as THE TEN COMMANDMENTS. Exodus 34:28. Read it. Nowhere in Exodus 20 does it say that those are THE TEN COMMANDMENTS.

    September 22, 2011 at 11:53 am |
    • MarkinFL

      Why are we so concerned with the 10 commandments anyway? They are mostly un-Consti.tutional and the ones that aren;t are pretty standard rules of civilization that have existed outside of Christendom for much longer.

      I once was given a pencil with the 10 commandments printed on it after I memorized them. I saved that pencil for a long time and finally used it to right an essay for school about the above facts. So I did find at least one use for them...

      September 22, 2011 at 11:58 am |
    • Mathilda

      Jim, there could be time-lapse between verse 26 and 27. From the whole Pentateuch, we know the 10 commandments are in chapter 20, not in 34.

      September 22, 2011 at 12:07 pm |
    • MarkinFL

      The bible interpretation dance has got to the the longest running endurance competi.tion of all time.

      September 22, 2011 at 12:09 pm |
    • Jeff

      "I give to you these 15... (crash!)... TEN Commandments!"

      M. Brooks

      September 22, 2011 at 5:23 pm |
    • Kyle

      Here are the two sets of ten commandments: http://ebonmusings.org/atheism/10c.html

      September 22, 2011 at 8:51 pm |
  13. Don't Feed the Trolls

    HeavenSent, good to see you trolling another belief blog post...the Trolls never stop

    September 22, 2011 at 11:49 am |
    • HeavensSent

      I'm just trolling to find some little girls to pour chocolate sauce on.

      Mmmmm.....chocolate!

      September 22, 2011 at 12:24 pm |
    • caw

      I prefer women who want to pour chocolate sauce on me 😀

      September 22, 2011 at 1:49 pm |
  14. Don't Feed the Trolls

    Mathilda is an obvious troll...Spewing Nonsense like that takes either insanity or practice.

    September 22, 2011 at 11:46 am |
  15. MarkinFL

    I'm beginning to wonder if Mathilda is a troll. She is such a caricature of a numb-skull blind-faith Christian that it is hard to believe she is real.

    September 22, 2011 at 11:37 am |
    • HeavenSent

      What else could we expect from a spiritually dead, dry bones.

      Amen.

      September 22, 2011 at 11:41 am |
    • Mathilda

      Markin, I'm a real person, an old woman who remember WW2. I want to tell Americans the facts they have forgotten because you never read worthy books but only watch cartoons.

      September 22, 2011 at 11:46 am |
    • William Demuth

      I have been diagnosing her for a while.

      I believe she is Chinese (raised by the Communist Government, probably an orphan) from the area near the North Korean border.

      She got involved with Christian missionaries as a child (probably deflowered by one)

      She believes the US and Israel are somehow divine (Because she is at best mocked back home, and probably a lot worse)

      She is good hearted, but actually quite ill.

      September 22, 2011 at 11:47 am |
    • MarkinFL

      Besides the fact that I have probably read more books than you have ever seen (including your loathsome bible) , I find that 15 minutes with Sponge Bob is far more spiritually fulfilling than any measurable time with an Evangelical Christian. At least he embodies love and kindness without judgement. I wish I could be more like him. He is a role model worthy of following.

      September 22, 2011 at 11:51 am |
    • Mathilda

      William, you've been wrong though I know what they experience, but I'm none of what you say. I'm just mixed. I never regard any nation as divine. God alone is Divine. I just love USA and wish her the best. Is loving USA such a crime?

      September 22, 2011 at 11:53 am |
    • observer

      Right on Mathilda! atheists watch Spongebob and Family guy is their gospel.

      September 22, 2011 at 11:54 am |
    • Mathilda

      Markin, you find Christians judgmental only because you are immoral.

      September 22, 2011 at 11:55 am |
    • MarkinFL

      Typical Christian "Logic".

      We wouldn't judge you if you did not need to be judged.....

      Wow, you can justify ANY action with that "logic"....

      And now we judge you right back and find you failing on almost every level.

      September 22, 2011 at 12:01 pm |
    • TooFunny

      "I'm a real person, an old woman '

      I believe HS is too which explains why they are so brainwashed and great examples of what not to be as a christian.

      September 22, 2011 at 12:59 pm |
    • hahaha

      Mathilda, there is nothing scarier then someone who gets their morality from abrahamic religions.

      September 22, 2011 at 1:31 pm |
    • Answer

      Thankfully the old will die. When Mathilda dies we'll just spit and that will be that.

      September 22, 2011 at 7:06 pm |
  16. Reality

    For the next trip to the Moon and back:

    1. origin: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20E1EFE35540C7A8CDDAA0894DA404482

    “New Torah For Modern Minds

    Abraham, the Jewish patriarch, probably never existed. Nor did Moses. The entire Exodus story as recounted in the Bible probably never occurred. The same is true of the tumbling of the walls of Jericho. And David, far from being the fearless king who built Jerusalem into a mighty capital, was more likely a provincial leader whose reputation was later magnified to provide a rallying point for a fledgling nation.

    Such startling propositions – the product of findings by archaeologists digging in Israel and its environs over the last 25 years – have gained wide acceptance among non-Orthodox rabbis. But there has been no attempt to disseminate these ideas or to discuss them with the laity – until now.

    The United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism, which represents the 1.5 million Conservative Jews in the United States, has just issued a new Torah and commentary, the first for Conservatives in more than 60 years. Called "Etz Hayim" ("Tree of Life" in Hebrew), it offers an interpretation that incorporates the latest findings from archaeology, philology, anthropology and the study of ancient cultures. To the editors who worked on the book, it represents one of the boldest efforts ever to introduce into the religious mainstream a view of the Bible as a human rather than divine docu-ment. “

    2. Jesus was an illiterate Jewish peasant/carpenter/simple preacher man who suffered from hallucinations (or “mythicizing” from P, M, M, L and J) and who has been characterized anywhere from the Messiah from Nazareth to a mythical character from mythical Nazareth to a ma-mzer from Nazareth (Professor Bruce Chilton, in his book Rabbi Jesus). An-alyses of Jesus’ life by many contemporary NT scholars (e.g. Professors Ludemann, Crossan, Borg and Fredriksen, ) via the NT and related doc-uments have concluded that only about 30% of Jesus' sayings and ways noted in the NT were authentic. The rest being embellishments (e.g. miracles)/hallucinations made/had by the NT authors to impress various Christian, Jewish and Pagan sects.

    The 30% of the NT that is "authentic Jesus" like everything in life was borrowed/plagiarized and/or improved from those who came before. In Jesus' case, it was the ways and sayings of the Babylonians, Greeks, Persians, Egyptians, Hitt-ites, Canaanites, OT, John the Baptizer and possibly the ways and sayings of traveling Greek Cynics.

    earlychristianwritings.com/theories.html

    For added "pizzazz", Catholic theologians divided god the singularity into three persons and invented atonement as an added guilt trip for the "pew people" to go along with this trinity of overseers. By doing so, they made god the padre into god the "filicider".

    Current RCC problems:

    Pedophiliac priests, an all-male, mostly white hierarchy, atonement theology and original sin!!!!

    3., Luther, Calvin, Joe Smith, Henry VIII, Wesley, Roger Williams, the Great “Babs” et al, founders of Christian-based religions or combination religions also suffered from the belief in/hallucinations of "pretty wingie thingie" visits and "prophecies" for profits analogous to the myths of Catholicism (resurrections, apparitions, ascensions and immacu-late co-nceptions).

    Current problems:
    Adulterous preachers, pedophiliac clerics, "propheteering/ profiteering" evangelicals and atonement theology,

    September 22, 2011 at 11:13 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Why don't you go Reality. Moon rocks are just as spiritually dead as you. You'd be at home with like minds.

      Amen.

      September 22, 2011 at 11:42 am |
  17. Pippa

    Read your Bible pray everyday, pray everyday, pray everyday,
    Read your Bible pray everyday it will help you grow,.it will help you grow...

    September 22, 2011 at 11:05 am |
    • Trobe

      Pippa, it's better to read the Harry Potter series or LOTR. They are far better, and better-written, and more interesting works of fiction than the nonsense of the bible.

      The bible is merely an arbitrary assembly of nth revisions and mistranslations of holy gobbledygo-ok written over many centuries. No one should have to read it. Hopefully it will fade into obscu-rity.

      September 22, 2011 at 11:28 am |
    • MarkinFL

      wash, rinse, repeat.

      September 22, 2011 at 11:28 am |
    • HeavenSent

      They can't Pippa. Fools refuse to learn His wisdom.

      Amen.

      September 22, 2011 at 11:43 am |
    • Trobe

      "fools refuse to learn his wisdom" -brighter minds can see that the bible is a big load of cr-ap.

      September 22, 2011 at 12:18 pm |
  18. myweightinwords

    While I am a lover of rare books and would love to one day have the money to add to my collection of old texts, neither of those would bring me to bid on this.

    It is more of an oddity for the space collectors, the folks who buy bits of space craft and astronaut memorabilia. As a book it is relatively worthless since it can not be read.

    September 22, 2011 at 11:00 am |
    • Trobe

      The text is worthless even when it can be read. The micro version here is even less useful than the book because it doesn't even make a good doorstop or paperweight.

      September 22, 2011 at 11:35 am |
  19. Mathilda

    Americans, know that in many parts of the world today people still die to get and read the Bible just like 400 years ago your ancestors did. The Bible is worth all the trouble. Atheists kill us for possessing it but the Bible is better than life.

    September 22, 2011 at 10:43 am |
    • William Demuth

      You can have as MANY as you like.

      I am sure it will serve you as well as a copy of the Guiness Book Of World Records, but that is your own affair

      September 22, 2011 at 10:54 am |
    • observer

      Right on Mathilda!

      silly willy as usual refuses to read the Bible.

      September 22, 2011 at 10:59 am |
    • Observer

      Mathilda,

      "Atheists kill us for possessing it but the Bible is better than life". Where is that happening TODAY? Do you want to go back in history and talk about believers killing non-believers?

      September 22, 2011 at 11:11 am |
    • Trobe

      Time to state the obvious again: Mathilda is stupid and deluded.

      September 22, 2011 at 11:30 am |
    • Mathilda

      @Observer: North Korea does it, your homeland. Atheists, Muslims, militant Hindus and militant Buddhists still give us hard time. Muslims converting to other religions usually either get imprisoned or killed.

      September 22, 2011 at 11:40 am |
    • Mathilda

      On this planet, only Christianity brought the freedom of conscience into legality because it was absolutely necessary for conversion from paganism to Christianity and also to read the Bible. In other places, freedom of conscience was not conceived because it was not even necessary. Then the secular white Westerners used the concept to spread immorality. Abuse of freedom.

      September 22, 2011 at 11:43 am |
    • MarkinFL

      Is it freedom or not? We should be free as long as we choose Christianity? Typical religious tyrant. Which is why we follow the Consti.tution and not some nasty text like the bible.

      September 22, 2011 at 11:46 am |
    • Observer

      Mathilda,

      "North Korea does it, your homeland."

      Whose homeland? Mine? Are you completely daffy?

      September 22, 2011 at 11:46 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Observer, is the scriptures getting to you what parents of disobedient children were suppose to do? When the shoe fits, you should wear it.

      Amen.

      September 22, 2011 at 11:48 am |
    • Observer

      Mathilda,

      "the secular white Westerners used the concept to spread immorality". If you do any research, you'll see that the Bile has been used to justify slavery, oppose racial intermarriage, support the inferiority of women, etc. Now THAT is immorality.

      September 22, 2011 at 11:49 am |
    • Observer

      HeavenSent,

      I don't understand what you said. Are you supporting God who wanted unruly children killed?

      September 22, 2011 at 11:56 am |
    • Mathilda

      The Bible-reading Christians alone freed slaves and gave women equality, no others. Inter-racial marriage was not forbidden except in case it causes immorality for Israelites.

      September 22, 2011 at 11:58 am |
    • Observer

      Mathilda,

      The Bible supports slavery, the inferiority of women, discrimination against the handicapped, and (even though the Bible forbids it), incest was used TWICE to populate the earth.

      Now talk about immorality.

      September 22, 2011 at 12:03 pm |
    • Mathilda

      @Ob, you are wrong. Biblical slavery was better than the employment system today, women were given equality and proper roles unlike other nations, the laws regarding invalids reminded us no one has right to go before God but they were to be respected and protected, incest was condemned( the practice of incest was one of the many reasons Canaanites were destroyed).

      September 22, 2011 at 12:16 pm |
    • MarkinFL

      I still not clear on this one. Just who did Eve's son's have s.ex with?

      September 22, 2011 at 12:20 pm |
    • Observer

      Mathilda
      "Biblical slavery was better than the employment system today, women were given equality and proper roles unlike other nations, the laws regarding invalids reminded us no one has right to go before God but they were to be respected and protected, incest was condemned"

      Wow! Have you read the Bible at all? The Bible says it's fine to beat slaves, just don't kill them. Women were NOT given equality and were told they were NOT allowed to teach men. The Bible says God doesn't want handicapped people in his church. God used INCEST TWICE to populate the earth: "do as I say, not as I do"

      Do you actually read the Bible at all?

      September 22, 2011 at 12:23 pm |
    • Mathilda

      Markin, what happens if you go to a planet with your wife only to live there and had sons and daughters there? How will your children find marriage partners? It was okay for the first-born generation. From the second, they had cousins.

      September 22, 2011 at 12:25 pm |
    • Observer

      MarkinFL,

      It may be okay. The Bible says there was some parallel civilization to the Garden of Eden. It was called Nod and that's where Cain went and married. My guess is that it was started by someone named Steve since Christians often mention Adam and Steve when trashing gays.

      September 22, 2011 at 12:29 pm |
    • Mathilda

      @Ob-, but Hebrews were to treat their slaves like family members and never to suck up blood like the American company men do. Why should women teach men unless men are stupid? God loves invalids and welcomes them into His Church and He punished those who disrespected them. For the incest-matters – you take it all wrong.

      September 22, 2011 at 12:30 pm |
    • Chuckles

      Mathilda

      If Mark did that, and for some reason was the only person to repopulate a planet, even if their children had children, they would become steril in a generation of two and they would die. Incest does crazy things with genetics,

      September 22, 2011 at 12:31 pm |
    • MarkinFL

      If I should find myself marooned alone with my wife, I would not choose to have children. If I did have children I would do all in my power(short of killing them) to keep them from having children. Inbreeding is a zero sum game and would just lead to a bunch of gibbering idiots eventually.

      Obviously Adam, Eve and Noah were into family togetherness in ways we modern folk would find... distasteful?

      September 22, 2011 at 12:34 pm |
    • Mathilda

      Chuck, it was a different planet then and slightly different DNA possibly.

      September 22, 2011 at 12:35 pm |
    • Observer

      – Exodus 21:20-21 “If a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod and he dies at his hand, he shall be
      punished. If, however, he survives a day or two, no vengeance shall be taken; for he is his property”

      – I Corinthians 14:34-35 “As in all the churches of the saints, the women should keep silence in the churches. For
      they are not permitted to speak, but should be subordinate, as even the law says. If there is anything they
      desire to know, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church.”

      – Leviticus 21:16-23 “Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, "Speak to Aaron, saying, 'No man of your offspring
      throughout their generations who has a defect shall approach to offer the food of his God. For no one who has a
      defect shall approach: a blind man, or a lame man, or he who has a disfigured face, or any deformed limb, or a
      man who has a broken foot or broken hand, or a hunchback or a dwarf, or one who has a defect in his eye or
      eczema or scabs or crushed testicles."

      September 22, 2011 at 12:35 pm |
    • Mathilda

      Anyway, my mother was my father's sister. What's wrong with that?

      September 22, 2011 at 12:35 pm |
    • Mathilda

      Mathilda right above is a fake.

      September 22, 2011 at 12:37 pm |
    • Chuckles

      Sorry Matilda

      When you go to another planet, it doesn't change your DNA and if they were different with DNA that could for some reason propegate a species based on incest (although I don't understand how that would help with survival, but I guess possible) it makes the question moot because we're on this planet and we have our DNA, which does not allow incest to happen.

      September 22, 2011 at 12:40 pm |
    • @Observer

      #1 – differentiate man-slaughter and homicide in treating crimes. #2 – proper conduct at church. It's practically good if women shut up. #3 – There are a lot of others who were not allowed to approach God. This command protected Israel from having the detestable system of eunuchs. Israel is the best.

      September 22, 2011 at 12:42 pm |
    • @Chuck

      Read Genesis 6. God changed something in us.

      September 22, 2011 at 12:43 pm |
    • MarkinFL

      Just remember the 11th commandment:

      Incest is best. Family IS family.

      September 22, 2011 at 12:45 pm |
    • @Markin

      There are over 600 commands in OT Bible. Incest is forbidden. It was allowed only for Adam's first born-generation alone. Americans, please stop being sicker.

      September 22, 2011 at 12:49 pm |
    • Chuckles

      Mathilda,

      I honestly don't get it, you're saying it was totally cool for inc.est to happen, but atheists are the sick ones? Also for the first generation they would all still have children that are having se.x with their cousins/neices and nephews etc.... it would all just be a wild ince.st or.gy, also riddle me this, so Adam and Eves children were allowed to have inc.estual se.x to get the party started so to speak? I guess you could call cain and abel's fight a lovers quarrel then?

      September 22, 2011 at 12:52 pm |
    • @Chuck

      No. Adam's sons married their sisters, one man for one woman each. But as the family grew, it was no longer necessary and later the brother-sister marriage was forbidden. Cain killed Abel for jealousy over God's acknowledgment. There was not a woman issue mentioned. I was concerned USA may justify incest because secularists are all perverts who know no moral standards.

      September 22, 2011 at 12:58 pm |
    • MarkinFL

      I guess the first-cousin thing is STILL OK since it is practiced so widely in the Bible-belt...

      September 22, 2011 at 1:01 pm |
    • Chuckles

      Again! You condone incest as if it makes complete sense and then call secular people peverts. Face it, in this area the atheists have the clear moral highground of always rejecting incest and never EVER thinking it's good, we know that in no way could it even produce viable offspring, let alone populate an entire planet, especially considering the diverse genetics that are around today. If everyone came from adam and eve, why are there white people, asians, black people, latinos? That doesn't happen when you begin an entire species with just two people.

      Furthermore, can you please tell me who cain and abels sisters were, I can't seem to find them mentioned anywhere, could you also explain how if adam and eve were the only humans and only people who populated the planet, then how could cain walk around forever bumping into people FAR AWAY and be recognized for the mark he possessed?

      You do see the crazy contradiction here right?

      September 22, 2011 at 1:03 pm |
    • MarkinFL

      One thing you can believe in for certain in this world is that people like Mathilda will NEVER see a contradiction in the bible.

      September 22, 2011 at 1:08 pm |
    • Observer

      @Chuck,
      "I was concerned USA may justify incest because secularists are all perverts who know no moral standards."

      No need to worry. Incest was God's choice but it won't be legal here. Those "perverts" were Adam and Eve and their children. God's chosen way to "be fruitful and multiply" worked so well that God used it a SECOND TIME.

      September 22, 2011 at 1:50 pm |
  20. Mathilda

    Oh no, not again. This is the reason God did not spare Moses' handwritten scrolls or the Ark of the Covenant or Jesus' clothing. People should read and study the NKJV Bible to live the God-intended life and not just possess it or adore it.

    September 22, 2011 at 10:40 am |
    • Observer

      "God did not spare Moses' handwritten scrolls"

      Far worse: Moses did not spare God's handwritten scrolls (the orginal Ten Commandments) and destroyed them in a hissy fit.

      September 22, 2011 at 11:17 am |
    • MarkinFL

      a. read and study the NKJV Bible to live the God-intended life and not just
      b. possess it or
      c. adore it."
      d. None of the above.

      "d." it is.

      September 22, 2011 at 11:35 am |
    • Mathilda

      @Observer: The 10 Commandments were written on stone tablets, not on papers. Moses had to destroy them because Israelites sinned. He was given them again by God. In any case, the ancient Israel kept breaking the covenant just like today's Americans go against God.

      September 22, 2011 at 11:37 am |
    • Observer

      Mathilda,

      Moses slapped God in the face by destroying the ONLY physical writing from God according to the Bible. So much for respect for something presented to him directly by God.

      September 22, 2011 at 11:52 am |
    • Mathilda

      No, God was not concerned about it. Not at all. Read the text in Exodus.

      September 22, 2011 at 12:00 pm |
    • Observer

      Mathilda,

      Rationalize all you want. We both know that if you made an effort to create something for me and I intentionally destroyed it, you'd be a little ticked off. Pretend whatever you want.

      September 22, 2011 at 12:05 pm |
    • Mathilda

      @Ob, God would have destroyed the tablets if Moses didn't. Both were appalled at the sins of Israel, no time to consider other matters.

      September 22, 2011 at 12:11 pm |
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