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Apollo 14 astronaut Edgar Mitchell (left) shakes hands with the Rev. John Stott, NASA’s then-chaplain.
September 22nd, 2011
10:34 AM ET

Moon Bible goes on sale in auction

By Richard Allen Greene, CNN

(CNN) - A rare Bible that's been to the moon and back will have a new owner Thursday night - the complete King James version, framed in gold leaf, is under the hammer at an auction house in New Hampshire.

But whoever takes it home won't be able to leaf through it. It's a piece of microfilm, with the text of 1,245 pages shrunken down to the size of a postage stamp.

"It's the whole King James (Bible) on there. It's really cool," says Bobby Livingston, vice president of sales and marketing at RR Auction, which is handling the sale.

The Bible was taken into space three times before it reached the lunar surface, he said - first on Apollo 12, when it was stored in the wrong part of the spaceship and orbited the moon, but didn't land on it, then on the ill-fated Apollo 13, which had an explosion on board that forced it to turn back, and finally on Apollo 14.

Lunar module pilot Edgar Mitchell brought 100 microfilmed copies of the Bible to the surface of the moon on February 5, 1971, Livingston said.

"Most of them were given away when they came back, or were cut into pieces as presentation pieces for dignitaries from the U.S. and from other states," Livingston explained. At least a dozen complete versions still exist.

Bringing a Bible to the moon had been a dream of a group of committed believers in the space program since the beginning of the Apollo mission efforts to reach the moon, said Carol Mersch, author of "The Apostles of Apollo."

"Through the centuries, explorers have carried the Bible across countries to far off lands, pushing the boundaries of exploration. It was not unnatural then that NASA chaplain John Stout and a group called The Apollo Prayer League would undertake a quest to see it carried to another celestial body," she said.

Apollo 1 astronaut Ed White wanted to bring the first Bible to the moon, but died in a fire on the launch pad, Mersch said.

"After his death, fellow astronauts and The Apollo Prayer League took up White's quest, so that, as Apollo 15 astronaut Jim Irwin said, 'those who came after would know that we came from a world of believers,'" Mersch told CNN.

The moon Bible now under the hammer went from Mitchell, the astronaut, to a "well-known space collector from Texas," Livingston said.

He expects it to go for about $50,000 by the time the auction closes at 7 p.m. ET Thursday.

At least one top Bible-collecting expert said he wasn't interested at that price.

Scott Carroll, the director of the Green Collection, one of the world's largest collections of ancient texts, called the moon Bible an "oddity."

"You could pick up a 13th-century Bible for that (price), so it's a tough call," he said.

It wouldn't make a good piece for museum display, he said, because it's so small.

"You gaze into it and say 'wow,' but you can't see anything," he said.

But there will be some people who want to buy it, either as an investment or out of personal interest, Carroll said.

"Of course people who may be people of faith that are interested in astronomy, in aerospace exploration, it would be of great interest," he said.

Several of the Apollo astronauts were just such men, RR Auction's Livingston said.

"What's really interesting about Mitchell is he said he had an epiphany looking out the window" of Apollo 14, Livingston said. "It's not just the death-defying part of it. They talk of the spirituality of the moment of being on the moon, the moment of standing on another planetary body."

Apollo 17 commander Gene Cernan, one of the last men to walk on the moon, put it starkly, Livingston said.

"He said to me, 'Bobby, I know infinity exists,'" Livingston recalls. The auctioneer asked how Cernan knew, and got a simple answer: "I've seen it."

- Newsdesk editor, The CNN Wire

Filed under: Bible • Science

soundoff (654 Responses)
  1. stevie68a

    If you "be lie ve" in the buybull, you have been had. They should have left it on the moon. What cannot be explained about this
    life, cannot be explained. Just because a bunch of shepherds and con men wrote a book doesn't make it true. If there is some
    wisdom in that book, it is human wisdom. So, you brainwashed people, don't listen to me, listen to your "profits". Take your pick,
    mohammed, jesus, mithra, zeus, isis, santa, or any of the thousands of gods throughout history. Religion is a mass delusion.

    September 26, 2011 at 9:29 am |
  2. Roy C Klopfenstein

    Add more than One hundred million (mostly girls) infants and preborn murdered in the twentieth and twentyfirst centuries in the name of expediency.

    September 25, 2011 at 5:54 pm |
    • Observer

      Yep. 7 BILLION people survived.

      September 25, 2011 at 8:23 pm |
  3. herbert juarez

    No matter where man can go,God is there,depths of the earth , bottom of the sea or to the moon.Not only is God there but He has always been there and left us the signs of His being.God bless

    September 24, 2011 at 7:48 pm |
    • Scott

      Where? What signs? I’ve been looking for solid evidence of god all of my life and so far all I’ve found are fake miracles, fraudulent priests, deception and dogma. So if you’ve got some real, testable, verifiable evidence PLEASE present it

      September 24, 2011 at 10:56 pm |
    • herbert juarez

      All creation declares Gods presence! Look with love.God bless

      September 25, 2011 at 6:05 am |
    • Scott

      @Herbert: Nope general references to the world don’t do it. I look around and I see the results of explainable physical processes that require nothing supernatural to explain their existence. In all my searching I have found no solid evidence of god. Mind you I’m not asking for proof, a little real evidence is all it would take to completely revise my opinion of the supernatural but so far have seen nothing that would stand up in court.

      September 25, 2011 at 6:12 pm |
  4. SilverTrail

    Americans need be humble before the Creator God if they want to reach the stars. Americans can't even go to the moon again because they have become immoral.

    September 24, 2011 at 2:33 am |
    • Reality

      And Silver Trail, the redneck lady of many names, continues with her inanity !!!

      September 24, 2011 at 11:07 am |
    • Observer

      So America wasn't immoral when we allowed slavery? America wasn't immoral when we allowed children to be exploited before child welfare laws existed? America wasn't immoral when we had the greatest number of casualties in any war as Christians killed Christians in the Civil War?

      Pretending America just had immorality since the space age is just another indication that some people know history only from a 2,000-year-old book.

      .

      September 24, 2011 at 11:22 am |
    • Reality

      The Twenty (or so) Worst Things People Have Done to Each Other:
      http://necrometrics.com/warstatz.htm#u (required reading)

      The Muslim Conquest of India

      "The likely death toll is somewhere between 2 million and 80 million. The geometric mean of those two limits is 12.7 million. "

      Rank …..Death Toll ..Cause …..Centuries……..Religions/Groups involved*

      1. 63 million Second World War 20C (Christians et al and Communists/atheists vs. Christians et al, Nazi-Pagan and "Shintoists")

      2. 40 million Mao Zedong (mostly famine) 20C (Communism)

      3. 40 million Genghis Khan 13C (Shamanism or Tengriism)

      4. 27 million British India (mostly famine) 19C (Anglican)

      5. 25 million Fall of the Ming Dynasty 17C (Buddhism, Taoism, Confucianism, Chinese folk religion)

      6. 20 million Taiping Rebellion 19C ( Confucianism, Buddhism and Chinese folk religion vs. a form of Christianity)

      7. 20 million Joseph Stalin 20C (Communism)

      8. 19 million Mideast Slave Trade 7C-19C (Islam)

      9. 17 million Timur Lenk 14C-15C

      10. 16 million Atlantic Slave Trade 15C-19C (Christianity)

      11. 15 million First World War 20C (Christians vs. Christians)

      12. 15 million Conquest of the Americas 15C-19C (Christians vs. Pagans)

      13. 13 million Muslim Conquest of India 11C-18C

      14. 10 million An Lushan Revolt 8C

      15. 10 million Xin Dynasty 1C

      16. 9 million Russian Civil War 20C (Christians vs Communists)

      17. 8 million Fall of Rome 5C (Pagans vs. Pagans)

      18. 8 million Congo Free State 19C-20C (Christians)

      19. 7½ million Thirty Years War 17C (Christians vs Christians)

      20. 7½ million Fall of the Yuan Dynasty 14C

      Our War on Terror and Aggression:

      An update (or how we are spending or how we have spent the USA taxpayers’ money to eliminate global terror and aggression)

      The terror and aggression via a Partial and Recent Body Count

      And the koranic/mosque driven acts of terror and horror continue:

      The Muslim Conquest of India – 11th to 18th century

      ■"The likely death toll is somewhere between 2 million and 80 million. The geometric mean of those two limits is 12.7 million. "

      and the 19 million killed in the Mideast Slave Trade 7C-19C by Muslims.

      and more recently

      1a) 179 killed in Mumbai/Bombay, 290 injured

      1b) Assassination of Benazir Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh

      2) 9/11, 3000 mostly US citizens, 1000’s injured

      3) The 24/7 Sunni-Shiite centuries-old blood feud currently being carried out in Iraq, US troops killed in action, 3,480 and 928 in non combat roles. 102,522 – 112,049 Iraqi civilians killed as of 9/16/2011/, mostly due to suicide bombers, land mines and bombs of various types, http://www.iraqbodycount.org/ and http://www.defenselink.mil/news/casualty.pdf

      4) Kenya- In Nairobi, about 212 people were killed and an estimated 4000 injured; in Dar es Salaam, the attack killed at least 11 and wounded 85.[2]

      5) Bali-in 2002-killing 202 people, 164 of whom were foreign nationals, and 38 Indonesian citizens. A further 209 people were injured.

      6) Bali in 2005- Twenty people were killed, and 129 people were injured by three bombers who killed themselves in the attacks.

      7) Spain in 2004- killing 191 people and wounding 2,050.

      8. UK in 2005- The bombings killed 52 commuters and the four radical Islamic suicide bombers, injured 700.

      9) The execution of an eloping couple in Afghanistan on 04/15/2009 by the Taliban.

      10) – Afghanistan: US troops 1,385 killed in action, 273 killed in non-combat situations as of 09/15/2011. Over 40,000 Afghan civilians killed due to the dark-age, koranic-driven Taliban acts of horror

      11) The killing of 13 citizen soldiers at Ft. Hood by a follower of the koran.

      12) 38 Russian citizens killed on March 29, 2010 by Muslim women suicide bombers.

      13) The May 28, 2010 attack on a Islamic religious minority in Pakistan, which have left 98 dead,

      14) Lockerbie is known internationally as the site where, on 21 December 1988, the wreckage of Pan Am Flight 103 crashed as a result of a terrorist bomb. In the United Kingdom the event is referred to as the Lockerbie disaster, the Lockerbie bombing, or simply Lockerbie. Eleven townspeople were killed in Sherwood Crescent, where the plane's wings and fuel tanks plummeted in a fiery explosion, destroying several houses and leaving a huge crater, with debris causing damage to a number of buildings nearby. The 270 fatalities (259 on the plane, 11 in Lockerbie) were citizens of 21 nations.

      15 The daily suicide and/or roadside and/or mosque bombings in the terror world of Islam.

      16) Bombs sent from Yemen by followers of the koran which fortunately were discovered before the bombs were detonated.

      17) The killing of 58 Christians in a Catholic church in one of the latest acts of horror and terror in Iraq.

      18) Moscow airport suicide bombing: 35 dead, 130 injured. January 25, 2011.

      19) A Pakistani minister, who had said he was getting death threats because of his stance against the country's controversial blasphemy law, was shot and killed Wednesday, 3/2/2011

      20) two American troops killed in Germany by a recently radicalized Muslim, 3/3/2011

      21) the kidnapping and apparent killing of a follower of Zoraster in the dark world of Islamic Pakistan.

      22) Shariatpur, Bangladesh (CNN 3/30/2011) - Hena Akhter's last words to her mother proclaimed her innocence. But it was too late to save the 14-year-old girl. Her fellow villagers in Bangladesh's Shariatpur district had already passed harsh judgment on her. Guilty, they said, of having an affair with a married man. The imam from the local mosque ordered the fatwa, or religious ruling, and the punishment: 101 lashes delivered swiftly, deliberately in public. Hena dropped after 70 and died a week later.

      Continued below:
      Other elements of our War on Terror and Aggression:

      -Operation Iraqi Freedom- The 24/7 Sunni-Shiite centuries-old blood feud currently being carried out in Iraq, US Troops killed in action, 3,480 and 928 in non combat roles as of 09/15/2011/, 102,522 – 112,049 Iraqi civilians killed as of 9/16/2011/, mostly due to suicide bombers, land mines and bombs of various types, http://www.iraqbodycount.org/ and http://www.defenselink.mil/news/casualty.pdf

      – Operation Enduring Freedom in Afghanistan: US troops 1,385 killed in action, 273 killed in non-combat situations as of 09/15/2011. Over 40,000 Afghan civilians killed mostly due to the dark-age, koranic-driven Taliban acts of horror,

      – Sa-dd-am, his sons and major he-nchmen have been deleted. Sa-dd-am's bravado about WMD was one of his major mistakes. Kuwait was saved.

      – Iran is being been contained. (beside containing the Sunni-Shiite civil war in Baghdad, that is the main reason we are in Iraq. And yes, essential oil continues to flow from the region.)

      – North Korea is still u-ncivil but is contained.

      – Northern Ireland is finally at peace.

      – The Jews and Palestinians are being separated by walls. Hopefully the walls will follow the 1948 UN accords. Unfortunately the Annapolis Peace Conference was not successful. And unfortunately the recent events in Gaza has put this situation back to “squ-are one”. And this significant stupidity is driven by the mythical foundations of both religions!!!

      – – Fa-na–tical Islam has basically been contained to the Middle East but a wall between India and Pakistan would be a plus for world peace. Ditto for a wall between Afghanistan and Pakistan.

      – Timothy McVeigh was exe-cuted. Terry Nichols escaped the death penalty twice because of deadlocked juries. He was sentenced to 161 consecutive life terms without the possibility of parole,[3][7] and is incarcerated in ADX Florence, a super maximum security prison near Florence, Colorado. He shares a cellblock that is commonly referred to as "Bombers Row" with Ramzi Yousef and Ted Kaczynski

      – Eric Ru-dolph is spending three life terms in pri-son with no par-ole.

      – Jim Jones, David Koresh, Kaczynski, the "nuns" from Rwanda, and the KKK were all dealt with and either eliminated themselves or are being punished.

      – Islamic Sudan, Dar-fur and So-malia are still terror hot spots.
      – The terror and tor-ture of Muslims in Bosnia, Kosovo and Kuwait were ended by the proper application of the military forces of the USA and her freedom-loving friends. Ra-dovan Karadzic was finally captured on 7/23/08 and is charged with genocide, crimes against humanity and violations of the law of war – charges related to the 1992-1995 civil war that followed Bosnia-Herzegovina's secession from Yugoslavia.

      The capture of Ratko Mladić: (Serbian Cyrillic: Ратко Младић, pronounced [râtkɔ mlǎːditɕ], born 12 March 1943[1][2]) is an accused war criminal and a former Bosnian Serb military leader. On May 31, 2011, Mladić was extradited to The Hague, where he was processed at the detention center that holds suspects for the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY).[3] His trial began on 3 June 2011.

      – the bloody terror brought about by the Ja-panese, Na-zis and Co-mmunists was with great difficulty eliminated by the good guys.

      – Bin Laden was executed for crimes against humanity on May 1, 2011

      September 24, 2011 at 2:52 pm |
    • .........

      spam alert hit report abuse on all reality garbage posts do not read

      September 24, 2011 at 5:28 pm |
    • Scott

      Hey Silver tail, they say the next tourists to the moon will be the Chinese. Does this mean they are more Christian than America?

      September 24, 2011 at 11:01 pm |
    • ttwp

      As the years pass America has become more and more immoral....not less.

      September 25, 2011 at 4:58 pm |
  5. Facts Reveal

    @Truth Prevails you said:

    "As a rule we try not to be hateful or to ridicule anyone but when you make false claims, you deserve ridicule." and,

    "Children believe in fairy tales"

    Maybe for you, we are like what you said in the second quote but the fact is, we are only BELIEVING that there is God. But you, (atheists) have been the one making it look like we are CLAIMING to justify your arrogance and ridicule towards us.

    Also, you said:

    "We are not the ones claiming there is a god or a jesus."

    Exactly, but...obviously, you (atheists) have been claiming that there isn't.

    Want proof/evidence? Do yourself a favor, scan and read all the posts on this board and if you wish all the articles on this blog and go back to me if you have the skin to convince yourself that you've found otherwise.

    September 23, 2011 at 8:15 pm |
  6. No apologies

    "You gaze into it and say 'wow,' but you can't see anything" - Don't people say that about the Bible anyway?

    September 23, 2011 at 11:27 am |
  7. SilverTrail

    People should read the Bible actually, not treat it like a jewelry articles. The content is the gem. Mockers, the lazy and the incompetent never get it.

    September 23, 2011 at 2:39 am |
    • Observer

      Anyone not noticing the errors, contradictions, hypocrisy and nonsense that goes along with the morality, just have their heads in the sand.

      September 23, 2011 at 2:45 am |
    • SilverTrail

      Observer, you are too immoral to make any sane judgment. Besides, you did not read anything other than the anti-God junk novels.

      September 23, 2011 at 2:51 am |
    • Observer

      SilverTrail,

      I don't need someone of your mentality pretending that I am immoral. I am sure that I have what most people would consider to be good morals and without needing bribes (heaven) or threats (hell).

      You really are clueless about me.

      September 23, 2011 at 2:56 am |
    • Adelina

      You could have left out "about me" and been more accurate.

      September 23, 2011 at 2:58 am |
    • SilverTrail

      Observer, your comments proved how ungodly and sinful you are practically. And God knows you. Stop pretending and repent. Your support of infanticide and perversion alone deserves hell.

      September 23, 2011 at 4:24 am |
    • Observer

      SilverTrail,

      1 Corinthians 4:5 “Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes."

      John 8:7 “He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone"

      Luke 6:37 “Judge not, and you shall not be judged. Condemn not, and you shall not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.”

      Your comments show a complete lack of understanding of the Bible and incredible HYPOCRISY.

      September 23, 2011 at 11:06 am |
    • Wow

      "Observer, you are too immoral to make any sane judgment."

      Wow your arrogance is appalling, you are the one who is not sane because you belong to a cult.

      September 23, 2011 at 11:09 am |
    • SilverTrail

      @Observer: I have forgiven atheists long time ago. Those Bible verses do not apply to atheists.

      September 24, 2011 at 2:35 am |
    • Observer

      SilverTrail,

      That's okay. I knew you wouldn't have an answer.

      The Bible verses relate to YOU, who hypocritically ignors them. YOU are the one that pretends to follow what the Bible says.

      September 24, 2011 at 11:10 am |
    • Scott

      Hey Silver tail:
      Reading the bible sure changed me. I didn’t really become an atheist until after I started reading the bible. I didn’t get very far. Man there is nasty stuff in those first 5 books. Evil, war, genocide, fratricide, ince$t, adultery, patricide, r_ape, child mole$tation and slaughter of the entire population of entire cities (every man, woman, child and even animal) in city after city … and that was the good guys, with god’s blessing.

      September 24, 2011 at 11:14 pm |
  8. facepalm

    It's outrageous! Why not Origin of Species or Richard Dawkins book? Why bible? I thought Scientists are atheists. Ah, ok that was all nothing but a claim.

    September 23, 2011 at 12:03 am |
    • Real Deal

      facepalm:

      No evidence that it was any scientist's idea... from the article: "NASA chaplain John Stout and a group called The Apollo Prayer League would undertake a quest to see it carried to another celestial body". Back in those early days astronauts were pilots and perhaps aeronautical engineers, not the variety of scientists that we have today.

      September 23, 2011 at 1:08 am |
  9. Reality

    From p. 1:

    For the next trip to the Moon and back:

    1. origin: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20E1EFE35540C7A8CDDAA0894DA404482

    “New Torah For Modern Minds

    Abraham, the Jewish patriarch, probably never existed. Nor did Moses. The entire Exodus story as recounted in the Bible probably never occurred. The same is true of the tumbling of the walls of Jericho. And David, far from being the fearless king who built Jerusalem into a mighty capital, was more likely a provincial leader whose reputation was later magnified to provide a rallying point for a fledgling nation.

    2. Jesus was an illiterate Jewish peasant/carpenter/simple preacher man who suffered from hallucinations (or “mythicizing” from P, M, M, L and J) and who has been characterized anywhere from the Messiah from Nazareth to a mythical character from mythical Nazareth to a ma-mzer from Nazareth (Professor Bruce Chilton, in his book Rabbi Jesus). An-alyses of Jesus’ life by many contemporary NT scholars (e.g. Professors Ludemann, Crossan, Borg and Fredriksen, ) via the NT and related doc-uments have concluded that only about 30% of Jesus' sayings and ways noted in the NT were authentic. The rest being embellishments (e.g. miracles)/hallucinations made/had by the NT authors to impress various Christian, Jewish and Pagan sects.

    The 30% of the NT that is "authentic Jesus" like everything in life was borrowed/plagiarized and/or improved from those who came before. In Jesus' case, it was the ways and sayings of the Babylonians, Greeks, Persians, Egyptians, Hitt-ites, Canaanites, OT, John the Baptizer and possibly the ways and sayings of traveling Greek Cynics.

    earlychristianwritings.com/theories.html

    For added "pizzazz", Catholic theologians divided god the singularity into three persons and invented atonement as an added guilt trip for the "pew people" to go along with this trinity of overseers. By doing so, they made god the padre into god the "filicider".

    Current RCC problems:

    Pedophiliac priests, an all-male, mostly white hierarchy, atonement theology and original sin!!!!

    3., Luther, Calvin, Joe Smith, Henry VIII, Wesley, Roger Williams, the Great “Babs” et al, founders of Christian-based religions or combination religions also suffered from the belief in/hallucinations of "pretty wingie thingie" visits and "prophecies" for profits analogous to the myths of Catholicism (resurrections, apparitions, ascensions and immacu-late co-nceptions).

    Current problems:
    Adulterous preachers, pedophiliac clerics, "propheteering/ profiteering" evangelicals and atonement theology
    =========================================================================================

    September 22, 2011 at 11:31 pm |
    • Billygee

      Dude, stop it already. Anyone who takes the old or new testaments seriously, or (shudder) literally, is beyond being able to reason with. That said let's not throw the (immaculately conceived) baby out with the bath water. There is some wisdom contained within – but one needs to be selective unless you are just looking for a flock to belong to – regardless of the how good, bad or otherwise the shepherd is...

      September 23, 2011 at 12:07 am |
    • Dhard Truth

      @Billy

      If only you've had the common-sense to comprehend what reall the bible is, you would never use its flaws against God. You haven't become an atheist then.

      September 23, 2011 at 12:32 am |
    • Sausalito Sam

      Now you've done it!
      He'll be back to post more.
      I say this once as you seem to be new to the internet:

      Don't feed the trolls.

      September 23, 2011 at 12:53 am |
    • herbert juarez

      spam alert do not read reality posts hit report abuse

      September 23, 2011 at 4:50 am |
    • Ooze

      herbert juarez,

      BUSTED!!! As if we didn't know... slime ball.

      September 23, 2011 at 5:02 am |
    • Free

      Billygee
      I don't think that Reality is really trying to reason with them, but just getting them to expose their faulty thinking in their responses is enlightening, don't you think? That's why I cannot understand the need to call these people names when just reading their posts makes actually labeling them completely redundant.

      September 23, 2011 at 12:35 pm |
    • Real Deal

      Free,

      You are the epitome of patience and wisdom. Live long!

      September 23, 2011 at 12:46 pm |
    • .........

      spam alert do not read hit report abuse on all reality postings

      September 23, 2011 at 4:20 pm |
    • TruthPrevails

      ok Herbert...doing exactly that...every time you stupidly call Reality's posts spam, you get reported...it goes both ways! It is not Reality's fault if you're too blind to read the truth!

      September 23, 2011 at 4:26 pm |
  10. UnEvolveDNA

    @evolved

    That's pretty lame...C'mon dude, you're better than that.

    September 22, 2011 at 11:30 pm |
  11. The black list

    "there is no such thing as salvation

    there is only this life

    instead of wasting your life on trying to find salvation

    how about just working for a living like the rest of us"

    @brown note..

    Okay we got it but....would please stop shouting under our jaw and quit shoving it down under our throat?!

    September 22, 2011 at 11:20 pm |
    • THE BROWN NOTE

      im not shouting

      pipe it down honcho

      September 22, 2011 at 11:44 pm |
    • The black list

      Yes, you were. Kwanggol!

      September 22, 2011 at 11:51 pm |
    • THE BROWN NOTE

      is that supposed to be klingon

      im not a trekkie

      September 22, 2011 at 11:56 pm |
    • The black list

      No it was a kogmo not motha!

      September 23, 2011 at 12:05 am |
  12. Observer

    Cheroot,
    "The rule that no one enforces and is not followed would not work anyway for everyone. It fails and is only put forth as an easy fix that doesn't work."

    First of all, I didn't say just "The Golden Rule" but instead said "the principle of the Golden Rule". The principle existed long before the Bible so your continued emphasis on the name was worthless. I never said it was a "rule" or that everyone would EVER agree to it - that would NEVER happen for anything.

    Having a good goal to strive for and not everyone making it is still a lot better than not striving toward a good goal.

    September 22, 2011 at 11:16 pm |
  13. Bo

    @Observer(8 01 answer to my post) I agree with all the way. As you said, both believers and non-believers use the Bible as a club to beat someone over the head. It ends up nobody proves anything. I like to help people understand something, but sometiimes they just want to argue. Unfortunately too often I get sucked into it.

    September 22, 2011 at 10:32 pm |
  14. Awkward Situations

    I'm watching Ancient Aliens right now on the History Channel and laughing my ass off! It's especially funny when they bring in bible references. They don't know how shit got done or built so their default explanation is – aliens did it! Reminds me of the religious folks explanation for their ignorance – god done did it!

    September 22, 2011 at 9:50 pm |
    • THE BROWN NOTE

      aliens are a more logical explanation than any of the eurotrash in the bible

      September 22, 2011 at 10:07 pm |
    • *frank*

      A sinister alien shot me with his raygun and gave me rickets and an enlarged prostate 🙁

      September 22, 2011 at 10:15 pm |
    • Awkward Situations

      @THE BROWN NOTE: You're right, if I had to choose between aliens and the bible – hands down aliens!

      @evil demon rabbit: Bow-legged and can't take a proper piss? Cruel aliens. Strange setting to put on a raygun though. I would choose a different combo.

      September 22, 2011 at 10:36 pm |
    • *frank*

      Lol, I won't ask.

      September 22, 2011 at 11:08 pm |
    • *frank*

      And had my head stuck inside my colon.

      September 22, 2011 at 11:23 pm |
    • Sausalito Sam

      I can hear rickets chirping! It's a sign! A sign from The Ricket God!!! He wants us to get in tune with our bodies and chirp!
      And s.e.x! HE WANTS US ALL TO HAVE LOTS OF IT!
      GO, MY PEOPLE!
      TO THE ORGASM CHAMBERS!
      CHIRP WITH EACH OTHER!

      September 23, 2011 at 12:59 am |
  15. Free

    herbert juarez
    From our point of view the moon looks like a circle too, but are you saying that God doesn't know better about the Earth like we do the Moon?

    September 22, 2011 at 9:42 pm |
  16. Sue

    Funny that someone brought a bible to the moon. Did they expect that there would be doors to knock on up there?

    September 22, 2011 at 9:09 pm |
  17. Space Cat

    Halp! They set us bomb! We under attack! The Moon Bibles! They do nothing!!! Meeeeow!!!

    September 22, 2011 at 8:48 pm |
  18. Answer

    @perez

    "you seem to be so sure [of your god]. You actually seen [your god's lifeless body] on this planets. Give me the body as proof"

    insert laugh.. I corrected your 'You'. You tool.

    September 22, 2011 at 8:01 pm |
    • perez

      lifeless body?...God isnt mortal, he created humans who are mortal....how does that make sense?.....and jesus ressurected so how can i show you a body

      September 22, 2011 at 8:14 pm |
    • Observer

      Cannibal-like rites in church symbolically "eat his body" and "drink his blood". Yuck!

      September 22, 2011 at 8:20 pm |
    • Answer

      "and jesus ressurected so how can i show you a body"

      You see your words? Jesus resurrected? Isn't that nice that you could just throw it there – like that was a certain fact.
      So what do you need to do to prove that your statement is indeed fact Perez?

      Look at your sentence. I already know that your so far gone that you can never employ that single brain cell that is left in your head..

      Do give it a try though ... go on. Try and put all your faith on it.

      September 22, 2011 at 8:34 pm |
    • THE BROWN NOTE

      the resurrection myth is awfully convenient isnt it

      you dont have to provide proof because mythological unicorn man disappeared into the sky

      the bible is a bunch of eurotrash

      September 22, 2011 at 9:01 pm |
    • The black list

      "the resurrection myth is awfully convenient isnt it"

      YES, it's convenient and it's true.

      September 22, 2011 at 11:49 pm |
    • THE BROWN NOTE

      except for the true part

      September 22, 2011 at 11:57 pm |
    • The black list

      On the contrary, it's the key word.

      September 23, 2011 at 12:08 am |
    • Billygee

      The definition of 'faith' is choosing to believe something despite a lack of evidence, or even evidence to the contrary. You forget that if people have built their entire concept of mortality upon this myth, you are literally asking them to commit suicide to believe otherwise. Ain't gonna happen.

      September 23, 2011 at 12:11 am |
    • Beatle Jean

      @Billy

      That was a good one, sans the myth and suicide.

      September 23, 2011 at 12:27 am |
  19. Bo

    @Observer======= I don't doubt for moment that you read the Bible a lot, but what are you really searching for? It has been said that you can you can prove what ever you wish to prove from the Bible. Another wise person has said that God has left enough hooks for the unbeliever on which to hang his disbelifs. Another said, the Bible was not written for unbelievers, but believers. Why would you read a book on bonsi, if you are not interested in bonsi? Would you read it just to critize the author and say what was wrong with his/her methods. The Bible was written for those interested in threir salvation because that is where they will find it. If you are not looking for salvation–you won't find it, you will only find something to critize.

    September 22, 2011 at 7:49 pm |
    • Observer

      Bo,
      "It has been said that you can you can prove what ever you wish to prove from the Bible."

      I ageee completely. We can both pick and choose verses to support almost any point.
      I believe that everyone should be free to practice whatever religion they want in their homes and places of worship as long as they don't infringe on the rights of other people who are not hurting them. Unfortunately, what I often see is people using the Bible to deny others equal rights and condemn others while ignoring that they are just PICKING what they want. No one should use the Bible as an excuse to pick on others when they don't believe it all themselves.

      Why can't everyone agree on the principle of the Golden Rule?

      September 22, 2011 at 8:01 pm |
    • Answer

      The fact of the matter is that the Golden rule does not allow one to claim that he/she is better than someone else.
      Everyone wants to consider their own self or whatever they believe to be superior to someone else.

      It is why we have people in charge over others. It is why we have kings who stand on higher platforms .. sit on thrones. Elevated status, of rank, of seniority. Til everyone is equally dead then all shall be settled.

      September 22, 2011 at 8:06 pm |
    • THE BROWN NOTE

      the bible is for no one

      if a believer reads it and still believes then there is something mentally unstable about them because the bible proves itself wrong on a number of occasions

      the evidence that it is a myth is overwhelming

      children are able to get over the myth of santa claus

      why cant grown adults get over the myth of christianity

      there is no such thing as salvation

      there is only this life

      instead of wasting your life on trying to find salvation

      how about just working for a living like the rest of us

      September 22, 2011 at 9:04 pm |
    • Cheroot

      The golden rule is neither golden nor a rule. Thus it fails as a guide to moral behavior.
      It assumes that every person has a sense of empathy and sympathy, but, as history and science show us, many people do not.
      Their brains do not work at all well in terms of "seeing things from a different point of view."
      The rule that no one enforces and is not followed would not work anyway for everyone. It fails and is only put forth as an easy fix that doesn't work. Lazy thinking. Jesus was an idiot who didn't know squat. The proof is in his words.

      September 22, 2011 at 10:38 pm |
    • Free

      Remember that the Golden Rule only really works well in h0m0logous societies where everyone basically has the same wants and needs. It even works in cannibal, polygamous, and pedophile societies where these behaviors are understood as 'normal' and preferred but, needless to say, this rule would not go over very well with anyone who is not their close neighbor. Even within our own society there are people who are into some pretty weird stuff that you likely wouldn't want "done unto you", right?

      September 23, 2011 at 1:03 pm |
    • Observer

      Free,

      The principle of the Golden Rule is certainly not a cure-all. There are plenty of exceptions to every "rule". What matters more is not if it will TOTALLY succeed, but whether it would make things better. If you can supply one single better piece of advice to make the world a better place, please offer it.

      September 23, 2011 at 4:37 pm |
    • Concluder

      "If you can supply one single better piece of advice to make the world a better place, please offer it."

      @Observer

      Gather all non-believers in a certain place and drop a 3-ton hydrogen bomb on them. Simple as that.

      Definitely, this world will be a much better and safer place without them.

      September 25, 2011 at 5:15 am |
  20. perez

    Hundred billion stars, so your telln me YOU have seen life on other planets Observer....you seem to be so sure. Yoou actually seen life on another planets. Give me the name lol

    September 22, 2011 at 7:39 pm |
    • EvolvedDNA

      Perez... 2000 yrs and still no prophet ...and how do you define life?

      September 22, 2011 at 7:59 pm |
    • UnEvolveDNA

      @evolved

      That's pretty lame..C'mon dude, you're better than that.

      September 22, 2011 at 11:44 pm |
    • evolvedDNA

      unevolved./Perez.... in what way is it lame? Life may well exist on other planets... it may not, and most likely will not be, the same as us.

      September 23, 2011 at 12:25 pm |
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