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September 26th, 2011
04:41 PM ET

Google makes 5 Dead Sea Scrolls searchable

By Kevin Flower and Izzy Lemberg, CNN

Jerusalem (CNN) - In a perfect blending of 21st-century advances with the cutting-edge technology of an earlier age, starting this week internet users can, for the first time, use Google search and scanning technology to examine five manuscripts from the Dead Sea Scrolls.

Google and the Israel Museum unveiled the project Monday in Jerusalem with the launch of a museum website that allows users to interact with the ancient texts in a way impossible just a few years ago.

"You have the capability with high-resolution definition to look at the scrolls in a comfortable setting - to enlarge them, to magnify them, to translate them into English and to search for words, phrases or verses that you want to find on your own," said James Snyder, director of the Israel Museum. "It really allows for your own interactive research with the material."

Made up of 30,000 fragments from 900 manuscripts, the Dead Sea Scrolls are considered by many historians to be one of the most important archaeological finds ever made.

The ancient manuscripts, made of leather, papyrus and copper, were first discovered in 1947 by a nomadic shepherd in a cave near the Dead Sea. In the years that followed, more scroll fragments were located.

Dating back over 2,000 years, the scrolls reveal details about the development of Judaism during the Hellenistic period and shed light on the relationship between early Christian and Jewish religious traditions.

The Israel Museum is home to eight of the manuscripts that are considered to be among the most complete and best preserved. Snyder said the museum and Google began working on the project six months ago.

"It's becoming a much more simple process than it used to be," Snyder explained. "With camera technology today, to do this kind of high-resolution imagery is not that difficult."

The most important of the museum's manuscripts, known as the Great Isaiah Scroll, contains the oldest known written text of the Bible. On the new museum internet site users can search the scroll with keywords. Clicking on the Hebrew text pulls up English translations of every verse.

Snyder said he hopes putting the collection online will attract more visitors to the museum and make the concepts in important texts more accessible.

"It shortens the formidable distance between an individual out there in the world and an object of such unique significance," he said.

For Google it is not the company's first foray into bringing its technology to bear on historic artifacts. A year ago the company announced collaboration with the Israeli Antiquities Authority to scan and catalog its collection of thousands of Dead Sea Scroll fragments, and the company has worked with Israel's Holocaust Museum, Yad Vashem, to put its photo collection online.

Yossi Matias, Google's head of research and development in Israel, says projects like these are in keeping with the company's mission.

"Our bigger goal is to take all heritage cultural information and make it available online," he said. "We are connecting people worldwide to the scrolls. ... In a way, you get engagement between people (today) and the people who wrote these scrolls over 2,000 years ago."

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Bible • Israel • Technology

soundoff (446 Responses)
  1. gupsphoo

    The only thing that the Dead Sea Scrolls prove is that the current OT is accurate to its original text to a certain degree. It has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on whether Judaism or Christianity is true. It's funny how most Christians think these scrolls prove their religion true.

    September 26, 2011 at 11:27 pm |
    • Mary Hillsbrough

      You are incorrect but you can keep trying to spread your lies. We all know the truth. The truth is that Jesus is the way.

      September 27, 2011 at 12:12 am |
    • RightTurnClyde

      Jesus is the way (Amen to that). Those who choose the other path .. that's your business.

      September 27, 2011 at 1:33 am |
    • gupsphoo

      Sorry, delusional Jesus followers. Just because you say it's truth doesn't make it so. Try providing evidence next time.

      September 27, 2011 at 1:54 am |
    • Uncouth Swain

      @gups- a great deal of the scrolls have nothing to do with the Bible. I agree that as far as the OT texts are concerned...it shows that after the centuries they are quite accurate.

      September 27, 2011 at 9:41 am |
  2. RightTurnClyde

    B a c k . .t o . .t h e . .o r i g i n a l . .p a t h : . .E X T R E M E . .G R A T I T U D E . .t o . .e v e r y o n e . .( C N N , . .G o o g l e , . .I s r a e l , . l e a r n e d . .s c h o l a r s . .a n d . .l i b r a r i a n s , . .J e s u i t . .p r o f e s s o r s , . .b i b l e . .p r o f e s s o r s . .. . . . .t h a n k s . .t o . .e v e r y o n e . . f o r . .t h i s . .m a r v e l o u s . .g i f t . . . . .T h a t n k s . .f o r . .p u t t i n g . .i t . .o n . .t h e . .I n t e r n e t . .M o s t . .o f . .a l l . .I . .T H A N K . .Y O U . .L O R D . .G O D . .f o r . .m a k i n g . .i t . .a v a i l a b l e . .t o . .a l l . .o f . .u s . . . . .

    September 26, 2011 at 10:40 pm |
    • gupsphoo

      It's a good thing that you thank CNN, Google and the Internet. Those are all products of modern science, not your god.

      September 26, 2011 at 11:29 pm |
    • RightTurnClyde

      One thing is obvious: you are not a product of God. God don't make junk.

      September 27, 2011 at 1:31 am |
    • gupsphoo

      God made nothing. He couldn't. He never existed.

      September 27, 2011 at 1:56 am |
    • Uncouth Swain

      @gups- then prove that which you shadowly claim...that someone created the concept of God.

      September 27, 2011 at 7:56 am |
    • Anon

      A bunch of ancient and probably rich Israelites invented the Abrahamic religions.

      September 27, 2011 at 10:02 pm |
    • Uncouth Swain

      "A bunch of ancient and probably rich Israelites invented the Abrahamic religions."

      Ah..another factless opinion.

      September 28, 2011 at 1:45 pm |
    • Carlos

      What about Funniest Home Videos? We all have a good laugh at how stupid other pelpoe can be, but it is only a small step before it becomes Faces of Death . That is the nature of a successful moral panic, you're afraid to even breath lest some cry Ye be a Witch, Burn Ye

      October 10, 2012 at 1:14 am |
  3. RightTurnClyde

    @Answer "Well it's a nice play on words. It's a lazy quote for "you could never figure what is truth.." Pilate asked what is truth. He was a low ranking Procurator and yet he asked "what is truth?" We all have to ask "what is truth?" Plato had an allegory about a cave and he IS a well respected philosopher who said "You cannot know the truth." (your flesh and your mind keep you from knowing the truth." It is not a play on words. It is a conclusion expressed by many (including Plato)

    September 26, 2011 at 10:10 pm |
    • RightTurnClyde

      Isaiah is beautiful literature; read that quote I gave (how lovely on the mountains) .. it is almost poetry and beautiful thought. In a world of ugliness and misery it is so refreshing to read and savor beautiful thoughts. Kindness. Hope and possibility. Confidence and steadfast posture. So take Isaiah as only Isaiah .. just go with what he writes (like Shakespeare). Very easy to read and chapter upon chapter of wonderful thoughts. Maybe one of the most beautiful writers in the entire bible .. maybe John was (an beautiful mind as well). (I am not a fan or Paul ..but Matthew and Luke are beautiful writers .. and Solomon in Ecclesiates) .. it is easily as beautiful as many AMerican poets.

      September 26, 2011 at 10:20 pm |
    • Answer

      Poetry is just words. No matter how beautiful the words, they are never the less, still just words.

      Emotions linking to the said words are another matter. The beauty found in the lyrics of music are far better in my opinion than what you have suggested. So I'll decline your offer. Here listen to some melody tracks.. "Buono – Blue-Sky-Blue", or my personal favorite "Berryz Koubou – Seishun Oodori".

      September 26, 2011 at 10:37 pm |
    • RightTurnClyde

      My country 'tis of thee
      Sweet land of liberty,
      Of thee I sing;
      Land where my fathers died,
      Land of the Pilgrims' pride,
      From ev'ry mountainside
      Let freedom ring ...
      Our fathers' God to thee,
      Author of liberty,
      To thee we sing;
      Long may our land be bright,
      With freedom's holy light,
      Protect us by thy might,
      Great God, our King.

      September 26, 2011 at 10:45 pm |
    • Answer

      @RightTurn

      Nice piece however irrelevant.

      It is nice you want to think and believe that your nation is great. Those in other lands have their own opinion about their own and as well -critical views- about yours. Also your god. It is your version. Your god is king? Or just any god is king?
      You do know that everyone who wants to believe in god has made claims that it is their god right? Like this god belongs to us. Not anyone else. So you see you're still fighting for the control in words. Which means you suck – or your faith sucks.

      With freedom's holy light,
      Protect us by thy might,
      Great God, our King.

      – tsk tsk. god blows and does he ever give good head.

      September 26, 2011 at 11:09 pm |
    • Richard S Kaiser

      GOD’s Love

      We need to Love GOD because “We are”.
      We are living because of GOD.
      We are learning because of GOD.
      We are seeing our faults because of GOD.
      We are always repentant because of GOD.
      GOD’s Love allows us to be as “We are”.

      You ought Love GOD because “You are”.
      You are living because of GOD.
      You are learning because of GOD.
      You are seeing your faults because of GOD.
      You are ever repentant because of GOD.
      GOD’s Love allows you to be what “You are”.

      I Love GOD because “I am“.
      I am living because of GOD
      I am learning because of GOD
      I am seeing my faults because of GOD
      I am ever repentant because of GOD.
      GOD’s Love allows me to be what "I am".

      September 26, 2011 at 11:13 pm |
    • Drivel

      Drivel.

      September 26, 2011 at 11:20 pm |
    • Answer

      @Richard

      "I am a sinner who has reached the point of wanting Christ Jesus’ redemption and guarantee for a new life of living/dying and living/dying thru all Time for honoring Christ’s Word and to spread that which has come to me in light of my mind’s sakedness.”

      Remember. That is you. The person who has reached the point in his weakness that now pushes for god to confirm his faith. I'm sure you will try everyday and til the rest of your days to affirm your own strength.

      September 26, 2011 at 11:29 pm |
    • Awkward Situations

      I can imagine these guys singing these songs in strait jackets rocking back and forth.. My country tis of the...
      lol

      September 27, 2011 at 2:12 am |
  4. Answer

    So who wrote these scrolls? Of course – another man.

    A simple man who wanted to hide and preserve them, and wow look – they were found. Now does it tell you who the author was? No.

    Does it still reveal physical proof in these texts. Nope, it doesn't. The bible can validate the scrolls, and the scrolls can validate the bible. Funny how it's still the same cycle of just preserved stories.

    September 26, 2011 at 9:34 pm |
    • RightTurnClyde

      The truth of something is not always the apparent truth or the obvious truth .. in fact .. most of what you hear is propaganda.

      September 26, 2011 at 9:43 pm |
    • Answer

      I'll give you all a sample of the vast pool of knowledge that is out there to help you deal with corroborative proof.
      A fine example is a lunar eclipse. Now who hasn't seen one of these in their lifetime? In our modern day you probably all could have .. this I will presume. You could explain them too – nowadyas – because you are educated about them.

      Now take a look way back in our past. Our ancestors were idiots in comparison to us. Their methodology – were myths and wild ideas – no formal understanding of the natural world. The past was rich in mysticism. Tens of thousands of people could view such an event and all would be stunned. A few would make up stories and write them down and it begins a story of a mighty god pulling the beginning of the black disk of doom. They'd be total idiots to our understanding – the bible and the stories – are a direct evidence of our primitive culture. You want to spread god's word – give evidence that the nature of the events that have been written down in these scriptures with the physical proofs. It's that simple.

      September 26, 2011 at 9:52 pm |
    • Answer

      @RightTurn

      Well it's a nice play on words. It's a lazy quote for "you could never figure what is truth, even if you could you would not understand if it was the real truth. So it is better to not search for the real truth."

      You want to be lazy and you want others to be likewise. It makes you happy to be ignorant and to see others in the same boat as you. That is what religion is. A few of us are not satisfied to be just lazy as you are and give up finding out the real stories. We look around our world and speculate and work backwards to dig through the various methods we have at our disposal. You on the other hand have no clue as to where to begin. so a lovely line about your lazy version suits you. Not the others who are better than you. And we are.

      September 26, 2011 at 9:58 pm |
    • Answer

      @RightTurn

      Look at the natural world with it's full power of destruction. Nature! It's earthquakes, tsunamis, erupting volcanoes..etc.
      Our primitive ancestors were f-u-c-k-i-n-g idiots! They went and created myths out of nature for the events that they could not understand. They pinned down their existence to a deity to explain these simple marvels. You and the rest who follow the book are idiots to continue on believing these made up stories for what our ancestors did not understand.

      Following right along a long line of idiots. For that is what religious belief is.

      September 26, 2011 at 10:04 pm |
    • RightTurnClyde

      @answer I t . .i s . .a . .s h a m e . .t h a t . .y o u . .s e e . .t h i n g s . l i k e . .t h a t . . .O u r . .a n c e s t o r s . .w e r e . .n o t . .i d i o t s . . .M a n y . .o f . .t h e . .N . A m e r i c a n . .i n d i g e n o u s . .p e o p l e s . .( p o l i t i c a l l y . .c o r r e c t )
      w e r e . .s t o n e . .a g e . .p e o p l e . .a n d . .d i d . .n o t . .k n o w . .m u c h . .a b o u t . .t e c h n o l o g y . .o r . .p o e t r y . .o r . .t h e . .w o r l d . .. . . .b u t . .t h e y . .w e r e . .n o t . .i d i o t s T h e y . .w e r e . .i n . .h a r m o n y . .w i t h . .t h e . .w o r l d . . . . .T h e y . .d i d n t . .p o l l u t e . . . . .T h e y . .d i d . .n o t . .o w n . . . . .T h e y . .d i d . .n o t . .
      w a s t e . . . . .T h e y . .h a d . .r e s p e c t . .a n d . .r e c e i v e d . .r e s p e c t . . . . .T h e y . .h a d . .v i l l a g e s . .a n d . .f a m i l i e s . .a n d . .l o v e . .a n d . .a n g e r . .a n d . .c o m p e t i t i o n . .a n d . .r u l e s . . . . .
      H o w . .w o u l d . .t h a t . .m e a n . .t h e y . .a r e . .i d i o t s ? . . . .O u r . .a n c e s t o r s . .a r e . .n o t . .i d i o t s . . . . .W h a t . .t h e y . .b e l i e v e d . .i s . .n o t . .f o o l i s h . . . . .

      September 26, 2011 at 10:05 pm |
    • gupsphoo

      You ancestors might not be foolish for believing all sorts of absurd things because they lacked sufficient scientific knowledge to realize how absurd those things were. The same cannot be said about you.

      September 26, 2011 at 10:13 pm |
    • Answer

      @RightTurn

      You're a f-u-c-k-i-n-g idiot. I won't read your dotted crap. Either conform with standards and use proper sentences or just accept the label. F-u-c-k-i-n-g idiot.

      September 26, 2011 at 10:16 pm |
    • RightTurnClyde

      @gupsphoo modern scientists cannot figure out how to be at harmony with the planet. The indigenous WERE in harmony. But ecologists (scientists .. of a sort) cannot tell us how WE can live in harmony with nature. And it is getting worse. Were they absurd .. or are you absurd. Since you claim to know more than they did WHY do you refuse to do AS they did? You must be moron. @ Answer ... your first four words in that last post say it all (about you).

      September 26, 2011 at 10:32 pm |
    • Answer

      @RightTurn

      Well you see you went and conformed. A label that has effect that works. You didn't want that label right?
      The fact is the natives were simple people. The natural environment was/is an impediment to their numbers. Our modernized culture can grow and it does flourish with our further understanding of technology.

      Test this pattern in your head to see if I'm right or not. All cultures need resources. Water, food and shelter.
      Proper clean water – access whether from near or afar vs pumped and chlorinated , steady food supply – hand picked vs mass farmed. Medicine advancement to help in increasing fertility.

      Now for you claims of 'harmony' and why we (our modern society) can not (as they did), live in harmony.. consider these points. The primitives did not have mass transportation. We do. The food surplus (in some areas). The cleaner waters.
      How much of these basics do we allow our governments to decide for us? They can not – since humans want to have families. They in turn want the benefits of this current society. You then have to have heavy regulations – strict birth control, also then you have to have rules deciding who gets to eat! Along with the elderly – how old is old til we get rid of them. These are social matters. Up to debate. You want social answers. I suggest you go research instead of crying at science for solutions. Science can provide answers, but people have to act on the science that makes the use of technology available for us.

      To basically skip a long winded tear down: at what point did you think from the days of industrialization to the current 'now' were we ever of (critical mass) that we lost harmony?
      You can not pin point an exact point. Tell me your answer.
      I do think that however you may want to think harmony has existed, it never did.

      What I can see is that YOU are working on the assuming of wanting our society to change to your view. Sorry that isn't in your power. A lone person can affect his environment but you have to work in greater groups to change the greater that society is.

      September 26, 2011 at 11:00 pm |
    • Mary Hillsbrough

      GOD wrote those words through the hands of chosen men. Let me guess, you believe the Universe just popped out of nothing like popcorn, correct?

      September 27, 2011 at 12:14 am |
    • Really real, even more real really real reality

      Mary, when you decide to get an education, you will find the Book of K, one of the main editorial threads of the Old T was written/compiled by a woman.

      September 27, 2011 at 12:56 am |
    • Free

      Mary Hillsbrough
      Popcorn doesn't come from 'nothing.' It originates from a kernel being acted upon by a force, which is still pretty commonplace and natural. It's God who supposedly created the universe out of nothing, and yet you find this easier to swallow?

      September 28, 2011 at 5:15 pm |
    • Navneet

      I agree these cards need to be in the store you can't wait two weeks or even longer to send them they have to be ready today when you are mad but they are great I would buy one in the store for sure cool

      October 10, 2012 at 2:02 am |
  5. Kyle

    Just because it's searchable in Google doesn't make it true.

    September 26, 2011 at 9:16 pm |
    • Lycidas

      I don't think a single person has made a claim that being searchable in google makes anything true. But thanks for fighting an argument that no one made.

      September 26, 2011 at 9:17 pm |
    • RightTurnClyde

      The words themselves are the words of Isaiah. Whether you think the words of Isaiah are true is another issue. You might not think General Patton's words were true or John Wayne (John Ford et al), or Iago, or Henry V (Band of Brothers speech) .. or Lincoln (maybe you thing he was nonsense). But they all had words to say and the words were published and we can LEARN what they said. Now I liked Patton and Lincoln and Agincourt and Robert Frost. They had plenty to say and I liked all o f them

      September 26, 2011 at 9:39 pm |
    • Kyle

      Lycidas, your point.....?

      September 26, 2011 at 11:08 pm |
    • Lycidas

      You are trying to win arguments no one has made.

      September 27, 2011 at 7:58 am |
  6. RightTurnClyde

    H o w . .b e a u t i f u l . .u p o n . .t h e . .m o u n t a i n s . .a r e . .t h e . .f e e t . .o f . .t h e . .m e s s e n g e r . .o f . .g o o d . .t i d i n g s , . .t h a t . .a n n o u n c e t h . .p e a c e , . .t h e . .h a r b i n g e r . .o f . .g o o d . .t i d i n g s , . .t h a t . .a n n o u n c e t h . .s a l v a t i o n ; . .t h a t . .s a i t h . .u n t o . .Z i o n : . .' T h y . .G – d . .r e i g n e t h ! ' . . . .( I . .a m . .e l a t e d ! ! ! ) .( T h a n k . .y o u . .T h a n k . .y o u . .G o o g l e .T h a n k . .y o u . .C N N . . .T h a n k . .y o u N e w b e r r y . .L i b r a r y . . . . .T h a n k . .y o u . .I s r a e l . . .T h a n k . .y o u . .J e w i s h . .s c h o l a r s . . .T h a n k . .y o u . .J e s u i t s . .o f . .L o y o l a . .U . .i n . .C h i c a g o . . .T h a n k . .y o u . .R e v . . .S c h u l e r . . . . .T h a n k . .y o u . .D r . V e r n o n . . . .M c G e e . . .T h a n k . .y o u . .F r e d r i c k . .H a n d e l . . .T h a n k . .y o u . .M o o d y . .B i b l e . .I n s t i t u t e . . . . .T h a n k . .y o u . .s h e p h e r d . .b o y . .w h o . .f o u n d . .t h e m . . . .T h a n k . .y o u . .E s s e n e s .

    September 26, 2011 at 8:53 pm |
    • kimsland

      W.H.A.T. ?

      Your words are all broken up? Are you ok? Maybe you're talking in tongues? Lol

      September 26, 2011 at 8:55 pm |
    • RightTurnClyde

      No .. the BLOG BOT will not print what it does not like. SO if you break it all up the BOT just sees it as a string of letters. I do not use 'bad words" .. there is no purpose served by that. I do not use them in speech (especially) .. it ruins communication.

      September 26, 2011 at 9:33 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      It was probably the tit in institute that tripped the "moderator."

      September 26, 2011 at 9:41 pm |
    • David Johnson

      Actually, "dirty words" often convey a sentiment that no other words can.

      Instead of breaking up each word into letters, learn or set up microsoft word to "find" and fix the offending words for you.

      Or pray that Jesus will cast out the offending words...

      Probably, setting up word would be a better bet.

      Cheers!

      September 26, 2011 at 10:05 pm |
  7. Muneef

    The question here did it's contents tally with the bibles you have and which one of the 77 bibles??

    September 26, 2011 at 8:47 pm |
    • Kraken

      Mohammed's brother slept with 5 thugs and now we see the result. Nothing.

      September 26, 2011 at 9:04 pm |
    • David Johnson

      The Scrolls were very close to the Old Testament. None of the New Testament or Jesus was written about.

      What is remarkable, is that they do so closely match.

      Cheers!

      September 26, 2011 at 10:09 pm |
    • Lycidas

      Too true, though considering that the majority of the scrolls were written before the Christian movement began...it's not that surprising.

      September 27, 2011 at 8:01 am |
    • Muneef

      Well that is comforting to know...although just wondered if they had found within it any difference would they have shown it or would they amend it to closely match !?! "sigh" only GOD and them would know...although the difference could have been in the words them selves but from the translations of it's words from it's original meaning since not all languages are as rich as others in the true meanings of the words....specially by translators that had not felt the true meanings of the words because not having lived in the same era or place or as a mother tounge language since who is good with one will not be as good with the other...!!

      Did you say Jesus was not mentioned? Strange I thought they were told to expect his coming...so does that part match since the dispute is here that led to crucifixion issue because they did not believe he had the signs but rather doubted every thing about his being the promised Messiah ...!?
      Funny really that Jews do not recognize Jesus... While both Jews and Christians so not recognize Muhammed s.a.w.!!

      September 28, 2011 at 9:29 pm |
    • Muneef

      Well that is comforting to know...although just wondered if they had found within it any difference would they have shown it or would they amend it to closely match !?! "sigh" only GOD and them would know...although the difference could have been in the words them selves but from the translations of it's words from it's original meaning since not all languages are as rich as others in the true meanings of the words....specially by translators that had not felt the true meanings of the words because not having lived in the same era or place or as a mother tounge language since who is good with one will not be as good with the other...!!

      Did you say Jesus was not mentioned? Strange I thought they were told to expect his coming...so does that part match since the dispute is here that led to crucifixion issue because they did not believe he had the signs but rather doubted every thing about his being the promised Messiah ...!?
      Funny really that Jews do not recognize Jesus... While both Jews and Christians do not recognize Muhammed s.a.w.!!   

      When Muslims do recognize and pay their respects and Holiness to All Prophets,Messengers of GOD including "Moses" and "Jesus"..!!! 

      September 28, 2011 at 9:32 pm |
  8. kimsland

    Yes all good
    The more open literature about religious beliefs from thousands of years ago the better.
    That way people can read these things and understand they do not suit our modern society what so ever.
    These Scrolls, were words of that time, they were certainly not meant to be followed thousands of years later.
    Just as the things we feel are right (or wrong) now, hold little debate to future generations except as history of what people once thought was important, and isn't relevant anymore.

    Now can we please put the bible in a museum, and show children that we don't believe in that rubbish anymore, that was a long time ago when evolution and science wasn't very understood. Good as history though.

    Oh and hi Bo, I do read your comments but then this 'Belief' blog posts another crazy story that needs clearing up.

    September 26, 2011 at 8:34 pm |
    • Lycidas

      Wow...you must think highly of yourself. You think that your feelings on a certain topic that involves billions of ppl is important. You limited opinion on what should be "rubbish" and put into a museum is noted.
      Now I will admit that I think closed minded views on aspects of our culture should go the way of the stone age but we still have ppl like kim. What can we do?

      September 26, 2011 at 8:41 pm |
    • kimsland

      We don't teach children in school different options to what is correct, we teach them the correct way.
      I'm simply explaining that history is history, on things such as scrolls and that other really old novel the bible.

      Lets move ahead now, history is interesting about how not to make the same mistakes and all, but we certainly don't need to re live it or worse yet, follow it. Unless you feel we should still stone people to death? As per what is exactly written in the bible. That's just outrageous.

      September 26, 2011 at 8:47 pm |
    • Lycidas

      @Kim- do you think we should ignore the contemporaies of the Bible writers? You know...Socrates, Plato and Aristotle?
      Much of out collective human wisdom comes from the ancients. Simply because something is ancient does not mean it is false.

      September 26, 2011 at 8:57 pm |
    • Lycidas

      "We don't teach children in school different options to what is correct, we teach them the correct way."

      No, we teach them that which has the approval of some authority. I am quite sure many liberals bristle at what is taught in Texas schools. Do they teach the correct way?

      September 26, 2011 at 8:58 pm |
    • kimsland

      What Lycidas?

      This isn't science you know. This is talking about words of fairytale fiction, you know religious stuff.
      No religion history should never be followed, it is barbaric history

      September 26, 2011 at 9:00 pm |
    • Lycidas

      "No religion history should never be followed, it is barbaric history"

      No offense, but I don't think you are in any position to declare anything barbaric or unworthy of being followed. In your own life..yes, but not in anyone else's life.

      September 26, 2011 at 9:12 pm |
    • Kyle

      Lycidas, just fyi, just because billions of people believe in something doesn't mean it's correct. For example, there are over a billion muslims that believe over a billion christians are going to hell and vice versa. You see my point? Both groups of sheep are incorrect. There is no hell. It's a made up place. The scrolls are just words on paper that mean nothing. The only significance is that they're old. So, they could be worth a few dollars because of their popularity, but that's really about it.

      That's all there is to say about that.

      September 26, 2011 at 9:19 pm |
    • herbert juarez

      @kyle Actually one could add you really don't know what you are talking about ,and what you consider a point has no relevance to anyone but you .Closely examined your "point" is pretty much worthless to you as well.God bless

      September 26, 2011 at 9:23 pm |
    • Lycidas

      Let me correct you a bit:

      "Both groups of sheep are incorrect."

      What you mean is that you disagree with both groups and you have no idea if they are "sheep".

      "There is no hell."

      Your factless opinion. And plz don't cite the proving the negative argument. Intellectual laziness.

      "It's a made up place."

      More factless opinion.

      "The scrolls are just words on paper that mean nothing."

      They mean nothing to you.

      The only significance is that they're old. So, they could be worth a few dollars because of their popularity, but that's really about it."

      If you think that a cultural treasure that is thousands of years old is worth a few dollars because of popularity...we are in trouble if more share your feelings.

      September 26, 2011 at 9:25 pm |
    • herbert juarez

      @lycidias
      Actually they mean nothing to you,as you have chosen the fools tour of life for yourself.To millions of others the Dead Sea Scrolls are very significant in confirming Old Testament scriptures especially prophecy, and of course accuracy.God bless

      September 26, 2011 at 9:31 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @Lycidas
      You said: "Let me correct you a bit:"

      Ohhh! This will be exciting!

      Kyle said: "Both groups of sheep are incorrect."

      You replied: "What you mean is that you disagree with both groups and you have no idea if they are "sheep".

      There are about 14 major religions in the world. Just for grins, let's say that one of these 14, is worshiping the one true god. And let's assume each one of the 14 religions has a good place (Heaven?) and bad place (Hell?). You have a 1 in 14 (7%) chance of choosing the correct god and going to the good place. There is a 93% chance you will choose incorrectly and will suffer in a bad place. So, statistically you are probably worshiping the wrong god. As for being sheep, kyle is wrong here. The correct term is non-thinking sheep. You believe you are worshiping the one true god...but so does everyone else.

      Kyle said: "There is no hell."

      You replied: "Your factless opinion. And plz don't cite the proving the negative argument. Intellectual laziness."

      If god is all loving, all good and all just as Christians profess, how do you reconcile this with the fact, that there is a place called hell?

      How could an all good, all merciful, all just god, spend His time constructing such a place? Did he whistle while He worked?

      If god is all loving, all good, all merciful and all just...how do you reconcile this with the fact that god would burn humans for all eternity? What crime could justify such a punishment?

      Man lives a finite number of years. Only a finite number of "sins" could be committed in this finite time. How is it just to punish a finite number of sins with eternal agony?

      Christians say god is omnipotent. If so, He cannot be injured, either by one sin or a billion. So, god sends people to hell for all eternity, for sins which, in no way damage Him. How is that just?

      Christians also claim their god is all knowing (omniscient). If this is true, then He would know who will be saved and who will be damned, even before they are born. Yet, god lets them be born knowing their ultimate fate is eternal punishment. Seems wrong somehow. Maybe it's just that I am sane...

      Christians often prattle on about having a choice of accepting Christ or spending eternity in hell. This is not a choice. This is Vito Corleone making an offer that cannot be refused. Pfui!

      If you were trying to start a religion, as the New Testament authors were, wouldn't this be a good PowerPoint bullet? I mean it really couldn't hurt the membership drive, right?

      Join = Eternal Bliss

      Decline = Eternal Agony

      If a puppy peed on the floor, would you hold it over a burner, even for a second? I couldn't. Not a puppy and certainly not a human. I am more moral than your vile god. I would not create a hell.

      If god is all loving and all just, there cannot be a hell. Kyle is right.

      Cheers!

      September 26, 2011 at 10:36 pm |
    • Kyle

      My original response is far too long. I'll cut t down a bit so CNN will let me post it:

      Tartarus and Hades are known to be myths, because we know that Greek mythology is, well, a myth. So, why is it that jesus speaks of hades? And why is tartarus used in the bible?

      Also, in the old testament, there is no hell. Instead, we find "the grave." When the old testament was translated to Greek about 200 BC, hell was used in place of "the grave." Hence all this confusion. Knowing how religion functions, knowing that they're all full of it and borrow pieces from each other, one can safely assume that there is in fact, no hell.

      September 26, 2011 at 10:50 pm |
    • Kyle

      By the way, I don't speak in terms of opinion. I speak in terms of facts. I gather information from the magical sky-hostess fairy book, and then I take the black and white words and hand them to those that wish to tell me that they're real and actually have some meaning.

      September 26, 2011 at 10:52 pm |
    • Lycidas

      @herbert juarez-you misunderstood what I wrote.

      September 27, 2011 at 8:02 am |
    • Lycidas

      "There are about 14 major religions in the world. Just for grins, let's say that one of these 14, is worshiping the one true god. And let's assume each one of the 14 religions has a good place (Heaven?) and bad place (Hell?). You have a 1 in 14 (7%) chance of choosing the correct god and going to the good place. There is a 93% chance you will choose incorrectly and will suffer in a bad place. So, statistically you are probably worshiping the wrong god. As for being sheep, kyle is wrong here. The correct term is non-thinking sheep. You believe you are worshiping the one true god...but so does everyone else."

      You make the error in as*suming that all religions are equal.
      The other mistake is that by sheep, youare implying that Kyle is blindly following his faith. Is he?

      September 27, 2011 at 8:05 am |
    • Lycidas

      "If god is all loving, all good and all just as Christians profess, how do you reconcile this with the fact, that there is a place called hell?"

      Who said God was all loving or that he was all good? I doubt you will find any text to ever say God is all good or all love. You might want to refrain from claiming things you do not know.

      September 27, 2011 at 8:07 am |
    • Lycidas

      "Christians say god is omnipotent. If so, He cannot be injured, either by one sin or a billion. So, god sends people to hell for all eternity, for sins which, in no way damage Him."

      Hmm, I think you need to reread the definition of omnipotent.
      Also, some theologians would state that existence itself is damaged by sin and that is why it must be dealt with. Or, like Rabbi Heschel would imply...one of God's aspects is that of justice.

      September 27, 2011 at 8:10 am |
    • Lycidas

      "Christians also claim their god is all knowing (omniscient). If this is true, then He would know who will be saved and who will be damned, even before they are born."

      Knowing does not mean control you know. Just because God may know how one lives their life...that is still their life and their free will to act.

      September 27, 2011 at 8:12 am |
    • Lycidas

      "Christians often prattle on about having a choice of accepting Christ or spending eternity in hell. This is not a choice."

      The basic way to look at is...you choose to be with God or you don't. Sorry that their was never an option C for you to choose from. Sometimes I think our modern viewpoint has goofed up our thinking on certain facts. Sometimes there is only two choices and not a myriad of them like we like to pretend.

      September 27, 2011 at 8:15 am |
    • Lycidas

      "I am more moral than your vile god. I would not create a hell."

      You are finite, small and arrogent. You are trying to say what you would do if you had the aspects of God. I am sorry, that would be like a bacteria trying to articulate what it would do if it were human.

      Shalom!

      September 27, 2011 at 8:18 am |
    • David Johnson

      @Lycidas

      You said: "You make the error in as*suming that all religions are equal."

      There is no evidence to suggest one is more likely than the other.

      Cheers!

      September 28, 2011 at 2:31 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @Lycidas

      I said: "Christians also claim their god is all knowing (omniscient). If this is true, then He would know who will be saved and who will be damned, even before they are born."

      You replied: "Knowing does not mean control you know. Just because God may know how one lives their life...that is still their life and their free will to act."

      If the future can be known, If god is omniscient, then there is no choice. There is only that which actually happens. There may be many paths leading to the picnic grounds. But in actuality, there is only the one you will choose. It is predetermined. If god can "see" you choosing the middle path...then in reality, that is your only choice. If this isn't true, then god isn't omniscient.

      If god knows a person will be damned, even before they are born...but lets them be born to be eternally tortured... that god is evil. It is good He doesn't exist. LOL.

      Cheers!

      September 28, 2011 at 2:41 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @Lycidas
      I said: "Christians say god is omnipotent. If so, He cannot be injured, either by one sin or a billion. So, god sends people to hell for all eternity, for sins which, in no way damage Him."

      You replied: "Hmm, I think you need to reread the definition of omnipotent."

      Omnipotent – all powerful –> If a being is all powerful, he could not be vulnerable.

      Cheers!

      September 28, 2011 at 2:51 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @Lycidas

      I said: "I am more moral than your vile god. I would not create a hell."

      You are finite, small and arrogent. You are trying to say what you would do if you had the aspects of God. I am sorry, that would be like a bacteria trying to articulate what it would do if it were human.

      No, I am saying that even a bacteria is more moral than your god. I would not burn a puppy. I would not burn a human. If your god would, then He is vile. This isn't a matter of humans not understanding the mind a god. It is evil.

      Cheers!

      September 28, 2011 at 2:56 pm |
    • Lycidas

      "There is no evidence to suggest one is more likely than the other."

      I think what you are meaning is not religion but the concept of faith. I would think most anthropologists would say there is a distinct cultural difference in the developal advancement of one religion to another.

      Now as for the concept of faith, yes...a person that has faith may not be anymore special than another. Whether it is faith in science, religion or whatever.

      Shalom!

      September 28, 2011 at 8:55 pm |
    • Lycidas

      "If the future can be known, If god is omniscient, then there is no choice."

      ~No, you ignore perspective. From the perspective of an all knowing being...there can be only possibility. Though one could say that God exists in all-time and therefor does not participate in the linear movement of time. Anyway..from the perspective of a standard human...they have choice. Just because God knows the decision prior, does not mean the person did not make one.

      "If god knows a person will be damned, even before they are born...but lets them be born to be eternally tortured... that god is evil. It is good He doesn't exist. LOL."

      ~Denying a person to exist and the ability to choose. Now that is evil. There is no evil in letting a person live there life is there? I did not think so.

      Shalom!

      September 28, 2011 at 9:00 pm |
    • Lycidas

      "Omnipotent – all powerful –> If a being is all powerful, he could not be vulnerable."

      You need to dig a wee bit deeper. There is nothing that implies that being all powerful does not mean one cannot be vulnerable. Not to mention that the scriptures imply that God is vulnerable to emotion. In the case of all power...it means to be able to do anything. You are looking for a different term...good luck with it.

      Shalom!

      September 28, 2011 at 9:05 pm |
    • Lycidas

      "No, I am saying that even a bacteria is more moral than your god. I would not burn a puppy. I would not burn a human. If your god would, then He is vile. This isn't a matter of humans not understanding the mind a god. It is evil."

      You are welcome to apply your factless, limited and ignorant moral opinion onto God. You do not have any of the aspects of God (whether you believe in him or not is irrelevant in this) and do not really know what you would do if you did. Sorry, but you are out of your pay grade on this.

      Shalom!

      September 28, 2011 at 9:08 pm |
    • herbert juarez

      When in as discussion with david johnson it is important to recognize his pattern of argument.
      !.david always starts with a lie
      2.next david tosses out a few unproven opinions or other lies and self declares them as fact
      3.this leads to davids big drum roll conclusion, that has nothing to do with his previous writings
      4. david then kisses his own butt and expects everyone else to do likewise with a hearty cheers
      God bless

      September 28, 2011 at 9:13 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      Hey, "Run & Hide Herbie!" How's it going? Still working on your proof re: Mary? We'll have to take no response as you conceding defeat and admitting that there is a non-zero probability your god does not exist. Seems that not even Credenza is going to jump in to help you...

      September 28, 2011 at 9:24 pm |
  9. just DO

    http://dss.collections.imj.org.il/isaiah#52:4

    September 26, 2011 at 8:29 pm |
    • RightTurnClyde

      This is better - easier to use . I will bookmark this.

      September 26, 2011 at 8:39 pm |
  10. RightTurnClyde

    Now this I LIKE. I like it. God does too (I know). Revere God it is the only way to live. Do it any way you know how.

    September 26, 2011 at 8:19 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      What a freakin' ego you have.

      September 26, 2011 at 9:47 pm |
  11. Bo

    Just two weeks ago I leaned of this, I don't remember if the speaker said it was ready, or going to be ready soon, that eas beside the point. The point was:scientist have taken a great deal of time comparing the Dead sea Scrolls with the current modern versions and there have only 57 minor mistakes in the modern versions. In the book of Isaiah there are only 17 differences.and if I recall, most of these had to do with names of people and places. The manner in which the anceient scribes copied scriptures was so meticulous that it was impossiable to make mistakes.

    September 26, 2011 at 7:26 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Gee, so therefore most unlike this forum, wherein it's impossible not to spot mistakes, made mostly by nitwits like you.

      September 26, 2011 at 10:07 pm |
    • Kyle

      You are correct. The mistakes are minimal in being transcribed. You would think though, during that time just maybe, they could have fixed some of the contradictions, changed some dates, and took out the lies that jesus spoke.

      September 26, 2011 at 10:54 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @Bo

      You said: " The manner in which the anceient scribes copied scriptures was so meticulous that it was impossiable to make mistakes."

      Not impossible, or there wouldn't have been ANY ERRORS. This does show, how meticulous the scribes worked. The fact that there were errors shows it was not the product of a perfect god.

      Cheers!

      September 26, 2011 at 11:09 pm |
    • Mary Hillsbrough

      There are NO errors in the bible. This is something that atheists make up to try to prove that they don't have to answer to my Lord. It absolves them of guilt. They'll find out when they pass from this life that there will be fire waiting for those that doubt Jesus Christ. He is just and mighty. These atheists are the dumbest people I know.

      September 27, 2011 at 12:16 am |
    • ThinkForYourself

      Mary,

      If there are no errors in the bible, then how does Jesus have two different paternal grandfathers? And why are there multiple accounts of who saw the empty tomb? And how did daylight happen before the sun was created? And why did jesus say that the second coming would happen before his generation had passed? Shall I go on?

      September 27, 2011 at 1:44 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      @Mary: so we don't have to answer to your Lord? what exactly are you smoking? First of all, you'd have to provide verifiable evidence that it exists, which you can't do nor can anyone! Second, the Dead Sea scrolls may tell stories but they are just that...written by bronze age men who never met one another! It is not our issue if you do not know the history of the book...our issue is that you keep trying to push it down our throats! Your delusions need to be taken care of by a psychiatrist, not religion!

      September 27, 2011 at 5:30 am |
  12. Bo

    I went online to see about people who converted from atheisim to religion– they were all scientists (at lest none else were listed)

    September 26, 2011 at 6:58 pm |
    • RightTurnClyde

      There is no line of delineation between science and faith in God. It is actually a sign of wisdom. We do not and cannot know much and so our human knowledge is finite and limited. We know enough to survive as a species.

      September 26, 2011 at 8:21 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Oh, bushwa, WrongTurn.

      What a load of crap.

      September 26, 2011 at 10:08 pm |
    • Kyle

      Intelligence can drive a man insane. Insane enough to revert back to the ways of a caveman.

      September 26, 2011 at 10:55 pm |
    • Mary Hillsbrough

      At the end of every life, they cry out to the Lord. Repenting in death arms is too late. Stop waiting around and give your life to Jesus.

      September 27, 2011 at 12:17 am |
    • ThinkForYourself

      Wow, Mary, you really seem to delight in the torture of others. How Christian of you.

      September 27, 2011 at 1:45 am |
  13. Bo

    Pg 2 CONTINUED @Reality If Jesus were illiterate how was it that He could read the scriptures (Luke 4:16) How is it when the adultress was brought to Him He wrote in the dust. (John 8:8) God love you!

    September 26, 2011 at 6:47 pm |
    • Muneef

      Bo---

      Jesus was not illiterate....
      Quran 03: 45 to 48

      -[And mention] when the angels said, "O Mary, indeed Allah gives you good tidings of a word from Him, whose name will be the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary – distinguished in this world and the Hereafter and among those brought near [to Allah ].
      -He will speak to the people in the cradle and in maturity and will be of the righteous."
      -She said, "My Lord, how will I have a child when no man has touched me?" [The angel] said, "Such is Allah ; He creates what He wills. When He decrees a matter, He only says to it, 'Be,' and it is.
      -And He will teach him writing and wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel.

      September 26, 2011 at 8:41 pm |
    • herbert juarez

      Quran=A cult text provide by a false prophet that has enslaved and destroyed millions of souls.Do not accept any reference to or from the Quran as scripture.For the most part the dead sea scrolls are scripture,from the 1st to 2 nd century B.C.E.God bless

      September 26, 2011 at 8:48 pm |
    • Muneef

      Herbert J.
      Are saying he was not as mentioned in the book? Did it say any thing that is not found to be of Jesus?

      September 26, 2011 at 9:09 pm |
    • Kyle

      Herbert, the same can be said of the bible.

      September 26, 2011 at 9:22 pm |
    • herbert juarez

      @kyle
      Only by idiots.God bless

      September 26, 2011 at 9:25 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @Muneef

      There was nothing written about Jesus. There was nothing from the New Testament. The age of the scrolls and the fact that verses from the scrolls are almost identical to the Jewish bible of today, are the remarkable qualities. They prove nothing, other than the fact that the scribes were painstakingly careful.

      Cheers!

      September 26, 2011 at 10:41 pm |
    • Kyle

      Herbert, you'd better watch out, you'd better not cry. You'd better not pout, I'm telling you why. Cuz people burn in hell for calling people names. Praise jesus. Amen.

      September 26, 2011 at 10:58 pm |
    • Reality

      o The illiteracy of the simple preacher man aka Jesus, as per contemporary experts:

      From Professor Bruce Chilton's commentary in his book, Rabbi Jesus, An Intimate Biography,
      "What Luke misses is that Jesus stood in the synagogue as an illiterate m–amzer in his claim to be the Lord's anointed".

      Note: Luke 4: 16 is a single attestation. No where else in the NT does it say Jesus could read thereby making said passage historically unreliable.

      Professor JD Crossan notes that Jesus was illiterate coming from a landless peasant background, initially a follower of John the Baptist. e.g. The Excavation of Jesus (with Professor Reed), pp 30-31..

      The only Gospel reference to Jesus writing is John 8:6 in the Pericope Adulterae, widely considered a later addition, where it is not even clear he is forming letters in the dust, and the Greek "εγραφεν" could equally mean he was drawing.

      Luke 2: 41-52, the twelve year old Jesus in the temple- As per Professor Gerd Ludemann in his book, Jesus After 2000 Years, p. 275, " the episode is unhistorical" (again, a single attestaion). See also http://wiki.faithfutures.org/index.php?ti-tle=433_Jesus_at_Twelve

      It is very unfortunate that Jesus was illiterate for it resulted in many gospels and epistles being written years after his death by non-witnesses. This resulted in significant differences in said gospels and epistles and with many embellishments to raise Jesus to the level of a deity to compete with the Roman gods and emperors. See Raymond Brown's book, An Introduction to the New Testament, (Luke 4:16 note on p. 237) for an exhaustive review of the true writers of the gospels and epistles.

      Of course, Muslims believe that Mohammed was also illiterate. This way, they can claim that the only way he could have received the "angelic", koranic passages of death to all infidels and Islamic domination of the globe by any means, was orally since he could not read and write. Google it for verification if you feel the need.

      September 26, 2011 at 11:25 pm |
    • Mary Hillsbrough

      Muhammed probably was illiterate. THAT would explain a lot. The koran is one of the worst books ever written. Nowhere near as spectacularly done as the Bible. Plus, the bible is the truth. The koran was written by arabs.

      September 27, 2011 at 12:08 am |
    • Muneef

      Mary Hill.

      The Arabs were of the same people who wrote the Bible earlier but when the old languages were dying they developed a new language that has developed by time to become the Arabic Language based on which her speakers were called Arabs...!! So we were one congregation that divided the religion among them and went on different sectors...do not let color fool you because that was developed due climatical and other living elements and environment change.... Our Holy Book is part of your old holy books ;
      Q/Sura 05:48
      And We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture and as a criterion over it. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth. To each of you We prescribed a law and a method. Had Allah willed, He would have made you one nation [united in religion], but [He intended] to test you in what He has given you; so race to [all that is] good. To Allah is your return all together, and He will [then] inform you concerning that over which you used to differ.
      ----

      September 28, 2011 at 9:55 pm |
    • Muneef

      Oh Mary how fancy are your Hills...

      September 29, 2011 at 7:10 am |
  14. Bo

    Pg 1 @Reallity You have copy/pasted/posted this so many times you probably could do it i the dark. I have never read the thing through 1) It's too long 2)It has too many unacceptablle presumptious statements. I have the notion that it was written to enhance the atheist's position, because any serious Christian is not going to buy into this stuff. I don't really want to insult you, but it is so much like a crying baby that can't have his way. For your satisfaction I will address a couple things. Abraham probably never exisited. Other than the Old Testament scriptures there is no evidence, so what would archeologist search for–cities, and there is none, Abraham lived in tents, and he had little to nothing to do with his neighbors. As for the Exodis, the same thing. As for Jerrico, I doubt the archeology ruins have been found, I don't know. When David ruled Jeruslem it was not very big, he ruled over many little cities, towns and villages, all with their own rulers who were subject to him CONTINUED:

    September 26, 2011 at 6:30 pm |
    • Muneef

      BO-–

      Prophet Abraham existed at the Arabian Penisular ;

      Prophet of GOD Abraham s.a.w ;
      History of the building of the Ka’aba. "In Mecca,Arabia"

      Qur’an in Sura Baqra Verses 121 to 127 described it clearly that Allah had ordained his servant Ibrahim to build the Shrine there for worship of One God. During Kusayi’s time it was rebuilt and fortified. 
      Find out more at this link;
      http://mb-soft.com/believe/txh/kaaba.htm

      September 26, 2011 at 8:45 pm |
    • *frank*

      Do Muslims worship a meteorite? What's the deal there?

      September 26, 2011 at 8:49 pm |
    • Muneef

      *frank*.

      No we worship GOD but am not sure much about the black stone other than being Holy for some reason but if you read the link might you get the whole story...

      September 26, 2011 at 9:15 pm |
    • Spoch

      The meteorite they worship is the ex-"Shield of Rome" that was taken by conquest as the Muslims murdered everyone they could get their hands on.
      It is a small nickel-iron meteorite. Shield-shaped because of its passage through the atmosphere.
      The ancient Romans saw it fall. They thought it was the gods giving them a magical shield and decided on their own that it meant Rome would never fall as long as they had it in their possession. Rome fell, but the Muslims did not do it.
      Nope. The Muslims stole it from someone else. Now they think that as long as they have it...Islam will not fall.
      Being a delusional belief system and not a physical country, they cannot conceive the truth that their precious religion will disappear in the blink of an eye as each believer finally realizes what a massive lie Islam is.

      Somebody needs to steal that meteorite. Just to shove their bulllshhit in their faces for once. They are insane.

      September 26, 2011 at 10:39 pm |
    • Reality

      Bo,

      If you ever decide to read a book other than the bible, some suggested starting references:

      o 1. Historical Jesus Theories, earlychristianwritings.com/theories.htm – the names of many of the contemporary historical Jesus scholars and the ti-tles of their over 100 books on the subject.

      2. Early Christian Writings, earlychristianwritings.com/
      – a list of early Christian doc-uments to include the year of publication–

      3. Historical Jesus Studies, faithfutures.org/HJstudies.html,
      – "an extensive and constantly expanding literature on historical research into the person and cultural context of Jesus of Nazareth"

      4. Jesus Database, faithfutures.org/JDB/intro.html–"The JESUS DATABASE is an online annotated inventory of the traditions concerning the life and teachings of Jesus that have survived from the first three centuries of the Common Era. It includes both canonical and extra-canonical materials, and is not limited to the traditions found within the Christian New Testament."

      5. Josephus on Jesus mtio.com/articles/bissar24.htm

      6. The Jesus Seminar, mystae.com/restricted/reflections/messiah/seminar.html#Criteria

      7. Writing the New Testament- mystae.com/restricted/reflections/messiah/testament.html

      8. Health and Healing in the Land of Israel By Joe Zias
      joezias.com/HealthHealingLandIsrael.htm

      9. Economics in First Century Palestine, K.C. Hanson and D. E. Oakman, Palestine in the Time of Jesus, Fortress Press, 1998.

      10. 7. The Gnostic Jesus
      (Part One in a Two-Part Series on Ancient and Modern Gnosticism)
      by Douglas Groothuis: equip.org/free/DG040-1.htm11.

      September 26, 2011 at 11:34 pm |
    • Reality

      Continued from above:

      11. The interpretation of the Bible in the Church, Pontifical Biblical Co-mmission
      Presented on March 18, 1994
      ewtn.com/library/CURIA/PBCINTER.HTM#2

      12. The Jesus Database- newer site:
      wiki.faithfutures.org/index.php?t-itle=Jesus_Database

      13. Jesus Database with the example of Supper and Eucharist:
      faithfutures.org/JDB/jdb016.html

      14. Josephus on Jesus by Paul Maier:
      mtio.com/articles/bissar24.htm

      15. The Journal of Higher Criticism with links to articles on the Historical Jesus:
      mtio.com/articles/bissar24.htm16. The Greek New Testament: laparola.net/greco/

      September 26, 2011 at 11:41 pm |
    • Reality

      continued from above.

      17. Diseases in the Bible:etd.unisa.ac.za/ETD-db/theses/available/etd-08022006-125807/unrestricted/02dissertation.pdf

      18. Religion on Line (6000 articles on the history of religion, churches, theologies,
      theologians, ethics, etc.religion-online.org/

      19. The Jesus Seminarians and their search for NT authenticity:
      mystae.com/restricted/reflections/messiah/seminar.html#Criteria

      20. The New Testament Gateway – Internet NT ntgateway.com/

      September 26, 2011 at 11:43 pm |
    • Reality

      Continued from above:

      21. Writing the New Testament- existing copies, or-al tradition etc.
      ntgateway.com/

      22. The Search for the Historic Jesus by the Jesus Seminarians:
      members.aol.com/DrSwiney/seminar.html

      23. Jesus Decoded by Msgr. Francis J. Maniscalco (Da Vinci Code review)jesusdecoded.com/introduction.php

      24. JD Crossan's scriptural references for his book the Historical Jesus separated into time periods: faithfutures.org/Jesus/Crossan1.rtf

      25. JD Crossan's conclusions about the authencity of most of the NT based on the above plus the conclusions of other NT exegetes in the last 200 years:
      faithfutures.org/Jesus/Crossan2.rtf

      26. Common Sayings from Thomas's Gospel and the Q Gospel: faithfutures.org/Jesus/Crossan3.rtf

      27. Early Jewish Writings- Josephus and his books by t-itle with the complete translated work in English :earlyjewishwritings.com/josephus.html

      28. Luke and Josephus- was there a connection?
      infidels.org/library/modern/richard_carrier/lukeandjosephus.html

      29. NT and beyond time line:
      pbs.org/empires/pe-terandpaul/history/timeline/

      30. St. Paul's Time line with discussion of important events:
      harvardhouse.com/prophetictech/new/pauls_life.htm

      31. See http://www.amazon.com for a list of JD Crossan's books and those of the other Jesus Seminarians: Reviews of said books are included and selected pages can now be viewed on Amazon. Some books can be found on-line at Google Books.

      32. Father Edward Schillebeeckx's words of wisdom as found in his books.

      33. The books of the following : Professors Gerd Ludemann, Marcus Borg, Paula Fredriksen, Elaine Pagels, Karen Armstrong and Bishop NT Wright.

      34. Father Raymond Brown's An Introduction to the New Testament, Doubleday, NY, 1977, 878 pages, with Nihil obstat and Imprimatur.

      35. Luke Timothy Johnson's book The Real Jesus

      September 26, 2011 at 11:44 pm |
    • Reality

      Bo,

      In case, you want to read about it up close and personal:

      From amazon.com (The New Torah for Modern Minds)

      "Etz Hayim: Torah and Commentary (Hardcover) $58.00

      ~ David L. Lieber (Editor), Jules Harlow (Editor), United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism (Corporate Author), The Rabbinical Assembly (Corporate Author)
      4.7 out of 5 stars (15 customer reviews)

      "The United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism (USCJ) is the primary organization of synagogues practicing Conservative Judaism in North America. It closely works with the Rabbinical Assembly, the international body of Conservative rabbis, the Jewish Theological Seminary of America, and the Ziegler School of Rabbinic Studies.[1]"

      September 26, 2011 at 11:49 pm |
    • Muneef

      Spoch.

      You dream of these things because they are no where in history...the black stone was there and placed back by Muhammed again before he became visited by the Arch Angel or learned Quran or established Islam...for knowledge all the Prophets and messengers of GOD including Muhammed only started getting that spiritual things only after the age of 40 years...!!!
      Roman shield falling from the sky...hah what a joker are you...?

      September 28, 2011 at 10:04 pm |
    • Muneef

      BO.-

      After all that "Reality's" dropped bombs, how do you feel....guess you will have enough links to spend your life reading and reaching no where....!?
      Otherwise let me provide you another Reality and that is;

      Our Holy Book is part of your old holy books ;
      Q/Sura 05:48
      And We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture and as a criterion over it. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth. To each of you We prescribed a law and a method. Had Allah willed, He would have made you one nation [united in religion], but [He intended] to test you in what He has given you; so race to [all that is] good. To Allah is your return all together, and He will [then] inform you concerning that over which you used to differ.
      ----

      September 28, 2011 at 10:14 pm |
  15. incomplete

    Where's the link? You report about this fascinating thing, but don't provide a link to go SEE it? Waste.

    September 26, 2011 at 5:50 pm |
    • AGuest9

      There is this search engine called Google. It's really cool. You type in what you want to find on the Internet, and it provides lists of links.

      September 26, 2011 at 6:20 pm |
    • Uncouth Swain

      @AGuest9- You must not have done a search or you would have realized that it's not that easy.

      September 26, 2011 at 6:43 pm |
    • ???

      Is this it?

      http://dss.collections.imj.org.il/

      September 26, 2011 at 6:52 pm |
    • RightTurnClyde

      Wouldn't you know. It is not that easy to get the English version of the text. Very difficult to use the Google pages. You need a super computer or else it trips all over itself.

      September 26, 2011 at 8:37 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Kinda like you....

      September 26, 2011 at 10:37 pm |
  16. real reality

    Jesus is God. He rose, and anyone who does not believe in this has not looked at the facts. The fact that there even is a Bible, about Jesus, shows that He was who He was, otherwise he wouldve been forgotten. Psychopaths arent really remembered like that, nor do they say the things Jesus said. current problems in the world today are that people claim to be christian when they're not, real christians dont do the things that "reality" posted under "current problems". and all of the quotes "reality" put are said by non-christians, who probably do not have any real understanding of what christianity really is. to invalidate christianity would be to invalidate every other religion, including aetheism, because they all revolve around Christianity and the belief in one God. personally i dont understand how one can believe science and not believe the Bible, when most science is completely based off of assumptions and are taken as facts. It makes much more sense for there to be a creator than the world "just appearing" by a big bang. its actually more rational for there to be a creator. You cant prove God with science, or disprove Him. He is much beyond that, and He doesnt work in the confines of scientific logic.

    anyways

    its awesome that the Dead Sea Scrolls are up, as they are authentic and pieces of history that will be forever kept. its dumb to argue about the auntecity of Jesus, just as t is dumb to argue over the authenticity of light and dark, or night and day. It exists, no matter who can prove or try to disprove it.

    September 26, 2011 at 5:43 pm |
    • Paul of Tarsus, founder of Christianity

      Your English and grammar suck the big one. Obviously, there is no reason to take your post seriously.

      September 26, 2011 at 8:28 pm |
    • Really real, even more real really real reality

      LOL

      September 26, 2011 at 8:39 pm |
  17. Uncouth Swain

    Keeping history alive *thumbs up*

    September 26, 2011 at 5:36 pm |
  18. ,,,,,

    plz click the report abuse button on this, it has nothing to do with the article

    September 26, 2011 at 5:34 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Neither does anything you wrote, herbie.

      September 26, 2011 at 10:05 pm |
  19. AGuest9

    ancientmythsgooglecom

    September 26, 2011 at 5:29 pm |
  20. josh

    1st, also, i looked at it and it is rather cool, go Google!

    September 26, 2011 at 4:51 pm |
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