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The gospel according to Justin Bieber
A new book explores the faith of pop star Justin Bieber.
September 26th, 2011
05:00 AM ET

The gospel according to Justin Bieber

By Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

(CNN) - Justin Bieber is one of the world's most famous pop stars but is also decidedly more Jesusy than his day job might lead some to believe.

When the young Canadian-born singer burst onto the scene, he was discovered in part by singing Christian songs on YouTube. But that is just the beginning of Bieber's faith journey, spelled out in a new book on the young star.

Cathleen Falsani sarcastically self-proclaims she is the "pre-eminent Justin Bieber scholar in North America."

Falsani has penned "Belieber! Fame, Faith, and the Heart of Justin Bieber," a book exploring the faith life of the tween sensation.

An award-winning religion journalist and a nationally syndicated columnist on the God beat, Falsani came to writing about Bieber almost accidentally.

"I was aware of who he was as a cultural figure. I was aware that he existed, that he was young, cute as a button and Canadian and that his music wasn't something that I generally listened to," she said.

She stumbled across an interview Bieber did with Rolling Stone magazine in which he talked about God. "I was like, 'OK, this is interesting.  Let's see if this is any different than all of the other young 'Christian' pop stars or actors.' "

She was intrigued by the "tone and tenor" of what the young teen had to say about his faith, so she dug deeper. Her young adopted son Vasco was talking about Bieber at the time, and a friend told her she ought to write a book on "the gospel according to Justin Bieber."

What she found was a compelling story of a young man born to an 18-year-old single woman who lost and then found her faith and her way back to church.

Falsani details how Bieber's mother, Patricia Mallette, openly shared her struggles with drugs, alcohol and a suicide attempt before she gave birth to Justin.

Mallette's faith journey took her to Jubilee Christian Fellowship, a nondenominational church in Stratford, Ontario. The church mirrors many charismatic churches in the United States with an emphasis on prayer and spiritual gifts.

"I would call it a charismatic or a Pentecostal church. The iteration of that looks a little different in Canada than it does (in the United States). It looks like any number of our evangelical nondenominational churches, but with a lot more arms raised. Very, very prayerful," Falsani described.

Mallette joined the praise band, which led the music on Sundays. "Being young ... they used to hang out, and she would bring Justin. That's when they noticed this kid's got unbelievable rhythm. And he's 2," according to Falsani.

From there, Bieber lived the life of a normal Canadian church kid, focusing on school and sports.

Bieber kept his musical talents quiet from friends until he was 13 years old and entered a singing competition. He placed third.

His extended family was not able to come and see his performance, so he and his mom began to upload videos onto YouTube so the rest of the family could see him singing. Some of his tunes were Christian worship songs and others secular pop tunes.

The videos hit in a big way.

Falsani explained that Justin's mom thought, "If God had a plan for Justin to be to a music artist, then surely it would be in the Christian industry, and God would send them a nice Christian manager. Suddenly, this 25-year-old Jewish kid from Connecticut called."

In 2007, Scott "Scooter" Brown discovered Bieber.

His career took off.  The family moved to the United States, and Bieber began palling around with music icons.

The haircut, the honey-dripped voice and the screaming tweens are the stuff pop legends are made of. Today, Bieber is a multimillionaire and an industry all to his own, but Falsani details in the book how he and his mother have maintained their faith.

Sprinkled heavily through "Belieber!" are tweets from Bieber and his mom talking about faith, quoting scripture and sharing a simple Christian narrative that God loves people.

Bieber explained his approach to Rolling Stone in February: "I feel I have an obligation to plant little seeds with my fans. I'm not going to tell them, 'You need Jesus,' but I will say at the end of my show, 'God loves you.' "

He does not take complicated theological soapbox stands. In February, he drew a lot of attention for articulating his opposition to abortion in a Rolling Stone article, but he was quick to say it was his belief and he would not force it on anyone.

The book also uses quotes from social media sites to evidence the positive influence Bieber's faith has on his young fans. Falsani sprinkles in quotes from Bieber's core audience - tween and teenage girls - and plays to their hand with a glossy color photo spread featuring pictures of Bieber being Bieber.

Though she considers herself a fan in his shadow demographic (the moms at the concert who secretly dig and buy the music), as a mother herself, Falsani appreciates the positive role Bieber's faith has played in his young career.

"I do think this faith he has is very genuine and very much his and not his mom's or anyone else's. It's not a marketing tool," she said.

Bieber's work with charity is well-documented; he gives a portion of ticket sales to charity, among other approaches.  Falsani is taking a similar role with this book, too. Part of the proceeds from her book are going towards the United Nations-backed Global Fund to Fight AIDS, Tuberculosis and Malaria.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Belief • Christianity • Music

soundoff (509 Responses)
  1. BrewtownPsych

    what a joke. he's just a kid who happens to have Christian parents. even if you are a Christian, why would his opinions even matter, he's clearly not old enough to have solid conclusions about such an important issue as faith. does he even know about other religions? atheism? would you listen to a pop star about philosophy? ridiculous.

    September 27, 2011 at 6:05 pm |
    • Central Scrutinizer

      @ BrewtownPsych
      For the record I often listen to a philosopher about Pop music so I don't really see the difference.
      Bieber Bless

      September 27, 2011 at 8:31 pm |
    • Dave Davis

      At 18 I had a solid grip on what I believed. It's not so hard: just read the Good Book and then OBEY it!

      September 27, 2011 at 10:18 pm |
    • Central Scrutinizer

      @Dave Davis
      Which good book and why? Not clear on your post. I have a number of oustanding books.

      September 27, 2011 at 11:13 pm |
  2. Jayden Cameron

    Nice article. He may not be the most original artist, but he exudes an unpretentious sense of decency and wholesomeness – which I suspect are the qualities which most enrage his detractors – those who's egos need identification with 'bad ass' rebels asserting their self importance. There is certainly a place for authentic rebellion in the arts, offering critiques of the status quo. This is not Justin's gift or path. Let him be just what he is...a bit of sweetness and light for millions of young girls worldwide. Let them have their magic moment with him, and more power to his religious faith if it has kept him pure and true.

    September 27, 2011 at 4:47 pm |
    • Central Scrutinizer

      @Jayden
      He will just get chewed up and spit out by the Pop music industry like all the rest.

      September 27, 2011 at 5:04 pm |
    • Jayden Cameron

      Yes, undoubtedly his star will fade in a few years – unless he succeeds in making the transition to films ala Justin Timberlake. And the adulation of him is indeed disturbing. And yet....there is an inherent goodness about him which cannot be denied and I don't begrudge him his brief moment in the sun. I don't think his religious faith is contrived, he seems to have been genuinely touched by 'something' within, though his capacity to think it through or express intellectually is quite limited. But not as limited as some would think – since he is very careful when 'witnessing' not to equate "Jesus" with "God", out of respect for his Jewish friends and manager. That shows quite a bit of sophistication. The witnessing itself, however, can be sanctimonious and a little offensive, however well intentioned. All in all, an interesting celebrity phenomenon.

      September 27, 2011 at 6:17 pm |
    • Central Scrutinizer

      Somebody get me a bucket.

      September 27, 2011 at 8:06 pm |
  3. ___.__

    All religions are man-made. There is no word of God.

    When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.

    September 27, 2011 at 2:34 pm |
    • RAmon

      YOu cant say there is no God because you have no absolute knowledge. Ppl dont even know %1 of knowledge in the world. 🙂

      September 27, 2011 at 3:38 pm |
    • Central Scrutinizer

      @ramon
      You can't say people don't know 1% of the knowledge in the world because you don't know how much knowledge there is in the world. Bieber Bless

      September 27, 2011 at 4:06 pm |
    • Credenza

      Both Science, Reason and Logic attest that there HAD to be a Prime Mover and Supreme Intelligence to create the world.

      You are acting on what you've picked uo from others; and you hope that by repeating it will make you seem slightly intelligent. You failed. You can't argue with Science, Reason AND Logic and hope to win this argument. Cope, Little One.

      September 27, 2011 at 6:01 pm |
    • BrewtownPsych

      and YOU can't say magical fairies don't exist, or there aren't a pantheon of Gods, or thor doesn't exist. Do you see the backward logic of negative proofs?

      And for somebody claiming that there has to be a prime mover, who was there before your god (which you clearly have ascribed certain characteristics to beyond just being the prime mover)? even if that were true, what possible relevance would it have? why wouldn't it be Zeus, or aliens, or something else? why can't you see this ...

      September 27, 2011 at 6:08 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      @Credenza

      Re: "Both Science, Reason and Logic attest that there HAD to be a Prime Mover and Supreme Intelligence to create the world." You lie – why do you lie? Got some proof or something to back up your assertions? Also, "Science, Reason and Logic" are three attributes – "Both" is bad English. You are welcome!

      September 27, 2011 at 6:22 pm |
    • Central Scrutinizer

      Bieber Bless you alll and keep you well.

      September 27, 2011 at 8:07 pm |
    • Credenza

      @BrewtownPsych – The Bible describes the Creation which is ongoing. Zeus and other mythological gods fulfilled man's inherent desire for the need to worship a Supreme being. However – there is no Bilble that will ever give you chapter and verse that Zeus, Thor or any other temporary god created the Universe.
      Try it, I dare you!
      Look up possible proof that God was real on http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics. It's based on scientific fact and VERY interesting.

      September 29, 2011 at 1:06 pm |
    • Credenza

      @HotAirAce – Thanks I must have got something right if all you can nitpick is one word concerning grammar [I added "reason" and forgot to change the number – so sue me!]

      If you dare – look up www. godandscience.org/apologetics – "Scientists find possible proof that God created the world" They give the goods. Educate yourself with scientific facts – I did!

      September 29, 2011 at 1:10 pm |
    • Real Deal

      Credenza,

      How about if you read about some of the thousands of creation myths that have been dreamed up over the centuries:
      http://www.magictails.com/creationlinks.html
      and
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creation_myth

      Just because the ancient Hebrews were some of the first to learn to write them down doesn't make them true.

      September 29, 2011 at 1:17 pm |
  4. zombie

    who cares?

    September 27, 2011 at 2:18 pm |
  5. James

    Ok! I have gaydar and i know this guy is gay He Should just stop lying and come out of the closet http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/155090/tom-cruise-wont-come-out-of-the-closet

    September 27, 2011 at 1:56 pm |
    • Credenza

      If you are a card carrying adult and you write this sort of filth to a teenager, you need th either take a good look at your motives or get couselling. Seriously. You post is worrying.

      September 29, 2011 at 1:13 pm |
  6. Central Scrutinizer

    Ah, very revealing....

    Teen heartthrob Justin Bieber has had his portrait moulded from squeezy cheese by spread maker Primula to celebrate British Cheese Week.

    Baby Baby Baby Oh, like Baby Baby Baby No!

    This is SUCH and important and inspiring story.

    September 27, 2011 at 12:15 pm |
    • Central Scrutinizer

      AND rumor has it the cheese morphed into the face of Jesus!
      Bieber Bless

      September 27, 2011 at 5:07 pm |
  7. molly5moo2

    there is no reason for anyone to be picking on this kid just because he believes in God. i actually find that very exciting that he does because most actors or musicans dont and they either disgrace God in there songs or you have the ones that talk about him. i believe that this is very good that he can do this and is not scared to show it

    September 27, 2011 at 9:18 am |
    • Central Scrutinizer

      I just want to flick him. Flick him right on the nose and send him to his room.

      September 27, 2011 at 11:59 am |
    • Credenza

      Well said. Bless you.

      September 27, 2011 at 6:03 pm |
    • Dave Davis

      Yes Ma'am, Miss Molly. I concur whole-heartedly. Any one who is a friend of Jesus is a friend of mine! God bless moral youth.

      September 27, 2011 at 10:25 pm |
  8. I AM A FISH

    I dislike Bieber's music. But It's good to see that he's not high every weekend or banging every girl he sees unlike the majority of the music world.
    If that's what his faith does, more power to him.

    September 27, 2011 at 1:48 am |
  9. Nancy

    I say that, if the kid isn't doing drugs and messing with woman he can, then he's got something going for him. If it's his "faith," more power to him. If he needs to cling to belief in a "god," and it helps him do good, who's business is it? If he promotes a positive self-image to his fans, promotes doing good works, what difference should that make to the rest of us?

    Frankly, I think the whole argument "god" vs. "no god" is rather silly. You say there's a "god," that's fine... for you. I say there isn't, that's fine... for ME. Don't shove your "god" in my face, and I won't shove my belief in reincarnation down your throat. Start with the 'witnessing' and I'll start telling you about how Jesus was actually a very old soul who chose to come back and try to teach humanity how to live in peace. Not only did you people miss the whole point of the message, but you killed the messenger... nice going!

    September 27, 2011 at 12:37 am |
    • Nancy

      GAH, proofreading takes a dive:

      "...messing with woman he can..." SHOULD BE

      ...messing with ANY woman he can...

      I fail 🙁

      September 27, 2011 at 12:40 am |
    • Central Scrutinizer

      Can I just "flick" him in the nose? Just "flick"? He could use some lipstck too. Just a little gloss....

      September 27, 2011 at 1:12 am |
    • tolerance goes both ways

      You do know, I hope, that when people witness, they are doing what they think they have to do, and they are doing it because they sincerely believe they are right. To take it as aggression suggests a certain lack of conviction in your own beliefs.

      I was once urged to put my child on a particular medicine by someone who genuinely believed it would help. Of course it was nonsense – but since the person was sincere, why act like something done in good faith is somehow an insult?

      It is not similar to believing in reincarnation (which, if real, is going to happen whether you believe in it or not). It's more appropriate to compare it to a medical or behavioral intervention – something where someone is trying to get you to accept that something must change, or else the consequences will be dire.

      Wouldn't a person look silly if they got all bent out of shape about a doctor trying to save their life? Or a teacher trying to teach something to their child?

      It is part of being civil to learn to appreciate motives, and to allow that people – all people – naturally and quite rightly want to change the world for the better, and help those whom they see as needing help. Give the witnesses some slack.

      September 27, 2011 at 2:27 am |
    • Josh

      Who did Jesus say he was? He said he was the Son of God, not a soul reincarnated or a good teacher. He considered himself equal to God. You speak of truth like it's relative, but believing Jesus is something or believing God does or does not exist does not make fact. Jesus is either God or he's not, and no amount of belief will change that. It's not a matter of what's "right for me" and what's "right for you." It's a matter of what's right. You said Jesus was crucified for his message. What about his message was offensive enough for crucifixion? He preached that outward good acts are not enough to save a person and that a person can be forgiven of their sins by placing their faith in him. That's why the religious leaders crucified him, so let's not lose focus of that. To say Jesus was just a good teacher or a prophet or a reincarnated soul is to miss the point entirely and to call him a liar. Jesus made it pretty clear that sin has consequences in the form of death and hell, that we are all sinners, and that God loved the world so much that he made a way to satisfy his perfect sense of justice by pouring the full wrath of sin on his perfect son in order that those who place their faith in Christ might know the God of creation, be free from the burden of sin, and enjoy everlasting life. That's the gospel, there's freedom in it, and the world needs to know because it's the only hope they have and the greatest source of peace and joy. That's why we witness.

      September 27, 2011 at 3:22 am |
  10. Reality

    Dear Justin,

    Continuing your education:

    "Old time" Catholicism, Islam and Judaism relied and rely on prophets and prophecies (for profit).

    Taking the present view that includes reality and common sense, the modern conclusion is that Catholicism, Islam, and Judaism relied and rely on fortune ($$$$$) telling. (for profit).

    Theologically speaking, these religious fortune tellers require that God (if one exists) knows the future i.e. if God does not know the future (is not omniscient) then no human knew or knows the future.

    As per the famous contemporary theologian, Edward Schillebeeckx, God (if one exists) is not omniscient. Please read, pause and contemplate the following by Schillebeeckx:

    Church: The Human Story of God,
    Crossroad, 1993, p.91 (softcover)

    "Christians (et al) must give up a perverse, unhealthy and inhuman doctrine of predestination without in so doing making God the great scapegoat of history."

    "Nothing is determined in advance: in nature there is chance and determinism; in the world of human activity there is possibility of free choices.

    Therefore the historical future is not known even to God, otherwise we and our history would be merely a puppet show in which God holds the strings.

    For God, too, history is an adventure, an open history for and of men and women."

    i.e. No one, not even God (if one exists) can prophesy since that would violate the human condition of Free Will and Future.

    September 27, 2011 at 12:09 am |
    • Credenza

      With God all things are possible.

      For those who believe, no explanation is necessary.

      For those who do not believe, no explanation is possible.

      September 27, 2011 at 1:02 am |
    • Reality

      The Apostles' Creed 2011: (updated by yours truly based on the studies of NT historians and theologians during the past 200 years)

      Should I believe in a god whose existence cannot be proven
      and said god if he/she/it exists resides in an unproven,
      human-created, spirit state of bliss called heaven?????

      I believe there was a 1st century CE, Jewish, simple,
      preacher-man who was conceived by a Jewish carpenter
      named Joseph living in Nazareth and born of a young Jewish
      girl named Mary. (Some say he was a mamzer.)

      Jesus was summarily crucified for being a temple rabble-rouser by
      the Roman troops in Jerusalem serving under Pontius Pilate,

      He was buried in an unmarked grave and still lies
      a-mouldering in the ground somewhere outside of
      Jerusalem.

      Said Jesus' story was embellished and "mythicized" by
      many semi-fiction writers. A bodily resurrection and
      ascension stories were promulgated to compete with the
      Caesar myths. Said stories were so popular that they
      grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity
      and featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
      called the eucharistic sacrifice of the non-atoning Jesus.

      September 27, 2011 at 4:10 pm |
    • Nurse143

      godandscience.org will rebutt some of your suppositions – in the answers for atheists section. He'll take questions too,

      September 27, 2011 at 4:25 pm |
    • Nurse143

      there is a huge difference between predestination and simply being all-knowing. Free will and choice can be our while God still knows how it will play out. He is all-knowing. History / future / truth / lies.

      September 27, 2011 at 4:33 pm |
    • .........

      multiple spam alert do not read or respond to reality postings they are all garbage hit report abuse

      September 27, 2011 at 7:53 pm |
    • Dave Davis

      And who's fortune-teller are you?

      September 27, 2011 at 10:30 pm |
  11. Not Jesusy

    "Jesusy." Like we really needed another reason to dislike Justin Bieber.

    September 27, 2011 at 12:00 am |
  12. Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

    Herbie, herbie...what a turd.

    September 26, 2011 at 10:44 pm |
  13. Central Scrutinizer

    He can worship what he wants I just wish he would go away. That GOD awful music is a SIN.

    September 26, 2011 at 8:14 pm |
  14. Chloe

    What was the point of this article?I know he's Christian; lots of people are.Its not like he believes in Vudu ceremonies. Big deal...
    TOTAL BELIEBER!!!

    September 26, 2011 at 7:59 pm |
    • Todd

      Christianity is equivalent to Voodoo. Well, no, actually, Voodoo has more substance, which isn't saying much.

      September 26, 2011 at 8:34 pm |
    • herbert juarez

      @todd
      i would bet money that you are as ignorant of voodoo as you are Christianity.I seriously doubt you could explain either.God bless

      September 26, 2011 at 8:41 pm |
    • Kyle

      Herb, have you ever made the attempt to explain christianity? Go on and try it. It'll give the rest of us something to laugh about.

      September 26, 2011 at 9:09 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      Kyle, please do not distract herbie! He needs to finish off his proof that his virgin Mary isn't an adulterous whore.

      September 26, 2011 at 9:14 pm |
    • Kyle

      My mistake.

      Please go on Herb. I'd like to see this medical examiner's report that proves the authenticity of this virgin conception claim.

      September 26, 2011 at 9:31 pm |
    • Credenza

      For all you Atheists – on this thread,
      Ecclesiastes 3:11 –
      "He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has also set eternity in the hearts of men;
      Yet they cannot fathom what God has done from the beginning to the end."

      It would seem to say that to be able to believe in God, completey; one needs to be intellectually open to the gifts of logic and reason.

      So much for fairy tales and imaginary friends, eh??????

      September 27, 2011 at 2:01 am |
    • Credenza

      @Kyle and HotAirAce –
      People like you who utter profanities about the Mother of Jesus only resort to disgusting innuendo, because your posts so far show that – not only do you have nothing intelligent to add to the discussion but filth and blasphemies – but you are unable to grasp the fact that you are actually grotesquely offensive to others.

      I don't believe in Allah but I wouldn't insult a person who did.
      I do believe in the Blessed Virgin Mary and I'd like YOU to give me the same courtesy as I give others. Thank you.

      September 27, 2011 at 2:11 am |
    • Josh

      Kyle, why are you so hostile toward Christianity? Are you half as skeptical of the big bang or the idea that somehow a non-sentient particle that created the universe came from nothing? You are putting your faith in something whether you think it or not. That may be science, scientists, philosophy, yourself or something else, but that faith is ultimately of eternal consequence. Maybe it's cool or fun or satisfying to insult Christians, I don't know, but have you sought to know God? Have you invested yourself into knowing what is true rather than what is comfortable? A believer in Christ has no cause to be offended by your words, so I don't know what you're trying to accomplish other than inflate your image or self-image, both of which will fail you sooner or later as they do everyone. Look beyond the moment you are in, man. I'm not saying this to insult you, because I know my tendencies are to live in the moment too. I was blessed to hear the gospel and for God to change my heart so that I could understand it and believe it, and I'm certainly no better a person or more deserving to be saved than you are. So call out to God and ask him for truth. Jesus said "I am the way, the truth, and the life." He will satisfy the one who yearns to know him.

      September 27, 2011 at 3:39 am |
    • HotAirAce

      @Credenza

      Unfortuantely, perhaps due to your inability to read and comprehend or perhaps due to your blind faith in The Babble and/or herbie, you have fallen into a trap laid for that fantastic "defender of the faith" "Run & Hide Herbie." At no time did I make any assertions about the virgin mary. I merely asked herbie to "prove a negative" as he so often challenges non-believers to do about the existence of god. Rather than being intelectually honest, and admitting that it cannot be done (at least not in the context of unfounded assertions), and that there is uncertainity about the existence of god on both ends of the belief spectrum, he continues to live in his delusional world, spewing hatred towards many others (believers and non-believers).

      I suggest you should be offended more by herbie that those that question your beliefs – herbie is not a good example of the behaviours claimed by your christ myth and very well may be solidifying non-believer beliefs in others.

      September 27, 2011 at 10:14 am |
    • HotAirAce

      It appears that Credenza is the newest member of the "Run & Hide Herbie Club," or maybe they are the same person?

      September 27, 2011 at 11:32 pm |
    • Magic

      HotAirAce,
      "herbie is not a good example of the behaviours claimed by your christ myth and very well may be solidifying non-believer beliefs in others."

      Shhhh! It might be better to have him keep it up... it takes a lot of the load off of us 🙂

      September 27, 2011 at 11:41 pm |
    • herbert juarez

      The only load magic has ,his momma can take care of with a clean diaper and a few dozen wipes.God bless

      September 28, 2011 at 8:29 pm |
  15. smartone

    it's pathetic to pick on this kid just because he believes in God. So he is a lucky kid, very talented, taught to love people and not to hate – the teachings of GOD by the way. We christians are taught to turn the eachother cheek and to understand that people who do not know the love and spirit of Jesus Christ are to be mourned, for they will not be able to enter the Kingdom of Heaven when it is their time to go. So I am sad for all of you Aethiests out there. I do not hate you, I love you. I hope that you find the peace that only loving the Son of God, the only one – JESUS CHRIST can bring to you. May you know him before it is too late. PEACE.

    September 26, 2011 at 4:56 pm |
    • AstuteOne

      You took an entire paragraph to attempt to politely say, "Love and worship Jesus or burn in Hell."

      September 26, 2011 at 7:06 pm |
    • Kyle

      I'd rather burn in hell than worship the biblical god of hate. It would be absolutely amazing if christians actually knew what their bibles said.

      September 26, 2011 at 7:35 pm |
    • Chloe

      This is'n't Jesus Radio.

      September 26, 2011 at 8:00 pm |
    • herbert juarez

      @kyle
      I for one would be surprised if you had any knowledge of the Bible that you personally learned.My bet would be that you might be able to regurgitate someone else theory or questions regarding obscure passages or verses taken out of context or misinterpreted but as for yourself Biblical ignorance is the best you might ever be.God bless

      September 26, 2011 at 9:17 pm |
    • Kyle

      *sigh*

      My response won't post because it's too long Herbert. So, I'll just post a couple points for you. The first is to read 2 Peter 1:20. Then ask yourself who's the fool. I guarantee that any of the bible you have bothered reading, you've interpreted. That's not how it works little fella.

      Second, this god of yours doesn't answer prayers.

      "If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer." –Matthew 21:22 (NIV)
      "I tell you the truth, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there' and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you." –Matthew 17:20 (NIV)
      "Ask and it will be given to you.... For everyone who asks receives." –Luke 11:9-10 (NIV)
      "Again, I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything you ask for, it will be done for you by my Father in heaven." –Matthew 18:19 (NIV)

      The bible claims that there is a god and that prayers are answered. But, so far, mankind 1, god 0. I've never seen or heard of a prayer being answered. I've heard claims, but never seen anything. I know a kid with cancer, pretty bad too. People are praying for him. The cancer is still there. This god of yours must want him dead really bad. Don't bother with the god's will crap either. Nothing in the bible says "god will give you anything you ask for EXCEPT if it goes against his will."

      *Note to you on that last part: Reread the scriptures I posted about. See any "unless" or "except" clause? Didn't think so.

      Some loving god you worship.

      September 26, 2011 at 9:54 pm |
    • Credenza

      @Kyle – When you believe in God it makes suffering different to your perception of it. We are born with Original sin. And we know that life is full of suffering of one kind or another. Some people suffer more than others. But whether you like it or not, there is a nobility in suffering.
      I watched both my parents dying very slowly and painfully. They both had faith in Jesus and Mary. And they BOTH taught me and my brothers how to die with dignity; and watched how our faith [Catholic ] sustained them.

      As for the child with cancer, my cousin died slowly of cancer. Just before he died a nun was trying to wash his face and hands. He said to her "Ah will you go away Sister and let a man die in peace!." He was SIX years old. He believed in God too.

      So please don't ridicule what you're not lucky enough to know!

      September 27, 2011 at 2:29 am |
    • Credenza

      Kyle – You're not actually BRAGGING about being an Atheist are you? Nah! You're having a laugh.

      ATHEISTS – Wars are the result of religious belief.
      Answer – Religion is implicated in less than 7% of all wars in history.

      ATHEISTS – Religion is the cause of all the problems and suffering in the world.
      ANSWER – Atheists have been responsible for most of the world's suffering specially the last 200 years.

      ATHEISTS – Jesus wasn't invented till 400 years after His death. You got that from the Da Vinci Code [fiction]
      ANSWER – Jesus was known and followed from he was aged 33. After He died, the Christians went into the
      catacombs in Rome in order to survive. St John wrote about Jesus' death and HE was at the foot of the Cross when Jesus died.

      I could go.

      September 27, 2011 at 2:45 am |
    • Tallulah13

      Of course you could go on, Credenza. Until you cite actual sources, all you are doing is stating your opinion.

      September 27, 2011 at 3:01 am |
    • herbert juarez

      @kyle
      You have confirmed your ignorance of Biblical principles, by showing your inability to rightly discern proper prayer and the relation to sin problems.Disease is a result of sin,the cancer of godlessness spreads even to the innocents, and the godless with their lack of faith block the healing flow of God.You do not block the love of God for those innocents who suffer because of your ignorance.Sinners such as yourself contribute to this worlds suffering and will ultimately be held responsible for their poor life choices.God bless

      September 27, 2011 at 5:11 am |
    • AGuest9

      @Credenza –

      According to the bible, Jesus was followed (and abandoned as a trouble-maker when things got rough). His brother James hatched a plan, and after Jesus was sacrificed for "the cause", James' powerbase increased. He sent the disciples to foreign countries, including Peter (who obviously wasn't in charge of the church, if he was taking orders from James) to Rome, where Peter was later killed. The Chrstians in Rome went into the catacombs, but they weren't the only people told of this story, which got more bizarre as it went, including miracles and Jesus himself rising from the dead and perhaps being lifted into the sky a few weeks later. "John" was likely not at the foot of the cross, but James probably was, to be with his mother while his older brother died, and so that James could make him the first martyr for the cause.

      September 27, 2011 at 11:24 am |
    • Dave Davis

      God bless Josh, Credenza and all the other "smart ones" on here. And God bless America. My home sweet home.

      September 27, 2011 at 10:36 pm |
  16. Bo

    It seems like Justin Bieber must be invading atheist territory and they are like a disturbed nest of angry hornets don't like it, and they are going to attack anything around.

    September 26, 2011 at 4:39 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      As long as Justin Bieber doesn't attempt to make this nation a theocracy and to force everyone else to live according to his religious beliefs rather than the rule of law, I don't care if he worships sheep.

      September 26, 2011 at 5:14 pm |
    • AGuest9

      No, Tom Tom, the sheep worship him.

      September 26, 2011 at 5:44 pm |
    • Todd

      Baaaaaahh. Aguest9 -good one.

      September 26, 2011 at 8:35 pm |
    • herbert juarez

      Comparing atheist to insects is appropriate ,but not hornets .There are not enough atheists around to make a sustainable hive.God bless

      September 26, 2011 at 9:19 pm |
    • Kyle

      That's the beauty of being atheists. We're the only people on the planet that don't live in fear of Zeus or whoever. We are free to live as we wish without some ancient book making us feel as though our every move is being watched. Just FYI, that religion of yours came from other religions. It's not original.

      It is utterly amazing how many facts the religious are willing to ignore when they are presented. We don't need hives or a crutch to sustain ourselves.

      : )

      September 26, 2011 at 9:59 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      AGuest, I bow to your superior wit.

      And herbie, I fart on your inferior wit.

      September 26, 2011 at 10:42 pm |
    • HisImitator1

      @Kyle-
      But, if you think about it, atheists actually have no worth. According to what you believe, you are basically just a coincidence because of how you were created. A mere mixture of organic molecules that came together and miraculously made a living creature. You live how you want but then you just die.

      September 27, 2011 at 9:09 am |
    • AGuest9

      @HisImitator1 – Yes – BLOOP – the lights go out, the brain stops and you start to decompose, just like every other living thing. It doesn't matter if you believe in something bigger than you, because it doesn't change a thing in the end.

      September 27, 2011 at 11:28 am |
    • herbert juarez

      @guest
      Sounds like you are posting from personal experience.How is that decomposing thing working out for you?God bless

      September 27, 2011 at 8:12 pm |
    • Dave Davis

      Bro. Herbie, I loved that lil' jibe 'bout the hornets....God bless America as well as all His people everywhere.

      September 27, 2011 at 10:39 pm |
  17. adam

    To all those out there who think a belief in God is a demonstration of ignorance...

    1. What's the cause of the universe? .. A. The universe has no beginning and therefore doesn't need a cause, or B. The universe came into existence uncaused.

    2. What's the explanation for the existence of moral duties and values? A. Morality is only a figment of our imagination and doesn't really exist, or B... wait a minute, it has to be A if God doesn't exist.

    Would love to hear people's opinions back to this.

    Ps: Humanism isn't morality. What's to say Hitler's humanist beliefs are "wrong" and other's are "right". Morality is based on the existence of objective truths. Without God, objective truths don't exist.

    September 26, 2011 at 4:37 pm |
    • Alfonzo Muchanzo

      Seems to me like lots of people like to live in their own ways and not report to a higher power. Let's face it, we all do it to a degree (i.e. sinning), the difference being; A) Christians recognize that we are sinners and therefore are guilty, hence needing a Savior, b) atheists believe they are completely fine as is, and thus live life according to their feeling and not necessary any absolute rights or wrongs.

      September 26, 2011 at 4:49 pm |
    • The Jackdaw

      1. I do not think that the lack of complete scientific understanding of the beginning or end of the universe, or anything else, immediately implies the need for a deity or the supernatural. Science is the tool used by those who want to explore and learn. Nobody says that science gains the answers immediately. It is a process, a quest. Religion is stagnant and I have personally found that its explanations fall far short of satisfaction.
      2. Morality exists because without it, societies crumble. Morality can be witnessed in the animal kingdom, although it is a simpler version, as are their social networks. I’m willing to say that apes to not worship a messiah. Humans are a social creature. Society and morality is a byproduct of this. It is wrong to assume that morality has to stem from the divine. I think that there are many atheists out there who live very moral lives. One does not preclude the other. As Arthur C. Clark said, “it is a shame that morality has been hijacked by religion”.

      September 26, 2011 at 4:50 pm |
    • ThinkForYourself

      Morality arises necessarily when a species forms a civilization and needs set rules in order to function properly. No higher power needed. We can see primitive forms of morals in other species. It's an evolutionary process. And no, senior Muchanzo, athiest don't feel everyone is perfect the way they are. Nor do we go about doing whatever we please just because we want to. Such thinking is ignorant and short sighted. One doesn't need a god, or threat (hell) or carrot at the end of a stick (heaven) to be a good person. No deity is required to see that, for example, murder is bad. This really isn't all that hard and I don't get why so many believers are unable to open their eyes and see this.

      September 26, 2011 at 4:54 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Thinkfor, excellent post. Those who think god is necessary for moral behavior ignore the fact that millions of people in the world don't believe in god and are quite moral and ethical. Religion doesn't enforce morality; if it did, there would be no believers in prison.

      September 26, 2011 at 5:17 pm |
    • GodPot

      "1. What's the cause of the universe? .. A. The universe has no beginning and therefore doesn't need a cause, or B. The universe came into existence uncaused."

      You forgot:

      C. The universe came into existence from a low probability event

      D. The universe doesn't really exist and we are all just playing out simulation events in what we might percieve as a giant supercomputer.

      E. Nothing has a begining or end.

      F. Everything has a begining and end.

      G. The universe began when a purple snoot sneezed snot from his snose all over the snow.

      Here is the point to remember Adam: Your attempt to use logic to make sense of the illogical is, well, stupid. You cannot claim that nothing comes from nothing so there must be a God who created everything without explaining where he came from, thereby taking you back to the starting point of nothign comes from nothing. The equation would look like this:

      Y > X when X = A+Y but A-X = YB

      Universe = X
      God = Y
      Existence = A
      Non-existence = B

      September 26, 2011 at 8:00 pm |
    • Kyle

      Ignorance is also known as faith. You know, when you have faith in a book that has proven itself to be false on multiple accounts. Like the bible.

      September 26, 2011 at 8:20 pm |
    • Todd

      adam, you aren't really that stupid are you? Troll.

      September 26, 2011 at 8:36 pm |
    • Credenza

      Well said Adam.
      Unfortunately these people of limited ability can't seem to think 'outside the box'. They're very limited, and completely bewildered by words of more than 2 syllables. Bless!

      September 27, 2011 at 2:52 am |
    • AGuest9

      It's sad to see posts of this sort, as people who obviously only find truth in their minds from within the confines of a single, ancient text. I've posted the origins of the earth and the universe so many times to the ignorant (and obviously illiterate) in these fora that I am tired of trying to educate them. If you weren't intelligent enough to take biology and physics in high school and college (and only look for the meaning of life in a sermon on Sunday mornings and a bronze age book), I can't educate you now. Furthermore, if you can only find logic and values in that same old book, I'm sorry that you are unable to broaden your horizons. The loss is your's alone.

      September 27, 2011 at 11:42 am |
  18. whatsthebigidea?

    Dibs to him that people enjoy his music. He probably would still be doing music even if he was not successful. I would like to point out that he is Christian and why is everyone freaking out? A lot of people are Christians. A lot of people are atheist. Atheists try to convince Christians there is no God, Christians try to save atheists from hell. It is a kind gesture from both parties. Someone has to be wrong though! Scary thought.

    September 26, 2011 at 4:36 pm |
    • claybigsby

      "Someone has to be wrong though!"

      or maybe everyone is wrong....

      September 26, 2011 at 5:11 pm |
    • Kyle

      I'd rather be wrong. I doubt the heaven of the caveman bible has internet access.

      September 26, 2011 at 9:11 pm |
    • JF

      I don't understand why Christians want to be right. How can anyone be overjoyed about becoming a slave? Why would anyone want to be a slave to such an hateful deity?

      September 26, 2011 at 11:21 pm |
    • Credenza

      Kylle, you say you'd rather be wrong?

      Well it's your lucky day, you've been wrong at least 7 times here already!

      September 27, 2011 at 2:55 am |
  19. camel_ryder

    Give the kid a break, it's amazing to me you are actually taking the time and effort to comment with negative condecending words against him or his religion. No one put a gun to your head and forced you to read the darn thing. Besides if you are an athiest, did you ever ask yourself "What if" God exited. think about that. God bless

    September 26, 2011 at 4:32 pm |
    • claybigsby

      Being christian....have you ever ask yourself "what if" (your) god didn't exist?

      September 26, 2011 at 5:10 pm |
    • Alfonzo Muchanzo

      @clay – Why yes I have, quite often actually. That's what led me to dig deeper and do more research, which then led me to Christ.

      September 26, 2011 at 5:21 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      @camel_ryder

      I'm pretty sure no god ever existed, but I am waiting for the myth of god to exit society, as you suggested.

      September 26, 2011 at 5:23 pm |
    • Kyle

      When I was a christian, I dug deeper, did my research, and found that that the god of the bible does not exist. The bible itself proves itself to be quite contradictory and full of holes. Alfonzo, have you actually ever read the bible? If you did, then I'm surprised that you could possibly believe in any of it.

      September 26, 2011 at 8:24 pm |
    • herbert juarez

      @kyle
      Sounds like what you were digging in ,was pretty foul i.e . excrement.I doubt you were ever an actual Christian, but hey it makes the lies of your post more impressive,at least to self ordained atheist types.God bless
      p.s. Do note that the g in God is capitalized.That simple omission in your post shows your whole post to be a fraud.

      September 26, 2011 at 8:36 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      herbie, there are no gods so no need for inappropriate capitalization, and in any event, anyone who is not a member of your cult is not subject to your silly rules.

      September 26, 2011 at 9:10 pm |
    • Kyle

      Herb, would you capitalize the "Z" in "Zeus?" That one is a myth too. And more believable. Beside, if it weren't for Zeus and the Greeks, you wouldn't have your precious christianity, which by the way is also not worth recognizing with a capital "C."

      September 26, 2011 at 9:13 pm |
    • herbert juarez

      @kyle
      We have already established that you are a fraud and a liar.Where do you expect we could go from there?God bless

      September 26, 2011 at 9:36 pm |
    • Kyle

      Actually, jesus was a fraud and a liar.

      http://ebonmusings.org/atheism/2000years.html

      I somehow doubt you'll have the courage to read it. Most christians would rather live in fear of the magical magician sky-hostess that never shows it's face than question the obvious lies of the bible.

      September 26, 2011 at 10:09 pm |
    • JF

      Kyle is a liar? Great point there Herb. You're so convincing. God less.

      September 26, 2011 at 11:08 pm |
    • Credenza

      @Kyle – You mean "When you THOUGHT you were a Christian"

      If you are a True Christian , even when you ask questions, you could NEVER give it up.

      Funny how lapsed so-called Christians are always the most bitter and profane?

      September 27, 2011 at 2:59 am |
    • Nurse143

      @clay – if you believe in nothing after death, and upon death you were right, neither of us never knows. If you don't belive in God/Heaven and we die and prove I was right to believe (because I am) then our eternities will have far different destinations. I'm praying you rethink it.

      September 27, 2011 at 4:52 pm |
  20. adam

    The gay agenda must really be taking off for there to be so many little girls in love with another little girl.

    September 26, 2011 at 4:27 pm |
    • blah

      good one

      September 26, 2011 at 5:56 pm |
    • ksnm

      Oh Adam, say that in front of the little girls parents. That would be fun. Blah can be your Court Jester. Follow the Bieb around on his Latin American tour which begins later this month. Several over 50,000 venues. You'd be a hoot.

      September 26, 2011 at 8:02 pm |
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