U.S. condemns Iranian pastor's conviction
Pastor Youcef Nadarkhani shown in an Iranian prison.
September 29th, 2011
06:58 AM ET

U.S. condemns Iranian pastor's conviction

By Dan Merica, CNN

Washington (CNN) - The White House Thursday condemned the conviction of an Iranian pastor, who may be executed in Tehran for refusing to recant his religious beliefs and convert from Christianity to Islam.

Pastor Youcef Nadarkhani "has done nothing more than maintain his devout faith, which is a universal right for people," a White House spokesman said in a statement. "That the Iranian authorities would try to force him to renounce that faith violates the religious values they claim to defend, crosses all bounds of decency and breaches Iran's own international obligations."

The United States Commission on International Religious Freedom, an independent advisory group appointed by the president and Congress to monitor religious freedom around the world, Wednesday expressed "deep concern" for Nadarkhani, the head of a network of Christian house churches in Iran.

After four days of an appeals trial for apostasy, Nadarkhani refused to recant his beliefs, the commission said. Chairman Leonard Leo said the pastor "is being asked to recant a faith he has always had. Once again, the Iranian regime has demonstrated that it practices hypocritical barbarian practices."

While the trial is closed to the press, Leo said the commission collects information from sources in Iran and around the world.

The commission's statement also called the trial a sham and said Iran is violating the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, to which it is a party.

"A decision to impose the death penalty would further demonstrate the Iranian authorities' utter disregard for religious freedom, and highlight Iran's continuing violation of the universal rights of its citizens," the White House statement said. "We call upon the Iranian authorities to release Pastor Nadarkhani and demonstrate a commitment to basic, universal human rights, including freedom of religion."

Nadarkhani was first sentenced to death in November 2010, the commission said, and in order to avoid the death penalty, he is being asked to recant his beliefs and convert to Islam. Leo said an apostasy trial is rare in Iran; the last occurred in 1990.

Iran's claim stems from the pastor's Muslim parents. According to Leo, the court needed to verify if Nadarkhani had ever been a Muslim. In order to be given what Iran claims is the opportunity to recant his beliefs, Nadarkhani must have never been a Muslim before the age of 15, Leo said.

Because he was given the opportunity during the four-day trial, it is apparent that the Iranian court found he was never a Muslim and therefore Nadarkhani could have converted.

According to a source close to the situation within the Commission on International Religious Freedom, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, the Supreme Leader of Iran, would have to sign off on the execution. Speaking on the condition of anonymity because of the subject's sensitivity, the source said such cases in Iran are difficult because of the lack of transparency in leaders' decision-making.

The source also said that in the past, political prisoners have had their prison time and punishment reduced by the Iranian government. Though they did not say that was guaranteed in this situation, the source indicated it was a possibility.

The American Center for Law and Justice, a right-leaning organization founded by television evangelist Pat Robertson, reported Wednesday night that Nadarkhani's death sentence had been overturned, meaning that the pastor would be receiving a lesser punishment. They sourced the claim to someone in Iran.

Those reports could not be independently verified by CNN. The Permanent Mission of the Islamic Republic of Iran in the United Nations failed to comment on the ruling.

Jordan Sekulow, executive director of the ACLJ, said the outcry from Christians in America has been loud and sustained.

"American Christians, like never before, are engaged in this," Sekulow said. "This is evidence that Christians in America over the past decade have done a better job engaging in the persecution issue."

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Christianity • Iran

soundoff (2,425 Responses)
  1. JOE

    The Curan burning lunatic in Florida should be the one on trial for causing the deaths of innocent people in Afghanistan in retaliation for his outrageous behavior. Maybe the US can do a swap and send the inconsiderate idiot to Tehran for trial.

    September 29, 2011 at 2:50 pm |
    • sadstate

      What? The US gives people to the freedom to say and believe whatever they want to believe, no matter how much you disagree with it. Iran sentences you to death for doing that. Your comment is ridiculous, ignorant, and irrelevant. Please go back into your basement, and let the adults talk.

      September 29, 2011 at 2:56 pm |
    • Hannah

      So it's the koran burning pastor's fault that Islam punishes apostasy with death and the Iranian regime is acting out that mandate? You, Joe, are crazy! The koran burning pastor was protesting this in his koran burning protest.

      September 29, 2011 at 5:48 pm |
    • GAW

      @ sadstate Some of what Joe says may very well be true. Terry Jones knew full well that there would be a backlash from Muslims that would case the deaths of many due to his Qu'ran burning sessions. I love freedom of speech but not to the point of yelling FIRE in a crowded theater. Freedom of speech should never trump responsibility.

      September 29, 2011 at 6:43 pm |
    • Robert

      @ GAW, so you are saying if Muslims do something that makes somebody mad, and that somebody kills you just because you happen to be near them, that the Muslims, not your killer, are responsible for your murder?

      September 30, 2011 at 3:18 am |
    • ?????

      Freedom of speech and expression. If i feel liket you should be allowed to burn the koran or bible. U dont see christians blowing themselves up when people burn the bible why do muslims always have to be so crazy and radical. I thought this was a free country

      September 30, 2011 at 10:08 am |
    • Trent

      So what was the Islamic worlds excuse for executing "apostates" and spreading terror prior to Terry Jones? If I remember correctly, the pastor didn't even go through with the Quran burning....

      September 30, 2011 at 11:18 am |
  2. K3Citizen

    How do you think Iran gets its income? It holds Americans hostage until it pays the ransom.

    September 29, 2011 at 2:50 pm |
    • RightSaidFred

      So... according to your post... this year (so far) Iran's gross national income will be one million dollars... what nonsense you talk. It's comments like yours that bring America (Americans) down to their (Iran's) level of thought and action. Grow up.

      September 29, 2011 at 4:00 pm |
    • Answer

      "How do you think Iran gets its income? It holds Americans hostage until it pays the ransom."

      These are the only type of comments that evangelists can express on other nationalities. Denounce them.
      To get people to look at hate and spread it. The typical atti-tude you would expect. No tolerance at all.

      September 29, 2011 at 4:47 pm |
    • James

      Re Answer: I agree it would be silly to think Iran's only source of income is from holding Americans hostage, but you've lost me with the "no tolerance" comment. K3Citizen is saying that the Iranian government is doing a BAD thing by holding this pastor and threatening to kill him. Is he intolerant for not tolerating the religious intolerance? Have you fallen down the PC rabbit hole? I suppose this type of action is just part of the beautiful Iranian culture and helps make the world a wonderful, diverse place to live.

      September 30, 2011 at 3:52 am |
  3. Truth

    Islam just doesn't have a lot good things going for it these days. A lot of killing innocent people...let's hope this doesn't actually happen.

    September 29, 2011 at 2:50 pm |
    • Cannonball

      Just like Christianity. Christians/Muslims have been killing each other for 2000 years and others stuck in the middle. Makes it very uncomfortable for us sane people. Lets not forget the evidents, Spanish inquisition, Christian Crusaders of the middle ages, Salem, Iraq war just to name a few. All in the name of God. Save me Jebus (Homer Simpson).

      September 29, 2011 at 3:07 pm |
    • Truth

      I guess you missed the part where I said "these days". And thanks for the reminder....Islam has never had anything good going for it.

      September 29, 2011 at 3:21 pm |
    • reader1

      @Cannonball: And I suppose atheists like Hitler, Ghengis Khan and Mao Zedong are the examples we should follow.

      September 29, 2011 at 3:32 pm |
    • RightSaidFred

      Amen, Cannonball. Amen. Well put.

      September 29, 2011 at 4:02 pm |
    • Chuckles


      Hitler = Catholic, Ghengis = Anamist, Mao = Communist, but I guess if you want to get technical, he was an atheist, then again he didn't bring china under atheist rule, it was communist rule.

      Please try again.

      September 29, 2011 at 4:05 pm |
    • SconnieGuz

      Mentally challenged people like Cannonball drive me crazy.....are there hordes of christians killing in the name of Christ anywhere on the planet?? Are people being beheaded and stoned to death for not being a christian? Are there christians blowing themselves up in crowded markets full of innocent people while saying "Praise Christ?" Are christians ANYWHERE ON THE PLANET forcing people to convert to chrisitanity or killing them for their refusal????? Stop living in the past morons and quit acting like christian terrorism, murder and misery is anywhere near on par with the madness of islam.

      September 29, 2011 at 4:21 pm |
    • Mr Jimmy

      @SconnieGuz Oh, please. A Christian telling us to stop living in the past. Don't even think of going there.

      September 29, 2011 at 4:37 pm |
    • Cannonball

      I guess you missed the part were I said, 'Iraq war".

      September 29, 2011 at 4:39 pm |
    • Cannonball

      Hitler said in Mein Kampf that he was put on the earth for a divine purpose. Sounds like he is one of yours.

      September 29, 2011 at 4:43 pm |
    • Cannonball

      Just to be completely clear, all religion is BS.

      September 29, 2011 at 4:46 pm |
    • Answer


      The only reason you evangelists bring up Hitler is because you do not want the bad association. You think you can push this blame onto others and remake history. It isn't gonna happen. Hitler was your buddy.
      You lot can never face it facts head on – that has always been the truth – and it will never change.

      Being a christian has always been about "Don't bother me with actual facts." Glad you morons continue with this premise to show us your true selves.

      September 29, 2011 at 4:54 pm |
    • SconnieGuz

      I'm not a christian mrjimmy. I live in reality thank you very much. I'm smart enough to realize that THESE DAYS christianity and islam ARE NOT ALIKE. And Cannonball....we are not in Iraq for religious reasons. We're in Iraq because George W Bush, Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney put us there. Feel free to come and take them away.

      September 29, 2011 at 5:05 pm |
    • RightSaidFred

      @ Truth You want truth... Any historian will tell you the real reason for the Christian Crusades.

      Europe in the 1100's was awash in hundreds of separate fiefdoms, each with it's own interests and needs. Since there was no real way of raising money to further their fortunes (no currency-no industry) the lords/landowners robbed and plundered their neighbors lands to obtain wealth. This plunder and revenge plunder went on for hundreds of years until Pope Urban II rather cleverly came up with a strategy to stop the warring that was threatening the Catholic Church’s very stability.

      The good pope decided that since all those overlords were armed to the teeth with weaponry, constantly on a war footing and, not inconsequentially, all "Christians" he had them direct their ire to the "Infidels" in Jerusalem in the form of the Christian Crusades. “Free the Holy City” was the new battle cry. Off to the east went the Christian warriors. The rest is history.

      So, there in a nutshell, there you have the origins for the crusades against the Arab world.

      As a little sidelight, at that point in history Europe was still in the troughs of the Dark/Middle ages. The Islamic/mid-eastern countries were infinitely more advanced in trade, science, mathematics and overall quality of life. Through interaction with the mid east during those long years of the Crusade’s, traders bought back with them the knowledge that eventually took the continent of Europe out of the Middle Ages and into the Renaissance era.

      September 29, 2011 at 5:50 pm |
    • Cannonball

      @ Scunnieguz, You are completely and utterly delusional in so many ways. The Christian right elected Mr. Bush back for a second term. I saw the support he receive from the Christian right on media networks, open form conversations, evangelical Pastors supporting Mr. Bush but what was most disgusting was the religions fervour that most of you god fearing Christians displayed. Complete indignant righteousness'. Arrogant to say the least. Now that Mr. Bush's poor judgement is common knowledge you do not want to except responsibility for the Iraq war. Typical but I'm sorry your not going to get away with it. History knows. Don't forget, he prayed to god before he invaded Iraq. When the war drum started to beat the Christian right was leading the march. Take responsibility. Good for you for being so intelligent.

      September 29, 2011 at 9:28 pm |
    • Lennonist

      Nothing to kill or die for
      And no religion too
      Imagine all the people
      Living life in peace..

      September 29, 2011 at 10:17 pm |
  4. Roscoe Chait

    It seems that religion is, in many countries, a form of population control. "Believe the way I believe or you will be executed." Imagine the millions of worthwhile and wonderful people over the centuries who were murdered because of religion. I wonder what the world would be like if all religions ceased to exist and they were replaced by respect, consideration and kindness toward our fellow human beings.

    September 29, 2011 at 2:49 pm |
    • sadstate

      I wonder what the world would be like if lollipops grew on trees, and pumpkin pie rained from the sky, and we just danced all day instead of having jobs. I'm sure it would be great. Problem is, its not real. And neither is your wish...so get used to it.

      September 29, 2011 at 2:53 pm |
    • Phalanx

      Well said!

      September 29, 2011 at 2:57 pm |
    • LUNA

      Roscoe you may want to join the NEW AGE MOVEMENT.

      September 29, 2011 at 5:17 pm |
    • neuwest1

      Hey Dude – you live in the USA. The walls of Congress say "In God We Trust" as does the money in your pocket.

      There's a good reason why we are Christians, Buddhists, Mormons, Athiests, etc. and all getting along. Religious freedom as a right decided by men who had a Christian influence.

      September 29, 2011 at 7:49 pm |
  5. sadstate

    It's amazing how many comments are about the evils of religion in general, when very few have the courage to say what it actually is. Ask yourself this...how many modern day Christians sentence people to death for converting? Those who say religion in general is to blame are cowards.

    September 29, 2011 at 2:49 pm |
    • kabuli

      Yes maybe Fareed has an answer for this?

      September 29, 2011 at 2:54 pm |
    • Ohio

      Perhaps it is not religion that is to blame, but rather those who use religion in the political arena in order to utilize the ignorance of the devout masses. I worry that our country may experience its own problems if we elect a religious nutjob, such as Rick Perry, to the presidency

      September 29, 2011 at 3:00 pm |
    • Mark

      Very true people don't realize that Christianity is a peaceful religion and that we don't care what you believe in. All Christians are not trying to convert everyone and like you said don't kill people for not believing in Jesus. It is not religion it is the radical people of all religions who are the problem.

      September 29, 2011 at 3:01 pm |
    • Sean

      You hit the nail on the head by saying "modern day"... how many non christians were killed in years past though by people who wouldn't convert to Christianity? Iran is just behind the times.

      September 29, 2011 at 3:16 pm |
  6. Josh

    Now do you commend the pastor's conviction...and condemn the Iranians for what they've done by convicting him? I was expecting a completely different story...that being said....i'm glad he is standing by his beliefs...shows good character.

    September 29, 2011 at 2:48 pm |
  7. George

    Religion will be the death of us all.

    September 29, 2011 at 2:45 pm |
    • Wilfred Camilleri

      No. What will be the death of you is your statement. Please speak for yourself. You certainly don't speak for me or billions of Christians!

      September 29, 2011 at 2:57 pm |
    • Sean

      Agreed... no matter if you believe in Religion or not.. considering christians beleive in the "final days and wraith" it will be the death of us all 🙂

      September 29, 2011 at 3:18 pm |
    • WilfredC


      Agreed... no matter if you believe in Religion or not and whether you believe that science can explain and solve every problem or not, in the end everyone on this earth must die.

      September 29, 2011 at 4:01 pm |
    • Chuckles


      You have an awful lot amount of anger for someone who believes the meek will inherit the earth. Careful now or else you'll lose the right to play the "victim card" that all atheists are so mean and only pick on christians when all they're about is love, right?

      September 29, 2011 at 4:03 pm |
    • LUNA

      George trying getting SAVED then you wouldn't have to worry. The pastor isn't worried, his reward awaits him in paradise. This pastor is a good example of not being a coward, that he is willing to give up his life for the LORD. May JESUS CHRIST protect this good man. His enemies shall be put under his feet as a foot stool.

      September 29, 2011 at 5:24 pm |
    • CJP

      False religion that is.

      September 29, 2011 at 6:04 pm |
  8. BossDaley

    yes yes very bad but- when did we earn the right to condemn anyone else's system of justice?

    September 29, 2011 at 2:45 pm |
    • LostinSLC

      Actually the world has spoken. This day and age do we really force a man to death based on what God he worships? Iran's hardline is going to be their downfall.
      How many Christians look to kill someone for leaving church or not converting....ummmmmmmmm zero? Face it, radical Islam is akin to being a Satanist.

      September 29, 2011 at 2:48 pm |
    • Thomas

      It is called being a human being. This is wrong and to suggest our problems is any kind of justification is plain sick on your part.

      September 29, 2011 at 3:58 pm |
    • Answer

      Iran is playing by their rules. You want them to change – then have a meaningful discussion with them.

      September 29, 2011 at 4:57 pm |
  9. LostinSLC

    Peaceful Muslims at work again..oh wait

    September 29, 2011 at 2:43 pm |
  10. ?


    September 29, 2011 at 2:28 pm |
  11. He is Lord

    "For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name,

    so that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth,

    and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."

    Philippians 2:9-11 (NASB)

    September 29, 2011 at 2:25 pm |
    • Cannonball

      To believe in god is insane and to die for one is absolutly nonsense.

      September 29, 2011 at 2:50 pm |
    • WilfredC

      @ Cannonball What is really insane is atheism! And to die being an atheist is not only absolute nonsense, but extreme ignorance!

      September 29, 2011 at 3:05 pm |
    • Ohio

      Athiests do not feel the need to have their lives dictated by barbaric human practices rather than the true religion, science

      September 29, 2011 at 3:15 pm |
    • LUNA

      Yes he is LORD and has Risen. It's too bad that all these anti-christians are blinded by their education. Yes JESUS did say that in the Last Days many unbelivers will deny him, and many shall perish because they did not know the truth, nor did they try to find it. All you JESUS bashers can say all you want, but in the end you shall know that he is the LORD. Amen

      September 29, 2011 at 5:31 pm |
  12. Bo

    @David Johnson I was going to make a long reply to you and what you had to say to HeavenSent, but as I thought about I had another thought: why spend the time with someone who is so determind not to believe. I will only say, there are many things diffiicult to understand i the Bible, yes some things not understood or proven, but I'm not going to throw away my faith just because I don't understand. That would be foolish. It is lkke should I reject the use of a computer just because I don't understand it? Should I reject all Heaven just because I don't understand all the Bible or because it can't be proven. Should I be that foolish, no thank you I will believe, Heaven has too much to offer to throw it away.

    September 29, 2011 at 2:23 pm |
    • lols

      Your argument is invalid when you are comparing something that can be proven, researched and taken apart to know the exact workings, to something that has zero facts, zero physical evidence, zero ANYTHING BUT A BOOK THAT SAYS WORDS.

      September 29, 2011 at 2:42 pm |
    • Jesus is God

      That's so not true, lols. There has been so much of the Bible proven to be true that archeologists (non-believers and beleivers) use it as a start to discovering lost civilizations. In fact, there is not one prophesy or anything else written in the Bible that can be proven to be untrue. Not one.

      September 29, 2011 at 2:52 pm |
    • ?

      @JIG: "there is not one prophesy or anything else written in the Bible that can be proven to be untrue. Not one."

      Who told you that?

      September 29, 2011 at 3:14 pm |
    • Jesus is God

      Yep, that's about the only comeback you got.

      September 29, 2011 at 3:33 pm |
    • LetsThink123

      @Jesus is God
      you said, "In fact, there is not one prophesy or anything else written in the Bible that can be proven to be untrue. Not one."
      you are wrong. But i want just say u r wrong, i can prove it. here are some unfullied biblical prophecies (there r much more):
      Check out these failed prophecies from old Isaiah: Source: faithskeptic.50megs.com/prophecies.htm

      Isaiah 17:1 The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from being a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap.
      Damascus is still inhabited today with over a million people, and hardly a ruinous heap.

      Isaiah 19:4-5 And the Egyptians will I give over into the hand of a cruel lord; and a fierce king shall rule over them, saith the Lord, the LORD of hosts. And the waters shall fail from the sea, and the river shall be wasted and dried up.
      The river mentioned here is the Nile. The Nile is still one of Egypt's greatest natural resource.

      Isaiah 19:18 In that day shall five cities in the land of Egypt speak the language of Canaan, and swear to the LORD of hosts; one shall be called, The city of destruction.
      The Canaanite language has never been spoken in Egypt, and is now an extinct.

      Isaiah 52:1 Awake, awake; put on thy strength, O Zion; put on thy beautiful garments, O Jerusalem, the holy city: for henceforth there shall no more come into thee the uncirc_umcised and the unclean.
      There are uncirc_umcised people living in Jerusalem even today.

      There u go! A nice comeback dont u think? Waiting for ur response!

      and another thing, u agree that the sun is much older than the earth right? this is proven in science.
      But in genesis, god created the earth on the first day, and then created the sun on the fourth day.
      Genesis 1-2: And the earth was without form, and void
      Genesis 1-16: And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
      god made a mistake? why did god get it wrong? a genesis story where even god did not created the celestial bodies in the right order, and u believe that ALL this gods supposed prophecies r true?

      September 29, 2011 at 4:43 pm |
    • Jesus is God

      123, I think you need to get your Bible verses out of the Bible and not some athiest website. Then maybe you could see the real truth. Some of the verses you post are not even what the Bible actually says.
      Two-thirds of Bible prophesy has been fulfilled and the other one-third is still to come.
      I believe the world was formed just like the Bible says it was. The Bible talks about things like the Earth being round and the expansion of the universe way before modern scientist figured it out. I will agree that YE stance has problems but let's just agree to admit that the old earthers have problems, too. Like the recession of the moon, the magnetic fields of the planets, spiral galaxies, etc, etc.
      I will be praying that Yousef will be spared having to die for his belief in the Living God but I can rest assured that if they kill him he will be welcomed into the arms of a God who loves us all.

      September 29, 2011 at 5:05 pm |
    • LetsThink123

      you said, "Like the recession of the moon, the magnetic fields of the planets, spiral galaxies, etc, etc."
      hahaha. why is that a problem. atleast scientists r trying to figure it out and not just saying 'god did it!' (the worst answer to any question is god did it). if we dont know we will figure it out. Because we dont know how everything in the universe works yet, does it invalidate the FACT that the sun is older than the earth? NO! so ur bible got it wrong. plain and simple.

      September 29, 2011 at 6:15 pm |
    • Diane Gates

      Right on, yes and ME TOO! The need to prove my faith dissipated years ago. It might have something to do with "RIGHTS OF PASSAGE". Have you ever had an suffered delerium, hallucinations or had an apparition? Have you ever been with a close friend and you hear "are you seeing what i'm seeing?". uh huh. Thank God I thought I was going nuts. Had a dream you just can't shake etc...." I've lived and learned from fools and from sages."... I feel better with instruction/guidelines. I take my cues from God. I don't always adher and yet they keep coming and the sign said..."the words of the prophet are written on the subway wall, Tell them all"...In closing; when I transition? take my brave journey? cross over? kick the bucket , bite the dust etc; and as I swing by I will whisper in their ears, saying "it's all tru, everything they taught is true!

      September 29, 2011 at 9:12 pm |
    • Jesus is God

      The fact that there are spiral galaxies clearly shows that the earth could not possibly be billions of years old. This is according to science. I'm not just saying "I don't understand it so God must have done it." Science teaches that in a spiral galaxy, the "arms" will eventually go around so much that they will no longer be able to be seen as arms. It will just look like one big cloud. This would not take even a few million years, let alone 4 billion. This is science, sorry to break it to you. Science says that carbon 14 do not last very long, which is what carbon dating is founded around. Yet we find carbon 14 inside diamonds that are suppose to take millions of years to form And don't come back with the classic "Diamonds are made up of carbon." I'm talking specifically carbon 14. There are plenty of scientist that are not buying Darwinian evolution and billions of years and not all of them are Christian. Check out David Berlinski, a non believer, and tell me what you find faulty with his credetials. You don't get to just claim science for the athiests. Science was founded by Christians who believed in a rational God who created everything and speculated that God would make it possible to figure out scientific theories and they were right! Please don't pretend like your camp has it all figured out. and neither will I.

      September 29, 2011 at 10:12 pm |
    • LetsThink123

      @Jesus is God
      you said, "The fact that there are spiral galaxies clearly shows that the earth could not possibly be billions of years old."
      do u know that the age of the earth is not based off just spiral galaxies, but also based off carbon dating, potassium-argon dating, potassium-potassium dating (highly accurate), and igneous rock dating. All these different, independent, dating methods point to exactly the same timeframe (billions of years). how do u explain that this? r u saying that ALL of these dating methods r wrong in order to support your fairytale?
      fyi, hubble's constant is used to figure out the age of the universe based on the brightness of cephied variable stars in a cluster. the current age is set at 13.8 billion yrs. If the constant changes, yes, this would mean that the universe's age would change. But it would not change to merely 1000s of yrs. LOL!
      How do u explain that we can see light from stars billions of light yrs away? this means that the universe has been around for billions of yrs! get it?
      all u have figured out is excuses to keep your creation myth alive, when it has obviously failed. here's something i'll show u where your creation myth contradicts itself:
      Genesis Chapter 1 says the man and woman were created at the same time, and after the animals. But genesis chapter 2 insists the man was created first, then the animals (to look for a "help meet" for the man), and then the woman. Also, according to genesis chapter 1, the winged fowl were created out of the water. But genesis chapter 2 declares they were formed out of the ground.
      Can you explain these contradictions made by your holy god in his holy book? Why can't god make up his mind on the order of his creations?

      September 30, 2011 at 12:27 pm |
  13. eric

    Interesting point to the story is that he's on trial for apsotasy, not heresy. Meaning that, in the eyes of Iranian law at least, he's a convert and not a born christian. And that's a legal issue in many countries, not just Iran. Even some of the more "moderate" countries like Malaysia and Indonesia will let you do your thing and go to whatever church you want – provided you weren't born muslim. If you were, then you're in whole heaps of trouble as an apostate.

    A point of legal trivia, perhaps, but one that's likely crucial to his defense.

    September 29, 2011 at 1:12 pm |
    • Answer

      Yes it simply is a matter of law. It's their law that they are using.

      September 29, 2011 at 5:00 pm |
  14. claybigsby

    Christians take notice....this is what would happen if the US had an established religion.

    September 29, 2011 at 12:58 pm |
    • Margroks

      Yes, that is exactly why the FOunding Fathers were so against a state religion.

      So when are the actual governments of these countries going to stand up to the unelected and unlegitimate religious police? It's shameful they allow religious zealots to control their citizens.

      September 29, 2011 at 2:45 pm |
    • Cando

      Who ever said we should or would want to?

      September 29, 2011 at 2:48 pm |
  15. Hypatia

    "We're gonna cut off his head because he doesn't believe in our Pie in the Sky." Yeah, that makes sense, if you're a complete brain-dead bottle of Autumn Fizz.

    September 29, 2011 at 12:42 pm |
    • claybigsby

      Who cares if it makes sense or not...its their country, let them run it the way they want.

      September 29, 2011 at 1:00 pm |
  16. when

    That proves you are completely insane or you believe in gods, David, if you laugh at them. I also noticed how you said in ond post, the other day, Jesus wasn't a real person, then in the next post you said, "Jesus is dead." Look, you either believe in him or you don't but make up your mind. You're just not making any sense.

    September 29, 2011 at 12:38 pm |
    • Answer

      It only proves that David can change his moods to suit the level of disgust for god. On any given god is dead. On any given day god simply does not exist. On any given day your pie in the sky is a delusion. These are all relevant criteria to say the same thing. Relating your delusion as false. Denying your preachings.

      'He' is a mule is also the same. The direct insult to your magical being. Any one form is suitable to deflect your disease of the mind.

      September 29, 2011 at 5:05 pm |
  17. David Johnson

    A wise man once said: "Religion poisons everything." – C. Hitchens

    All religion is false. None is worth dying or killing for.

    There is not one shred of evidence that any god exists. No, not one.

    Throw the Muslim and the Christian staff into a circle...and they both just lie there. One does not eat the other.

    Pray to Allah and Pray to the Christian god. Neither will respond.

    Am I wrong? Can any one of you post back to me, that their god's staff would indeed beat the ass of the other?

    Make 2 piles of wood! Douse them abundantly with water! Now ask each god to ignite the wet wood! Neither pile will ignite.

    You believers like to sit around and tell silly stories. A thousand miracles are done in your story telling.

    I laugh at your gods!


    September 29, 2011 at 12:18 pm |
    • GodBeliever

      David Johnson, I pray for that the Lord Jesus Christ would open your eyes to your lost condition and your need for a Savior.

      John 3:16-17: For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.

      I firmly believe that one day, you WILL bow before God and confess Him as Lord.
      It is written: "'As surely as I live,' says the Lord, 'every knee will bow before me; every tongue will confess to God.'" Roman 14:11.

      You can do it now before it is eternally too late, or do it during the judgement....but you WILL confess that Jesus is Lord one day.

      God Loves You, and I am Praying for you David Johnson!!!!!

      September 29, 2011 at 1:03 pm |
    • BRC

      Thank you, I've been wondering if that little gem was in scripture or something people amde up. There is a problem with it though. I can assure you, I will never declare either Jesus or "God" as my king. I like this country because I don't believe in kings. And I certainly would never pledge obesience to the "God" of the bible. SO, since I'm not going to o it willingly, is he going to force me? Doesn't that violate free will?

      September 29, 2011 at 1:07 pm |
    • JoeProfet

      David, that is very bold of you to speak out as you do and you seem like you've thought and sorted it all out, good for you. I just want to point out that there is very little depth in your statements as it takes virtually no faith what so ever to believe in something that you can plainly see in front of you. There is no need for faith, would you agree? To believe in something that you can see is quite irrelevent. It is a mute point, yes? So, if you have no belief in anything, or faith, then you are of a reprobate mind. Do you know what a reprobate mind is? It, basically, is a machine. It doesn't need to think, it just gathers facts and makes decisions based on facts alone. There is no intuition, no real thought there, it is a mindless process. Being a person of faith and having belief in something also comes with having some form of proof. No one that claims to have faith and believes in God is without proof. Their proof [our proof] comes from the substance of things hoped for, and the evidence of things not seen. It is a very difficult concept to grasp. It would apprear as nothing more then a lie or a myth to a person with a reprobate mind, such as yourself. Faith, belief, Christianity is not for everyone. Only some can grasp the concept. Only some have the depth to believe without seeing. Clearly, based on your words, you are not one who has that depth to believe without seeing. There is no fault nor shame in that. You can risk a prayer to the God you deny exists and ask for Him to open your heart to Him. But, if you choose not to, it continues to be your choice. Not all Christians are bad, just like not all atheists are bad, nor all muslims, etc. These are all just labels of how people choose to walk through life. None the less, we are all human and deserve at least a humans portion of respect for each other. If I met you tomorrow, I could respect you as a fellow human, no matter what your beliefs are or aren't; can you do the same? Christianity taught me that, not mankind. The study of God and learning the ways of His son the Messiah has taught me as a human being not to judge each other, to treat each other as I would treat myself, to not judge each other for the sins we commit, but to have pity, mercy, and forgiveness of each other. At least what is humanly possible to forgive. So you see, this is something that science or evolution does not teach because they both are derived from primarily folks with a reprobate mind. In the grand scheme of things, for me, Christianity and the study of the Bible explains the "why" to me about the creation of life, the purpose, etc. While science, of which I am a great fan of, makes wonderful attempts to explains the "how" things are formed or created. In my mind, they go hand in hand. I even think that God is pleased that scientists chase after His wisdom of "how" he created and formed things. Science is a marvelous thing, but it doesn't ever explain the "why" and that comes from a much more superior being called God who is the creator of the universe, of all that is seen and unseen. Sorry that you have such a bad taste in your mouth about Christians, but it takes a Christian to be able to look past your anymosity towards us and to still love, respect, and appreciate you as a fellow human being! Take care!

      September 29, 2011 at 1:09 pm |
    • Colin

      I assume you mean, it is a "moot point" not a point that cannot talk.

      More fundamentally, if you accept pure faith as a basis for believing in a god, you MUST be a pantheist, because faith leads equally to any of the thousands of gods we humans have come up with over the centuries.

      September 29, 2011 at 1:13 pm |
    • JoeProfet

      @ Colin, good on you, mate. I looked up pantheist and no, I'm not as it describes, but I did learn a new word and thank you for the correction on "moot" point! I always seem to mix that one up, but now I'm straigt on it. I have to say this about my belief in God, the one I believe is the "only" true living God. That is, of all of the other god's that I've studied about (several) the one Christian God seems to be the most ideal. The wisdom that is diseminated in the bible, in my opinion, could not be derived from man or other gods that are dead...like a god made of stone, wood, gold, etc. Those are inanimate gods and offer no value to a human. The one living God, does offer a path or set of ideas of how to survive this life, and yes, with a promise of an afterlife. Seems far fetched, doesn't it? But, what that promise means to me is hope of a life after this one. Without that hope, this life would seem to be so unimportant that it would have to spend the rest of my life pondering as to why this life spontaneously generated itself from an inanimate object! That seems like a total waste of time. So, if you don't believe in God, then what do you do? What is your purpose, Colin? Are you chasing your tail trying to figure out how life spontaneously appears from an inanimate object??? Good luck!

      September 29, 2011 at 1:40 pm |
    • GodBeliever

      @BRC...I do not have all the answers, but I can assure you, as I can assure David Johnson, that yes, you WILL bow before God one day and profess Jesus as Lord....the Bible is true, and one day, your eyes will be opened to that fact. I pray that you make that decision before it is eternally too late. Those who do not accept Jesus as their Savior await an eternity seperated from God...hell.

      @Joe, thank you for your courage to take a stand. Bless you my brother in Christ!

      September 29, 2011 at 2:35 pm |
    • BRC

      Thank you for responding. Unfortuantely since you don't appear to have any information, just baseless conjecture, I don't know that the conversation can go anywhere from here. I'd rather avoid a "yes-no-yes-no" back and forth, so I'll just say that I understand your assertion, but completely disagree with it. I have no intention of ever bowing to anyone; and since I'm me, I have much better odds of being right about my own actions than you. But, since it's not testable or verifiable, I guess it gets left at that.

      September 29, 2011 at 2:45 pm |
    • s767

      JoeProfet –

      Paragraphs are beautiful things.

      September 29, 2011 at 2:46 pm |
    • WilfredC

      @ David Johnson

      A wise man? C. Hitchens is a wise man? You're talking about Christopher Hitchens the atheist right? If you are, what C. Hitchens is a self-absorbed pompous ass!

      There is not one shred of evidence that God doesn't exists. No, not one. All atheists do is deny that God exists without providing one believable shred of evidence. They simply use rhetoric and fall back to the old misguided belief that science can prove everything. Of course we know that science doesn't prove everything. A recent discovery about the speed of light debunks Einstein's long-held theories that science has leaned on for many years now. Science is nowhere near to understanding what the Universe is all about and where it came from and cannot explain human existence and intelligence. All science shows is that they exist and scientists believe they know how the universe started: The so-called big bang theory. Of course they cannot explain where the energy and the elements involved in the big bang theory came from!

      You ask if you are wrong? Absolutely and unequivocally!

      You atheist like to sit around, tell silly stories, and repeat the same old tired arguments in an effort to convince yourselves that you are right and billions of believers are not.

      You may laugh at God but guess what? God will have the final say!

      September 29, 2011 at 3:21 pm |
    • WilfredC

      @BRC You may have no intention of ever bowing to anyone but you will! You're you of course but your odds of being right about your own actions is based on your beliefs or lack thereof. In the end, you will have no say on what happens to your soul and then you will have no way to act on the consequences of your lack of belief. But since you don't believe, this is a moot point!

      September 29, 2011 at 3:30 pm |
    • BRC

      I missed the part where you gave any greater shred of evidence that "God" was real. Care to recap it for me?

      Also, the "atheist like to sit around, tell silly stories, and repeat the same old tired arguments" comment is interesting, considering most atheist (at least here) spend their time asking questions and constantly seeking new answers and information to fill in teh steadily closing gaps about human existance and the universe that you pointed out. religion on teh other hand still tends to cling to "scriptures" that can be hundreds or thousands of years old, and provide no more infomration now than they did then. I haven;t seen what you're talking about with Einstein being wrong about the speed of light (there have been divergent theories about relativity, and he was not a proponent of quantum theory which is steadily gaining evidence and concievability); but how much information does the Bible give on either theory?

      You can have your god, I hope he comforts you. Many of us have no need of them, and the more science learns, and the farther we advance, the closer we can come to knowing how things came about. Science and inquisitive thought is getting us there. Religion would leave us sitting right where we were.

      September 29, 2011 at 3:35 pm |
    • BRC

      Maybe you can adress the original point, how can "God" make me bow if I choose not to and I have free will?

      September 29, 2011 at 3:36 pm |
    • WilfredC

      @ BRC

      I also missed the part where you gave any greater shred of evidence that "God" wasn't real. Care to recap it for me?

      Most atheist may spend their time asking questions and constantly seeking new answers and information to fill in the steadily widening gaps about human existence and the universe. Religion on the other hand will always rely on "scriptures" that can be hundreds or thousands of years old, and provide all the information that men needs to have. What I'm talking about regarding Einstein being wrong about the speed of light is CERN's latest discovery that they were able to break the theory that nothing can exceed the speed of light. Keep up with what your scientists are up to!!!

      You can have your atheism, I hope he comforts you as well. Billions have no need of it, and the more science learns, and the farther we advance, the closer we can come to knowing a minuscule about how things came about. You and billions of your ancestors, if this earth lasts that long, will not get humanity there.

      You ask how can "God" make you bow if you choose not to? That's why he gave us free will. While we are alive you can choose not to bow. But when we depart to the next world, you will bow!

      September 29, 2011 at 4:10 pm |
    • GodBeliever

      @ BRC – the Bible is not "baseless conjecture" as you may call it. It is the truth; you've read the scripture above and will one day be held accountable for your actions before an Almighty God. May God Bless you, and please know that you are prayed for by name! God Loves You!

      September 29, 2011 at 5:02 pm |
    • LUNA

      David Johnson GO AWAY!!!! Your possessed by DEMONS...

      September 29, 2011 at 5:38 pm |
    • BRC

      Excellent tactic for debate there, take my exact words, and change them ever so slightly, so they seem to equally support your side. Looks good if someone isn't really paying attention, and doesn't notice that the foundation of my statements doesn't support your use of them at all.

      Evidence, fine, prayer has never been proven effective. the Bible claims that "God" will do what is asked by the faithful, so why doesn't it work (I'm sticking to the Christian God here, I'm assuming you're asking me to discredit yours). While we're at it, your God is omniscient but contradictory, is omnipotent but there are things he "can't do" without a person's faith, and He all loving but is willing to eternally punish people for the simple act of using the brains you would claim he gave them. there 3 points that counter the Christian God. Not rhetoric as you said, but logic (perfect god can't be illogical). I welcome your retort and discussion. And if you wouldn't mind, provide 3 pieces of evidence that your God DOES exist (and not 3 things that have alternate real world explanations that you simply don't accept).

      In one really clever part you changed the word closing to widening, then in the same post you mentioned a discovery humans have made without the assistance of god to observe a behavior of particles smaller than atoms that we never would have thought possible before. Do you know what the scientific community will do with it? they will test the bejesus out of it, they will thoroughly vet the concept and then if it's confirmed, they will use it to springboard our understanding of physics even further than before.

      Do you know what would happen if this had been a find that contradicted several hundred year old scriptuer in a religious body? The discovery would very probably be suppressed, a massive schism could possibly occur, and even just a few decades ago the "heretic" would be excommunicated.

      SO, we've both confirmed that humans are learning and discovering more, I posit that we are gradually coming to understand the universe around us, and you claim that we never will because we cannot understand "God", despite the fact that we do. Fair enough.

      As for the bowing thing. You're saying that free will only applies on Earth, that once we die our souls are bound to the will of "God"? Can't say that I've ever heard that in canon, or professed by any religion ever, but if its true, keep your heaven, I like my will.

      September 29, 2011 at 6:00 pm |
    • BRC

      Sorry, but the Bible is conjecture until it can be proven. the baseless part came because you made an assumption about how I, a person you've never met, will act. Ergo, baseless conjecture. I've read plenty of scripture, and none of it has been more convincing than any part that came before. So, until there is evidence outside of the book, I'm not buying it.

      September 29, 2011 at 6:04 pm |
    • LetsThink123

      you said, "David Johnson GO AWAY!!!! Your possessed by DEMONS..."
      god/satan/demons do not exist. btw, is ur name LUNA short for LUNATIC? just curious.

      September 29, 2011 at 6:38 pm |
    • GodBeliever

      @BRC – you've said what you believe (or, rather, don't believe), and I've stated what I believe, and that's fine b/c we live in a country where we have freedom of speech and freedom of religion, unlike Youcef Nadarkhani, but I want to leave with one last thought...

      If I believe in God and place my faith in Jesus Christ, believing that He will save me from my sins and find out when this life on earth as we know it is over that there was no God, no Jesus, no Bible and that all I ever believed and trusted in was not true and never existed, then I've lost nothing...

      BUT, if I never believed in Jesus as my personal Savior, and at the end of this life as we know it, there really is a God – Yahweh-, there really was a sinless man that offered to save me from my sins named Jesus, but I never accepted Him, then I've lost everything....

      I don't gamble or play the lottery, but I think I would take my chances on the first. I think sometimes we try to know too much...like, we want to know all the answers before we believe. That is why we are to have FAITH , b/c we will never know all the answers, the why's, the how's, etc., this side of heaven. Jesus asks us to have faith like a child...it's that simple.

      I pray that you will find that simple, child-like faith and place your trust in Jesus Christ. Blessings to you!

      September 29, 2011 at 10:02 pm |
  18. Reality

    A list of some of the top contemporary NT scholars:

    R. Bultmann
    E. Kasemann
    Earl Doherty
    Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy
    Alvar Ellegård
    G. A. Wells
    Gregory Riley
    Robert Eisenman
    John Dominic Crossan
    Robert Funk
    Burton Mack
    Stephen J. Patterson
    Marcus Borg
    Stevan Davies
    Geza Vermes
    Richard Horsley
    Hyam Maccoby
    Gerd Theissen
    Bart Ehrman
    Paula Fredriksen
    Gerd Lüdemann
    John P. Meier
    E. P. Sanders
    Robert H. Stein
    Karen Armstrong
    Albert Schweitzer (The Quest for the Historical Jesus)
    Mahlon Smith
    Karen Pagels



    September 29, 2011 at 12:12 pm |
  19. JoeProfet

    The composition of the human body can be looked at from several different points of view.

    "By mass, human cells consist of 65–90% water (H2O), and a significant portion is composed of carbon-containing organic molecules. Oxygen therefore contributes a majority of a human body's mass, followed by carbon. 99% of the mass of the human body is made up of the six elements oxygen, carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, calcium, and phosphorus." Wikipedia. I would like for a scientist to please explain to me how this chemical composition becomes human life.

    September 29, 2011 at 12:08 pm |
    • Peace2All

      I'm guessing... the right answer here is... 'God'...?

      Is that your stance...? It must be ID or God...?


      September 29, 2011 at 12:14 pm |
    • David Johnson

      I could play Mr. Wizard, but it would be easier for you to google "abiogenesis". There are several theories how life could have come about. None require a god.


      September 29, 2011 at 12:23 pm |
    • JoeProfet

      David, that reference was awesome and I went through the drill and looked up "abiogenesis
      Biology. the production of living organisms from inanimate matter. Also called spontaneous generation. — abiogenetic, adj." My take on this is that it is a speculation of how life may have been formed. My understanding of life and how it may have been formed is also a speculation, which is as a creation from God. Now, how does spontaneous generation occur? Can it be repeated, in other words can we cause it to occur, has science figured out "how" to make it occur? I'm thinking not, but I love it because as I said earlier, science realized that from inanimate matter there became animate matter or life! It still doesn't explain the missing piece of data, which is the "HOW" does inanimate matter spontaneously generate life??? If we truly understood how that happens, then we should be able to recreate it, yes? These are the gray areas that we differ in. I only suggest that a highly complex being named God is the author of the "how" in this process! Amen, brother!

      September 29, 2011 at 1:22 pm |
    • Cedar Rapids

      Why do people like you insist that science not knowing how something occured must mean god did it? How on earth does that come about?

      September 29, 2011 at 3:01 pm |
    • Truth

      I agree. There's no physical way to prove HOW life "happens". We can see all of the parts, and track development of an egg or an embryo as it grows, and even give unique processes names (the same with plants or even the universe). But HOW these elements that create the parts came to be, or why they react with eachother the way they do is still a mystery. We know the laws, but how did these absolute, permanent laws come to be? There had to be a beginning to set these laws in motion. Nothing in science has ever disproven that it began with a creator. There is also historical testimony of millions of lives throughout history who have been changed by a personal relationship with God. Personal encounters and miracles that science can't explain.

      September 29, 2011 at 3:04 pm |
    • LetsThink123

      you are quick to point out that science does not have a logical explanation for certain topics, but then when asked for ur explanation, u spout out 'god did it!'.
      how in the world does that explain anything?
      U ask logical questions about science, which is good. But when it comes to ur bible, logic gets thrown out the window and the brainwashed part of ur mind kicks in. When i showed u that the sun is older than the earth and the bible says the reverse, u didnt accept it. U never had any logical comeback. Why does ur logic disappear as soon as we start talking about the myths in the bible?

      September 29, 2011 at 6:42 pm |
    • Jesus is God

      123, your problem is that you insist that the sun is older than the earth but where so you get this info? Let's just, for fun, take the evolutionist idea that life appeared on the Earth around 3.8 billion years ago. Since then, the Sun would have brightened about 25%, This would appear to present a temperature problem for the evolution of life and the Earth. With the current hand-wringing over global warming, one would expect that such a large difference in the solar output would have greatly increased the Earth’s temperature over billions of years. Yet most biologists and geologists believe that the Earth has experienced a nearly constant average temperature over the past 4.6 billion years, with perhaps warmer conditions prevailing early on. The problem of how the Sun could have increased in brightness while the Earth maintained a constant temperature is called the ‘early faint Sun paradox’. Just how great is the problem? A simple calculation can be made assuming that, over time, there has been no change in the Earth’s reflectivity or the ability of the Earth to radiate heat. While this approach is almost certainly unrealistic, it is useful to illustrate the problem. With these assumptions, we find that a 25% increase in solar luminosity increases the average temperature of the Earth by about 18°C. Since the current average temperature of the Earth is 15°C, the average temperature of the Earth 3.8 billion years ago would have been below freezing (-3°C). Thus when life supposedly was just beginning, much of the Earth would have been frozen.

      September 29, 2011 at 10:28 pm |
    • LetsThink123

      @Jesus is God
      I accept that there is a faint sun paradox. The reason that a paradox exists is because one of the assumptions for the paradox is incorrect.
      Oblers paradox for example, said that if the universe on a large scale is static with finite number of stars, then the night sky would be bright.
      this is because all the light from all the stars would reach us thus illuminating the night sky. This paradox was around during Einstein's time and was not solvable.
      It was only later that hubble, with his meticulous calculations showed galaxies receeding from us. this fit well with the model and showed that our universe is expanding (not static), proving einstein wrong.
      Thus Oblers paradox was solved when one of the assumptions (static universe) was shown to be untrue.
      That being said, it by no means implied that the sun is younger than the earth. THe heavy chemical elements used to make up the elements on the earth comes from the stars, so they have to be there first.
      The sun's age is determined by nuclear fusion in its core, its density for escaping ions determining its hydrogen/helium conversion rate. The age of the sun (4.57 billion yrs) agrees with its position relative to other stars on hertzprung-russells main sequence of stars diagram.
      the sun's ages also agrees with the age of the oldest solar system materials found in space. this cannot be a conincidence.
      think about what happends if ur fairytale is true and the earth was here before the sun:
      The earth would not have an orbit without the suns gravitational pull.
      other planets also would not be orbiting the sun
      the earth would lack heavy elements to form life (very important point)
      so the sun would have to be older than the earth, even reasoning with the logic from a layman's perspective.
      i like your faint sun paradox, but it will soon be solved with more thinking, reasoning, and logic. not by biblical myths.
      u also said that early science was formed by christians. i agree too. but their christianity was not what brought them to science, their curiousity did.
      if i lived during the renaissance , i too would believe in god because there was no other adequate explanation at that time. The amount of info available now shows that the genesis story is pure fiction.

      September 30, 2011 at 12:50 pm |
  20. Anton LaVey

    Soon to be 1 less one in the world.

    September 29, 2011 at 12:04 pm |
    • Anton LaVey

      Maybe his god will save him in a miracle before everybody's eyes?

      September 29, 2011 at 12:05 pm |
    • JoeProfet

      If his life is spared, would you then believe in God?

      September 29, 2011 at 12:10 pm |
    • Anton LaVey


      If his life is spared, would you then believe in God?


      If god came down and spared him I would.

      September 29, 2011 at 6:23 pm |
    • Answer

      Having God take a picture with the guy. Sure.

      September 29, 2011 at 6:28 pm |
    • LetsThink123

      and if he is executed, will u admit that god has no power to save him? or will we hear the typical cop out of 'it was part of gods plan!'. if its part of gods plan for him to die, then why pray for his rescue anyway? isn't it a waste of time?

      September 29, 2011 at 6:45 pm |
    • Jesus is God

      123, it's never a waste of time to pray. God loves His people and wants to know our desires. I hope you are confronted one day with a true believer when you are away from your computer and can't google a slick comeback to the truth that will be presented to you. I really hope that your heart will be ready to listen.

      September 29, 2011 at 10:19 pm |
    • Anton LaVey

      Jesus is God

      123, it's never a waste of time to pray. God loves His people and wants to know our desires. I hope you are confronted one day with a true believer when you are away from your computer and can't google a slick comeback to the truth that will be presented to you. I really hope that your heart will be ready to listen.

      Don't worry 123, been there done that. When you remove the hardwire programming as a kid and remove man's opinions...you are left with you and........ crickets.

      September 30, 2011 at 12:18 pm |
    • LetsThink123

      @Jesus is God
      again u failed to answer my question and went off-point.
      here's a story: my parents and relatives are believers. my aunt and her family went on a trip once and were saying prayers in the car (they are true believers, whatever that means).
      after finishing prayers, they stopped by the roadside for a lunchbreak. my aunt stepped out of the car and was hit and killed by a truck. but my parents and others belief in god did not fade away even after that. this doesnt make any sense to me.
      1. if the truck had barely missed my aunt and she survived, my relatives would say, 'praise god! she was praying in the car and thats what saved her!'
      2. In reality, the truck hit her and she died. my relatives still believe in god and say, 'it was meant to be and part of gods plan'
      Dont u see the stupidity in this kind of thinking?? how can u not see this. this shows me that prayer/no prayer to god will end up with the same result.
      u said, "God loves His people and wants to know our desires."
      no he doesn't, cause he doesnt care and doesnt exist. u r talking to urself. this same god ordered moses to kill first borns and women. wow, so much love this god has. This god loves u, but wouldnt hesitate to burn u in hell forever if u dont worship him.
      i never googled any slick comeback. i've a minor in astronomy so i know some of the material :]
      the biblical prophesies gone wrong i did get from a website, and verified them in the bible. Who cares if i got the failed biblical prophecies from an atheist website or my grandmothers basements, they r still true and in the bible. the bible got those prophecies wrong, and u r scared to admit it cause u think ur loving god will damn u to hell

      September 30, 2011 at 1:04 pm |
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