October 1st, 2011
11:06 AM ET

Quote John 3:16 for an oil change

(CNN)–"For God so loved the world, He gave a giant discount on an oil change," is not exactly how John 3:16 goes in the New Testament, but that is the interpretation one Texas businessman is using.

CNN affiliate KTVT reports customers can get a steep discount if they recite John 3:16.

KTVT reports the idea comes from Plano, Texas businessman Charlie Whittington, who owns Kwik Kar.

There has been some push back from some customers but Whittington is sticking by his religiously minded discount.

“If I’m standing for what I believe, so be it,” he told KTVT. “Bring it on.”

One Dallas attorney who spoke to the station said the discount appears to be within the law.

“The study of the Bible has many rewards. I’m not sure that God intended a lube discount to be among its many riches,” Andy Siegel told KTVT.

John 3:16 has been a standard bearer in simply explaining the Christian message.  The reference is routinely painted on placards and waved at sporting events.

In the Gospel of John, the King James Version recounts Jesus telling Nicodemus the pharisee, "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

- CNN Belief Blog

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soundoff (240 Responses)
  1. hippypoet

    Come one, come all and see me reply to my own posts! I was just kidding about the God thing anyway. My God is terrible at math and can't spell at all. Dumb as a stump. Sad really.

    October 1, 2011 at 4:24 pm |
    • Hippypoet

      imitation is the highest form of flattery, and as i high as i, i am very flattered. but you chose to insult me instead of argue... is that a sign of agreement, as you can't deny the existence of my God like i can yours!

      October 1, 2011 at 4:28 pm |
    • Observer

      The Bible is lousy at math. It says that pi = 3 and supposedly doesn't know the diffference between a circle and a sphere.

      October 1, 2011 at 4:30 pm |
    • hippypoet imposter

      You hurt me with your words.

      October 1, 2011 at 4:30 pm |
    • Pontificater

      Did you really say, " as i hi as i "
      Meaning u r hi (that would explain a lot) or you have a split personality, one is hi-er than the other? Or you are on a ladder? (Careful if your toasted crunchy groove. Never stand on the top step.)

      October 1, 2011 at 4:50 pm |
    • hippypoet


      Did you really say, " as i hi as i "

      No, i said HIGH, as in, baked, fuked up, stoned, intoxicated... you choose. And even if i had spelt it that way the meaning of my sentence would have been the same, and that is after all the over all point of words – to convey meaning, which i have done.

      October 1, 2011 at 4:55 pm |
    • Central Scrutinizer

      @hippy person
      You and YOUR God should BOTH go back to school. Maybe you can earn your GED. God Bless

      October 1, 2011 at 5:00 pm |
  2. Central Scrutinizer

    I am a temporal agnostic and I still think $34.99 is an abusive amount to charge for an oil change.

    October 1, 2011 at 4:15 pm |
    • TruthPrevails

      Especially when you can watch a 'how to' youtube video, buy the stuff and do it yourself.

      October 1, 2011 at 6:06 pm |
  3. hippypoet

    Come one come all, see the fantasticly real god! feel its touch, warmth, the burn, feel the god that you have been without for so very long! come with me and you will see a true sight to behold more then anyother and the best part is, no special offerings are needed, no place of whorship, just an open hand of life and death. This is the one true god as we know any form of gods on earth. This is the one and only creation that can bring life and death by simple existence. It knows more about the history of our planet then our planet itself. It is what scorned the jews in the dessert not an invisible creation of man! This is what people see when they claim to have seen the light! Only two special days a year, and we get a bonus show of dissappearance and reappearance every so often. My God has shown me the path that lay before me, and said not to me to follow one or the other but instead left it upon me to make my own choice of which way to go. The most important thing about my God is that is has children, but they are not to be whorshipped as they are rivals in the cosmos for the love of my God. The closer you are to my God is not always the safest however, as is being the furthest away. Both have a negitive affect. My God knows math, and science, most importantly knows balance, and teaches without teaching. But my God does scorn the ignorant! Come and whorship with me that which has been whorshipped by the greatest people ever known, whorshipped the longest by the most people in history. Come feel the warmth of my God, and know what it is to live with God always there to shining a light on you. I call my God the SUN. Others have called it Aton the sun disk, but that was 3000 years ago in Egypt, even then the whorship of the SUN was an ancient one long forgotten by the Eyptians at that time. E ven if you wish not to follow belief is not needed as proof of my God is there, all around you, in every thing you touch shows its power.Oh and my God doesn't do to anyone differently then anyother, all shall recieve equal treatment. Go and be in the light

    October 1, 2011 at 3:27 pm |
    • hippypoet

      Oh my God can power a car so you have no need for earth based fuel. My God gives its power freely and to all creatures, we are stupid to not use it!

      October 1, 2011 at 4:20 pm |
    • changing faiths

      thats the best arguement for any god i have ever heard of. i can't think of anyway to argue against it! you got a believer right here my friend. may the heat be within your heart as it is in mine now.

      October 1, 2011 at 4:35 pm |
    • Central Scrutinizer

      You are a Belieber too! Oh, sorry. You said Believer. My Bad. Amen and all that.

      October 1, 2011 at 4:39 pm |
  4. Rob Best

    I'm an atheist and not only do I not have an issue with this, I like it. He's not forcing this on anyone, I find it hard to believe he has monopoly on oil changes, and he's passively encouraging his believes is fellow believers. I see no harm.
    As for "There are not enough atheists to make a good baseball team so why would any business cater to them?God bless". Apparently you need to do some research before speaking. Christians are the minority on this planet AND there are a lot more atheists than you might think (most of us don't push it on others like SOME christians do).

    October 1, 2011 at 2:50 pm |
    • JT

      Im atheist and I also have no problem with this guy doing this. I mean, he's just another whacky crazy deluded Christian but there's no crime in that and putting on such public display. People don't have to darken his door. I wonder what kind of discount he would give if I quoted the below verse.

      Psalm 137:9 – Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.

      October 2, 2011 at 9:34 am |
  5. I wonder

    I wonder if you have to recite it *before* you get the oil change?

    I wonder if you can recite it and then say, "...but I don't believe it" or "...and all that jazz"?

    October 1, 2011 at 2:39 pm |
  6. Central Scrutinizer

    Isn't $34.99 a little pricey for an oil change?

    October 1, 2011 at 2:30 pm |
    • Central Scrutinizer

      Isn't anyone going to make the obvious "It must be "Holy" oil joke here? Come on people! Or maybe it comes with a Happy.....

      October 1, 2011 at 2:41 pm |
    • I wonder

      Yeh, I wonder if praying over this oil from sacred Muslim lands exorcises the Djinns out of it? Ooooga, Boooga!

      October 1, 2011 at 2:47 pm |
  7. Guest

    It takes a lot of lube to take what the religious right is pushing

    October 1, 2011 at 1:51 pm |
    • Prison Shower Jesus

      Bend over; Jesus is coming!

      October 1, 2011 at 2:17 pm |
  8. tallulah13

    I go online to get coupons for the place I get my oil changed. I get a discount, and they give me a newspaper to read while I wait. No religion needed.

    October 1, 2011 at 1:06 pm |
  9. Jeebus Lub Me!

    I'm just so shocked that this is going on in Texas. Really I am. I bet this guy already ran promotions where customers say "we should secede" and "Obama is a monkey" for discounts also. The ones who whisper "Ku Klux Klan" get their services free. Non-Christians and non-whites pay double.

    October 1, 2011 at 12:39 pm |
    • Really?

      I'm not. Take a look at their governor. He prays for rain. His fix for the economy is prayer. Perry wants to be your president. No need to assemble a cabinet. Perry can pray the day away and things will be just fine. It's so simple. Why haven't other leaders thought of this?

      October 1, 2011 at 12:58 pm |
    • TruthPrevails

      'Perry wants to be your president'...Isn't an IQ test and proof of mental stability required for that?

      October 1, 2011 at 6:09 pm |
  10. Rolph Eczema

    Can you imagine how crazy Christians would get if some oil change place gave a big discount if you said "there is no God"? Just like when one atheist billboard shows up amongst the thousands upon thousands of religious ones.

    So is this kind of bigotry and favoritism what was meant in "Do unto others"?

    October 1, 2011 at 12:12 pm |
    • Stay Away From Places Like That

      In my experience, businesses that make open displays of their religion invariably deliver poor quality at excessive prices.

      I wonder how many regular customers he is losing by insulting their beliefs by imposing his own onto his work?

      October 1, 2011 at 12:27 pm |
    • No kidding

      I wonder how many regular customers he is losing by insulting their beliefs by imposing his own onto his work?

      This is in Texas. I think the shop will be fine. Their governor tried to make it rain by praying. When Warren Jeffs and the FLDS decided it was time to get out of Dodge, where did they go? That's right Texas. "It's a whole other country".

      October 1, 2011 at 12:38 pm |
    • herbert juarez

      There are not enough atheists to make a good baseball team so why would any business cater to them?God bless

      October 1, 2011 at 1:55 pm |
    • Reality

      o http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html

      Religion............................... Adherents

      Christianity 2.1 billion
      Islam 1.5 billion
      Irreligious/agnostic/atheism 1.1 billion
      Hinduism 900 million
      Chinese traditional religion 394 million
      Buddhism 376 million
      Animist religions 300 million
      African traditional/diasporic religions 100 million
      Sikhism 23 million
      Juche 19 million
      Spiritism 15 million
      Judaism 14 million
      Baha'i 7 million
      Jainism 4.2 million
      Shinto 4 million
      Cao Dai 4 million
      Zoroastrianism 2.6 million
      Tenrikyo 2 million
      Neo-Paganism 1 million
      Unitarian Universalism 800,000
      Rastafari Movement 600,000

      October 1, 2011 at 2:09 pm |
    • Observer

      herbert juarez,

      "There are not enough atheists to make a good baseball team so why would any business cater to them?"

      Pretty poor example of a Christian and of an intelligent person.

      October 1, 2011 at 2:33 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      I see "Run & Hide Herbie" has surfaced. He must taking a break from his logic and debating skills class...

      October 1, 2011 at 2:54 pm |
    • .........

      plz hit report abuse to all reality garbage posts

      October 1, 2011 at 4:45 pm |
    • .........

      Plz tell me how to meet girls.

      October 1, 2011 at 4:55 pm |
    • TruthPrevails

      "herbert juarez
      There are not enough atheists to make a good baseball team so why would any business cater to them?God bless"

      Fail basic math?

      Let's do the math here or better yet and once again, correct you:
      From a Study conducted in March of 2009 and can be found at:

      "Self-identified atheists and agnostics have tripled since 1990, from 1.1 million people to north of 3.6 million — but the number who now claim “no religion” is 34 million, or fully 15 percent. "

      The population that summer was 307,006,550...so in simple terms that would mean that the 24% equates out to be approximately 73, 681, 572...I think there are more than enough...the difference between an Atheist baseball team and a christian ball team is that we'd walk away, have a beer and pat each other on the back for a job well done, a christian ball team would give credit to their god.
      Nice try though.

      October 1, 2011 at 6:32 pm |
    • herbert juarez

      I am not talking agnostics or the indifferent,the comment specifies atheists.As in ,in your face hard core idiots who have lied themselves into a state of perpetual denial and damnation.Those who by their godlessness drag down nations and undermine moral decency everywhere.The destructive incurable disease that is atheism.Do not add all the fringe groups such as agnostics and the indifferent,they are not atheists.God bless

      October 1, 2011 at 6:42 pm |
    • Ahhhhhh

      herbert juarez:

      "[atheists] ,in your face hard core idiots who have lied themselves into a state of perpetual denial and damnation."

      Ah, if *that* is your definition of "atheist", then you are correct, the number of them is zero.

      October 1, 2011 at 6:46 pm |
    • herbert juarez

      @truth prevails
      Might you be the same" truth" that insisted their were no nations in Revelation ,then listed 20 or so Biblical translations and paraphrases that listed two nations in Revelation?If so,doesn't that kind of negate your credibility and your arguments?God bless

      October 1, 2011 at 6:48 pm |
    • herbert juarez

      To be an atheist you must lie convincingly to yourself first.That doesn't happen with just one lie,it takes practice .All atheists by definition are liars,there is no other way to get there.God bless

      October 1, 2011 at 6:57 pm |
    • Math fab Mathonwy

      @HJ Are you counting Gog and Magog as nations mentioned in Revelation? Can you point them out on a map?

      October 1, 2011 at 7:06 pm |
    • herbert juarez

      Yes,in their approximate ancient locations.When they reemerge their boundaries may be similar but not exact.Another nation mentioned is Egypt,will you have trouble locating that nation as well?God bless

      October 1, 2011 at 7:14 pm |
    • Get Real


      There are many more real nations mentioned in Harry Potter books than in your fantasy story.

      October 1, 2011 at 7:18 pm |
    • herbert juarez

      In the game of life it is always good to have someone in left field.Now get real you stand out there and if a ball comes your way you toss it back.Do you understand?If you need help look to center field o.k.?God bless

      October 1, 2011 at 7:50 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      @"Run & Hide" Herbie

      To be a believer you must lie convincingly to yourself first. That doesn't happen with just one lie,it takes practice. All believers by definition are liars, there is no other way to get there. Most likely, there are no gods, not even just one.

      October 1, 2011 at 7:54 pm |
  11. Tom

    The true Christlike thing to do would be to sell his shop and the rest of his possessions and give the money to the poor, and to hate and abandon his family to follow Jesus. If he knew anything about Jesus, he would know this is what he instructed his followers to do.

    October 1, 2011 at 12:09 pm |
    • Jeebus Lub Me!

      And get angry at fig trees. Very Christ-like.

      October 1, 2011 at 12:32 pm |
    • TruthPrevails

      let's not forget picket all gay marriages

      October 1, 2011 at 6:36 pm |
  12. Al

    What if I quote 1 Corinthians 14:34-35

    Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

    Will I get the discount?

    October 1, 2011 at 12:06 pm |
    • BoldGeorge

      I don't know about getting a discount for quoting this, but your home would be blessed if this quote was actually applied.

      October 1, 2011 at 12:41 pm |
    • Al

      your home would be blessed if this quote was actually applied.

      Applied to the home? Women silent at home? Lol.

      October 1, 2011 at 1:05 pm |
    • TruthPrevails

      I don't know about getting a discount for quoting this, but your home would be blessed if this quote was actually applied."

      I'm not certain there is any force powerful enough to keep us quiet...guess you'll just have to suck it up!

      October 1, 2011 at 6:38 pm |
  13. Al

    What if I quote Psalms 137:9

    Blessed shall he be who takes your little ones and dashes them against the rock!

    Will I get the discount?

    October 1, 2011 at 11:57 am |
    • Redneck louie

      nope but theyd tell ya to read the rest of it

      October 1, 2011 at 11:59 am |
    • Al

      I did. Give it a shot.

      October 1, 2011 at 12:02 pm |
    • tallulah13

      I read the verses around it. It sounds like god is okay with murdering children for revenge. Maybe I got that wrong, but that's what it seemed to say to me. I can't say that I like your god, if he approves of pointless brutality, but hey, your mileage may vary.

      October 1, 2011 at 8:02 pm |
    • JT

      Notice when one quotes a verse that shows contridictions, hate, brutality Christians say it's out of context or it has some other meaning but they can throw one-liners (John 3:16) by itself and should not be questioned?

      October 2, 2011 at 9:43 am |
  14. Al

    What if I quote Leviticus 26:29

    You shall eat the flesh of your sons, and you shall eat the flesh of your daughters.

    Will I get the discount?

    October 1, 2011 at 11:52 am |
    • Redneck louie

      nope but theys should give ya a handy wipe for when yous done ettin

      October 1, 2011 at 11:54 am |
  15. Chad

    Charlie: GOOD FOR YOU, here's hoping that you get more business as a result of this than you know what to do with.

    October 1, 2011 at 11:38 am |
  16. AGuest9

    Is it any more ridiculous than seeing it painted on banners at sporting events?

    October 1, 2011 at 11:36 am |
  17. Al

    What if I quote Deuteronomy 21:20-21

    This our son is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard. Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones.

    Will I get the discount?

    October 1, 2011 at 11:32 am |
    • Redneck louie

      ah recon ifn yall did thet the city elders would hawl yourn carcass to the city gates and have at you

      October 1, 2011 at 11:49 am |
  18. Reality

    SHOUTING about Jesus or oil changes or being the savior will not make it so. John 3:16 is a single attestation in the NT and many contemporary NT scholars to include (Professors Ludemann, Crossan, Borg and Fredriksen) have concluded that it was not said by the historical Jesus. It was, they conclude, an addition to embellish the life of Jesus to gain converts/money to/for the cult.

    October 1, 2011 at 11:28 am |
    • .........

      I would respond, but since I'm a complete and total idiot, I'll just say...

      plz hit report abuse on repeat reality postings.

      October 1, 2011 at 11:46 am |
    • .........

      Like I was saying...or not saying....I really need to find a job...I like squirrels...

      October 1, 2011 at 12:00 pm |
    • when

      Professors L,B,C, and F are merely men. How would they know? They wouldn't. And they don't. Non-believers are always running around dissing the Bible....saying it doesn't really say this or that. Old, boring lies. They're just men. Fallable, finite men.

      October 1, 2011 at 12:46 pm |
    • Observer

      "Non-believers are always running around dissing the Bible....saying it doesn't really say this or that. Old, boring lies."

      Okay. let's see if you know what you are talking about. List specific lies.

      October 1, 2011 at 1:18 pm |
    • Reality

      Added details:

      1. origin: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20E1EFE35540C7A8CDDAA0894DA404482

      “New Torah For Modern Minds

      Abraham, the Jewish patriarch, probably never existed. Nor did Moses. The entire Exodus story as recounted in the Bible probably never occurred. The same is true of the tumbling of the walls of Jericho. And David, far from being the fearless king who built Jerusalem into a mighty capital, was more likely a provincial leader whose reputation was later magnified to provide a rallying point for a fledgling nation.

      Such startling propositions – the product of findings by archaeologists digging in Israel and its environs over the last 25 years – have gained wide acceptance among non-Orthodox rabbis. But there has been no attempt to disseminate these ideas or to discuss them with the laity – until now.

      The United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism, which represents the 1.5 million Conservative Jews in the United States, has just issued a new Torah and commentary, the first for Conservatives in more than 60 years. Called "Etz Hayim" ("Tree of Life" in Hebrew), it offers an interpretation that incorporates the latest findings from archaeology, philology, anthropology and the study of ancient cultures. To the editors who worked on the book, it represents one of the boldest efforts ever to introduce into the religious mainstream a view of the Bible as a human rather than divine docu-ment. “

      2. Jesus was an illiterate Jewish peasant/carpenter/simple preacher man who suffered from hallucinations (or “mythicizing” from P, M, M, L and J) and who has been characterized anywhere from the Messiah from Nazareth to a mythical character from mythical Nazareth to a ma-mzer from Nazareth (Professor Bruce Chilton, in his book Rabbi Jesus). An-alyses of Jesus’ life by many contemporary NT scholars (e.g. Professors Ludemann, Crossan, Borg and Fredriksen, ) via the NT and related doc-uments have concluded that only about 30% of Jesus' sayings and ways noted in the NT were authentic. The rest being embellishments (e.g. miracles)/hallucinations made/had by the NT authors to impress various Christian, Jewish and Pagan sects.

      The 30% of the NT that is "authentic Jesus" like everything in life was borrowed/plagiarized and/or improved from those who came before. In Jesus' case, it was the ways and sayings of the Babylonians, Greeks, Persians, Egyptians, Hitt-ites, Canaanites, OT, John the Baptizer and possibly the ways and sayings of traveling Greek Cynics.


      For added "pizzazz", Catholic theologians divided god the singularity into three persons and invented atonement as an added guilt trip for the "pew people" to go along with this trinity of overseers. By doing so, they made god the padre into god the "filicider".

      Current RCC problems:

      Pedophiliac priests, an all-male, mostly white hierarchy, atonement theology and original sin!!!!

      3., Luther, Calvin, Joe Smith, Henry VIII, Wesley, Roger Williams, the Great “Babs” et al, founders of Christian-based religions or combination religions also suffered from the belief in/hallucinations of "pretty wingie thingie" visits and "prophecies" for profits analogous to the myths of Catholicism (resurrections, apparitions, ascensions and immacu-late co-nceptions).

      Current problems:
      Adulterous preachers, pedophiliac clerics, "propheteering/ profiteering" evangelicals and atonement theology,

      October 1, 2011 at 2:06 pm |
    • GAW

      @ Reality I think that this is the 100th time you've posted this.....booorinngg!

      October 1, 2011 at 3:56 pm |
    • Observer


      You've made your point. Enough is enough.

      October 1, 2011 at 4:12 pm |
    • .........

      plz hit report abuse on all reality garbage

      October 1, 2011 at 7:10 pm |
  19. JohnR

    Perfectly legal. Perfectly stupid, but perfectly legal.

    October 1, 2011 at 11:26 am |
  20. CharlieInVA

    The proprietor of the shop obviously has the right to offer this type of discount, but it's sad that in this backwards, demon-haunted country we're still treating a work of fiction supposedly handed down by an magical, omnipotent being as a framework for a moral life, rather than embracing an objective, secular view of morality.

    October 1, 2011 at 11:19 am |
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