October 1st, 2011
11:06 AM ET

Quote John 3:16 for an oil change

(CNN)–"For God so loved the world, He gave a giant discount on an oil change," is not exactly how John 3:16 goes in the New Testament, but that is the interpretation one Texas businessman is using.

CNN affiliate KTVT reports customers can get a steep discount if they recite John 3:16.

KTVT reports the idea comes from Plano, Texas businessman Charlie Whittington, who owns Kwik Kar.

There has been some push back from some customers but Whittington is sticking by his religiously minded discount.

“If I’m standing for what I believe, so be it,” he told KTVT. “Bring it on.”

One Dallas attorney who spoke to the station said the discount appears to be within the law.

“The study of the Bible has many rewards. I’m not sure that God intended a lube discount to be among its many riches,” Andy Siegel told KTVT.

John 3:16 has been a standard bearer in simply explaining the Christian message.  The reference is routinely painted on placards and waved at sporting events.

In the Gospel of John, the King James Version recounts Jesus telling Nicodemus the pharisee, "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

- CNN Belief Blog

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soundoff (240 Responses)
  1. JAK

    What a wonderful Christian thing to do. We as Christians have had alot of our rights taken from us by not standing up for what we believe. I am happy to let everyone know that I am a Christian. It you don't like Mr. Whittington's idea don't go to his place of bussiness...as for me.... I have found this new place to get my oil changed. GOD BLESS !!!

    October 6, 2011 at 1:57 pm |
  2. hippypoet , the prophet


    October 4, 2011 at 10:35 pm |
  3. Imaginationland

    pfft im an atheist but i'd say it to get freebies...... jsut cause somone says something doenst mean they beleive it. now don't get me wrong in my opinion in the buisness world i feel having ones perosnal religious beleifs on display in any way is simply unprofessional. Most actual buisness persons know to not mix possibly controversial material with work ESPECIALLY as practically a first greeting. He shuld have rethought it out.

    October 3, 2011 at 7:43 pm |
    • steveinmo

      You're not as far off as you might think Imaginationland. Just repeating John 3:16 or just saying you commit yourself doesn't Save you. And just signing your name to a piece of paper which will wither away won't do it either.

      There must be a work involved, that's simply between you and the Lord. He's the only one who can Save you, and no man or woman can tell you when, where or how you're Saved.

      October 6, 2011 at 12:17 am |
  4. Lucifer's Evil Twin

    "I think everyone should treat one another in a Christian manner. I will not however be responsible for the consequences"

    October 3, 2011 at 1:09 pm |
    • Uncouth Swain

      Please educate us on these "consequences" with your superior scholarship. Atheists are a rancid bunch. Every last one of them are a part of a disease. You are a cancer to religious freedom. I genuinely hope they all experience a slow, painful demise.

      October 3, 2011 at 11:44 pm |
    • Rick

      A cancer to religious freedom? Tell me, oh pious one, how does my disbelief impact your abillity to believe?

      October 4, 2011 at 3:17 am |
    • Rick

      Also, Uncouth Swain, regarding the "painful demise" comment....very Christian of you. Now, get back on your knees in front of your savior. Take some breath mints, too

      October 4, 2011 at 3:29 am |
    • Rick

      Uncouth: He is speaking about people like you. Bitter Mother Scratcher

      October 4, 2011 at 8:57 am |
  5. myweightinwords

    Any private business has the right to run whatever special they want. They can put bible verses on their receipts or their wrappers or their cups. They can put the little Jesus fish thing on their business cards.


    If it draws them more business than it drives away, more power to them.

    Personally, my experience with "good Christian businesses" leads me to never do business with those who feel the need to blatantly declare their religion in their advertising.

    October 3, 2011 at 11:35 am |
  6. hippypoet

    turn away from all false "gods" come to the place where woshipping is always done in the light, and where people see the path before them because the one true GOD has shown them the way!

    October 3, 2011 at 11:01 am |
    • Mary Hillsbrough

      AGREED! Jesus is the light and the only way!

      October 3, 2011 at 11:12 pm |
    • Rick

      Not for all of us, Mary

      October 4, 2011 at 3:31 am |
  7. CRhinehart

    I don't understand what the issue is here.
    It is his company and he can do with it as he pleases.
    This is in no way discriminatory.
    He did not say you must quote it to receive service, just quote it to receive the discount.
    If you don't want to say it then don't. FREE COUNTRY FOLKS!!!
    His business is not a monopoly and those who are offended are free to go elsewhere.
    No quote no discount.. boo hoo.. if it matters that much for your personal beliefs not to say it then I guess the few bucks that you would have saved will not matter...
    This is a private business not the government and I applaud the owner for not being bullied into changing his mind!
    As always in a capitalistic economy you can speak with your wallet if you don't like this.
    However, like in the case with Chik-fil-A I feel that a lot of people who identify with christianity will appreciate this and he will probably generate more business than he loses.
    Bottom line... if you don't like it then don't do it.

    October 3, 2011 at 8:40 am |
    • RightTurnClyde

      Well this BLOG is actually an atheist rag intending to cast aspersions at Christianity. They do not attack other faiths, only Christianity.

      October 3, 2011 at 5:50 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      I think Muneef would say differently...

      October 3, 2011 at 5:52 pm |
    • evolvedDNA

      Rightturn Clyde.. You would like to think that..As an atheist I am fully aware of the threat that Islam poses to society. If you think that only christians are "targeted" you are mistaken. A lot of books written by well known athiests such as Christopher Hichins ..God Is Not Great attacks Islam.. What is true is that there are many more Christans in the US than Muslims and as such there are more stories and responses. Muneef writes frequently and is debated as often as he comments. Now we are not out there destroying mosques and burning churches, that is true, but it does not mean we are not concerned. The key to religious fervor, on both sides is education, and until children can be allowed to choose their religion, if they want one at all, we will not see anything change. It is no accident that children have to be indoctrinated with their parents religion at an early age, as it means they are less likely to switch sides as adults...

      October 3, 2011 at 6:47 pm |
  8. Dr.K.

    Why is using bible verses to promote your business or placing the christian fish on your business card or sign not taking the Lord's name in vain? Seriously, since when did saying "gd" become a fundamental sin, but using Jesus as an advertising gimmick remain a noble gesture?

    October 3, 2011 at 1:07 am |
    • Symm

      oho! Those are very good questions. I'd like to hear some answers, too.

      October 3, 2011 at 8:36 am |
    • Mary Hillsbrough

      Because it is a means of educating people about The Word. There is nothing wrong with it. The owner is reaching out to those that are not saved.

      October 3, 2011 at 11:14 pm |
    • I Don't Get It

      Mary H,

      How about if you let your "God" (if it exists) do the educating? I do not believe a thing you guys say.

      October 3, 2011 at 11:18 pm |
    • Uncouth Swain

      Perhaps you could educate yourself by picking up the book and reading it. I know this is a drastic measure on your part, but helping one's self is usually a noteworthy accomplishment. Rather than depending on God to show Himself to you, have you ever considered the alternative? It appears not.

      October 4, 2011 at 12:20 am |
    • HotAirAce

      Attended many years of Sunday School, read The Babble lots and threw it away – just a bad bit of fiction.

      October 4, 2011 at 12:23 am |
    • Mary Hillsbrough


      October 4, 2011 at 12:27 am |
    • I Don't Get It

      Uncouth Swain, I read it, studied it, prayed from it and over it for more years than you are old, kid. There is no evidence that any of the supernatural fantasy in it is true.

      October 4, 2011 at 12:35 am |
  9. Kami

    For God so loved the world, he cursed mankind with bitter labor and womankind with the pain of childbirth, drowned almost everybody on the planet in a flood, then came down and ra.ped a young girl so she could have his son, so he could make men torture the son to death so they would thank him for being awesome like that, and he'll come back later and kill everybody who didn't worship the son and send them to burn in agony in fire forever.
    What an AWESOME god!

    October 2, 2011 at 9:09 pm |
    • ThinkForYourself
      October 3, 2011 at 10:16 am |
    • ThinkForYourself

      html tag fail on that post above. Should have read *Like*

      October 3, 2011 at 10:18 am |
    • RightTurnClyde

      But since you do not believe that and are being factious, you actually believe all of that is merely an "accident" of evolution. SO what do you have to complain about? .. at least you are not a sea anemone or a sponge.

      October 3, 2011 at 5:46 pm |
  10. EvolvedDNA

    RTC...would that be an oil change using the 6000 yr old oil, or the real stuff the non believers use?

    October 2, 2011 at 8:26 pm |
  11. JT

    Christians will stop at nothing to proselytize. Anytime I see the Jesus fish on some ad I avoid that business like the plague.

    October 2, 2011 at 7:34 pm |
    • dwerbil

      Same here!
      I think it's moronic to mix public business with religion. A few years ago in Abilene, Texas, there was a dry cleaner shop that would slam Evolution on his business sign all the time. What an idiot. I guess if one wants to flaunt to the world their ignorance, they should go for it.

      October 2, 2011 at 9:25 pm |
    • claybigsby

      "I think it's moronic to mix public business with religion."

      Aot of those businesses you consider public are actually privately owned businesses. When you say "public", this to me means publicly traded and owned by many investors.

      October 3, 2011 at 8:21 am |
    • RightTurnClyde

      We rejoice in Jesus. so it's kind of like shouting "the Cubs won!" or "Hallelujah!" That is the joy we feel about Christianity. Sorry for you if you do not like it. We like it. some folks like pizza and some don't

      October 3, 2011 at 5:49 pm |
    • Mary Hillsbrough

      Yes Right!

      October 3, 2011 at 11:15 pm |
    • Rick

      Right Turn Clyde: You equate the joy you feel about being saved with a baseball team?

      October 4, 2011 at 3:44 am |
  12. RightTurnClyde

    It's a good idea. The ad will generate good relations with the Christians in his community. Maybe it will offend a handful or non-believers but so what. If he can befriend 10 new customers to every disgruntled complainer his business will expand (thanks to John's gospel). The gripers would go on being sourpuss gripers no matter what he aid (they accuse him of being greedy if he does not give it away). The Christians can get a good oil change and the others can go on mumbling under their breath.

    October 2, 2011 at 5:00 pm |
    • Jolly11

      "Maybe it will offend a handful or non-believers but so what." That's a Christian for ya, they see offending people as doing a good thing, and see arrogance as humbleness. Stay off my porch with your lies or I'll shoot you with the garden hose, you freaks!

      October 2, 2011 at 8:36 pm |
    • Republicans for Voldemort

      RightTurnClyde, good to see you assuming our position. The team can use you.

      October 2, 2011 at 8:37 pm |
    • Mary Hillsbrough

      Non-believers are easily offended. I often wonder just how offended they'll be by fire after they stand before The Lord.

      October 3, 2011 at 11:17 pm |
    • Rick

      Mary: No one can fear retaliation from a being in which they do not believe. Does the idea of non-believers (incuding, I assume, believers from other traditions) being tortured forever make you wet?

      October 4, 2011 at 3:47 am |
  13. Colin

    "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

    Hmm, now a more moder version:

    For god so loved te world, 90% of whom he allows to live in grinding, gut-wrenching poverty, that he gave his only begotten son (he bred and had a son?) that whosoever believeth in him should not perishbut have eternal life (he's god – he makes the rules- he could have done this without the whole dieing on the cross thing)

    October 2, 2011 at 1:30 pm |
    • Peace2All


      LOL... Well, obviously, God is a 'drama queen'...! 😀 I guess the Big G... has a warped sense of humor.

      Peace brother...

      October 2, 2011 at 2:00 pm |
    • Bucky Ball

      Actually Colin, that phrase, (the little group of words, put together in the English language), "the only begotten s-o-n of g-o-d", has NO meaning. First of all, god has no s-e-x, and neither would it's offspring. S-e-x is an evolutionary adaptation to the advantage in exchanging DNA, so far known only on planet Earth. The creed says he was "eternally begotten of the father". Supposedly this means that this "event" "happened", or "continued to happen" BEFORE the deity in question, created this universe, (in which space-time "began"). Obviously, NOTHING "happened", or "continued to happen" before there was the dimension of time, for that to occur in. If they DON'T mean that the "begetting" did not "happen", (a process, which is a temporal concept), then the phrase also has no meaning. They all need a course in Linguistics, and Philosophy, and maybe Quantum Physics, before they start shoving that crap down people's throats. They don't really know what they mean, and it is MEANINGLESS. Cheers. 😈

      October 2, 2011 at 3:01 pm |
  14. HotAirAce

    My version of this would be "Deposit a copy of The Babbe, or other book of tribal bullishit in our waste container and get 50% off."

    October 2, 2011 at 1:24 pm |
  15. jerry

    @grist how many times has the world pushed their stuff on christians saying we cant pray in school saying we cant you persecute us all the time you take GOD's name in vein right in our faces all the time and we come out and stand up for our beliefs and we are the bad guy i'm sorry sir but you are extrtemly wrong funny everything us christians do is wrong telling us what to preach and what not to preach and you say we are pushing our beliefs on people

    October 2, 2011 at 11:12 am |
    • Republicans for Voldemort

      Welcome to our team, jerry. You'll be a fine representative.

      October 2, 2011 at 8:39 pm |
    • Mary Hillsbrough

      This is expected. We ARE in the end times.

      October 3, 2011 at 11:19 pm |
    • Rick

      As long as there are math tests, there will be prayer in schools. Why do you need the school's (a.k.a. the government's) endorsement of it? Also, vein is something the transports blood. I think you mean the lord's name in VAIN.

      October 4, 2011 at 3:50 am |
  16. jerry

    i imagine if he had everyone quote a verse from a song from a rock band that would be ok but because he gives a descount for qouting a bible verse seriously i commend him for standing up his faith its funny a person comes out and takes a stand for their faith and they are the bad guy but yet its ok 2 men or 2 women to get married GOD HELP US

    October 2, 2011 at 9:44 am |
    • grist

      So yes, you have a guy who would take an unethical stand to limit the freedoms of people who are not like him, who wants to push his religion on his customers. I am not sure if it is legal but hopefully it will turn out to be a bad business plan for this guy. Not all of us are Christian. Does he, and you, think that non-Christians are going straight to hell and that by doing this we might convert in order to save 20 bucks?

      October 2, 2011 at 10:36 am |
    • Peace2All


      Hey -Jerry...

      You Said: " its funny a person comes out and takes a stand for their faith and they are the bad guy but..... yet its ok 2 men or 2 women to get married GOD HELP US "

      I'm curious, what does one have to do with the other...? Are you equating someone offering a discount on an oil change for spouting off a Bible verse... vs. allowing people who happen to be of the same gender, who love and care for each other and want... and... are deserving of equal civil rights and equal treatment under the law ... as = to being the "same thing"...? 😯


      I'm very curious about your opinion on this if you make it back here to elaborate a bit further on your posting.



      October 2, 2011 at 1:57 pm |
    • Rick

      Jerry: It strikes me that this is an advertiing ploy much more than standing up for the faith

      October 4, 2011 at 3:55 am |
  17. Former Atheist Jeremy Fritz

    For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in him, shall not perish but have everlasting life! John 3:16 (KJV) PRAISE THE LORD!

    October 2, 2011 at 9:25 am |
    • todaypost

      People shall not perish but will face the fire and flood sent by .......

      October 2, 2011 at 1:48 pm |
    • Tom

      People shall not prosper but shall sacri-fice goats daily and burn them to make nice smells so god gets happy and doesn't obliterate them with a wave of his little finger. -Leviticus

      Take your sicko Christian bible stories and shove them where the big nuclear orb in the sky don't shine.

      October 2, 2011 at 3:06 pm |
    • Rick

      Do you really want everlasting life? Do you want that the people you know and love who do not share the same belief as you be tortured forever?

      October 4, 2011 at 3:57 am |
  18. Peace2All

    If that will save me some dollars by spouting off a Bible verse or 2... I'm all in.


    October 2, 2011 at 3:45 am |
    • Bucky Ball

      Hey peace, what are you doing up at 3AM ? Go ta bed. Speaking of car repair, we have this great new thing here, called "car sharing". You just go pick it up, (usually a few blocks away), (new models, usually a Prius), THEY pay the gas and insurance, costs about $7.00 per hour, and drop it off, when you're done. No muss, no fuss, take the bus, no repair bills. Who needs a car anymore ? Oh, right, this is the Belief Blog..well..maybe god likes this, but I highly doubt it. 😈

      October 2, 2011 at 7:47 am |
    • Peace2All

      @Buckminster Fullerene

      Hey, my good friend... Bucky Ball ! How ya' doing pal...? 😀

      LOL... ! Well, 'technically' it was 12:45am (my time–west coast) and not 3:45. I believe the blog time stamps postings EST.

      As for this 'car' situation you are speaking of... sounds interesting. But, where are you exactly...? Are you down in SD yet...?

      If so, I'm going to be down in a few weeks, and I'll come visit ya' !!!! Wouldn't that be a 'hoot' !

      Take care, brother...


      October 2, 2011 at 1:48 pm |
  19. RightTurnClyde

    numbers 22:33

    October 2, 2011 at 2:06 am |
  20. Reality

    From p. 1 (Reiteration is great for the learning process. As is reading and rational thinking followed by conclusions based on all of it.)

    SHOUTING about Jesus or oil changes or being the savior will not make it so. John 3:16 is a single attestation in the NT and many contemporary NT scholars to include (Professors Ludemann, Crossan, Borg and Fredriksen) have concluded that it was not said by the historical Jesus. It was, they conclude, an addition to embellish the life of Jesus to gain converts/money to/for the cult.

    October 2, 2011 at 12:05 am |
    • ronnie

      yeah right and pigs can fly..ha

      October 2, 2011 at 6:18 am |
    • Reality

      JC's family and friends had it right 2000 years ago ( Mark 3: 21 "And when his friends heard of it, they went out to lay hold on him: for they said, He is beside himself.")

      Said passage is one of the few judged to be authentic by most contemporary NT scholars. e.g. See Professor Ludemann's conclusion in his book, Jesus After 2000 Years, p. 24 and p. 694

      Actually, Jesus was a bit "touched". After all he thought he spoke to Satan, thought he changed water into wine, thought he raised Lazarus from the dead etc. In today's world, said Jesus would be declared legally insane.

      Or did P, M, M, L and J simply make him into a first century magic-man via their epistles and gospels of semi-fiction? Most contemporary NT experts after thorough analyses of all the scriptures go with the latter magic-man conclusion with J's gospels being mostly fiction.

      Obviously, today's followers of Paul et al's "magic-man" are also a bit on the odd side believing in all the Christian mumbo jumbo about bodies resurrecting, and exorcisms, and miracles, and "magic-man atonement, and infallible, old, European, white men, and 24/7 body/blood sacrifices followed by consumption of said sacrifices. Yummy!!!!

      So why do we really care what a first century CE, illiterate, long-dead, preacher/magic man would do or say?

      October 2, 2011 at 7:58 am |
    • .........

      plz hit report abuse to all reality postings

      October 2, 2011 at 8:00 am |
    • Rick

      Reality's post wasn't abusive. Why should it be reported as such?

      October 4, 2011 at 4:00 am |
    • Jimtanker

      Reality's post seems to be spot on. If you have a problem with reality, or Reality, sorry for you.

      October 4, 2011 at 4:20 am |
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