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 The Supreme Court refused to hear an appeal from a judge to hand the Ten Commandments in his court room.
October 3rd, 2011
04:24 PM ET
Justices deal with 10 Commandments displayBy Bill Mears, CNN Supreme Court Producer Washington (CNN) - The Supreme Court on Monday turned away an appeal from an Ohio judge who wanted to post a copy of the biblical Ten Commandments in his courtroom. The case was among hundreds disposed of by the justices, who returned to start a new term after a three-month recess. Another separate, high-profile petition involved a death row prisoner challenging his conviction in the murder of an 11-year-old Florida girl. The Ohio case was brought by the American Civil Liberties Union, which had successfully prevented Richland County Common Pleas Judge James DeWeese from posting another copy of the Ten Commandments. He first hung the well-known passage from the Bible in 2000, alongside a copy of the Constitution's Bill of Rights, and referred to both as "the rule of law," according to court documents. Read the full story here. |
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Recap:
Ten Commandments:
1: Have no other gods – NOT A LAW
2: Make no graven image – NOT A LAW
3: Don’t take the name in vain – NOT A LAW
4: Honor the Sabbath – NOT A LAW
5: Honor thy father and mother – NOT A LAW
6: Thou shalt not kill – NOT UNIQUE TO CHRISTIANITY (long pre-dated it)
7: Thou shalt not commit adultery – a huge number of Christians commit adultery by LEGALLY remarrying
8: Thou shalt not steal – NOT UNIQUE TO CHRISTIANITY
9: Thou shalt not bear false witness – NOT UNIQUE TO CHRISTIANITY
10: Thou shalt not covet – NOT A LAW
So 3 out of th 10 commandments have made it into US law. Doesn't seem like the 10 commandments are the basis for law.
I believe that the people here are not actually stating that the ten commandments are a basis for law per se, it sounds like what they're saying is that it's a basis for morality and discipline (without which, no laws would be be in place). We all have seen children at some point or another. The vast majority of us can witness that most children must be taught what and what not to do. There are very few of us that are born with firm grasp of what's right and wrong. Many of your parents and your parents' parents have been weaned on these basic principles in one form or another. I think we can all accept that none of the laws in the ten commandments are hurtful in practice.
And you're right Observer, none of these laws are unique to Christianity. Actually, I believe they're all Jewish laws. They appear to be very basic and full of "no-brainers". Almost like telling a child not to touch fire ( you would think that the heat they feel before they touch it would be enough but as humans we tend to fight through those early warning signs and land hip deep into stupidity). After you've mastered the basic stuff (which appears to be very hard to do), Christianity appears to have only two laws:
1. Love and honor God.
2. Treat everyone as you would want to be treated.
Number 1 seems to be more of a personal thing between a person and their deity. Number 2 would seem to encompass every law of consequence ever written in this world. As a matter of fact, I would wager that if more people followed law number 2, no one would be complaining about a man that just wants to hang a few lines of a personal moral code that he lives by where he works. It seemed like it was important to him.
"Christianity appears to have only two laws"
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How so? Jesus said those were the most important, but he also was quite explicit when he said he wasn't there to dismiss earlier laws. The whole shellfish thing was later deemed to be ok (after peter had a hallucination after being near the point of starvation) but other laws, such as stoning disobedient children were never revoked. It seems to me that Christianity has only two laws if one is VERY selective when reading the bible.
@ThinkForYourself
You're right, of course. It does appear as though Jesus was not trying to dismiss the previous laws. I thnk we can all agree that there's nothing wrong with a law telling children to obey their parents. It looks like he was mostly freeing people from the harsh punishments that humans were inflicting on each other. More of an ideal of get your own house in order before you start getting on everyone else. It appears that most people are more interested in the punishments than whether or not the laws are actually good.
At last! An ounce of sanity.
This calls for a 4th beer... I hate work nights.
Cheers!
@David
You are on your 4th beer AT work? Sweet. Hope you are not an Air Traffic Controller though...
As usual, there are a bunch of atheists here attempting to discredit my God. Our justice system would not exist without these commandments. They are the cornerstone of this country. If you atheists can't see that, then you are terribly blind, and you will be judged by the Lord. I feel sorry for all of you. Atheists, you need to get a life. You may not believe in the truth, but you could do better with your time. If you feel so high and mighty then you can go out and do some charity work. Maybe the fire under your feet in the afterlife will get turned down a notch if any of you actually do something worthwhile in this one. I doubt it.
40% of the commandments have ZERO to do with law and just are ways of religion. Get serious.
@Mary Hillsbrough
You said: "As usual, there are a bunch of atheists here attempting to discredit my God."
Your god is no more likely to exist, than Zeus, Thor or Isis.
Cheers!
You will see.
Hey, who says that Zeus, Thor, and Isis didn't exist?
Ten Commandments:
1 – 4: God’s commands to praise “me”
5: Honor thy father and mother – NOT A LAW
6: Thou shalt not kill – if you need a book to tell you that, you have more problems than we can address
7: Thou shalt not commit adultery – not punishable by imprisonment
8: Thou shalt not steal – likely a “law” for nearly every civilization regardless of religion
9: Thou shalt not bear false witness – nothing unique to any religion
10: Thou shalt not covet – NOT A LAW
Obviously, the Ten Commandments play LITTLE to no part in our justice system.
Mary, since YOU know how we should ALL think, what advice do you have for a Temporal Agnostic? (it's ok, you can look it up.)
@Central Scrutinizer
Hey!!! I just looked it up! I didn't know they made an entire religion out of people that just have no opinion one way or the other. It seems like an ideal safe haven to hold of on gambling until you have a sure thing, but that only works allowed to place your bets at the last moment. I wish them luck and good fortune.
I used to be a strict agnostic, but I have softened up over the years. Hey who knows, if a supercolider finds the God Particle, I am listening....
The Bible has all of the answers that you will ever need.
Mary H,
The Bible is nothing.
Observer, you said:
"Ten Commandments:
1 – 4: God’s commands to praise “me”
5: Honor thy father and mother – NOT A LAW
6: Thou shalt not kill – if you need a book to tell you that, you have more problems than we can address
7: Thou shalt not commit adultery – not punishable by imprisonment
8: Thou shalt not steal – likely a “law” for nearly every civilization regardless of religion
9: Thou shalt not bear false witness – nothing unique to any religion
10: Thou shalt not covet – NOT A LAW
Obviously, the Ten Commandments play LITTLE to no part in our justice system."
You are incorrect.
1 – 4: God’s commands to praise “me” – And we see what's happening to this world by ignoring God.
5: Honor thy father and mother – Parents by law are responsible for their children.
6: Thou shalt not kill – Still a law created by Christianity and carried over to our system.
7: Thou shalt not commit adultery – So, imprisonment denotes whether or not it is a law? News to me.
8: Thou shalt not steal – Created by Christianity and carried over to our system.
9: Thou shalt not bear false witness – WRONG. Created by Christianity.
10: Thou shalt not covet – It leads to stealing amongst other sins. Which have all been carried over to our justice system, period.
Please reply once you've educated yourself a little more on these things. What you fail to realize is that these things are not black and white. Honoring one's parents can lead to a smoother home life. Otherwise, parents may end up failing on their part. This commandment is a two-way street. By sinning, we are opening the door to many other negative things. That was the point of these commandments. If each sin were named, we wouldn't just have ten commandments now would we? NO. This is a basic foundation. You need to open your eyes, stop being negative and repent. I cannot believe the audacity people have! There is no respect for God. He gave YOU life and here you are mocking Him? You are an ant on a hill and the Lord is everything. Who are YOU to mock?
Mary, your belief in your sky fairy god fiction deserves to be mocked, at every opportunity.
So there's this omnipotent being that had his commandments, some of which he borrowed, written onto stone tablets that got damaged and lost. And now he can't even create a website. Right....
Mary,
Speaking of needing education, as I've shown you that NOTHING from the Ten Commandments is uniquely part of our justice system and the statement "Our justice system would not exist without these commandments" is nothing more than your OPINION that God exists and needs constant reassurance and praise.
Mary,
5: Honor thy father and mother – Parents by law are responsible for their children.
6: Thou shalt not kill – Still a law created by Christianity and carried over to our system.
7: Thou shalt not commit adultery – So, imprisonment denotes whether or not it is a law? News to me.
8: Thou shalt not steal – Created by Christianity and carried over to our system.
9: Thou shalt not bear false witness – WRONG. Created by Christianity.
10: Thou shalt not covet – It leads to stealing amongst other sins. Which have all been carried over to our justice system, period."
Let's address this nonsense:
#5 parents are required by law to be responsible for the kids. Absolutely true. Has nothing in the world to do with ANY PART of law requiring appreciation.
#6 not killing people. Invented by Christians 2,000 years ago? You CANNOT be serious. Was ancient Greece just a jungle of people killing others without any law against it? Wow!
#7 Millions of Christians are constantly guilty of adultery by remarrying. Should there be a jail sentence for them?
#8 & #9 stealing and telling lies were never frowned upon until the last 2,000 years? This is hysterically funny,.
#10 being jealous of other people leads to stealing. In some cases it's true. It has ZERO legal significance.
You offered NOTHING to make Christianity unique. All the things you mentioned existed LONG LONG LONG before 2,000 years ago Wow!
Mary H, "I cannot believe the audacity people have!"
It is the height of audacity, little Ms. ant, to proclaim that you and your primitive fantasy book are the truth.
Well said Mary!
> As usual, there are a bunch of atheists here attempting to discredit my God.
If your God is the one represented in the bible, it's easy to disprove your God because it's internally contradictory. God cannot be just and merciful at the same time, because one implies that the correct amount of action is taken in a situation and the other is that you take less action then you should because of an action.
> Our justice system would not exist without these commandments.
Our exact legal system would not exist, but a reasonable legal system would still exist. How do legal systems in countries without the christian God arise?
> They are the cornerstone of this country.
3 out of 10 are law. How are they the cornerstone.
> If you atheists can't see that, then you are terribly blind, and you will be judged by the Lord.
So you say. I'm also told that I'll be judged by Allah, Shiva and Zeus. I'm told by the faithful that their beliefs are exactly correct and everyone else is wrong. How do I determine who is correct?
> I feel sorry for all of you.
This is the representation of the sheer arrogance of christianity and other religions. They instil this wall of "us and them" and assert that they're correct. Only a fool has absolute certainty that he/she is correct.
> Atheists, you need to get a life.
Have one, thanks. I could care less how you judge my life.
> You may not believe in the truth, but you could do better with your time.
It's been my experience that things that are true don't have to go around parading themselves as "the truth" because they're self evident. Do I sit around and say "accept the truth of gravity" or "accept nuclear fission, it's the truth". No, because it's needless. Beware of anyone claiming to have the absolute truth and unable to justify it I say.
> If you feel so high and mighty then you can go out and do some charity work.
No, that's you. You're the arrogant one. You're saying you have the absolute answer. We're saying we don't know and need evidence to actually come to a conclusion.
> Maybe the fire under your feet in the afterlife will get turned down a notch if any of you actually do something worthwhile in this one. I doubt it.
An all powerful God that elects to torture someone forever is evil. A good God that needs to be rid of someone would simply blink them out of existence. Your God is immoral and evil.
Amen, Mary... He WILL see!
That appointment is pending....
"And fearfulness wil surprise the hypocrites, the balsphemers and all uf the ungodly...
If the righteous (the ones who have put theri trust in the Lord) will be scarecly saved, WHAT will the ungodly do in the day of judgment?"( THe Word of God)
there may be those who speak against me but all I wish to do is say that we, the human species and everything else on this planet, owe everything we were and could be given proper leadership to the ALMIGHTY SUN. think about it, its a logical thing to worship if you are to worship anything...but if you can't see and feel your "god" shouldn't you ask youself why? that is when its time to look up towards the one true GIVER OF LIFE.
And what of the things that live in total darkness? To whom do they owe their life?
@hippypoet
Actually, we owe everything to stars that have gone nova. This extreme heat was needed to create elements heavier than hydrogen and helium.
We owe far more to stars, than we do to any Jesus, for our existence.
Cheers!
@David Johnson
And exactly which part of any of that can you prove?
Zerotown.. you worship the wrong son..it should be sun.. the suns that created the elements that allowed us to exist died for us.. The iron in your blood, and the iron in your car, the iron in nails, the gold in the popes hats and the teeth of rock stars . all came from a supernova eons ago and was swept up by the proto earth as it was finding its place in the solar system.. there are many books on the subject and much compelling evidence . It is a beautiful history that connects us with the universe .. we are children of the universe .
@hippypoet
Quit bogarting. Did you get the SPF 50? YOUR God can give people cancer just like Mary and Swain's God. They can both be a little unpleasant that way. LATHER UP!
@evolvedDNA
Sounds like an interesting series of perfect storm moments to create such a balanced ecosystem with nothing more than a violent explosion. Or was it a more gentle passing for the sun's that allowed "proto-earth" to form?
Zerotown no.. it was not perfect at all.. there are many life forms that could not exist, silicon based life for one, but as we are carbon based our planet was able to support us. We are here because of that and are able to contemplate the universe and invent gods. Life is far from perfect we are subject to disease, and even the human body has flaws that can only be explained by evolution.. the vas deferens in males for one, and many others..to detailed to go into here but there is lots available in books.
Zerotown just reread you comment and i see your question.. no.. as the stars exploded they expelled their heavy metals and elements out into space..this space dust, as seen today in telescopes in distant galaxies, was captured by gravity over eons by what much later became our sun, and as the particles of dust started to coalesce they got larger and larger to form larger bodies...one of which became the earth.The earth contains some of the heavy metals from these dead suns.. and there you are..beautiful.. then the story of life begins..
I suggest you read "Atom" by Kraus (sp?) for an excellent and entertaining description of what happened to a few atoms just after The Big Bang.
@hippypoet You can appreciate the sun without worshipping it. If you wrote an appreciation rather than a call to worship, you would have gotten a much more positive response, I'm sure. Also, you really crudded up your appreciation with the total fiction that the climate would be a lot hotter if the earth was a few hundred feet closer to the sun and a lot colder if it was a few hundred feet farther away. Total nonsense of the sort that is no more endearing coming from a sun worshipper than it is coming from Christian creationists.
But as far as creating and sustaining nature and humanity, several have already noted other, past stars. Also, don't forget the earth! The sun without the earth would be just another star!
Please watch this video. Prof. Krauss even explains how something could have come from nothing. Really watch it, and think!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo
Cheers!
@BROWN NOTES, post 9:32: How would you like to live in that world? Do you think you would screw up very much? That is exactly why those laws were made. You see, these people were a chosen people a royal preisthood to represent Him to the world. They were to be as near a perfect people as possible, so there were very strict rules. Look at it this way: If you were chosen to be the honor guard for the POTUS and you screwed up, what would happen. Granted you wouldn't be put in front of a fireing squad, but you couldn't be a part of the honor guard either. God loves us and will forgive, but He will not be triffeled with, there will be no rebels in His kingdom, and the world is full of the in and out of the church. It has been said of church goers; there is not five in a hundred that will be saved. But, these were not like the 10 commandments, they were civil laws; they were nailed to the cross.
Hey Bo, when do you plan on leaving your invisible "god" to come to the light of truth and acceptance of life?
@hippy
Hey man, you are starting to catch on! Stars rule!
Why is censorship more justified than tolerance?
It isn't. From either side.
Oh, are you saying that not allowing this judge to display the 10 commandments is censorship? It isn't. There are severe restrictions on the free speech rights of government employees in their official capacity. The judge is free to display the 10 commandments at home, but not at work.
It's not censorship if it's against the Bible/God of Abraham/Jesus Christ, prohibiting that is called "tolerance"
It would only be censorship if it was against Islam/Buddhism/etc..., prohibiting that would be "intolerance"
sad but true
> It's not censorship if it's against the Bible/God of Abraham/Jesus Christ, prohibiting that is called "tolerance"
It would only be censorship if it was against Islam/Buddhism/etc..., prohibiting that would be "intolerance"
Oh woe is me, the Christians are being persectued again because we're not allowing them to have their holy displays in public areas. You know what's hilarious though, if it was Islamic law on the walls by an islamic judge they'd freak out. And that's what we call hypocritical.
> sad but true
It's not true. Point to me where in the US a public display of another religion was allowed to exist in the name of tolerance. Otherwise, you're talking out of your butt. Which isn't surprising.
@bobinator
An example, you mean like this?
http://www.freedomforum.org/templates/doc ument.asp?doc umentID=17348 (you'll have to remove the spaces in the word "docu ment" which the cnn filter doesnt care for)
NYC schools ban Nativity scenes but allow Jewish, Islamic symbols
Granted they allowed the Hanukkah menorah, but they disallowed Nativity while allowing Islamic star and crescent.
I accept your apology 🙂
Will no one come unto MY GOD? The almighty giver of life. It can be seen and touched (among other things). Behold MY PE-NIS the great bringer of life! I defy the SUN god to be so magnificent as my MAN-HOOD! Behold it's greatness and beauty and worship in IT's great AFTER GLOW! You can even write the ten commandmants on there if you want! BASK IN THE GLORY!
If I were to come unto your god, I would need a spaceship to get close enough and my sperm would vaporize before it got close anyway.
Sun god fail.
@Ephemeral
All you need to do is look up at the sun. Feel it's heat. You are defeating your own logic.
Being stupid won't get you far. I hope you really practice your version though, get up close and personal to the sun! Really I hope you get that spaceship to travel to the heart of the sun.
What do I care about the Sun? MY GOD is far superior!
Answer, I cannot even figure out why you would post such a retarded response to my response.
Don't go poking the sleeping dragon here. I am usually on your side and have enjoyed many of your posts in the past.
Just not this one, k?
hippypoet fan
Please disregard my first response. I see I didn't read your post closely enough. Your penis sounds like a personal god and not one I need to worry about. Thanks anyway.
Shame and disgrace. No followers. My life story.
@Ephemeral
I don't care if you do take my side. I just stated the ridiculous and fed back the stupidity on your post. We can all be ridiculous and still have fun at it.
@sleeping dragon
But it was KIND of funny, in an immature, what is the dumbest thing I can think of to compare to a Sun god kind of way, right? Just a little? I got a good pun or two in there. I chuckled a litttle. Hippypoet will never get to enjoy my post though, it is way past "BAKED-THIRTY". I will be good from now on I promise.
you may do what you wish under the ALMIGHTY SUN'S light, just as long as you get a willing creature. May the ALMIGHTY SUN's warmth fill you as you fill your worldly creature. 🙂 enjoy that which was given to you. THANKS TO THE ALMIGHTY SUN.
Crunchy Groove, you are awake! I was getting depressed and worshipping body parts!
whorshipping body parts can do that to a person. yes i am awake, i have been tring to post, couldn't get to the computer... thought your post was funny, but i am acting as a prophet like that of those in the so called holy bible, in any forms... so i must go around preaching, i may still talk about whatever. i have come to a end of possible arguements to make against relgious nuts so i decided to make a religion and argue from inside. its an interesting thing to 1 do and 2 live thru. MAY THE LIGHT OF THE ALMIGHTY SUN SHINE UPON YOU!
We should all be so lucky to be 80 years old and walk up and down mountains and carry the huge stone tables! For all that effort can't we just tack the commandants on the wall a little bit, hmmmm?
Ya know, "judicial temperament" is one of the requirements for that job. He clearly hasn't got ANY. Get rid of him. Anyone SO lacking in sesitivity to this issue does NOT belong on the courts.
ooops...sensitivity
You are correct. This judge should be disbarred for his blatant disregard of the law, as shown by his repeated violations of it.
How come God never writes anymore? Writer's block I suppose. Plus no one wants to carry stone tables up and down mountains when they have theiir smart phone handy.
Usually writing is not one of the main ways God ever communicated in the scriptures.
@uncouth
No, really?
When ppl state simple things, don't get upset when ppl talk simply to you.
Those internet tubes are a bit too complex for god. He doesn't even have his own website. Well, maybe he had one on Windows but it crashed or Satan hacked it.
@uncouth
You got the "simple" part right!
Sorry. I accidentally hit the "abuse tab".
Don't forget that Moses had the only sample of God's handwriting ever and destroyed them in a hissy fit.
We have meds and therapy for that now.
Uncouth probably knows every last little tidbit and word coming from god. That is why he is so simple.
he destroyed one set and then tooth fairy god wrote another set
http://www.positiveatheism.org/crt/whichcom.htm
@Uncouth Swain
You said: "Usually writing is not one of the main ways God ever communicated in the scriptures."
Well, let's see...
I think we can rule out god being illiterate, since He is Omniscient and all. He wrote on stone tablets, probably because they were the most durable at the time. 'Cept no one has ever found the tablets or the Arc of the Covenant. So, I guess there is no evidence of this.
God may have not wanted to write, when most were illiterate. But, eventually someone had to write down the almighty's words. So, God could have written down his message and avoided typos and poor memories.
My favorite:
The reason god did not write a lot, is probably because the tales of god were just that...stories. Created and retold a thousand times by the campfire. I can almost see it. Exciting episodes of dreams and prophesy and wars and ... tired now.
Cheers!
Mary..why is it that just repeating bible quotes causes the automatic sacrifice gene in you to fire up..sorry it all sounds so strange but it is your bible, and with out the interpretation that usually dilutes the wierd bits you can obviously see it is BS.
Wow...so many angry little ppl here. CS...you are simple. Sorry that the truth hurts. Maybe you'll try and act like an adult instead of a jerk next time, but I doubt it.
As to David, you may guess about God all you want. It's not like there are not enough va*gue factless opinions here already.
@Uncouth Swain
You said: "As to David, you may guess about God all you want. It's not like there are not enough va*gue factless opinions here already."
The Christian god is a human construct. Or do you have evidence this is not so?
Cheers!
"The Christian god is a human construct. Or do you have evidence this is not so?"
You made the first statement as if fact..."The Christian god is a human construct". Can you prove your statement with science? Plz...cite who created the concept, why did they do it, how did they, where and when. This is your big chance..don't disappoint.
Cheers!
Those same 10 Commandments are what the Islamic Sharia is built on...!
Mohammed's brother slept with 5 thugs and now we see the result. Nothing.
which set of ten commandments
there were two sets
"there were two sets"
Just for fun, can you give a citation for this.
If I were God I would have whacked Moses upside the head for breaking those tablets.
The you need to read the texts again and see what did happen.
Actually there were 628 commandments, which were edited down to ten, but Jews were expected to keep them all. No one ever said they could pick and choose.
@uncouth
You CANNOT be that dense. Besides, I have my Golden Cow right here on my desk and am dancing around naked right now, so watch your temper and don't get mad a break anything!
swain
you are a predictable classic christian
you dont know about the two sets of ten commandments
lol
seriously you need to do a little research
try google
read your bible
the first set of commandments were said to have been written by god
then they were destroyed so this bible god said it would write the same commandments down again
but it made a mistake and wrote a different set of ten commandments
the bible god promised to write the same commandments
but it must have forgotten what the first set said
because it looked nothing like the second
im curious to know how many christians actually read these bibles
or do they all just listen to interpretation man at the pulpit spouting trash
they all say this is what the scripture means but they dont even know that the bible is not meant to be interpreted
by the way swain
here are your two sets of commandments since you probably wont bother to look it up yourself
copied and pasted http://www.positiveatheism.org/crt/whichcom.htm
1. I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before me.
1. Thou shalt worship no other god (For the Lord is a jealous god).
2. You shall not make for yourself a graven image. You shall not bow down to them or serve them.
2. Thou shalt make thee no molten gods.
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.
3. The feast of unleavened bread shalt thou keep in the month when the ear is on the corn.
4. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
4. All the first-born are mine.
5. Honor your father and your mother.
5. Six days shalt thou work, but on the seventh thou shalt rest.
6. You shall not kill.
6. Thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, even of the first fruits of the wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end.
7. You shall not commit adultery
7. Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leavened bread.
8. You shall not steal.
8. The fat of my feast shall not remain all night until the morning.
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
9. The first of the first fruits of thy ground thou shalt bring unto the house of the Lord thy God.
10. You shall not covet.
10. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in its mother's milk.
oh and then theres some punishments from the all loving god of the bible
because god is so loving
1. Exodus 22:20: He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the Lord only, he shall be utterly destroyed.
2. Leviticus 24:16: And he that blasphemeth the name of the Lord, he shall surely be put to death.
3. Exodus 31:15: Whosoever doeth any work in the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
4. Exodus 21:15: He that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.
5. Exodus 21:17: He that curseth his father or his mother, shall surely be put to death.
6. Exodus 22:19: Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death.
7. Leviticus 20:13: If a man lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death.
8. Leviticus 20:10: And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall be put to death.
9. Mark 16:16: He that believeth not, shall be damned.
10. Malachi 2:1-4: And now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you. If you will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart to give glory to my name, ... behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces.
what
no pretentious rebuttal as usual swain
daft tool
You WILL be judged on judgment day by the Lord, so you need to stop being so careless about how you speak of the Bible. You don't know what it means. You are simply twisting it around to benefit your incorrect arguments. I am thankful to Jesus that I am not lost like you, but I will be praying that you turn your life around.
@Central Scrutinizer- I will take it that means you did not do the research. The loss is yours.
@TBN- You are humorous..I don't give an answer and you as_sume that which works in your favor. Pitiful child....very pitiful.
if religion was banned from the public eye then this woudnt be a problem
so sick of money being wasted on this trash
we dont need the ten commandments to tell us how to live
beside which ten commandments do they want
there were two sets
god screwed up
just kidding
there is no god
Mr.Brown.
Might look as if i deserve it as it seemed and commented by you but the truth is that I believed in your freedom of expression and that was what I got,a terror message but let me clarify why we as Muslims are mostly hated;
How Islam should be Judged?
Before Islam they worship idols
After worshiping the one absolute God
Before Islam they didn’t know Jesus or Mary or any prophets
After Islam who deny Jesus or Mary become blasphemer
Before no payers no charity no family relation
After Islam it become must
Before Islam us-u-ry and slavery adultery was common
After Islam got forbidden
Before Islam women has no value and all her property to her husband
After Islam become her own she can do what she like within Islamic laws
Before Islam the girls-child were buried alive
After Islam no girls-child were buried alive
Before Islam no laws or guidance to people
After Islam established the laws or guidance to people( sharia)
Before Islam tribes killing each others
After Islam they became brothers
Before Islam there was no education
After Islam became must and first word came to Muhammad from the angle was (read)
Before Islam no scientific study
After Islam seculars in chemistry and math the no.1234 are Arabic and innovated the ZERO
Before Islam they were tribes
After Islam became empire from Spain to china
And More……. I cannot do it
The Big change in history done by ( illiterate ) prophet Muhammad peace be up on him brought the people from darkness to light , but most people killed by the pride they do not want to admitted .
Quran verses;
40) And certainly We have repeated (warnings) in this Quran that they may be mindful, but it does not add save to their aversion. (41).
(88) And certainly We have explained for men in this Quran every kind of similitude, but most men do not consent to aught but denying. (89).
And certainly We have explained in this Quran every kind of example, and man is most of all given to contention. (54).
Islam is most hated for forbidding (Us-u-r-y) and Slavery-1
http://groups.google.com/group/uk-911-truth/browse_thread/thread/60ca035f7bd0f152
Islam is most hated for forbidding (Us-u-r-y) and Slavery-2
http://groups.google.com/group/total_truth_sciences/browse_thread/thread/1031db57c63ea8f4
Islam is most hated for forbidding (Us-u-r-y) and Slavery-3
http://www.scribd.com/doc/13280717/Us!u!r!y-and-the-Fight-Against-Economic-Slavery
Islam is most hated for forbidding (Us-u-r-y) and Slavery-4
http://www.slideshare.net/brighteyes/ancient-slavery-us!u!r!y-and-property-regimes
@TBN While I am reluctant to dignify your latest dictatorial with yet another reply, tell me: If it were legal for gov't to ban religious displays, what couldn't the gov't ban in the realms of freedom of speech, thought and conscience?
seriously
i dont care about the koran
ive read the bloody thing
its horrible
i said from the public eye
i didnt say people couldnt practice it in their homes
religion is not freedom of expression
one does not express themself through religion
the idea is the other way around
but since god does not exist theres nothing to express through humans
religion should be treated the same as the tooth fairy or santa
some children believe in them
just like god
stupid people and or poor people and children believe in god
people who go out and do instead of pray are the successful ones
its funny how many people profess to be educated
then they say they believe in god or theyre a christian
@TBN If you ban all religious displays from the public eye, you are OBVIOUSLY curtailing freedom of expression. You are the sort of atheist who really IS as bad as the religious fundamentalists.
and how is it a freedom of expression
please explain this one in detail
if you think expression is what religion is all about then you dont understand religion
i dont think the idiots that wrote the bible or the koran had endorsements in mind when writing this garbage
religion is obviously a belief in something that doesnt exist
so please explain what there is to express in as much detail as possible
here
ill make it all better so you can stop crying ok
instead of banning religion from the public eye
then how about this
prove your god exists and then you can practice your religion in public
there
happy now
hey you cant get a drivers license without a birth certificate
so why should people be allowed to start churches when they cant provide proof of god
go ahead complain some more
im sure theres plenty more that makes you unhappy about how youre opressed
express yourself fairy
waiting on you madonna
well princess im done waiting
Sometimes someone says something so stupid that one barely knows where to begin. How is proclaiming a religious belief expression? Are you REALLY that stupid? Are you totally unaware of all the argumentation surrounding the flag burning cases? Yes, burning a flag, a non-verbal act, IS expression and protected as free speech. THAT you are presumably willing to swallow, but someone displaying (openly but not on governmental property) the 10 Commandments or simply professing a faith in Jesus or Allah or whatever is NOT expression? Fortunately, no one who matters will ever agree with you. But people like you do sully the cause of non-believers, who are clamoring for MORE freedom. When atheists like you and kimsland and William Demuth advocate for the official oppression of religion, you have gone over to the dark side with the religious fundamentalists and everyone else who wants to rule everyone else's life harshly.
Excuse me I might have been mistaken because I thought that at this Belief&Religion Blog I can express my religious beliefs and explain it to those of other religious beliefs but really surprised to see that those of no religious belief get in the middle to shut us up under the excuse of free expression that deprives us from the right of expression....!?
There is a difference between reading the Quran and try understanding the Quran..!! It only reveals to whom tries understanding it and not those reading it with out real understanding....!
like i said johnboy
you dont understand religion
beside
even the stupid bible tells them christians that doing their crap in public isnt right
Matthew 6:5
"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full."
they need to keep it in their basements
so pipe your commentary down about this expression thing genius
religion is supposed to be an inward personal experience
not some outward expression youre making up
muneef
you obviously dont understand this whole freedom thing or how it works
private organizations can forbid religious trash
Law and religion should remain seperate due to the fact that not all people believe in the same religion but all people should uphold the law because the law is blind and equal. Not all Christains let alone Americans follow all 10 commandments therefore they should be held up as the law or even seen as the foundation of the law. The country was founded on the right to religion and the right against religion. The non believer has the right to believe as the choose as well as Jew, Christain, Muslim, hindu, Buddaist, sheike, and anyone else and not have the one religion dominate the buildings where law is blind and just.
Good decision! Just keep a firm and consistent secular line and we'll get somewhere, at very long last.
Well said, John !
Peace...
Hey Peace, in answer to your question...am not in SD right now, but maybe coming out at Thanksgiving, (long story.. doing a semester out East). Maybe then ? YES, it would be a HOOT ! FP is still having more surgeries after the car accy. He says "hi". 😈 .
@Bucky
Sounds good. Well, let me know if you come out this way...
Peace...
Isn't this cute? All the athiests come out to bash the Ten Commandments. Yet, they will be the first in line to cry and bawl and sue and wail, if their property gets stolen, or their partner has an affair, or a family member gets murdered, or their kids treat them like a huge burden and turn their backs, etc. Hypocrits! They turn away from God's Laws, because they want to do "their own thing" and not be held accountable. They are clouds without water. Chaff blowing in the breeze. Empty. Barren. Needless humans that live to serve themselves and hide their evil deeds in darkness.
@when, There were laws against murder, stealing and recommendations to treat each other well long before the 10 Commandments. Do you really think that they were anything new?
Many OT, NT and koran thu-mpers are actually thu-mping the rules and codes of the ancients like King Hammurabi and the Egyptians who wrote the Book of the Dead and who did NOT need revelations from angels or mountain voices to develop needed rules of conduct for us h-o-minids.
"Hail to thee, great God, Lord of the Two Truths. I have come unto thee, my Lord, that thou mayest bring me to see thy beauty. I know thee, I know thy name, I know the names of the 42 Gods who are with thee in this broad hall of the Two Truths . . . Behold, I am come unto thee. I have brought thee truth; I have done away with sin for thee. I have not sinned against anyone. I have not mistreated people. I have not done evil instead of righteousness . . .
I have not reviled the God.
I have not laid violent hands on an orphan.
I have not done what the God abominates . . .
I have not killed; I have not turned anyone over to a killer.
I have not caused anyone's suffering . . .
I have not copulated (illicitly); I have not been unchaste.
I have not increased nor diminished the measure, I have not diminished the palm; I have not encroached upon the fields.
I have not added to the balance weights; I have not tempered with the plumb bob of the balance.
I have not taken milk from a child's mouth; I have not driven small cattle from their herbage...
I have not stopped (the flow of) water in its seasons; I have not built a dam against flowing water.
I have not quenched a fire in its time . . .
I have not kept cattle away from the God's property.
I have not blocked the God at his processions."
"The Book of the Dead was written circa 1800 BCE. 2 The Schofield Reference Bible estimates that the Hebrew Exodus from Egypt and the provision of the Ten Commandments on Mount Sinai occurred in 1491 BCE., some three centuries later. Many religious liberals, historians, and secularists have concluded that the Hebrew Scripture's Ten Commandments were based on this earlier docu-ment, rather than vice-versa."
Know what.......Yes. I absolutely do think the Ten Commandments were handed down by God to set the people straight. Of course God's Laws are written on our hearts but He was making a statement to His people, at that time, because they were a bunch of partying "whiny pants" as is human nature. There is nothing wrong with the Ten Commandments and the only reason non-believers object to them is because the believers say they are from God. If we said they came from Plato or Gene Simmons of Kiss, they'd be OK.
Don't even bother, Reality. Your dribble is so full of UNreality, I don't even read it anymore. Dull, boring, misinformed, IQ of 80 material that needs to be dumped in the nearest trash.
hit report abuse to all reality posts
When...Humans had to co exist long before we invented the gods. I have asked before but what did the bible teach that was utterly unknown to humanity previously?
@when
That's a laugh. The biblical 10 commandments are bogus. The first 4 are all about worship directed at God. What a wasted opportunity to get a few more REAL moral or ethical guidelines in there. Only 2 really make any sense at all. Don't murder or steal, and even these have reasonable exceptions. Not committing adultery is just a stupid rule as is not being allowed to covet what others have. Honoring your parents only makes sense if they aren't jerks and nobody would bear false witness unless they were jerks. Take a university ethics course to get a grasp of what it actually means to make a moral choice. The consequences of your decisions are the scale upon which a weighted value can be placed on how much good or bad comes from morals. The basic idea has always been to do as little harm as possible and no civilization in history could have arisen without rules favoring the common good. Morals, like society, are always in flux and evolve to reflect the society they protect. This was true long before the Bible was written and will continue to be true long after it is ignored as the messed up fiction it is.
you spelled hypocrites wrong genius
by the way
morality existed before your bible or koran or whatever was written
so did marriage
although you religious types seem to think marriage is a religious thing
it isnt
reality sucks eh
there is no god
therefore there is no such thing as gods law
you need to figure out which set of ten commandments you want to follow
because two different sets of commandments were written
most christians dont know about it because theyre stupid
and they never read their worthless bibles
predictable
40% of the Ten Commandments are for God's vanity: how to praise ME.
@TBN-"there is no god"
Too bad you've never proven what your are implying here.
It never ceases to amaze me how often people still believe that our laws were based off of the 10 Commandments. It would be silly if it wasn't true. It would be silly to imagine that people thought killing, stealing, lying, and adultery were ok until Moses came down the mountain. It's not like we couldn't (and we did) figure that out on our own.
swain
but the bible has proven itself to be false in its claims
so
show me this god of yours
@Uncouth Swain
@TBN-"there is no god"
Too bad you've never proven what your are implying here.
–Clearly you yourself have never proven your god's existence. You can proclaim it. That is all your kind ever does.
@Uncouth Swain: if your god exists and if he answers some prayers why have all the prayers for all of the amputees always gone unanswered? Maybe your god isn’t up to the job? Or maybe he doesn’t exist?
@Answer-"Clearly you yourself have never proven your god's existence. You can proclaim it. That is all your kind ever does."
I have proclaimed nothing. I have asked that which would prove that God exists and no one ever gives me a straight answer.
@Scott-other-"if your god exists and if he answers some prayers why have all the prayers for all of the amputees always gone unanswered? Maybe your god isn’t up to the job? Or maybe he doesn’t exist?"
or maybe you could guess about a thousand times more basing everyone of your guesses on the same ignorance you are displaying right now. At least each guess would be the same in probability.
Interesting that 6 christians (assumming that other christians will allow me to refer to catholics as christians) and 3 jews have thrown out the 10 commandments. Nice to see, at least on this occasion, that believers can put the law, applicable to all, above their tribal legends.
rip it down, it doesn't belong anywhere near any building devoted to justice!
May the ALMIGHTY SUN shine its light upon you.
Just curious, but will prayer make my solar panels more efficient?
MY GOD is the almighty giver of life. It can be seen and touched (among other things). Behold MY PE-NIS the great bringer of life! I defy the SUN god to be so magnificent as my MAN-HOOD! Behold it's greatness and beauty and worship in IT's great AFTER GLOW!
What the Ohio judge should have hung on his wall:
(one of the more important reviews of the 21st century)
origin: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20E1EFE35540C7A8CDDAA0894DA404482 NY Times
New Torah For Modern Minds
“Abraham, the Jewish patriarch, probably never existed. Nor did Moses. The entire Exodus story as recounted in the Bible probably never occurred. The same is true of the tumbling of the walls of Jericho. And David, far from being the fearless king who built Jerusalem into a mighty capital, was more likely a provincial leader whose reputation was later magnified to provide a rallying point for a fledgling nation.
Such startling propositions - the product of findings by archaeologists digging in Israel and its environs over the last 25 years - have gained wide acceptance among non-Orthodox rabbis. But there has been no attempt to disseminate these ideas or to discuss them with the laity - until now.
The United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism, which represents the 1.5 million Conservative Jews in the United States, has just issued a new Torah and commentary, the first for Conservatives in more than 60 years. Called "Etz Hayim" ("Tree of Life" in Hebrew), it offers an interpretation that incorporates the latest findings from archaeology, philology, anthropology and the study of ancient cultures. To the editors who worked on the book, it represents one of the boldest efforts ever to introduce into the religious mainstream a view of the Bible as a human rather than divine doc-ument.
The notion that the Bible is not literally true "is more or less settled and understood among most Conservative rabbis," observed David Wolpe, a rabbi at Sinai Temple in Los Angeles and a contributor to "Etz Hayim." But some congregants, he said, "may not like the stark airing of it." Last Passover, in a sermon to 2,200 congregants at his synagogue, Rabbi Wolpe frankly said that "virtually every modern archaeologist" agrees "that the way the Bible describes the Exodus is not the way that it happened, if it happened at all." The rabbi offered what he called a "LITANY OF DISILLUSION”' about the narrative, including contradictions, improbabilities, chronological lapses and the absence of corroborating evidence. In fact, he said, archaeologists digging in the Sinai have "found no trace of the tribes of Israel - not one shard of pottery."
Why should he put up a liberal slanted and out of date opinion piece from the NYTimes?
Uncouth,
Once again, it is not an opinion piece but is a review of the New Torah for Modern Minds. You can buy a copy at amazon.com
"Etz Hayim: Torah and Commentary (Hardcover) $58.00
~ David L. Lieber (Editor), Jules Harlow (Editor), United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism (Corporate Author), The Rabbinical Assembly (Corporate Author)
4.7 out of 5 stars (15 customer reviews)
"The United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism (USCJ) is the primary organization of synagogues practicing Conservative Judaism in North America. It closely works with the Rabbinical Assembly, the international body of Conservative rabbis, the Jewish Theological Seminary of America, and the Ziegler School of Rabbinic Studies.[1]"
@Reality It would be totally inappropriate for a judge to hang that post. Grab a clue.
JohnR,
Tis a bit of satire taking the entire topic to task for featuring commandments that more than likely were not handed down from god to mythical Moses but were lifted by the Jewish scribes from the codes/laws of the Egyptians and/or Babylonians.
plz hit report abuse on all reality posts
" it is not an opinion piece but is a review of the New Torah for Modern Minds."
If it's a review...then it is an opinion.
until you show me this god of yours
then its a fact
not an opinion
@TBN- oh your warped grasp on reality is so funny.
So I guess the judge sentences stoning for disobedient children.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIaORknS1Dk
Unless you're a 2,000 year old Jewish man, the Bible is not law.
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to put on my poly/cotton blended coat to go pick up a pepperoni pizza after a hard day of tending my field that has 3 kinds of crops.
HERETIC!!
BURN THE HEATHEN!!!! Clearly you are evil if you grow all those crops in the same field.
I don't think the 2,000 years part is that relevant Doc.
But pass over a cheeseburger and we can discuss it.
@Doc Vestibule,
Are saying that it only existed as legal statute 2000 years ago in Israel?