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October 5th, 2011
01:53 PM ET

School tells girl wearing rosary violates dress code

An Omaha, Nebraska, sixth-grader was told she could not wear a necklace with a cross to school because the rosary has become an identifying symbol for gangs, CNN affiliate KETV reported.

Elizabeth Carey told KETV that wearing a rosary is an expression of her faith, but Fremont Public Schools says it is a violation of its dress code.

"I'm wearing a cross necklace, a cross T-shirt and a cross bracelet. I'm thinking of how Jesus died on the cross and how he gave up all his sins for us," Elizabeth told KETV.

Schools Superintendent Steve Sexton says the issue is about safety, not religion.

"We had information from law enforcement that there were documented instances of gang activity in the area, and we had information that states that the rosary was being used as a symbol of gang affiliation," Sexton told KETV.

"There are those who want to make this an issue about religion when it's about a singular goal - to create a safe environment for our students,” he said.

Omaha’s Catholic Archdiocese is disappointed with the school's decision.

"I don't think Christians should have to forfeit what is the symbol for the love of Christ because a few people want to misuse that symbol," Archdiocese Chancellor Rev. Joseph Taphorn told KETV.

The American Civil Liberties Union also has gotten involved.

"We understand the serious concerns about gangs in schools, but Fremont Public Schools should demonstrate there is a concrete gang connection before shutting down a student's free speech and religious rights,” Amy Miller, the legal director for the ACLU in Nebraska, told KETV,

"If the ACLU has another view, we will gladly listen to it, but the fact is one year ago we were alerted to the fact that wearing the rosary as jewelry had a gang affiliation,” Sexton said. “We took the position that we did after careful discussion with our attorneys."

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Belief • Catholic Church • Christianity • Church and state • Nebraska • United States

soundoff (1,104 Responses)
  1. kimsland

    Do loved ones of prisoners sent to death wear needles around their neck or an electric chair?
    I go along with the school, I think they should have also given the cross to metalwork kids to bash with a hammer.
    Now that would be good news.

    And regarding Freedom of Religion.
    OH, I thought we were talking about Freedom of Ridiculous.
    Yes I DO find that ridiculous, and I don't quite understand why others don't.
    I do actually hope that oneday we will have totally freedom of religion, and that religion will just not exist in anyone's mind anymore (except as a fairytale or joke of what people once thought even up to the beginning of the 21st century)

    Yes religion is idiotic.

    October 5, 2011 at 7:57 pm |
  2. Chokomoko

    If Jesus came back he would wear the nerd jeans like Obama lol!

    October 5, 2011 at 7:35 pm |
    • Observer

      Jesus would probably get along great with Obama. It's the uncaring greedy rich that Jesus disliked.

      October 5, 2011 at 8:56 pm |
  3. santosaint

    If you weren't supposed to WEAR a rosary then why do nuns wear them? Again, it's what your state of faith is and what is the underlying reason for wearing the rosary that makes the difference.

    October 5, 2011 at 7:15 pm |
  4. santosaint

    If we are going to allow gangs to dictate our laws and regulations, we have already lost. The real problem here is that you would deny someone's civil rights by protecting gangs. The fact that you have this obvious affiliation and association with gang activity then interview the ones wearing the cross or rosary and make the determination of who is a gang member or not. This best utilizes the information the school received and doesn't deny anyones civil rights.

    October 5, 2011 at 7:12 pm |
    • Ohio Paul

      It's school's job to provide an education in a safe environment. Since when do they care about a 12 year old's "civil rights"? I remember school as being the most dictorial place I have ever been. The Rules are the only thing that matter to educators...they hundreds and maybe thousands of students to protect. The rules can't be gray...or chaos would reign.

      October 6, 2011 at 3:32 pm |
  5. s

    i can't figure this one out... i went to a catholic gradeschool, and we were taught that it was sacrilege to wear a rosary like it was just some necklace, so idk that she should be wearing it anyway. it's not right to let the little gangster brats dictate school dress code, but i find myself really offended, even as a lapsed catholic who no longer adheres to that particular faith, that anyone should think to wear a rosary as a necklace. a rosary is not for public display of ones religiosity, it's for private meditation, or is it different for other churches? idk, i just can't see wearing the thing, your supposed to use it to pray, count of the decades, you know? either way, this is a public school, if it weren't the gang affiliation thing, it would be some other parent not wanting their kid exposed to this seemingly uber christian child. she's got on her cross t-shirt and bracelet, that's enough, drop it already. her dad needs to remind her to honor the mother of jesus by using that rosary the way it was intended and say some hail mary's.

    October 5, 2011 at 6:17 pm |
    • Virginia

      Wearing a rosary around your neck is sacrilege. Stupid people.

      October 5, 2011 at 6:34 pm |
    • Wicket

      Agreed. Also this, " "'I don't think Christians should have to forfeit what is the symbol for the love of Christ because a few people want to misuse that symbol'," Archdiocese Chancellor Rev. Joseph Taphorn"...what? I don't think it has EVER been OK to wear a rosary as a necklace/jewelry. What is Chancellor talking about? Perhaps it wasn't an actual rosary, but a beaded necklace with a crucifix.

      October 5, 2011 at 6:52 pm |
    • santosaint

      Too bad you missed diagnosed the situation by saying that wearing a rosary is sacrileges, it's the reason you are wearing it that makes it so. Since you are a lost soul (moving away from the church Christ established here on earth), I will explain...the reason she gives for wearing the cross and the rosary is to remember what Christ did for her/us. This is not sacrileges, an example of this would be when I was young and stupid...I wore a rosary as a choker as part of my outfit to go out and drink and dance. This was disrespectful but still not sacrileges because MAN MADE THINGS can not be SO seen as an item of worship, this would be idol worship. Your welcome.

      October 5, 2011 at 7:06 pm |
    • santosaint

      The rosary is a tool used to meditate and come into commune with God. The man made item itself has no place in holiness but only a meditation piece to reflect, pray and come into a spiritual commune with God our Creator.

      October 5, 2011 at 7:09 pm |
    • Richard S Kaiser

      Symbolism is but watered down Idolatry. Icons are the same. Idolatrousness as in Tv icons, celebrities, movie stars and the list goes on are all formed from the idolatry tree.

      October 5, 2011 at 7:24 pm |
    • Really???

      So, Are you a ashes & holly? It sounds like you haven't kept up with current customs.

      October 5, 2011 at 8:22 pm |
    • Really???

      Since you are lapsed, by your own account, you might be unaware that Catholic school children are encouraged to wear the rosary now. My grandfather's mother wore her rosary. My grandfather wore his when he had a set of prayers to complete later & he always had at least one with him. I have never heard it was wrong to wear the rosary as a devotion. I was told many times that wearing it confers a special blessing. Praying a rosary takes one day of purgatory from your soul or those in whose behalf you pray. May I suggest you reconnect by using the catholic.org.com website. I do not know how long you have been gone, but I know you will always be welcomed back. Today or whenever.

      October 5, 2011 at 11:08 pm |
  6. Mr Orca

    I want a t-shirt with Baby Jesus riding a divine steed (half dromedary/half timber wolf) and leaping majestically through a giant flaming wicket.
    And Jesus's eyes glow in the dark.

    October 5, 2011 at 6:07 pm |
  7. dudley0418

    “We took the position that we did after careful discussion with our attorneys."

    Seems like they would have said that they took this position after having spoken with their Safety Director, since it was about safety, as they said. Or maybe after having spoken with the chief of police or the sheriff. Not sure what the attorneys have to do with it. Principal: "How can we ban a kid from wearing a cross?" Counsel: "Call it a safety issue."

    October 5, 2011 at 6:06 pm |
    • santosaint

      Right on!

      October 5, 2011 at 7:14 pm |
    • Really???

      I notice that neither the safety officer nor the police department was mentioned. This is a middle school in Omaha Nebraska so it is probably a PC issue that the principal wants to shove down people's throats. I hope the ACLU creams them in court.

      October 5, 2011 at 11:17 pm |
    • Ohio Paul

      So, the schools are supposed to let everyone disobey the rules and do whatever they want? Any business worth a salt checks with thier lawyer before making policy decisions...even a not-for-profit business like a school. Anyone who doesn't is a foll and will be sued eventually...and lose.

      October 6, 2011 at 3:37 pm |
    • Ohio Paul

      btw, it probably went more like this. Safety Director at a School Board Meeting, "We have learned that the crosses and/or Rosaries are being used by local gangs and we think that banning them from schol grounds would be prudent for the saftey of our students." School Board, "We direct the Safety Director to discuss with our lawyers the implications of this decision." They then voted on it after the lawyers said it was o.k. ot ban them for the saftey of the students...I doubt it was a Liberal Plot, afterall this is Bible Belt nebraska were talking about. Isn't it ironic that the religious bash the Liberals and groups like the ACLU, until the need them?

      October 6, 2011 at 3:43 pm |
  8. Wicket

    A rosary is NOT jewelry, it is for praying the Rosary. It shows disrespect to wear it like jewelry, and so I've always assumed only non-Catholics would do such a tacky thing. God is not gaudy, my mother used to say.
    Why can't the girl just wear a tasteful cross or crucifix around her neck if she's that bound to show off her religion?

    October 5, 2011 at 6:01 pm |
    • Really???

      My grandfather said a good Catholic should always have it to hand. He prayed it daily, throughout the day as time permitted.

      October 5, 2011 at 9:38 pm |
    • Know What

      My grandmother used to hold her rosary out at arms-length and point it at cars so that they would stop for her in the crosswalk 🙂

      October 5, 2011 at 11:22 pm |
  9. KeninTexas

    Gang bangers wear jeans too. Should they be banned? How about head scarves? Oh no, you'll have the muslims upset then. They are going too far and splitting hairs with this ban. Just too far by banning the rosary. If anything, they should encourage the kids to have a rosary. And use it for it's designed purpose!

    October 5, 2011 at 5:53 pm |
    • J.W

      Well some gang bangers have hair. Should everyone be forced to be bald?

      October 5, 2011 at 5:58 pm |
    • dudley0418

      The school folks say it was about safety. Not sure the dress code is about safety. If the kid was wearing the necklace in Shop while running a power tool, then they'd have a point. Otherwise, not so much.

      I imagine the diocese is really chagrined that all of their churches are now in danger of being attacked by gangs, what with all of the crosses and rosaries in the churches and schools.

      October 5, 2011 at 6:00 pm |
    • dudley0418

      "Some men are bald by men, others are bald for Christ's sake."

      Little church humor, there...

      October 5, 2011 at 6:02 pm |
    • frenchie

      I think you're missing the point. If she was hanging around a church, a rival gang probably wouldn't approach her. But if she was just walking down the street? What could happen? The school didn't tell her to take off her church t-shirt and cross bracelet. Go back and read the article.

      October 9, 2011 at 2:20 pm |
  10. dudley0418

    So go after the gangs, not the easy, adolescent Christian target, but it's safe to persecute Christians these days. But we were expecting it.

    "Doctor, it hurts when I do this. Then do do that."

    October 5, 2011 at 5:52 pm |
    • MN

      Oh yes, the "poor persecuted christians"......Give me a break! The article stated that she was allowed to wear a cross on her t-shirt and a cross bracelet without a problem, that seems like plenty of a display of her religion and proof that this isn't some hidden agenda attack on Christians.....It is simply about the rosary and nothing else due to it being a gang symbol. Geeze, you people will look for any reason to complain! GET A LIFE

      October 8, 2011 at 3:15 pm |
  11. OnTheRoad

    It is trully amazing just how 'Stupid' some poeple become once 'they' have put in charge of anything!

    October 5, 2011 at 5:51 pm |
  12. Smiley

    "crucifix is a better representation of our faith – especially since we aren't saved by the cross but by the man who sacrificed Himself on it. As St. Paul says "we preach Christ crucified" (1Cor1:23). " From a yahoo user-

    "Keep your eyes on the crucifix,
    for Jesus without the cross
    is a man without a mission,
    and the cross without Jesus
    is a burden without a reliever."

    October 5, 2011 at 5:41 pm |
  13. tensai13

    So my child can wear symbols of Satan on her T-shirt and a crucifix with Jesus nailed to it hanging upside down? That's only fair isn't it? I'm sure it will offend some idiot Christian or Muslim but we don't care about that now do we, and that's not going to disrupt lessons in class is it?

    October 5, 2011 at 5:41 pm |
  14. Bo

    Hey! What happened to Hippy? Did he go down with the sun?

    October 5, 2011 at 5:34 pm |
    • Colin

      credit where it's due. That was witty.

      October 5, 2011 at 5:37 pm |
  15. *frank*

    You did good, Lil Puppet!

    October 5, 2011 at 5:34 pm |
  16. Bo

    @Colin, Please! Don't show your foolisness. If this is a gang symbol she may be in danger, it has nothing to do with religon so far as safety is concerned. There have been many who inocently were wearing gang symbols and were hurt or killed by rival gangs.

    October 5, 2011 at 5:22 pm |
    • Colin

      Bo – Religion won't put her in physical danger, but, as 99% of people adopt the religious views of her parents, she is in grave danger of going through life harboring under the intellectually stultifying fog of the Christian superst.ition.

      October 5, 2011 at 5:36 pm |
    • Really???

      This is a middle school in Omaha Nebraska. The school's safety officer was not quoted in this matter by the principal, only the lawyer. Her safety is very likely a non issue. Political correctness or bigotry is more likely the cause of this unreasonable demand to give up a fundamental right.

      October 5, 2011 at 9:47 pm |
    • MN

      @Really, then PLEASE explain why she was allowed to wear other things to express her faith, like her cross t-shirt and cross bracelet. They didn't make her take those off so how do you somehow make the leap to this being about repressing religion????

      October 8, 2011 at 3:18 pm |
  17. Observer

    It's got to be killing the religious right that their cause is being pushed by the ACLU.

    October 5, 2011 at 5:16 pm |
    • JF

      That was my first thought when I read the article.

      October 5, 2011 at 5:37 pm |
    • dudley0418

      Truth is truth, regardless of from where it comes. The ACLU is finally seeing that religious freedom and expression is a civil liberty and a liberty of all the people not just the left. Applause.

      October 5, 2011 at 5:56 pm |
    • cynthia

      Ditto

      October 5, 2011 at 7:06 pm |
    • Observer

      dudley0418

      "Truth is truth, regardless of from where it comes. The ACLU is finally seeing that religious freedom and expression is a civil liberty and a liberty of all the people not just the left."

      Wrong. They've been both for and against religious groups in the past. It seems like few right-wingers worry about facts or doing research.

      October 5, 2011 at 8:54 pm |
  18. Marichuy

    During comunism you couldn't wear cross on the necklace publicly (work, school,...).

    October 5, 2011 at 5:15 pm |
    • Chokomoko

      In soviet russia, rosary counts you!

      October 5, 2011 at 7:19 pm |
  19. Bo

    @ Doc Post 4:31 Yep! Christians have been waiting a long time in man's terms, but it will happen some day, who knows, nobody. Yes it may be true what some people say about the 2nd return, but what does 1Thessalonians 4:16 say? It doesn't sound or that it is too secret or very silent to me with all those trumpets and the shouting making a noise. Notice also, who will be first to go. If the supposed dead are in heaven, why do they need to raised from the dead? And what does verse 17 say? If we* are caught up to meet Him in the sky, it doesn't sound to me like He will be making a landing any where. --- *Often times when the pronoun "we" is used in the Bible it refers to all Christians, both dead and alive.

    October 5, 2011 at 5:14 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @Bo

      Jesus is not coming back. There will be no rapture.

      Matthew 24:36 "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."

      Hmm... Jesus may not have known the day or the hour, but He did predict a 1st Century return. How can the Messiah and God incarnate be wrong? Can you think of a reason?

      A number of New Testament passages indicate that Christ was supposed to return before his generation had died. This would have been sometime in the first century AD.

      First, there is the testimony of Jesus himself, who explicitly stated that some of his disciples would not die until Jesus inst_ituted the Kingdom, and that his generation would not pass away until all his prophecies of the end of the world had been fulfilled:

      Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

      Matthew 23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

      Jesus' speech in 24 and 25 was given, when He was alone with His disciples.

      Matthew 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

      Matthew 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
      In this discourse, Jesus makes a number of assertions about the fate of his disciples. One of the signs of the end would be the persecution of his disciples:

      Matthew 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

      While tradition records that the disciples were persecuted and martyred, this was not followed by the return of Christ, as he promised. Would they die for a lie? Apparently... Or at least for something they were told and believed. LOL.

      The Apostle Paul, too, seemed to think that Christ would return for his generation:

      I Thessalonians 4:15-17 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

      Note that Paul twice uses the phrase '...we which are alive and remain...'.
      This seems to preclude the theory that Paul was speaking of some far future generation. Paul made a similar assertion in First Corinthians:

      I Corinthians 15:51,52 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

      Note that Paul said that '...we shall not all sleep...'. In other words, he expected that at least some of his generation would not see death.
      Again, there is nothing in the text to indicate that Paul was speaking about some far future generation.

      Paul reiterated his belief in a soon return of Christ in the Book of Romans:

      Romans 13:11-12 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed. The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.

      The other New Testament writers had similar thoughts about the iminence of Christ's return:

      James 5:8 Be ye also patient; establish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.

      I John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. WoW! Obama wasn't even born...How can this be???

      I Peter 4:7 But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.

      The Apocalyptic Book of Revelations repeatedly has Christ saying that he would return soon:

      Revelation 22:20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly....

      By no stretch of the imagination can 2,000 years be considered 'quickly' LOL
      And, to say That a thousand years is like a day to the lord, is dumb. A thousand years is not like a day to humans. An almighty god would certainly understand what "quickly" would mean to humans.

      Jesus was wrong. Jesus has been really busy being really dead, for the last 2,000 years.

      Cheers!

      I know you will want to "spin" this. You must! I will help you by giving you a laundry list of theological gymnastics that believers use:

      Believer's Rule of Thumb: If a bible verse furthers the cause, it is to be taken literally. If a bible verse is detrimental to the cause, it is either: taken out of context; is allegorical; refers to another verse somewhere else; is a translation or copyist's error; means something other than what it actually says; Is a mystery of god or not discernable by humans; or is just plain magic.

      I'm sure one will work! LOL

      Cheers!

      October 5, 2011 at 6:04 pm |
    • dudley0418

      David, we should talk.

      October 5, 2011 at 6:08 pm |
    • martinipaul

      Davey: you certainly don't make good use of the short time left to you. Expending all that time on something that doesn't exist when you could be -

      October 5, 2011 at 6:14 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @dudley0418

      You said: "David, we should talk."

      If your idea of "talk", is to exchange information, and express ideas, then please, begin.

      If your idea of talk is for you to explain god's wants and intents, then that will get old quickly.

      Cheers!

      I

      October 5, 2011 at 6:19 pm |
    • Peace2All

      @DJ

      Good post, per usual.

      Peace...

      October 5, 2011 at 6:22 pm |
    • Colin

      DJ – I am copying this one for my database of ammunition against the Christian superst.itions. Thanks for taking the time to put it together.

      October 5, 2011 at 6:30 pm |
    • Richard S Kaiser

      @ David Johnson,,, your researched word is commendable DJ. I will not dispute the fact that "No One" except the Father GOD which is in Heaven, (The Cosmos) knows of HIS Sons returning time or second coming. His not HIS return is as the poor man begging for alms. His not HIS return is in the mother needing food for her children. His not HIS returning is in everyones' stained steps that they strive to take distance from their unrepentent minds. GOD will not send HIS Son and HIS Son's armies just because we want him to. Oh no. GOD will not send HIS Son until we as a world are made ripe and laid up with many unrepentent people who will once again scorn and persecute the followers of Christ Jesus. Until then all will be as waiting for the bride and the bridegroom to be wed. "Pun intended"

      October 5, 2011 at 6:45 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @martinipaul
      You said: 'you certainly don't make good use of the short time left to you. Expending all that time on something that doesn't exist when you could be -"

      Dude! I'm doing it out of love! I devote my time to deluded believers, as Mother Teresa did to the poor. I am humble, handsome and well endowed. Truly natural selection has been good to me. My ancestor's staff ate the other staffs. And it was good!

      Religion is an addiction. Just like alcohol or heroin. Would you not try to help me with my drug addiction? Would you not pull the needle from my arm? Slap the bottle from my hand? Would that be a waste of you time? Shame on you!

      I am doing the wants of the demigod:
      Did not Jesus implore us to feed His sheep? But remember! If you feed a sheep for a day, it will hunger again tomorrow. But, if you teach a sheep / believer to think... You set him free from the silly for a lifetime! Amen!

      I am telling the deluded the truth! I am the voice yodeling in the wilderness! I shout to the Christian crowd: "Look, the demigod has no loincloth."

      If I can prevent even one fence sitter from drinking the Kool Aid, verily I have my reward.

      The Christian god is very unlikely to exist.

      Cheers!

      October 5, 2011 at 6:50 pm |
    • fred

      David Johnson
      The Bible clearly paints those who mocked, spit and nailed Jesus to the cross against the perfect representation of God we know to date “Father forgive them for they know not what they do”.
      Can you point to a single thing Jesus said that does not result in a better way of life?

      October 5, 2011 at 7:06 pm |
    • uhhhh

      "the perfect representation of God we know to date"

      Yeah right....

      1. Jesus taught to that getting angry is considered a sin and even
      punishable by hell {Matthew 5:21-22}.

      yet there are many times in the Bible where Jesus vividly and loudly
      displayed anger.

      [Mark 3:5, Matthew 21:12-15; Mark 11:15-19; Luke 19:45-47; John 2:13-17,
      Matthew 21:19; Mark 11:12-14, Matthew 12:22-31; Mark 3:20-30, Matthew
      11:22-24; Luke 10:13-15.]

      2. The Gospel teaches to be honest [Matthew 15:19; Mark 7:22, John 8:44],
      not to give false statements

      Then we see Jesus doing just that, when Jesus was asked to go to Jerusalem,
      Jesus told them that he would not be going, but then he later went secretly
      to Jerusalem by himself ( John 7:2-10 ). (Note: the words "not yet"
      which appear in some versions at John 7:8 are an editorial "emendation"
      to the original text in an apparent effort to rectify the false
      statement by Jesus.

      During his hearing before the high priest, Jesus said: "I have spoken openly
      to the world; I have -always- taught in the synagogues and in the temple,
      where all Jews come together; I -never- spoke secretly" (John 18:20) This is in
      direct conflict, to what we find elsewhere.

      He taught on the "mount" (5:1-7:28), by the sea (Matthew 13:1), on the plain
      (Luke 6:17-49), and in other places. To his disciples he said: "To you
      has been given the -secret- of the kingdom of God, but for those outside
      everything is in parables; so that they may indeed see but not

      perceive, and indeed hear but not understand; lest they should turn
      about and be forgiven" (Mark 4:11-12).

      3. John's Baptism was for the "Forgiveness of Sins"

      Jesus was Baptized {Mark 1:4}

      4. Suicide is a sin (1Corinthians 3:17) and (Exodus 20:13).

      according to Paul, Jesus ALLOWED himself to die. (John 19:30)

      Furthermore, Jesus even claims to be a sinner according to the Bible;

      "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good-except God alone."
      {Mark 10:18}

      Jesus stated that anyone ((without sin)) to condemn a woman who had sinned,
      than he himself declined;

      Joh 8:11 "...And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin
      no more."

      October 5, 2011 at 7:17 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @red

      You asked: "Can you point to a single thing Jesus said that does not result in a better way of life?"

      Matthew 6:34

      King James Version (KJV)
      34Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

      Only a fool would follow this advice. We save, budget, plan, and shape our tomorrows. I have health insurance, Car insurance, home insurance, a degree, a 401k, a pension. All of these, concern taking thought of the future.

      Not taking thought for the morrow, results in you residing in a cardboard box, on a public sidewalk.

      Today, I want a new car. I shouldn't take thought of tomorrow, as to being able to pay for it?

      My kid is going to college. I shouldn't plan for this? I should just wait 'till she is packed, ready to go...and then what?

      I can't tell you how stupid this verse attributed to Jesus is.

      Cheers!

      October 5, 2011 at 7:36 pm |
    • fred

      Uhhhh
      You point to contradictions that are clearly not contradictions when taken in proper perspective. Yet, you still managed to support my position. 1) Jesus said sinful anger or anger that is based on sin is wrong. How much better life would be if we followed this. 2) Jesus stressed being honest and fair in our relationships. Again, how much better life would be if we followed this. 3) Baptism is a commitment to Christ , forgiveness of sin resulting in a new life lead by the Holy Spirit. 4) We are no position to judge or condemn others. Would life not be much better if were an encouraging people rather than pointing fingers all day?
      Thanks uhhh !

      October 5, 2011 at 7:42 pm |
    • fred

      David Johnson
      Jesus never says not to make provisions and there are many verses that tell us the importance of planning and providing for our loved ones. Jesus is saying in this verse worry and anxiety over things you have no control is not good. We are to trust Jesus and pray for these things not worry and stress out.
      I am glad you have provided for your family !

      October 5, 2011 at 7:52 pm |
    • Richard S Kaiser

      Mat 6:33 "But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you."

      In searching have you found yet, “The Kingdom of God or even where such is located?”

      Jhn 18:36 Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence."

      The Lord Christ Jesus has stated himself that this world is NOT of His Kingdom and perhaps never will be,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

      1Cr 3:9 “For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, [ye are] God's building.”

      Being God’s husbandry, we are all labor together with God and are given the chance to procreate and thru procreation God places His Hopes that one day soon someone will have an eye to see and in seeing know without a doubt that we are outrightly but Buildings of the Gods’ grand design!

      1Cr 3:16 "Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?"

      Some of Gods’ buildings are as Temples and in these Temples of Godliness, does reside the spirit of all Gods’ wealthiness. A piano player, a drummer, a guitarist a singer are all of the Gods’ Temples. I though am but a building for I did spend most of my days, not doing the things that the Gods have set upon me to do in my youth. I nowadays write what the Holy Spirit inside me dictates to me to write.

      Luk 17:21 "Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is inside/within you."

      Alas, The Kingdom of God is truly inside us! Thank you Lord Christ Jesus for saying it in your Word! Science is so staunch with laborious trials and errors to bring together Fractal and Celestial and Cellular Cosmologies intertwining culpabilities. Time though is on the side of the knowing of Truth.

      1Cr 4:5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.

      By adding light and high magnification can the “hidden things of darkness” upon Inner Space be revealed. Even microscopic magnification as yet today, cannot truly see and/or peer into the atomic plains of magnified relativities.

      Only by capturing light by timed telescopic magnification can one see the far away “hidden things of darkness” in Outer Space. Still, one cannot see but a short distance toward the closer Outer Space phenomenon while much of Outer Spaces’ “hidden things of darkness” will never ever be seen by our prying eyes, much less traveled to.

      Both places of “hidden things” are of one accordance and revealing sameness, ergo which one is imitating the other? Or, are both things of hidden darkness being Celestial Objects and Sub-Microscopic Objects mimicking each other simultaneously?

      Just exactly how big is the Celestial Cosmos of Outward Space? Does it contain only one solitary universe as science unrelentingly still stands behind, or are there but a few or even perhaps innumerably immeasurable Universes of too many to count much less even see by our telescoping, prying eyes? Could GOD really be this perception we call the Celestial Cosmos and/or Outer Space? Could this GOD who is the Celestial Cosmos have a Holy Spirit which is this Oceanic Sea of Nothingness? Could likewise the Sons of GOD, be the Gods of the atomic plains wherein all things and oblects and Life is made from?

      October 5, 2011 at 7:53 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @uhhhh

      @any believer that cares to explain this

      You said: "Jesus taught to that getting angry is considered a sin and even
      punishable by hell {Matthew 5:21-22}."

      The Christian god is said to be perfect. A perfect being desires nothing. Complete. Excellent in all respects. Incapable of being injured ...

      Being perfect, raises a lot of questions and problems: Why did He create the universe? Why did / does He become angry?

      In spite of the Christian's claim that god is perfect - and with this the 3 'O' attributes (Omniscient, Omnipotent, Omnibenevolent) - The Christian god exhibits human emotions.

      Why?

      Cheers!

      October 5, 2011 at 8:06 pm |
    • herbert juarez

      Remember the keys to understanding a david johnson post
      1. start with a lie
      2.toss off a couple opinions or lies self declared as fact
      3. big drum roll conclusion that has nothing to do with what was presented
      4.kiss own butt and expect everyone else to do likewise

      October 5, 2011 at 8:31 pm |
    • Sid

      herbert juarez is a spineless coward.

      October 5, 2011 at 8:43 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @fred

      You said: "Jesus never says not to make provisions..."

      Jesus was just full of stupid advice. LOL

      Matthew 6:25
      "Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink, nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than rainment."

      Matthew 6:28-31 (NIV)
      "And why do you worry about clothes? See how the lilies of the field grow. They do not labor or spin. Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you, O you of little faith? So do not worry, saying, 'What shall we eat?' or 'What shall we drink?' or 'What shall we wear?'"

      Matthew 6:26,27 (NIV)
      "Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to his life?"

      If a person actually believed and followed these verses, that Jesus said, it would not result in a better way of life.

      Spin it how you like, but it is what it is. I gave you example(s) of what you asked.

      Cheers!

      and there are many verses that tell us the importance of planning and providing for our loved ones. Jesus is saying in this verse worry and anxiety over things you have no control is not good. We are to trust Jesus and pray for these things not worry and stress out.
      I am glad you have provided for your family !

      October 5, 2011 at 8:46 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @herbert juarez

      I'm done with you. All you ever do, is attack the person, making the claim.

      Cheers!

      October 5, 2011 at 8:54 pm |
    • fred

      David Johnson
      Mathew 5:21-22 relates to one who gets angry with hate in his heart / a vindictive anger that desires to harm another. It does not speak of a righteous just anger that does not hurt the innocent. It speaks to the condition of heart that could put ones soul in jeopardy.

      “The Christian god exhibits human emotions” – This is not true God only revealed his attributes in ways we could understand and relate to i.e. human emotions. We cannot look upon God or know the mind of God. As to Jesus it was purposeful that Jesus was human and God in one. This was so we could relate to the filling of the Holy Spirit. When a Christian believer is filled / indwelled with the gift of the Holy Spirit he or she begins a process of becoming Christ like in outward and inward thought and behavior.

      October 5, 2011 at 9:00 pm |
    • herbert juarez

      @david
      You have been done with truth for a long time too.People need to realize what a bold faced self promoting fraud you are.All your posts follow the same liars pattern,i simply point that out, and given opportunity will continue to do so as long as you use your ungodly pattern.God bless

      October 5, 2011 at 9:09 pm |
    • Richard S Kaiser

      David Johnson, Wrote on Wednesday, October 5, 2011 at 8:06 pm, @uhhhh @any believer that cares to explain this,,,,,,”You said: "Jesus taught to that getting angry is considered a sin and even punishable by hell {Matthew 5:21-22}."

      Mat 5:21, “Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:”

      Mat 5:22, “But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.”

      I Rick write, Anger without due cause may become a dangerous judgment while saying “Raca” or a senseless, empty headed man is in danger of being counciled while saying one to be a “Fool” is in danger of hell fire. Where’s the beef?

      The Christian god (I say GOD, not God nor even god) is said to be perfect. A perfect being desires nothing. Complete. Excellent in all respects. Incapable of being injured.

      I Rick write, GOD, who is the Grandness embodiment of the Cosmos is sheer perfection in HIS ways that we know not yet but in Time we will,,,,,,,,,,,

      Being perfect, raises a lot of questions and problems: Why did He create the universe?

      I Rick write, HE is the Cosmos, for HE holds each and every universe as being HIS body and His Body alone.

      Why did / does He become angry?

      It is not HE that becomes angry, but HIS Sons that are angered as Time progressively tunes them of natured divinities are ousted by up and coming better built Gods and Goddesses!

      In spite of the Christian's claim that god is perfect – and with this the 3 'O' attributes (Omniscient, Omnipotent, Omnibenevolent) – The Christian god exhibits human emotions. Why? Cheers!

      I don’t know much about the gods but GOD, the Cosmos of all universes and HIS Sons who are Gods in their habitats upon the plains of the atomic cosmos is my department. You forgot one great big “O”. All are of Omnivorous desires each and every God and Goddess and yes even GOD is omnivorous but HE devours galaxies and universes and in HIS devouring nature HE re-ignites the complexities of universe building to ever make them better than they were.

      October 5, 2011 at 9:15 pm |
    • fred

      David Johnson 27
      These verses all help you and result in a better way of life. Matthew 6:25-27 was written to the disciples for building their faith. You cannot trust God to provide for you and at the same time thrash about in life stressed out over basic needs and appearance. On a spiritual basis if you have faith and trust in God He will not let you down. The most important thing is to have this “life” (God in you). Note food is provided for the birds but it does not say the birds should lay around and wait for worms to fall in their beaks.

      October 5, 2011 at 9:29 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      So "Run & Hide Herbie"/Credenza/sidebar/Mary H slinks out of his/their cave to contribute absolutely nothing to the conversation.

      October 5, 2011 at 10:40 pm |
  20. Colin

    That poor little girl, in so much danger. Let's hope for her sake it is a gang symbol and not a religious symbol. You can fix bad behavior, but you can't fix stupid.

    October 5, 2011 at 5:14 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @Colin

      Damn, dude! That was funny.

      Cheers to you!

      October 5, 2011 at 5:41 pm |
    • Richard S Kaiser

      @ Colin,,, et al,,, "You can fix bad behavior, but you can't fix stupid."

      Funny thing though, I thought behaviorism was in one's DNA,,,,,, Ya' think? Then there's this "stupid" God Gene thingamabob,,,makes one wonder about genetic aroma therapies,,,,,,,,,,, 🙂

      October 5, 2011 at 6:23 pm |
    • Colin

      DJ – thnaks dude.

      Richerd – huh?

      October 5, 2011 at 6:28 pm |
    • *frank*

      Mescalin is a helluva drug

      October 5, 2011 at 6:32 pm |
    • Richard S Kaiser

      @ *frank* What memories your thought brings back!!! Oh to have it now,,,,, Such an off white and translucent compound of bittersweetness,,,,,,,,,, And orange barrels and orange double dome and purple microdot and window pane and I could go on,,,,,,,

      October 5, 2011 at 6:54 pm |
    • *frank*

      A-ha! Lol.

      October 5, 2011 at 7:00 pm |
    • John Richardson

      @Richard BEHAVIORISM is in one's dna????????

      October 5, 2011 at 10:38 pm |
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