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 Pastor Robert Jeffress told reporters he thinks Mormonism is a cult.
October 7th, 2011
06:46 PM ET
Pastor to GOP: Don't vote for Romney because he's MormonBy the CNN Political Unit (CNN) –- A pastor of a mega church in Dallas said Friday that Republicans shouldn't vote for White House hopeful Mitt Romney because he's a Mormon and described the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as a "cult." "I think Mitt Romney's a good, moral man, but those of us who are born again followers of Christ should prefer a competent Christian," said Robert Jeffress, pastor of the First Baptist Church of Dallas, which has a congregation of about 10,000. Jeffress, who's endorsed Texas Gov. Rick Perry and introduced him at the Values Voter Summit in Washington, told CNN Political Correspondent Jim Acosta that the Southern Baptist Convention "has officially labeled Mormonism as a cult" "That's why I'm enthusiastic about Perry," Jeffress said, later adding: "I again believe that as Christian, we have the duty to select Christians as our leaders…Between a Rick Perry and a Mitt Romney, I believe evangelicals need to go with Rick Perry." This isn't the first time the Dallas pastor has hit Romney over his religion. During the 2008 campaign, he made similar comments. Read the full story from CNN's Political Ticker
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So, you're a CHRISTIAN Pastor who supports RICK PERRY who clearly rejects current higher government and enjoys killing people (234 and counting executions in Texas); and DISRESPECTS The Commander In Chief of the USA? Hmmmmmm – so if Perry gets in – you really expect AMERICA to respect HIM? – I don't think so - you reap what you sow Perry ... and you will also Pastor....
Dear Rev. Jeffries,
Saving Christians like yourself from the Infamous Resurrection/Easter Con/Disease:
From that famous passage: In 1 Corinthians 15 St. Paul reasoned, "If Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith."
Even now Catholic/Christian professors of theology are questioning the bodily resurrection of the simple, preacher man aka Jesus.
To wit;
From a major Catholic university's theology professor’s grad school white-board notes:
"Heaven is a Spirit state or spiritual reality of union with God in love, without earthly – earth bound distractions.
Jesus and Mary's bodies are therefore not in Heaven.
Most believe that it to mean that the personal spiritual self that survives death is in continuity with the self we were while living on earth as an embodied person.
Again, the physical Resurrection (meaning a resuscitated corpse returning to life), Ascension (of Jesus' crucified corpse), and Assumption (Mary's corpse) into heaven did not take place.
The Ascension symbolizes the end of Jesus' earthly ministry and the beginning of the Church.
Only Luke's Gospel records it. The Assumption ties Jesus' mission to Pentecost and missionary activity of Jesus' followers The Assumption has multiple layers of symbolism, some are related to Mary's special role as "Christ bearer" (theotokos). It does not seem fitting that Mary, the body of Jesus' Virgin-Mother (another biblically based symbol found in Luke 1) would be derived by worms upon her death. Mary's assumption also shows God's positive regard, not only for Christ's male body, but also for female bodies." "
"In three controversial Wednesday Audiences, Pope John Paul II pointed out that the essential characteristic of heaven, hell or purgatory is that they are states of being of a spirit (angel/demon) or human soul, rather than places, as commonly perceived and represented in human language. This language of place is, according to the Pope, inadequate to describe the realities involved, since it is tied to the temporal order in which this world and we exist. In this he is applying the philosophical categories used by the Church in her theology and saying what St. Thomas Aquinas said long before him."
http://eternal-word.com/library/PAPALDOC/JP2HEAVN.HTM
The Vatican quickly embellished this story with a lot CYAP.
Of course, we all know that angels are really mythical "pretty wingie talking thingies".
With respect to rising from the dead, we also have this account:
An added note: As per R.B. Stewart in his introduction to the recent book, The Resurrection of Jesus, Crossan and Wright in Dialogue,
p.4
"Reimarus (1774-1778) posits that Jesus became sidetracked by embracing a political position, sought to force God's hand and that he died alone deserted by his disciples. What began as a call for repentance ended up as a misguided attempt to usher in the earthly political kingdom of God. After Jesus' failure and death, his disciples stole his body and declared his resurrection in order to maintain their financial security and ensure themselves some standing."
p.168. by Ted Peters:
Even so, asking historical questions is our responsibility. Did Jesus really rise from the tomb? Is it necessary to have been raised from the tomb and to appear to his disciples in order to explain the rise of early church and the transcription of the bible? Crossan answers no, Wright answers, yes. "
So where are the bones"? As per Professor Crossan's analyses in his many books, the body of Jesus would have ended up in the mass graves of the crucified, eaten by wild dogs, covered with lime in a shallow grave, or under a pile of stones.
Any pastor that endorses Perry has to be questioned himself. What's hiding in pastor Robert Jeffress' closet?
an interesting tidbit
the whole part about adding or removing from the book written in revelation
only applies to that book
it doesnt apply to the entire bible
this is why the mormons think theyre right and going to heaven
but little do they know that their religion since it is bible based
is in turn based on greek mythology
I've known many Mormons. I've looked all over their legitimate official websites. How anyone can come to the conclusion that these people and their faith are not Christian is absurd. From my years of relationships and study, they're the most Christian I've ever come acrossed. The Mormons I've met are charitable, hard-working, fun people. I've never met one with horns, a harem of wives, or a to-be-god complex. These false labels are a load.
Robert Jeffress, I don't believe a man in your position, and with your lack of Bible-practicng behavior, should make these uneducated claims. Live a Christ-centered life and offer some loving respectable contibutions to the human race, and I'll buy your book and give you some further study. Until then don't expect me to trust your recommendation for a presidential candidate.
you said their fun
ever been to utah
you would not believe how trashy the mormon girls are
It's "come across". there is no word "acrossed". "their fun" Hahahahaha. Such educated idiots we have here.
sadly i am probably more educated than you are
: )
I was wondering how long it was going to take for somebody to figure out Mitt is Mormon. ...And it's comforting to know that if it came down to Romney vs Obama, the good Pastor would vote for Romney. So Pastor Jeffress would rather have a non-christian cult member as President than a christian Black Man in the White House. Can I get an A m.... W...T F.
@ John ...
So a fellow named Joseph Smith started the Church of Christ around 1830. About 10 years earlier Joe went to pray and claims the Lord appeared to him in a "pillar of light" and told him not to join any existing churches. A couple of years later an "Angel" appeared to him and sent him to the hills where he found a book written on "golden plates". He claims to have translated it into the "Book of Mormon". Mormons believe they are Christians. They believe in the Bible, Book of Mormon and anything spoken or written by a Prophet, while under "inspiration" to be scripture. Including Joseph Smith and his successors. They also believe in a pre-mortal existence, that we are literally the spirit children of God and Jesus is the oldest sibling.
So, the Older Christian groups simply don't believe that the Lord appeared in a pillar of light to Joseph Smith (190 or so years ago). Therefore, the Mormons are a non-christian cult to them. All because they don't believe ..... hmmmmmm.
This is the same type of problem the Ahmadiyya Muslims have, they started around 1889 by their Prophet Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. ...And that's the problem, Muhammad said he was the Last Prophet. So the Ahmadiyya's are not considered Muslim's by the Older Muslim groups. They are apostate and, of course, must die. By the way, the Ahmadiyya's motto is "Love for all, Hatred for none"
This is why there must be a separation of Church and State. If the Majority Religious Group is in charge of government, what happens to the minority groups? Keep in mind that each Religious Group thinks their way is the only way. Do you think the Majority Religious Group would start passing laws that conform to their beliefs, without regard for any other Group's beliefs ... Nah ... that can't happen ... right?
Too bad you never took English.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is a "cult."
Why is it a cult? Because they have fewer followers than Christianity? It's a spin-off of Christianity. Christianity was a spin-off of Judaism. Christianity started as a cult. The fact that Christianity has a lot of followers doesn't mean it's any less kooky than it was the day it was created.
There is no such thing as "Christianity", (singular). It is made up of at least 3,000 different cults, each of which claims it has the 'real" truth. Hehe.
Poo=Sue
True
hey poo
just so youre more aware and dont make yourself look stupid next time
a comma does not get placed after a quotation mark
it is placed within
would you like to continue correcting peoples grammar
or do you still think youre the queen fairy prancer
You are totally incorrect. They are more Christian than most Christian churches. I have family that are Latter Day Saints and they are the most loving and kind people I've met. A hundred years ago they did take more than one wife. Today that is not their belief. As far as a cult, not at all. Maybe you should go to one of their services. You'll be pleasantly surprised. Don't worry, they won't turn you into a frog!
TL/ate carrots instead
Hey Pot have you met my black friend Kettle?
times of pot will get ya throo times if no kettle bettern kettle will get ya through times of no pot
put the bong away, herbie
Anderson Cooper just interviewed this pastor and in his mind any flavor of christianity that isn't his own is a cult or theologically corrupt. He said catholics are christian but mistaken when they say that good works counts toward redemption. In his mind only acceptance of Jesus alone is the true path....not works. What I find so messed up about all this is that when Xians are pressed about the ridiculousness of their faith in general they are quick to include all the various sects as their own to bolster the numbers....ie:"christians account for 85% of the population"....but back away into their own little special groups and point to these same different other groups as "not true christians" whenever it suits them. It seems the faithful are far more fragmented than they claim. Works for me...the more in-fighting amongst believers the better.
In-fighting is the best! I really enjoy watching them destroy each other. Sorry, I'm getting emotional here.
There are not enough real atheists around to field a baseball team.In order to achieve a percentage of world population the misguided atheist needs to bring in the agnostic,the indifferent and the unattached.The true atheist is a destructive, deceptive varmint that follows the pattern of the devil ,hoping to drag down as many people as possible with themselves .You can see the vulgarity in their posts and sense their glee as they kiss each others butts over the most stupid drivel that was ever typed.Unless these would be atheists repent and turn to God the deception and destruction will be their own.God bless
You should just put a big Fuck you at the end of your posts instead of the 'God bless' to avoid any confusion.
herbert juarez is a spineless coward.
Lol....good one Awkward.
Herbert wouldn't recognize a real atheist even if one had his foot buried up his righteous butt.
@awkward sit :What you do to yourself is your own responsibility ,don't blame others .God bless
what herb is saying
is that there are only a small amount of us on the planet
that arent sheep
and dont feel the need to be controlled
and live happily outside of the shadow of fear
because we are the lucky few that dont get threatened with hell
by this loving god
and for this
he is terribly jealous
Good point Steve. God less.
Herbie is the best example of why religion should be avoided.
@ Herbert Juarez
You are like one of the 6 blind men trying to describe an elephant. If you truly follow a loving forgiving God ... why are you so angry? Your post is so full of hate and a threat ... if you don't believe as I do ... Hellfire for you.
Your Post is exactly the type of post you accuse Atheist of writing. Hmmmmmmm, maybe you should change religions till you find one that makes you happy.
Ah Herbie-The Hate Bug; when are you going to clue in? We can't go to hell...there is no such thing.
May the loving Flying Spaghetti Monster embrace you in its noodly appendage and show you the love of the real world...peace 🙂
I'm voting for Romney just in spite of this Jefferies fellow.
Did you mean "to spite" ? I think CNN needs to start a new English for Bloggers" course, ASAP.
you could benefit
a question mark does not get placed outside of a quote
good going grammar genius
Brown is right. Punctuation within a quote belongs inside all quotation marks. Then again, I notice that Brown isn't overly fond of using said punctuation with his contractions... *sigh* Grammar/punctuation wars – gotta love 'em (at least more than the wars currently ongoing between different sects regarding who their invisible friend loves best).
Don't vote for Romney because he's Mormon? Doesn't matter what flavor xian he is, don't vote for him because he believes his underpants are magical. No, I mean he really, truly does. This is true of all religious people, they ALL believe something just as silly as this. We need to bring back the proud agnostics like our founding fathers, or at least the deists. This is getting ridiculous...
Sadly running for president as an atheist or non-christian is political suicide.
Why is it that a country based on freedom of religion, brings religion into politics at every step. This pastor who claims to follow Christ should stop speaking evil of others, stop self promoting his book he just wrote while he has a few minutes of fame on CNN, and truly follow the Savior like he preaches. Religion should be a non-issue in politics.
In the same amendment that gives people freedom of religion, there's one that gives people freedom of speech.
If Jesus is the "savior", how come he never claimed to be so, and how come the apostles never said he "saved" them from anything. Paul made it all up.
jesus was made up
but im sure if he existed he never would have placed a comma outside of the quotation marks
im just saying
since youre picking apart everyones grammar
dont be a hypocrite
bn,
The comma BELONGS outside the quotation mark, AND Jesus was illiterate, so just like you, he wouldn't have known either.
So please tell me why these pastors can engage in political campaigns while still retaining tax exempt status? It's funny. Christianity is a cult, too. It's just older and bigger.
This pastor(small p intended) from Texas is such a goof. This country is built on religious freedom and the ability to think for ones self. Shame on him for promoting a bigoted un-american brand of intolerant religious politics.
If Christians are not talking about Jews or dropping bombs on innocent Muslims with lies of WMD, then they are attacking one another. No wonder in this Christian country there are so many Atheist. The Evangelist need to be reminded that Jesus was a Jew (who they claim to follow,huh). I guess they wouldn't vote for Jesus either. Now we know why Jesus warned,
"There shall be many who shall come in my name and shall deceive you". To the Evangelist, I say Pick up the Serpent and Drink all Deadly Things...AMEN
Jesus is a myth AKA an ancient telephone game gone way out of control.
I dont plan on voting for either Perry or Romney, but I dont like picking on someone because of their religion, skin color, gender. Low Blow Pastor
He's no different than Obama. Sings one song and does the other thing. Plays both sides against each other while speaking pleasantries to both sides.
If Perry or Bachmann wins, America will turn into Jesusland.
Or even worse. Perry as president and Bachmann as vice-president.
i could not imagine copulating with that woman
No it won't. Maybe they need a good dose of life under President Bachmann, and cure them of this crap.
Somehow I think he is going to change his tune after the primary.
He'll think of some excuse, just wait and see.
*rolls eyes*