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October 12th, 2011
11:57 AM ET

Bachmann implies Cain plan could be devil's work

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

(CNN) - A handful of Republican candidates took aim at Herman Cain’s 9-9-9 tax plan at Tuesday night’s presidential debate, but only one went so far as to imply it could be the devil's work.

“When you take the 9-9-9 plan and you turn it upside won, the devil is in the details," Rep. Michele Bachmann of Minnesota said during the New Hampshire debate, alluding to the number 666, which is commonly connected to Satan.

The New Testament’s Book of Revelation identifies 666 with the mark of the beast, sometimes referred to as the antichrist or the devil.

According to the popular biblical study site biblestudytools.com, the Book of Revelation refers to two beasts, one of which “forces the worship of the antichrist and brands those who do so with the mark” of 666.

Cain, a former Godfather's Pizza executive who has recently surged in national polls, has proposed a plan to eliminate almost all national taxes and set corporate, sales and income taxes at a flat 9%.

Bachmann, a longtime evangelical Lutheran who recently left her church, is well-known for her professed deep religious convictions.

In an earlier presidential debate, Bachmann was asked about the biblical mandate that wives should submit to their husbands in an exchange that many Republicans called unfair.

"Marcus and I will be married for 33 years this September 10,” she replied. “I'm in love with him. I'm so proud of him. What submission means to us, it means respect. I respect my husband. He's a wonderful godly man and great father."

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Bible • Christianity • Herman Cain • Michele Bachmann • Politics

soundoff (226 Responses)
  1. Rev. T. J.

    Tasteless, evangelical wink-and-nod joke used in a secular setting. She's an insult to the Republican Party and Christianity.

    October 12, 2011 at 3:29 pm |
  2. Tak

    I get why Romney and Huntsman didn't notice this, but what about the other GOP-Tea Party candidates? Surely if they are the evangelical Christians the pretend to be, they should have spoken up.

    October 12, 2011 at 3:27 pm |
    • Nonimus

      I'm guessing the phrase "giving her enough rope..." came to mind, but who knows.

      October 12, 2011 at 3:30 pm |
  3. NATHAN WIMBERLY

    The Apolstolic Federation own these wingnuts. Google the Rick Bush prayer meeting and listen to them.

    October 12, 2011 at 3:26 pm |
  4. mike

    i have never in my life seen such an absolute bunch of loonies running for the highest job in the world what the hell has happened to our politics have we gone crazy the world must be laughing out loud at us right now how pathetic!!!!

    October 12, 2011 at 3:14 pm |
    • RedMan

      Well yeah, we are laughing...very nervously. Kind of like before 2004 elections where the world held its collective breath while the USA re-elected GWB. We knew then that the USA we called friend had morphed into the Grade 1 bully!
      2008, gave the WORLD hope again. But it didn't take long for some to begin tearing down that hope and replacing it with constant fear-mongering and underlying racism.
      We are your best friend, biggest trading partner and Northern neighbor. Please use this election to show the inmates are NOT running the asylum.

      "Refudiate" these wingnuts...PLEASE.

      October 12, 2011 at 3:41 pm |
    • Jack_of_Arts

      @mike If you forget-2012 is suppose to be the Aztec interpretation of the Apocalypse. Maybe having a Republican theocrat in the White House is what they had foreseen, followed by the end of the world as we know it. And to clarify-I'm being SARCASTIC here people.

      October 12, 2011 at 4:00 pm |
  5. Nonimus

    Seems to me like just a bad joke by someone who assumes that everyone else has religion on the brain as much as she does.

    Simple FAIL, is all.

    October 12, 2011 at 3:10 pm |
  6. Logic

    That is about at profound as saying take 999 and subtract 88 and you get 911. That plan has terror in it!

    October 12, 2011 at 3:09 pm |
  7. David Johnson

    Better be careful with these religious nuts. They are fun to poke fun at, for sure. But they have a terrifying "wishlist".

    Christian Right Agenda = Christian Theocracy

    Theocracy = A government ruled by or subject to religious authority.

    Christian Right = Predominately Evangelicals

    Tea Party = Christian Right

    The Texas history books are rewriting history to give the conservative slant. The objective of this effort, is to create a Christian Nation, a theocracy with Jesus as Head of State.
    The recent article about the letter to the Jews, from George Washington, must sting like a son-of-a-gun. We are a secular nation. Thank god!

    A huge campaign is underway, to convince the American people, the founding fathers never intended a separation of church and state. Thomas Jefferson's role as a founding father is played down. In some cases Jefferson is smudged.

    Expect an attack on the 1st and 14th Amendments. The founding fathers will weep.
    Most of the Tea Party are for a Christian Theocracy. The Tea Party IS the Christian Right. A vote for any Tea Party candidate, is a vote for Christian Right domination.

    The Republicans are the puppets of the Christian Right and Rich White Men. If you aren't rich or if you aren't white, then this is not your party. Remember Rand Paul's wish to have limited government that should not force private businesses to abide by civil rights law? Isn't that a tad racist or is it just me? Can you say: "You want me to sit where on the bus?"

    You will see an amendment defining marriage as between a man and woman. Gay rights will dwindle and die.

    Roe Vs. Wade will be reversed. Women will once again be forced to seek back alley remedies. Men may be forced to buy condoms on the black market. You will procreate! Or you will be abstinent! It is not up to you! God is watching your penis!

    Stem cell research will stagnate. The hopes of damaged and sick people will be dashed. Little Billy better get used to that wheelchair.

    All scientific research will be scrutinized by the Christian Right. "Whether or not a theory is in agreement with the Evangelical's interpretation of god's will", will be the new metric. Get use to hearing "God Did It". No one will dare question otherwise.
    Science classes will be much easier. Much less to remember or think about. 90% of the answers will be "D" – God did it. 30% correct will be passing. 50% will be Valedictorian.
    Makes it pretty easy to get their "sheep skin". Baaaaa!

    Education doesn't matter! Jesus is coming soon. When Perry told of his poor academic performance, The Republicans (Tea Party?) applauded.

    Let's glorify ignorance and stupidity! No group could do it better!

    You say you've developed a vaccine that will prevent women from getting cervical cancer? No, Mr. Scientist. You will pour it down the drain! And you will make drugs that prevent STDs no more! So sayeth the Lord...According to the Religious Nuts.

    "Giving the HPV vaccine to young women could be potentially harmful, because they may see it as a license to engage in premarital $ex. Abstinence is the best way to prevent HPV" – Bridget Maher of the Family Research Council

    I would much rather my daughter was lying there dying of cancer, rather than having taken a shot that might have given her out of control urges. Oh lordy, Margaret! Now she is attacking the mail man!

    There was a recent article on the Religious blog about how Evangelical young'uns are not waiting.

    Little Betty is not praying so often, because she is so devout. She is praying for her Aunt Flow. Amen!

    P_ornography will be illegal. The Religious Right will decide what is p_ornographic , as well as what is art. You will watch television programs approved by the Evangelicals. Lots of reruns of "Growing Pains", starring that Evangelical darling Kirk Cameron. Thank you Jesus!

    Will museums exhibiting transitional fossils and other evidence of evolution, be deemed po_rnographic and closed? Their exhibits burned?
    Creationism will be taught in public school, most likely alongside evolution rather than instead of, but no guarantees. Creationism/ Intelligent Design will consist of 10 chapters. Evolution will be mentioned on the book jacket cover.

    Vouchers will enable parents to send their child to religious schools. Funds to public schools will dwindle. Quality education will be out of reach for the masses. The finite amount of money, will be spread too thin. Destroying the public school system is the purpose of the voucher system.

    If each faith attends their own school, interacts only with children who believe as they do, Might this not interfere with the melting pot, we often brag about? Won't this increase prejudices? The Catholics once told their children that Jews have horns. *sigh*
    Segregation, is not beneficial. We need to learn to get along, and work together. Toddlers are really good at playing well with others.

    Little Johnny will believe in talking snakes and Zombie Messiahs. He will spend his free time watching the heavens, waiting for Jesus to return. The rest of the world is spending their time learning real science and math. Good luck Johnny. Can you say: "Would you like fries with that?" And you Betty! Lots of jobs overseas. With your qualifications, there is a pole with your name on it, waiting for you.

    State-sanctioned Prayer will be in our schools. The Christian Right think they know better than the Founding Fathers and want to tamper with the Bill of Rights. They want to amend the U.S. Const_itution, so that the Government would legally sponsor and take over the activity of prayer. Only the one true god, the Christian god, will be given homage. The god(s), of all other faiths, will be subservient to the Christian god. Muslim parents will need to make this clear to their children. Will the Catholics and the Mormons be Christian enough? What about the Jehovah Witnesses? The Evangelicals / Jesus will determine this.
    The non-Christians will be allowed to put their heads down on their desks, during the morning worship. They can contemplate their damnation, for not accepting Jesus.

    $ex education will consist of abstinence only. Studies have shown it is a worthless concept. But, it will please the religious fanatics. Why did little Betty have her purity ring reshaped into a tongue stud?

    The war against unions, commenced during the Reagan administration, will continue. Labor will be humbled. They will accept the wages they are offered and should be grateful to get it. The Mexicans won't come here for jobs, anymore. The rate of pay won't justify the effort.

    Say goodbye to enti_tlements. Medicare will be changed to a voucher system. When Grandma is out of vouchers, she is out of luck. Social Security is a Ponzi Scheme! We will reduce Grandmas' pension a % for each, predetermined, increment of life.

    Our elderly will die earlier than they would like. But, they have the promise of an afterlife to comfort them. Unless of course, they haven't accepted Jesus. Then, they will burn in a place created by an all loving and all just god, for all eternity.
    Best for them to concentrate on the pie in the sky. Works better than opium for a lot of people.

    Go toward the light, Grandma... Grandpa is waiting for you.
    We love you Grandma. But, the Republicans have taken away Medicare and cut your Social Security. Go to sleep, now.

    The government will turn over Medicade and the rest of the programs for the p_oor, to the Christian Right. They will decide who will receive help and who will not. No longer will the criteria for receiving help, simply be income. Every dime given, will have "strings". The poor will be beholden to the Evangelicals.

    The Christian Right has embraced Paul as the moral lawgiver. Paul's First Ep_istle of Paul to the Thessalonians, is often quoted by the Republicans. You never hear them quote Jesus' advice to the rich. You don't bite the hand that feeds you. Jesus will understand.

    The Republicans applaud the executions, of human beings. The more the merrier. They will be a burden to the state, no more! If it turns out some were actually innocent, god will set it right... Providing they have accepted Christ.

    Perhaps trials aren't necessary. Send the accused directly to god's justice! We are a Christian nation!! Are we not the hand of god?
    The accused are of another faith, you say? Give them a chance to pray the Sinners Prayer, and send them to judgment.

    The Republicans screamed, "YES", when asked if an uninsured man should be allowed to die.
    If you read the Good Samaritan parable told by Jesus, you might come away with the idea that Jesus wouldn't agree.
    But, I bet Jesus will change His mind once the Evangelicals rule in His name.

    Could be, Jesus will feel compelled to rewrite the entire bible, leaving out those obviously unclear parts. The Evangelicals will help Jesus clear them up. Guaranteed!

    Jesus will be the Head of State! He will be represented by an empty chair at the head of the leadership table. Only the Evangelicals will be able to hear His voice. They will tell the rest of us His will.

    Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!

    The Evangelicals will rule in the name of a non-existent demigod.

    "Theocracies generally do not tolerate freedom of expression. They believe their dogma is divine; that it comes from divine revelation (directly from God as in Moses on Mount Sinai) and therefore, no dissenting opinion can be accurate or helpful. This often leads to widespread abuse of basic human rights."
    http://www.duhaime.org/LegalDictionary/T/Theocracy.aspx

    WoW! If the above quote doesn't make you wanna puke...

    The Evangelicals are not content to run their own lives. They want to get, by political means, what Jesus never has and never will give them, by returning.

    Vote for the Dems in 2012. There are a lot of things I would like to see changed in the Democratic Party, but at least they are not insane.

    Thank God, this country is a secular nation.

    Remember, Jesus won't really be in charge. It will be an Evangelical idiot.

    Cheers!

    October 12, 2011 at 3:07 pm |
    • Colin

      I love this post, DJ

      October 12, 2011 at 3:11 pm |
    • Nancy

      Dude, you are SOOOO right. And it scares the heck out of me every time I think about it. If I prayed (which, as a lapsed & fallen away ex-Catholic, I don't tend to), I would be praying my fool head off that those people are NEVER in a position of such power. Given the seeming gap between the educated and the uninformed on some of these articles, though, hope is fading fast.

      October 12, 2011 at 11:00 pm |
  8. Reasonably

    You can't make this stuff up...classic! Too bad Palin didn't run...we could have a dream ticket of Palin/Bachmann! Tweedle dumb and Tweedle Stupid. But Palin chose money, while Bachmann chooses to show off her math skills.

    October 12, 2011 at 3:06 pm |
  9. justaman

    Oh, yea; we need her in the office of the President of the United States! What an intelligent thinker she is! Incredible!! Her lack of intelligence, Perry's lack, period, Cain, whose ideas are just a little bit out there. Lord have mercy!!
    "999" upside down is "666". When I was 5 & 6 years old, I'd watch a show called Romper Room....she sounds like that where she belongs. BUT, that would be doing a great disservice to the kids, wouldn't it?

    October 12, 2011 at 3:00 pm |
  10. REG in AZ

    It is a real shame but also obvious that these people will say anything to try to sway people's emotions and to get their support; they simply have no conscience or interest in other than their political ambitions. It doesn't matter whether they are stating positions or attacking positions, they literally have no reservation or guilt, no honesty or sincere responsibility, only self-interests and they just take people for granted in assuming that they are completely gullible and naive.

    October 12, 2011 at 2:52 pm |
  11. Papabearvvv

    Cain has clearly stated " I am not a Warlock " but know that Bachmann is a real Witch!. Where do they find these people? How do they get elected?

    October 12, 2011 at 2:51 pm |
  12. littleJ

    Will Businessman Herman Cain's 9/9/9 tax plan work? Vote or see What's on people's mind
    http://octorama.com/desktop/display-1675

    October 12, 2011 at 2:51 pm |
  13. dreucalypt

    Probably she was just making a witticism. A silly one, but just a witticism.

    October 12, 2011 at 2:50 pm |
    • Mikey

      The problem is that given her past statements, even if it was a joke people are liable to take it seriously. Given the fact that she brings religion into almost every policy idea she espouses, one would assume she might have meant this.

      October 12, 2011 at 3:37 pm |
  14. David Johnson

    Yep! I want these loons to be in charge! LOL

    Perry and Bachmann should speak in tongues and handle snakes for the media!

    Oh yeah, Jesus is real. It isn't just all in their heads...

    Cheers!

    October 12, 2011 at 2:50 pm |
  15. David Johnson

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=-t4rYy8766k

    October 12, 2011 at 2:47 pm |
  16. J.W

    Who on here plans to vote for Bachmann?

    October 12, 2011 at 2:46 pm |
  17. JayKay, Minneapolis

    This moron is the biggest embarrassment to ever hit national politics.

    October 12, 2011 at 2:44 pm |
  18. David Johnson

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=cQ4114XO-Xo

    October 12, 2011 at 2:44 pm |
  19. David Johnson

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=LACyLTsH4ac

    October 12, 2011 at 2:43 pm |
    • Notagain

      Truly terrifying. But wait – are these mormons? Because this looks like cult activity...

      October 12, 2011 at 2:51 pm |
  20. JameyCarothers

    Cain may be an idiot but Bachman makes him seem almost reasonable! That's how bad this field of candidates is!

    October 12, 2011 at 2:39 pm |
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