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October 12th, 2011
11:57 AM ET

Bachmann implies Cain plan could be devil's work

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

(CNN) - A handful of Republican candidates took aim at Herman Cain’s 9-9-9 tax plan at Tuesday night’s presidential debate, but only one went so far as to imply it could be the devil's work.

“When you take the 9-9-9 plan and you turn it upside won, the devil is in the details," Rep. Michele Bachmann of Minnesota said during the New Hampshire debate, alluding to the number 666, which is commonly connected to Satan.

The New Testament’s Book of Revelation identifies 666 with the mark of the beast, sometimes referred to as the antichrist or the devil.

According to the popular biblical study site biblestudytools.com, the Book of Revelation refers to two beasts, one of which “forces the worship of the antichrist and brands those who do so with the mark” of 666.

Cain, a former Godfather's Pizza executive who has recently surged in national polls, has proposed a plan to eliminate almost all national taxes and set corporate, sales and income taxes at a flat 9%.

Bachmann, a longtime evangelical Lutheran who recently left her church, is well-known for her professed deep religious convictions.

In an earlier presidential debate, Bachmann was asked about the biblical mandate that wives should submit to their husbands in an exchange that many Republicans called unfair.

"Marcus and I will be married for 33 years this September 10,” she replied. “I'm in love with him. I'm so proud of him. What submission means to us, it means respect. I respect my husband. He's a wonderful godly man and great father."

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Bible • Christianity • Herman Cain • Michele Bachmann • Politics

soundoff (226 Responses)
  1. Uhmm

    There is a special row in hell for "Christians" like Bachmann. Just saying.

    October 14, 2011 at 1:34 pm |
  2. myklds

    It's just a numbers there's nothing wrong with it.It only become demons number when you think it is.Watch out folks!Our mind is powerful enough to make things happen if you believe.

    October 14, 2011 at 10:58 am |
  3. hippypoet

    We believe in one God,
    the Father, the Almighty SUN,
    Creator of heaven and earth,
    of all that is, seen and unseen.
    God from God, Light from Light,
    true God from true God,
    Through him all things were made.
    For us and for our salvation
    he came down from heaven:
    by the power of the Holy LIGHT WAVES
    he became incarnate from the Merry people,
    there will be no judging the living and or the dead,
    and his kingdom will have no end.

    We believe in the LIGHT, the Lord, the giver of life,
    With the SUN he is worshiped and glorified.
    He has spoken through the Prophet Hippypoet.
    We believe in one holy SUN and Church of eternal LIGHT.
    We will look up towards the heavens,
    bathe in the LIGHT OF THE LORD, THE ALMIGHY SUN.
    AMEN.

    October 14, 2011 at 10:36 am |
  4. fernace

    When Cain revealed his 999 tax plan he did say, "& I dare you to turn it upsidedown!" Lol! Michele "dared," she went there! I can't recall having heard a Presidential candidate say:"It's the Devils work!" How can we take this seriously? How can we keep from laughing! Neither of these faaaar right "comedians" have a chance at becoming Potus & they shouldn't! They're behaving as though they're competing for Master Pastor of a SuperChurch, not Presidentof the USA! We're going through alot of upheaval, with the economy, unemployment, all the cuts of peoples salaries, closing of schools & our foreign situations! If 999 can fix all that, in Cains words & it's the work of dark powers, in Bachmanns, they truly need to join Sarah Palin & get their own Reality Shows!!

    October 14, 2011 at 6:31 am |
  5. bigwilliestyles

    The 'book' of revelation reads like it was written by a man chewing mushrooms while main lining lsd as he smoked crack.

    October 14, 2011 at 1:06 am |
  6. Nick

    I also find it interesting that she's proving her lack of religious knowledge in the same breath she's condemning the '9-9-9' plan, as the oldest surviving records of the Book of Revelations reveal the actual "number of the beast" to be 616. The 666 that has entered pop culture is the result of oft-repeated false translations. Just because it's what more people (including Rep. Bachmann) are familiar with doesn't make it any less false

    October 14, 2011 at 1:00 am |
  7. Thad

    Thomas jefferson the slave master I see why he didn't like revelation. He read it and knew he was going to hell.

    October 13, 2011 at 5:07 pm |
    • Al

      Martin Luthor didn't like it either. Lots of protestants in hell then.

      October 14, 2011 at 8:25 am |
  8. Bruce

    Why do people never understand that it is the wisdom of Solomon implied by the number 666? (1Kings10, 2Chron19)

    Even when you quote from Revelation, you should realize that the author of Revelation is pulling out this important symbolic number from the OT to make a point about the apostasy of Solomon and the nature of corruption.

    LOL Xtians often think that Solomon was a good, stand-up guy–someone to emulate. That's because they can't read.

    October 13, 2011 at 4:43 pm |
  9. 39air1

    I for one am glad Michelle keeps blurting such non sense out of her mouth.
    And Newt is a laughable addition to the field,
    Scary that Perry might still have a chance running after saying he would dismantle S.S.
    Cain says it your own fault if you lost your home then blames obama for things that happened when Bush was in office.
    Ron Paul stays consistence but GOP will never back him due to his honestly.
    Mitt seems to forget what he says from day to day. .flip/flop
    How is it possible to have such a ray of confusion from GOP field.

    October 13, 2011 at 4:07 pm |
  10. Portland tony

    Ah the devil is in the details (of the 9-9-9 Tax Plan.). Come on CNN...You guys are getting FOXy...She was only "trying" to interject some humor into the debate!

    October 13, 2011 at 4:04 pm |
    • Jake

      Yes, we're well acquainted with Mrs. Bachmann's humor. We still remember how she "joked" (or maybe it was just a "metaphor") that the potential pain and suffering that hurricane Irene would inflict on the eastern seaboard was a sign of God's displeasure with Washington.

      October 13, 2011 at 10:58 pm |
    • Fookin' Prawn

      The humor flopped. I'm beginning to wonder if she's a plant sent in to completely screw the GOP's chances of ever being elected to anything again. But, then I look at the other candidates and remember she's not alone in Crazyville.

      October 26, 2011 at 10:05 pm |
  11. Danny Leeson

    999 = 666,
    Cain & Able,
    Cain was the killer in the bible,
    Herman is a cryptogram for: Satan

    October 13, 2011 at 3:30 pm |
    • HellBent

      And Danny Leeson is an anagram for "Slay End None"

      October 13, 2011 at 3:33 pm |
    • 39air1

      999=666 yeah so what.big deal
      God spelled back ward is DOG.
      is that evil too.?

      October 13, 2011 at 4:13 pm |
  12. President C.

    Sha na na na na get... get a job

    October 13, 2011 at 1:47 pm |
  13. kimsland

    Devils work?
    These religious people are seriously idiots aren't they.
    Note. Alcohol, $ex, and loud music is also the so called devils work, so teenagers out there, time to leave this idiotic religious belief for good.
    I'll drink to that.

    October 13, 2011 at 11:43 am |
    • Al

      And Jesus drank wine, actual alcoholic wine. I wonder if modern day evangelicals would appreciate this miracle, or condemn him for being involved in it?

      October 14, 2011 at 3:24 pm |
  14. THE Central Scrutinzer

    Look at these choices for president folks:

    Michele Bachmann: (The 10 Craziest Michele Bachmann Quotes: http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/the-10-craziest-michele-bachmann-quotes) She is crazier the Palin and that is an impressive accomplishment! Christian Creep.

    Herman Cain: In October 2011, Herman Cain described the Occupy Wall Street movement as "un-American". He further stated, "I don’t have facts to back this up, but I happen to believe that these demonstrations are planned and orchestrated to distract from the failed policies of the Obama administration. Yeah, why bother with facts.

    Newt Gingrich: His own party has turned him into a political outcast.

    Ron Paul: Ron Paul doesn’t know if he is Libertarian or a librarian, but at least he speaks his mind. Which is exactly why he is un-electable.

    Rick Perry: Regards evolution as a theory. I could go on but nuff said. Please oh please now more Dubya’s!!

    Mitt Romney: Cultist (they all are) but he lies about his faith. I once said, "Well, we’re going to have to hang the ‘Obama Misery Index’ around his neck." Nice.

    The others will withdraw so I won't bother with them. The biggest problem is, they ALL just come off STUPID (because they are).

    Sure Obama is learning on the job, but I believe he is the real deal If the republicans would stop blocking him at every turn and be part of the solution rather than the problem, This could be a very successful 2 term presidency. And he is presiding over one of the toughest eras in our country’s young history.

    Additionally, no matter what happens in the elections. Unless you are rich and/or willing to be on the take AND Christian or pretending to be, you can't get anywhere in Washington. That is bad because it omits the huge surplus of knowledgeable, intelligent and morally sound people we have in our great country from wanting to run for office. That is why we have that mess if idiots running for president!!!!

    October 13, 2011 at 1:40 am |
    • LUNA

      What an idol worshipper. You probably kiss His ass if you could too.

      October 13, 2011 at 12:04 pm |
    • Conservative, Not Wacko

      I just want my GOP back, now! Where are the Howard Baker's, the Gerald Ford's, the Henry Kissinger's, the Elder Bush? This was once a party of great people of immense stature. No we have claptrap.

      October 13, 2011 at 1:54 pm |
    • CGoodrich

      Politics is certainly an imperfect arena and all contestants are flawed in some way, and your gripes with the GOP candidates are nothing new. However, for comparison sake, take a look at the last Dem. candidate. He swept into office surrounded by people who idolize communists and *outwardly* advocate communist, hostile and un-American ideas (Anita Dunn, "Communications Director", aka propaganda queen who gushed over Mao's brilliance; Van Jones, unapologetically communist and advocating for the working class to rise up and tear down the "system"; Teamster boss James Hoffa with patently violent rhetoric while introducing Mr. Obama; and mentored in his political career by Bill Ayers who still thinks he didn't do enough to violently overthrow the US govt. in his acts of violence.
      You should pay more attention to the team the candidates build or ignore at your peril. Otherwise you get a demure Obama saying, "of course I'm not a socialist", while directing his administration to socialize banking, insurance, manufacturing, energy, education and health care. Watch what the team does, not just what the coach says.

      October 13, 2011 at 2:27 pm |
    • Leon

      Where have you been?? Ask any High School or College biology or zoology professor it is the theory of evolution. Didn't you go to High School or just not pay attention?

      October 13, 2011 at 4:57 pm |
  15. THE Central Scrutinzer

    The Central Scrutinizer’s Manifesto

    1. I enjoy blogging on the CNN Belief blog.

    2. However the last two evenings have been most unfortunate.

    3. For whatever reason and I have no idea why, someone or some people seem to think it is funny to imitate the frequent bloggers, i.e. steal their names and post as if they were them.

    4. Sadly, this defeats the whole point of an internet community.

    5. Additionally, those who are doing it are simply either unable to think for themselves, or are malicious. Perhaps young and stupid. None of these are healthy traits.

    6. My message to them. Maybe you are teenagers, I don’t know, but if you are not actually interested in politics or religion, why hang around with us? There are many forums for you. And I promise I won’t go to YOUR forums and fuk them up. Is that too much to ask? Seems fair.

    7. Finally, if we can agree to get along and not take the fun and pleasure away from those who benefit by it. Can we also agree to the following:

    a. When you come in, have a take, not just an insult. Don’t suck (borrowed from Jim Rome)
    b. Let’s talk. Let’s disagree. Let’s agree. Let’s be Americans. That is how we do.
    c. Don’t be a baby. Fight back! That is part of the fun and in the end, we learn something (if we want to).
    Sparring is a gas and you should not consider it an insult. Just fight back and prove your worth! (or get lost!)

    8. Finally, these blogs don’t have to be a fist fight, they can and should be fun and educational. If you are ignorant, I am going to tell you so (and so are others). If you are funny, great, if you are a genius, thank you Sensei.
    That is how I feel about it for what it is worth. I enjoy the blogs but the last two evenings have been silly and irritating so if that can change cool, otherwise I am out. That is my take for the evening.

    October 13, 2011 at 1:10 am |
    • THE Central Scrutinzer

      It is true. I do not have the ability to deal with the internet. I WILL insult you, but I cannot take what I dish in return. For I AM, coward.

      October 13, 2011 at 10:55 pm |
  16. Central Scrutinizer

    This is why I'm revoting for Barrack Obama, the best President we've ever had.

    October 13, 2011 at 12:50 am |
    • LUNA

      Like I said what you probably kiss his ass if you could. IDOL WORSHIPPER!!!

      October 13, 2011 at 12:09 pm |
    • Carmen

      Luna isn't there a dollar bill you should be praying to or something?

      October 13, 2011 at 12:54 pm |
    • Fookin' Prawn

      Luna, you forgot to add 'TIC' to the end of your name.

      October 26, 2011 at 10:07 pm |
  17. Central Scrutinizer

    Look at these choices for president folks:

    Michele Bachmann: (The 10 Craziest Michele Bachmann Quotes: http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/the-10-craziest-michele-bachmann-quotes) She is crazier the Palin and that is an impressive accomplishment! Christian Creep.

    Herman Cain: In October 2011, Herman Cain described the Occupy Wall Street movement as "un-American". He further stated, "I don’t have facts to back this up, but I happen to believe that these demonstrations are planned and orchestrated to distract from the failed policies of the Obama administration. Yeah, why bother with facts.

    Newt Gingrich: His own party has turned him into a political outcast.

    Ron Paul: Ron Paul doesn’t know if he is Libertarian or a librarian, but at least he speaks his mind. Which is exactly why he is un-electable.

    Rick Perry: Regards evolution as a theory. I could go on but nuff said. Please oh please now more Dubya’s!!

    Mitt Romney: Cultist (they all are) but he lies about his faith. I once said, "Well, we’re going to have to hang the ‘Obama Misery Index’ around his neck." Nice.

    The others will withdraw so I won't bother with them. The biggest problem is, they ALL just come off STUPID (because they are).

    Sure Obama is learning on the job, but I believe he is the real deal If the republicans would stop blocking him at every turn and be part of the solution rather than the problem, This could be a very successful 2 term presidency. And he is presiding over one of the toughest eras in our country’s young history.

    Additionally, no matter what happens in the elections. Unless you are rich and/or willing to be on the take AND Christian or pretending to be, you can't get anywhere in Washington. That is bad because it omits the huge surplus of knowledgeable, intelligent and morally sound people we have in our great country from wanting to run for office. That is why we have that mess if idiots running for president!!!!

    Again the five year olds have taken over. The only thing I wrote was the original post. Agree or Disagree, who cares. But it is such a shame that we can't have intelligent conversation and have no means for rounding up the toddlers and putting them to bed with their dirty diapers on. Good night.

    October 13, 2011 at 12:16 am |
    • Leon

      @ Central Scrutinizer my first post appeared in the wrong spot. Where have you been?? Ask any High School or College biology or zoology professor it is the theory of evolution. Didn't you go to High School or just not pay attention?

      October 13, 2011 at 5:06 pm |
    • THE Central Scrutinzer

      Where did you get your GED from LEON?

      October 13, 2011 at 10:56 pm |
    • Nick

      You're right, evolution is a theory. Let's look at some other theories:
      Gravity, the shape of the Earth, the distance between the Sun and the rest of the objects in our Solar System, the fact that the Earth revolves around the Sun and not vice-a-versa, the existence of dinosaurs, the existence of ANYTHING WE CANNOT PROVE TO EXIST AT THIS EXACT MOMENT.
      Oh wait, I'm wrong. Evolution isn't a theory, because we prove it happens all the time, with bacteria, viruses, insects, even animal breeding. HUMAN EVOLUTION is a theory, though.

      October 14, 2011 at 12:57 am |
    • Free

      Nick
      "HUMAN EVOLUTION is a theory, though."
      And, along the same lines, the Genesis account of God creating humans is a 'story', right? Evolution theory at least enjoys the benefit of accounting for the fossil and other evidence, which is why it remains the best scientific and rational explanation for human development. What does the Genesis account have to make it a more plausible creation story than any of the thousands of others we all generally label as just 'myth'?

      October 14, 2011 at 3:48 pm |
  18. Awkward Situations

    There are way more evil numbers to be worried about, an infinite amount.

    October 13, 2011 at 12:13 am |
  19. Dr.K.

    Though I think she was attempting a joke (at least with her fundamentalist peers), I think the fact that she has 666 on the brain says something very unfunny about the bizarre world of angels and demons that underlie her thoughts. More frightening is how that version of reality underlies the thoughts of so much of the religious right as they are entrusted with making rational decisions at the voting booth.

    October 12, 2011 at 11:35 pm |
  20. MikeH

    Perhaps the most disturbing thing about this is that these people are actuall being fielded as serious Republican Presidential candidates.

    20 years ago any one of them would have been laughed off the stage. Says less about them, and a whole lot more about the Republican party. Says alot about America too.

    October 12, 2011 at 10:27 pm |
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