My Take: Are evangelicals dangerous?
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October 15th, 2011
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My Take: Are evangelicals dangerous?

Editor's Note: R. Albert Mohler, Jr., is president of The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, the flagship school of the Southern Baptist Convention and one of the largest seminaries in the world.

By R. Albert Mohler, Jr., Special to CNN

Here we go again.

Every four years, with every new presidential election cycle, public voices sound the alarm that the evangelicals are back. What is so scary about America’s evangelical Christians?

Just a few years ago, author Kevin Phillips told intellectual elites to run for cover, claiming that well-organized evangelicals were attempting to turn America into a theocratic state. In “American Theocracy,” Phillips warned of the growing influence of Bible-believing, born-again, theologically conservative voters who were determined to create a theocracy.

Writer Michelle Goldberg, meanwhile, has warned of a new Christian nationalism, based in “dominion theology.” Chris Hedges topped that by calling conservative Christians “American fascists.”

And so-called New Atheists like Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris claim that conservative Christians are nothing less than a threat to democracy. They prescribe atheism and secularism as the antidotes.

This presidential cycle, the alarms have started earlier than usual. Ryan Lizza, profiling Rep. Michele Bachmann for The New Yorker, informed his readers that “Bachmann belongs to a generation of Christian conservatives whose views have been shaped by institutions, tracts, and leaders not commonly known to secular Americans, or even to most Christians.”

Change just a few strategic words and the same would be true of Barack Obama or any other presidential candidate. Every candidate is shaped by influences not known to all and by institutions that other Americans might find strange.

What stories like this really show is that the secular elites assume that their own institutions and leaders are normative.

The New Yorker accused Bachmann of being concerned with developing a Christian worldview, ignoring the fact that every thinking person operates out of some kind of worldview. The article treated statements about wifely submission to husbands and Christian influence in art as bizarre and bellicose.

When Rick Perry questioned the theory of evolution, Dawkins launched into full-on apoplexy, wondering aloud how anyone who questions evolution could be considered intelligent, even as polls indicate that a majority of Americans question evolution.

Bill Keller, then executive editor of The New York Times, topped all the rest by seeming to suggest that conservative Christians should be compared to those who believe in space aliens. He complained that “when it comes to the religious beliefs of our would-be presidents, we are a little squeamish about probing too aggressively.”

Really? Earlier this month, comedian Penn Jillette - a well–known atheist - wrote a very serious op-ed complaining of the political influence of “bugnut Christians,” in the pages of The Los Angeles Times, no less. Detect a pattern here?

By now, this is probably being read as a complaint against the secular elites and prominent voices in the mainstream media. It’s not.

If evangelicals intend to engage public issues and cultural concerns, we have to be ready for the scrutiny and discomfort that comes with disagreement over matters of importance. We have to risk being misunderstood - and even misrepresented - if we intend to say anything worth hearing.

Are evangelicals dangerous? Well, certainly not in the sense that more secular voices warn. The vast majority of evangelicals are not attempting to create a theocracy, or to oppose democracy.

To the contrary, evangelicals are dangerous to the secularist vision of this nation and its future precisely because we are committed to participatory democracy.

As Christians committed to the Bible, evangelicals have learned to advocate on behalf of the unborn, believing that every single human being, at every stage of development, is made in God’s image.

Evangelicals worry about the fate of marriage and the family, believing that the pattern for human relatedness set out in Scripture will lead to the greatest human flourishing.

We are deeply concerned about a host of moral and cultural issues, from how to address poverty to how to be good stewards of the earth, and on some of these there is a fairly high degree of disagreement even among us.

Above all, evangelicals are those who believe that Jesus Christ is Lord and are most concerned about telling others about Jesus. Most of America’s evangelical Christians are busy raising their children, working to support their families and investing energy in their local churches.

But over recent decades, evangelical Christians have learned that the gospel has implications for every dimension of life, including our political responsibility.

We’re dangerous only to those who want more secular voices to have a virtual monopoly in public life.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of R. Albert Mohler, Jr.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Christianity • Opinion • Politics

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  1. Mirosal

    Please. PLEASE tell me you aren't serious about this "rapture" in 4 days. If you really think it's going to happen, you're in worse shape that the evangelicals who want to control politics. Please... don't seek couseling, but instead proceed straight to medically induced coma.

    October 17, 2011 at 7:46 am |
  2. Reality

    From p. 70:

    As with most Christians, Mohler suffers from the Three B Syndrome, i.e. Bred, Born and Brainwashed in the flaws and fallacies of Christianity. The cure? Reading and rational thinking!!!!

    Synopsis of 21st Christianity based on the studies of Professors Crossan, Ludemann, Borg, Fredricksen et al:

    Jesus was an illiterate, Jewish, peasant/carpenter/simple preacher man who suffered from hallucinations and who has been characterized anywhere from the Messiah from Nazareth to a mythical character from mythical Nazareth to a ma-mzer from Nazareth (Professor Bruce Chilton, in his book Rabbi Jesus). An-alyses of Jesus’ life by many contemporary NT scholars via the NT and related doc-uments have concluded that only about 30% of Jesus' sayings and ways noted in the NT were authentic. The rest being embellishments (e.g. miracles)/hallucinations made/had by the NT authors to impress various Christian, Jewish and Pagan se-cts.

    The 30% of the NT that is "authentic Jesus" like everything in life was borrowed/plagiarized and/or improved from those who came before. In Jesus' case, it was the ways and sayings of the Babylonians, Greeks, Persians, Egyptians, Hit-ti-tes, Canaanites, OT, John the Baptizer and possibly the ways and sayings of traveling Greek Cynics.

    For added "pizz-azz", Catholic theologians divided god the singularity into three persons and invented atonement as an added guilt trip for the "pew people" to go along with this trinity of overseers. By doing so, they made god the padre into god the "fil-icider".

    Current RCC problems:

    Pedo-ph-iliac priests, an all-male, mostly white hierarchy, atonement theology and original sin!!!!

    Luther, Calvin, Joe Smith, Henry VIII, Wesley, Roger Williams, the Great “Babs” et al, founders of Christian-based religions or combination religions also suffered from the belief in/hallucinations of "pretty wingie thingie" visits and "prophecies" for profits analogous to the myths of Catholicism (resurrections, apparitions, ascensions and immacu-late co-nceptions).

    Current problems:

    Adu-lterous preachers, pedophiliac clerics, "propheteering/ profiteering" evangelicals and atonement theology,–

    (added details available)

    October 17, 2011 at 7:46 am |
  3. Btown

    Because of their "firm convictions" evangelicals are so easily manipulated and then end up supporting the worst type of politicians. Yes evangelicals ARE dangerous.

    October 17, 2011 at 6:28 am |
    • Mirosal

      By law the pastors cannot run for office, so they will do all they can behind the scenes to make sure one of their cronies gets in, so they can pull the strings. Also by law they cannot publicly endorse or oppose ANY candidate , whether is for the Presidency, or dog catcher.

      October 17, 2011 at 6:38 am |
    • SomeThoughts

      Remember that you also hold "firm" convictions. To ridicule the Christian for his "firm" convictions is foolish since you end up only ridiculing yourself. This blog is filled with angry atheists who are making the rest of us look as ignorant as the Christian caricature we are attacking. Shouldn't we be giving better arguments and offering some constructive solutions.

      If Christians are dangerous, what do you propose. An inquisition? Labor camps for Christian idiots? If these people are insane, then they are a threat to society, right? They need to be imprisoned, right? Or do we stop calling names and give rational arguments.

      You are embarrassing the rest of us, and your secular ideology is the reason that Christians are other non-atheists are being imprisoned and killed all over China (a secular atheistic state). Maybe you are the one who is dangerous?

      October 17, 2011 at 7:06 am |
    • AtheistSteve


      That's a strawman argument. The Soviet Union, China and Cambodia are totalitarian regimes where the ideology for their atrocities stems from Communism, Fascism, Marxism and/or Eugenics. You can't get from Atheism to genocide without including something entirely separate and distinct from not believing in a god. Atheism has no dogma or doctrine to base your prejudice on. All you need to do is look at Eastern European countries like Sweden, Denmark or Norway to see what predominately Atheistic Secular Humanism does for a society. They are affluent, successful and happy non-warring people.

      October 17, 2011 at 7:26 am |
    • AtrociAtheist

      Stalin, Mao and even Hitler are atheists. Their atrocities may not because of their atheism but for their lack of accountability to others.

      They thought that they are not accountable with their action to anyone other than themselves.

      October 17, 2011 at 7:54 am |
    • AtrociAtheist


      October 17, 2011 at 7:56 am |
    • Mirosal

      @ AtrociAtheist ... The Nazi regime was NOT atheistic. They had many many rituals centered on "god". These rituals would now be considered to be of the occult in some ways, but they never denied the existence of a "god". Hitler was actually raised Catholic, and did a little time as an altar boy. Read your history. Maybe he was abused as well?

      October 17, 2011 at 8:09 am |
    • AtrociAtheist

      Hitler may has been born a Catholic and an altar boy in his childhood but he had denounced it. Care to study history a lil bit further.

      "Maybe he was abused as well?"

      We have exactly the same thought! Such horrific experience in the hands of pedophiles may have make him an atheist.

      October 17, 2011 at 8:25 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      Hitler may have denounced his catholicism but he also believed that there should be only one true religion to rule. There is no evidence that says he was an Atheist, only that he denounced his original beliefs. In the end what he did had nothing to do with atheism or anything else...it was his warped little mind that made him control and manipulate people. What he apparently was seeking to do was to eliminate the Jewish race completely.

      In Mein Kampf,Hitler wrote neither as an atheist, an agnostic, nor as a believer in a remote, rationalist divinity. Instead he expressed his belief in one providential, active, deity:
      "What we must fight for is to safeguard the existence and the repro.duction of our race...so that our people may mature for the fulfillment of the mission allotted it by the creator of the universe...Peoples that bast.ardize themselves, or let themselves be bas.tardized, sin against the will of eternal Providence."

      October 17, 2011 at 8:38 am |
    • Scott - 1

      @AtrociAtheist: “Hitler may has been born a Catholic and an altar boy in his childhood but he had denounced it”. Care to provide references? Also it was the Christian church (both catholic and Martin Luther (have you read what he says about Jews?)) that taught him to hate Jews

      October 17, 2011 at 3:27 pm |
    • On the other hand

      If Hitler was indoctrinated with Catholicism at and early age, it is quite possible that he was infected with their insidious brain-worm of "We are the Best!" He might have left the rest of the dogma behind, but that worm remained. He just *started* with the Jews... left unchecked, he would have progressed to others whom he didn't consider to be "We".

      October 17, 2011 at 3:36 pm |
  4. MAJORITY always WINS

    @ Some thoughts for Steve

    The fact that I was not making a claim over anything whatsoever but had only tried to refute an unsubstantiative claim of a secular nation apparently made by atheists, might be enough reason not to include from those you were referring in your opening statement above.

    Moving forward however, let me thank you for putting my thoughts in words, VERY WELL PUT. I just couldn't say it any better.

    October 17, 2011 at 6:22 am |
  5. Facts Reveal

    @ Truth

    Your opinion are only words and have no true meaning in reality.

    October 17, 2011 at 5:48 am |
    • Mirosal

      As far as your screen name goes, what facts are you going to reveal for us?

      October 17, 2011 at 6:10 am |
    • Facts Reveal

      The mere fact that Truth Prevails's opinion are only words and have no true meaning in reality.

      October 17, 2011 at 6:25 am |
    • Mirosal

      The same can be said of your words and opinions as well. However, I will open the door on this and will listen to your opinions. You have the floor.

      October 17, 2011 at 6:32 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      @Facts: My words are fact. You have no proof of a god; the country is secular; the words in god we trust were not put on the money until 1954 or at least it wasn't put on 'bills'. So unlike you who is hypocritical when it comes to my name, you name should read fiction not facts b/c you can't even get it straight. You are another great delusional freak of nature setting out to destroy the country with their fairy tales...you really do belong in a fairy tale, not the real world.

      @Mirosal: Facts is obivously meant to say fiction since he/she is in agreement with Majority and they believe in the same biblical nonsense that has been spewed on about for 2000 years now. I'm guessing neither of them has studied anything outside of the bible and if that is what they are calling facts I pity them.

      October 17, 2011 at 6:53 am |
    • Facts Reveal

      So much for the game.

      "The same can be said of your words and opinions as well."

      The post that you've been replying was supposedly a reply to Truth Prevails's comment under Majority always Win (see it below). It's my own way to send him/her/its exactly the same message from the your statement that I quoted above.

      October 17, 2011 at 7:06 am |
    • Mirosal

      ok got it ... fact .. Roman gods are no more. Greek gods are no more. Egyptian gods are no more. Norse gods are no more. History has proven beyond reasonable doubt that the "gods" of yesteryear have been relegated to the realm of mythology. All the praying that was done in their names was all for naught. They died off anyway. Why? Because man started to discover how the world around them worked, and no longer needed a fairy tale to explain what lightning was, or how the sun moved across the sky. In time, this "god" of today shall also join Zeus, Apollo, Osiris, and Thor. All those "gods" are long gone, yet man is still here. Why is that?

      October 17, 2011 at 7:08 am |
    • Facts Reveal


      Once and for all...

      I did NOT claim about existence of any God. I just found Truth Prevails's statement as strawman's argument.

      I opted not to say it directly to his face but rather rephrase it to catch him/her/its with his/her/its own mouth and fry him. But you were the one who bit the bait that let him/here/it freely swimming and babbling, I mean...rather bubbling in the muddy lake.

      But anyway, I find you a better/bigger catch than him/her/its. Should I caught him/her/it, I definitely throw him/her/it back in that murky lake. He's/she's/it's quite so small for a catch.

      October 17, 2011 at 7:43 am |
    • Mirosal

      Just remember, pirhannas, though small, can be just as deadly as sharks. Be careful where you fish.

      October 17, 2011 at 7:55 am |
    • Facts Reveal

      Thanks for your concern, but no need to worry it's not piranha infested. He/she/it is more likely a janitor fish than a piranha.

      October 17, 2011 at 8:15 am |
    • Mirosal

      hmmm.. let me make sure I have what I need .. religious education .. check ... Mensa card ... check ... 21 years military (Navy) .. check ... ok, ready to get haze gray and underway.

      October 17, 2011 at 8:20 am |
    • Facts Reveal

      "(21 years military (Navy) .. check ... )"

      Sorry to say but I do believe that there is no atheist in the foxholes.

      October 17, 2011 at 8:34 am |
    • Mirosal

      If there was a foxhole on my ship, that's a SERIOUS design flaw!! lol 🙂

      October 17, 2011 at 8:38 am |
    • Facts Reveal

      I find it both clever and funny. Thanks for the good laughs!!!

      October 17, 2011 at 8:59 am |
  6. MAJORITY always WINS

    All those who claim this country a secularists while it's STILL "Under God and in God We Trust" must be ashamed of themselves.

    October 17, 2011 at 4:27 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      In God We Trust was not put on anything until 1954. It is a secular country whether you agree or not. You have the freedom to practice your delusions as you wish but remember that separation of church and state are on the forefront always.

      Take your head out of the bible for a second and do some real research...you'd be amazed how much information has become available since the writing of the fairy tales you believe in.

      October 17, 2011 at 4:50 am |
    • MAJORITY always WINS

      Perhaps, IT WAS...but ONLY until 1954. But definitlely NOT anymore...the evidence is clear, get ove it!

      October 17, 2011 at 4:59 am |
    • MAJORITY always WINS

      P.S. I did not base my opinion from what the bible says but from what the government says.

      Do you have a Hundred bucks inside your pocket? Read it, if you hate what it says, then throw it! But call me first, I would be much more than willing to pick-it up and keep it.

      October 17, 2011 at 5:08 am |
    • AtheistSteve

      The only thing that's clear is that thinking like yours brought about the Inquisition, the Crusades, the Salem witch trials and even Prohibition. You should change your name to "Mob Rules"...it fits better. The vast majority used to think the world was flat....and they were wrong too.

      October 17, 2011 at 5:09 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      The government doesn't say anything about it being a christian nation, it does however state it is a secular country. It is called freedom of/from religion. The country was founded by deists, not theists. The country was founded long before in god we trust was ever put on anything. Once again they are only words and have no true meaning in reality.

      October 17, 2011 at 5:19 am |
    • SomeThoughts

      To Atheist Steve,

      Though I can agree that there are some very ignorant people out there who are making some very ignorant claims, I would remind you that secular atheistic regimes (Soviet Union, China and Cambodia) have led to more deaths in the 20th century alone, than the inquisition and crusades combined many times over.

      I would suggest that instead of calling the Christian names and looking stupid, we engage him in dialogue and try to shown where his position fails philosophically. We need to ask ourselves how our secular view explains reality, meaning, and morality. Is our view coherent and does it offer a better life and clearer answers than that of the Christian or other theist.

      October 17, 2011 at 5:37 am |
    • MAJORITY always WINS

      "it does however state it is a secular country."


      It's quite such a claim. And you wish to back it up by destorting the phrase that completely in contrast with it, just by putting a slash and inserting a preposition (from) hoping that you can fool somebody to take it the same as with "of" is taken.

      I thought you were a worthy opponent, it's quite disappointing talking to to you.

      October 17, 2011 at 5:40 am |
    • MAJORITY always WINS

      *should be read: I thought you were a worthy opponent but I was wrong

      October 17, 2011 at 5:42 am |
    • ashrakay

      "In God We Trust" (Quran 7: 89) Are you now going to claim that the allah is your god, since you're quoting a muslim book?

      October 17, 2011 at 5:45 am |
    • Facts Reveal

      @Thruth Prevails

      Your opinion are only words and have no true meaning in reality.

      October 17, 2011 at 5:51 am |
    • Mirosal

      @ ashrakay ... you said "the allah". You seem to think it's a different god than that of the Jews or Christians. I have news for you. "Allah" is simply the Arabic word for "god", just like "dios" is Spanish, "gott" is German. Same god, just a differnt language.

      October 17, 2011 at 6:26 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      to offer a little fact on this, in 1970 the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit ruled: "It is quite obvious that the national motto and the slogan on coinage and currency 'In God We Trust' has nothing whatsoever to do with the establishment of religion. Its use is of patriotic or ceremonial character and bears no true resemblance to a governmental sponsorship of a religious exercise."

      October 17, 2011 at 7:16 am |
    • Scott - 1

      @SomeThoughts: I would remind you that secular atheistic regimes (Soviet Union, China and Cambodia) have led to more deaths in the 20th century alone, than the inquisition and crusades
      Communism – is just another religionThe former Soviet Union, former Cambodia and current China are all dogmatic, authoritarian, totalitarian belief systems, just like all the other religions

      October 17, 2011 at 4:12 pm |
    • ashrakay

      @Mirosal, Thank you. I'm aware. They're all invisible, magical, fantasy superheroes. It doesn't really matter what you call them. I just enjoy pointing out to christians when they're quoting from a muslim book.

      October 17, 2011 at 4:32 pm |
  7. bigdakine

    Jesus Saves.

    But Moses Invests!

    October 17, 2011 at 4:14 am |
  8. MAJORITY always WINS

    It never ceased to amuse me to see minorities vehemently claiming this country belongs to (securalists) them. While there number is immaterial, thus (they're)irrelevant.

    October 17, 2011 at 4:12 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      No-one has stated the country belongs to secularists, only that it is a secular country. The reality is that the country belongs to everyone who resides within it regardless of belief or non-belief. That minority you speak of is quickly becoming the majority.

      October 17, 2011 at 4:26 am |
    • MAJORITY always WINS

      How could it become a "secular country" when it's "Under God" and "In God its People Trust?

      As long as America is STILL "Under God" and In God We Trust, There's no way it becomes a secular one,

      Minority remains a minority (yesterday, today and tomorrow) and it could NEVER win!

      October 17, 2011 at 4:41 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      You're an uneducated ignorant idiot without a true clue as to the history of the country. Read my comment to your moronic statement above and maybe you'll understand. I doubt that though considering you've yet to grow up away from fairy tales.

      October 17, 2011 at 4:52 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      btw: it is a secular country, thus the reason for separation of church and state. Minority is quickly becoming the majority and it is your failure to take your head out of the bible that makes you blind to this fact. If you want to live in a country where they only represent one religion, then you're living in the wrong country. Just because the word god is anywhere does not mean it has meaning...they are only words written by men.

      October 17, 2011 at 5:00 am |
    • MAJORITY always WINS

      I had replied your reply above. Kindly read i.

      BTW, good job for using name calling as valid argument. But it never surprise me a bit. You must be an atheist, they tend resorting to it when they ran out of valid argument. How TYPICAL!

      October 17, 2011 at 5:21 am |
    • Mirosal

      @ Majority ... the onus is on you. Please refer to "Russel's Teapot" for further guidance. In 1954, those words were put in place due to the expansion of Communism, and the overwhelimng fears that McCarthyism was preaching to the nation at that time. McCarthy was ultimately proven wrong, and as valid history has shown, and has proven, this "god" of yours will in time pass also.

      October 17, 2011 at 5:52 am |
    • chrisg

      Majority, America is not a "majority" Christian nation. If you would do just a LITTLE RESEARCH, you would know that.

      October 17, 2011 at 1:27 pm |
  9. Mirosal

    ANYONE who inserts religious views into secular government is attempting to overthrow the established government. That's treason. These few "men of god" who stand at pulpits and lecterns want to tell the majority of Americans how they are to live their lives. What would they do to Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Atheists? Don't forget the myriad Native American tribes and their associated beliefs either. This minority rule is called apartheid, and it's illegal.

    October 17, 2011 at 3:04 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      How about the basic concept of separation of church and state or freedom of/from religion? Neither of those are illegal and they are what people are acting upon.

      October 17, 2011 at 4:30 am |
    • Mirosal

      No, they want the church to BE the state, and/or vice-versa. They only want people who share their views on invisible sky-fairy kings to hold office. Our Consti.tution was written without the word "god" in it for a reason. These bible-toting bigots only want ONE view, and it isn't mine. I'm all for the seperation of church and state, the further away the 2 are, the better things can be. When their candidate isn't elected, all we can tell them is that "Well, I guess god didn't want your guy in office, it's his will y'know".

      October 17, 2011 at 4:39 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      @Mirosal: it was a complete mis-reading on my behalf...sorry for that.

      October 17, 2011 at 4:54 am |
    • Mirosal

      @ Truth Prevails ... all is forgiven. For your penance, you are to say 5 Hail FSM's with all its noodly goodness and top that with 2 helpings of marinara 🙂

      October 17, 2011 at 5:01 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      well at least that is better than hail mary's...the FSM is my favorite, he always loves me and unconditionally at that 🙂

      October 17, 2011 at 5:12 am |
    • AtheistSteve

      Mmmmm....Pastafarianism is the yummiest religion.

      October 17, 2011 at 5:14 am |
    • Mirosal

      And, the best part is ... you can vary it and top it however YOU want, and no one will ever fight you over which way is the right way, even fellow Pastafarianists will never tell you you're wrong 🙂

      October 17, 2011 at 5:31 am |
  10. I used to be a christian

    .....I've read many, many of the posts here, I don't think everyone is getting it. It's not that there are not nice people who just happen to be Christians (there are), just that many of us don't want any theology influencing our government

    October 17, 2011 at 2:30 am |
    • Clephas

      Definitely... theology has no place in government or politics. Since I also consider atheism to be a form of religion, I see the insistence on atheism in politicians to be just as problematic, in principal. If you have faith that there is no divine creator of the universe, it is the same as having faith that such a being does exist. Regardless, theology should never dictate public policy in any way, form, or fashion in this country.

      October 17, 2011 at 2:38 am |
    • HotAirAce


      Believing there are no gods is *not* the same as believing there are gods! Believing there are no gods or that it is unlikely that there are any gods is the natural result of realizing that there is no objective, independent, factual or verifiable evidence to indicate there are any gods. Believing that there are gods requires that you completely ignore the lack of objective, independent, factual and verifiable evidence. Not believing is quite logical and the norm when evaluating almost any other proposition with a similar lack of evidence, but for some reason, completely baffling to me, when it comes to religion, the rules of logic get turned upside down!

      October 17, 2011 at 3:24 am |
    • SomeThoughts

      You have failed to see that action cannot be separated from belief. We all act according to our beliefs. A politician who holds a Christian outlook cannot be asked to pass legislation that contradicts his personal beliefs and his conscience any more than an atheist, Buddhist, or Muslim could be asked to do the same. "Theology" will have a place in government as long as Christians are permitted to hold public office. But do not forget that Darwinism, Existentialism, Marxism, Islam, Pantheism, and a myriad of other views will also be represented in our government.

      Atheism is a philosophical outlook – a belief system. Secularism is too. To say that "theology" has no place in government is to suggest that Christian must "believe" like Christians and "act" like atheists. There is a concern that Christians are shoving religion down the unwilling throats of others. Yet, it might be argued that secularists are doing the same to Christians. Questions over the truth of a worldview or belief system should be debated and settled publicly.

      Though I may not be a Christian, I do see it as glib and juvenile (not by you but, by some other in this blog) to dismiss centuries of Christian intellectual tradition, complex philosophical arguments, and valid research in science, as if Christians are ignorant and unwarranted in their beliefs. Those who say that Christians are backwoods idiots who believe in imaginary friends, have likewise, demonstrated their own ignorance. It is more constructive to engage them in debate and to work toward policies that reflect the best interests of this country.

      October 17, 2011 at 5:24 am |
    • fred

      It is a matter of self or something outside of self that is needed. Government is led by men just like Hiltler, Stalin etc. To become a big fish in a big pond requires a special type of person. With the exception of the likes of Abraham, David and Jesus these big fish go bad. Self takes over then they make bad decisions and millions are killed. This pattern is repeated over and over. Now, most on this site hate the Bible. But, believe it or not the Bible addresses this issue. Back at the tower of Babble man gets together and starts to buid the global world government with one man at the head and selfish desire at the foundation. God took it down and scattered the people because He knew what happens when strong men contol to much.
      We always have competing forces to keep self in check. The largest force is good and evil and they have danced since the beginning of time. We need good to keep our evil governments in check. Good typically has been the overriding character of God . We need God.

      October 17, 2011 at 12:06 pm |
    • Ok'yDok'y

      "To become a big fish in a big pond requires a special type of person. With the exception of the likes of Abraham, David and Jesus these big fish go bad. Self takes over then they make bad decisions and millions are killed"

      That's not true, Gandhi, Buddha, Helen Keller, MLK, Rosa Parks, etc, can prove your thoughts wrong. You don't have to be a christian to be a great leader. If you look at the corruption within the catholic church as a great example of leadership gone bad.

      October 17, 2011 at 12:15 pm |
    • fred

      You made my point with your Catholic Church example big fish go bad. As to Rosa Parks standing up a strong christian gives credit to God as does MLK. Budda, Gondi etc. their core goodness comes from the same source as Jesus did. You mention Helen Keller perhaps she is calling out to you :
      "Here was a faith [she says] that emphasized what I felt so keenly - the separateness between soul and body, between a realm I could picture as a whole and the chaos of fragmentary things and limited physical senses met at every turn . . . As I realized the meaning of what I read, my soul seemed to expand and gain confidence amid the difficulties which beset me. . . . Gradually I came to see that I could use the Bible, which had so baffled me, as an instrument for digging out precious truths, just as I could use my hindered, halting body for the high behests of my spirit. . . . So I grew to womanhood, and, as unaccountably as Conrad found in English the language of his choice, I took more and more to the New Church doctrines as my religion. They have lifted my wistful longing for a fuller sense-life into a vivid consciousness of the complete being within me. Each day comes to me with both hands full of possibilities, and in its brief course I discern all the varieties and realities of my existence, the bliss of growth, the glory of action, the spirit of beauty"

      Ok'y it is my prayer for you that the blind may lead the blind.

      October 17, 2011 at 12:32 pm |
    • Ok'yDok'y

      “Ok'y it is my prayer for you that the blind may lead the blind.”

      Oh plz that’s the stupidest thing I have ever heard, nice judgment moron. Keep showing you can’t even follow your own faith. Nice twisting and getting off topic too, typical christian.

      October 17, 2011 at 12:38 pm |
    • fred

      Ah, the old judgement ploy in an attempt to avoid reality. Truth is you brought up those you thought refute the things of God and His rule only to find their faith rests in goodness. Why so opposed to goodness, what is it you do that fears the light? What exactly was wrong with the faith and lifesyle of the role models you point out?

      October 17, 2011 at 2:07 pm |
    • Ok'yDok'y

      "Why so opposed to goodness, what is it you do that fears the light? '

      Oh plz are you grasping at straws to justify your pitiful beliefs. The point is you don't need a god to be good moron, especially since religion has killed more people than any other form of governing ourselves. What christians can't cope with is goodness in the absence of a god.

      October 17, 2011 at 2:13 pm |
    • fred

      You need to check your facts more people did not die as a result of religion than other forms of government. That is bunk. What gets confused is that bad people and bad governments used religion and God as excusses or causes to do what they should not do.
      Wrong on good. Good cannot be known without God. Simply look at those on this site that call hate good and God bad. Truth is what ever you or the party in charge want to make it. Hitler convinced almost an entire country that burning Jews and burying Jews alive in pits was good. One witness recalls a 5 year old clinging and screeming for her mom as the bull dozers pushed the dirt over them. So you can keep your delusion that God is bad and people are good. I will stick with 4,000 years of written hisory that shows otherwise.

      October 17, 2011 at 3:27 pm |
    • Ok'yDok'y

      “Truth is what ever you or the party in charge want to make it. Hitler convinced almost an entire country that burning Jews and burying Jews alive in pits was good. “

      Yeah you would have to cling to Hilter to justify you’re pitiful beliefs. But goodness does have a place in humanity without a god. Let’s play your game and now talk about The Crusades were Christian military and religious expeditions launched both against rival religions and even other Christians. Not only did the Crusades lay the groundwork for medieval Christian society and feudalism, but they also laid the groundwork for contemporary violence between Muslims and Christians. Both Islam and Christianity become involved with mass murder over religion, holy sites, and religious beliefs for centuries.

      October 17, 2011 at 3:41 pm |
    • fred

      Wrong on all fronts. Go back and read he words of Jesus again. "but I say love your enemy" "all the law of the Prophets can be stated in two: love God and love your neighbor as yourself". Now, that really sounds like the delusion you have about Christians. As I said few christians do as they should.
      It does not matter if you thow bad Muslims or bad Christians in the air as examples. The point is there is good and evil not chirstians and muslims. Granted the Quran says to kill off the infidels and Jesus says to love em. Perhaps it is a blessing that few people follow their faith.

      October 17, 2011 at 3:56 pm |
    • Ok'yDok'y

      “”Christians. As I said few christians do as they should.”

      LMAO! Now that’s funny.

      “The point is there is good and evil”

      No it’s more like good and ignorance. Most evil/hate that is created is based on the foundation of ignorance. Once you strip the ignorance away then we can function as a society in harmony, that is why it’s so important to strip christianity out of our society. You’ve even admitted they don’t even follow their own rulebook. LOL!

      October 17, 2011 at 4:13 pm |
    • Scott - 1

      @Clephas: “I also consider atheism to be a form of religion” However that is just your opinion and not necessarily backed up by facts.
      Atheism is not a religion because it is based on Science.
      Science is guided by natural laws. Religion is guided by an old book
      Science has to be explanatory by reference to natural law. Religion isn’t explained by anything except an old book.
      Science is testable against the empirical world. Religion is testable against an old book.
      Science is falsifiable, if a theory is wrong it will be discovered and corrected. Religion claims to be perfect, immutable and unchangeabl

      October 17, 2011 at 4:53 pm |
    • Scott - 1

      @fred: “Hitler convinced almost an entire country that burning Jews and burying Jews alive in pits was good.” The only reason Hitler could do that is because the catholic and Lutheran churches had already indoctrinated their followers to hate Jews. Read some of Luther’s writings about Jews

      October 17, 2011 at 5:15 pm |
    • Scott - 1

      @fred: Here’s a little quote from Martin Luther about Jews
      First to set fire to their synagogues or schools and to bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them. This is to be done in honor of our Lord and of Christendom, so that God might see that we are Christians

      October 17, 2011 at 5:18 pm |
    • fred

      My grandmother was there she told me all about it. It had nothing to do with God or following Luther. Something about a people christian or not caught up in a public lynching. When they realized what they had done after the war then came the guilt. Luther had guilt to begin with. Perhaps people that feel guilt are quick to unload on others.

      October 17, 2011 at 6:15 pm |
  11. Mirosal

    I only ask one thong to those who proclaim that this book of theirs is the end-all and be-all of everything. Do you believe EVERY word of that book? Answer carefully.. I said EVERY word, from Genesis to Revelation. No lenghty reply needed, just a simple yes or no will suffice

    October 17, 2011 at 2:25 am |
    • snow

      Of course not. They will ALWAYS find ways to defend why they do not support some passages but will vouch by others.

      Besides, I can bet 20 bucks that no man who defends the book has ACTUALLY read it from end to end. They only remember the ones someone read to them on a holiday morning

      October 17, 2011 at 3:10 am |
  12. Nathan G.

    Referring to religious people, evangelicals or otherwise, as insane or unintelligent does nothing to further the argument against their influence. Hurling insults at them is as childish as the "haha, you're going to burn in hell" response that often comes back. Now for my part, I do have issues with this article.

    First of all, the statement that "the majority of Americans question evolution" – this is one of those statements where facts are taken and presented in a specific way to imply more support for one side than the other. The fact of the matter is that the percentages of Americans who outright accept or outright deny evolution are equal. There are individuals in the middle who either accept evolution (or parts of it) with a god-inclusion caveat or have no opinion (not the same as questioning at all). It would be more accurate to say that only x% of Americans outright deny or accept evolution, or that x% still do or don't believe it.

    Secondly, the idea that the secular voice having a virtual monopoly on public life is a bad thing is counterintuitive. If you are Evangelical, do you want say, Muslims knocking on your door every other day to ask why you have not accepted Allah as the one true god and Mohammad as his prophet? Religion should stay out of the public sector – faith should be personal, not shoved down people's throats. This is why many atheists lash out at religion (and no, I am not talking about those taking the intellectually superior look-down-on-faith standpoint) – because many fiercely religious people insist on judging them. Just look at the "haha, enjoy the lake of fire" comments.

    My big issue with this article is that in the absolutism of its statement, it is incorrect. Everyone is "dangerous" to someone else for some reason or another. Evangelicals are dangerous to many people, because of one of the key commitments of their faith – actively expressing and sharing the gospel. This might be seen as trying to save people, but the people being saved feel another's faith being shoved down their throats and they feel judged. It is worse when it enters the political realm, because it tries to legally force religious beliefs on everyone. Evangelicals reporesent about 26% of the US population. Why should the other 74% be forced to live by their religious limitations, or not be able to force theirs on Evangelicals?

    October 17, 2011 at 2:19 am |
  13. Aradia

    i told Jesus I wouldn't go to church and he shook my hand

    October 17, 2011 at 2:08 am |
    • Mirosal

      Did he really shake your hand, or is there an app for that? 🙂

      October 17, 2011 at 4:41 am |
  14. E=MC2

    Wow, almost 2:00 AM here. If you read any of my post I just want to leave it with this thought. First, I am an Immunologist. I do understand a lot about science. Evolution does occur, it is a question of how it all started. The human body alone, let a lone a single organism is far too complicated to just randomly occur. Still, like so many analogies in the bible, you have to understand the time period it was written and how it was to be understood. Is a day a day? this is NOT the point of the bible, this is a very minor point, yet people get hung up on it I believe as an excuse to question it. Although i am not a physicist, I am very interested in String Theory. Without going into it here, calls for 11 or 12 dimensions. It is NOT considered crazy to accept the idea of parallel universe in which another universe, beings can literally be right in front of us, yet we can never see or detect them. That is one of the big questions the new CERN Large Hadron Collider hopes to answer- where is all the power of gravity go? The hope to see gravitrons appear and then suddenly be gone. There hope is to show that these gravitrons jump to another dimension. So, if other universes are possible as well as parallel universes in which "things, objects, beings" can be right in front of us with no detection............................... why not God?

    October 17, 2011 at 2:04 am |
    • jmb2fly

      I work nights (not this one though). Cool thoughts!

      October 17, 2011 at 2:06 am |
    • Don't Feed Ignorance

      To be intellectually honest, the correct question to pose is, "Why god?". But, those who've already taken the 2000+ yr-old fantasies of people living in a primitive agrarian society as their worldview, simply because they were either brainwashed as children or are non-critical thinkers, typically make this argument you're implying of requiring others to "prove" your god doesn't exist. Perhaps I can best illustrate the silliness of that argument by posing my own demand: "Prove to me that the world wasn't created by an invisible pink panda, because that's what I believe!"

      October 17, 2011 at 2:16 am |
    • Andrew

      Well, I'm not schooled enough in biology to compete with an immunologist, so I won't even try to discuss abiogenesis, it's simply not my major.

      But physics and math, however, I'm a bit more able to comment on. First, the probability bit seems a bit awkward, don't even get me started on how unlikely it is for a rock outside my room to have just 'happened' to be in its particular configuration at that particular location on earth. The numbers make whenever creationists go 'that's a one in one with five hundred thousand zeros after it chance' look likely in comparison.

      But timescales, that's a bit different. First of all, the order of genesis is wrong, and as an immunologist you should realize that fish came well before flowering plants, and that the sun did not come after the earth. But more importantly, the time of a 'day' changes dramatically. For example, the last 3 'days' would have taken place over a few hundred million years, while the first 3 'days' would have taken place over roughly 13 billion years. Kinda awkward to call them all the same timescale, I'd really just imagine old people compiling mythology would conceive of that.

      Now as far as string theory goes, there is NO evidence behind it. At all. And it's the most well publicized theory of quantum gravity, but not necessarily the only one. (There's quantum loop gravity, after all). Also, the LHC really only hopes to do one thing, and that's find the Higgs. Everything beyond that is icing on the cake, but it does only get up to 7TeV per beam, so we have only about a single order of magnitude more energy than the tevatron had, physicists aren't necessarily expecting anything crazy. It'd be awesome if we do discover crazy stuff, but beyond the Higgs, the LHC isn't necessarily going to give us many answers. It's certainly not expected to help address problems related to seeing gravitons, if they exist. We don't have nearly high enough energy collisions for that. At least, not to expect results, who knows, we might get lucky, but the physicists at the LHC really only want to find the Higgs right now. At least, that's at Atlas and CMS, experiments like LHCb look at very different physics.

      October 17, 2011 at 2:18 am |
    • tallulah13

      I disagree with your initial premise that a single organism is too complicated to randomly occur. I think, considering the sheer volume of time and the sheer volume of material available, the formation of life was almost unavoidable. The human form is anything but random. It took a lot of time to develop to where we are now. The majority of species that have lived on this planet did not make the cut. Our survival is a testament to the ability of life to adapt.

      As for god, if there were proof, I'd believe. But since there isn't a single shred of evidence of any god ever, it seems to me that it's doubtful that proof will ever be produced. If there is a god, it is nothing like humans imagine and probably has no interest in our little rock.

      October 17, 2011 at 2:18 am |
    • Mr Mark

      "Is a day a day? this is NOT the point of the bible, this is a very minor point, yet people get hung up on it I believe as an excuse to question it."

      The point is that if the Bible can get simple things like facts about the way the material world works, why should it be believed in regard to the BIG questions?

      Is a day a day? We know the Earth evolved over billions of years. the Bible says it took six days. Accomodationists like you would allow that maybe the day in the Bible wasn't a 24-hour day. maybe a day was a million or even a billion years long in "god time."

      Well, that brings us to the problem of the plants. You know, the plants that the Bible says were created on the third day, ie: the day BEFORE the sun was created. Now, how exactly did all those plants survive if they had to wait around a million years (ie: one "god day") for the sun to be created?

      And on and on it goes. The Bible has more errors in it than an early Mets game. If a college student walked in with a term paper as error-ridden, he'd get an F. But since it's the Bible, we're supposed to stop our intellect and just accept that the Bible knows what it's talking about, even though the Bible can't even get the small stuff right.

      October 17, 2011 at 2:18 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      When it comes to the steps in Genesis and the reported steps of evolution, I see that on many steps both are closer together than they are apart.

      October 17, 2011 at 5:16 am |
    • ashrakay

      Why not magical bunnies that fart rainbows? We can "why not" anything... so then the question becomes, why god?

      October 17, 2011 at 5:48 am |
    • Bucky Ball

      Even Einstein said "God doesn't play dice ....etc." He lost that argument.

      October 17, 2011 at 7:22 am |
    • Scott - 1

      Thank you for an intelligent well presented comment. You say “"things, objects, beings" can be right in front of us with no detection............................... why not God?” Which god? The god of deists works pretty well for this, but, the Christian and Muslim gods are defined by so many attributes (just, loving, omnipotent, punishing evil, rewarding good, protecting their followers…..) That they’re action should be detectable. It is on this lack of delectability that supports my conclusion that they do not exist.

      If you propose a totally undetectable god I suppose the inability to detect him just goes as one more proof he exists

      October 17, 2011 at 5:43 pm |
  15. jmb2fly

    I still say, God is an Awesome God! Creator of Heaven and Earth! Savior, Redeemer, and Friend!

    October 17, 2011 at 1:54 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      Hey, is that from the Gospel song "You are Holy"?

      October 17, 2011 at 2:00 am |
    • jmb2fly

      Similar to it, we sing it often; actually just my thought of the moment. The reaction to praising God really shows who behind the voices here......

      October 17, 2011 at 2:02 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      I love that song. No real solo lead, just choir response. Ending is not too hot on the video though but, very powerful song.

      October 17, 2011 at 2:08 am |
    • Frank

      Say it all you want. Just don't dare teach it to my kids.

      October 17, 2011 at 4:05 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      I still say that you need to provide proof that god exists.

      October 17, 2011 at 4:43 am |
  16. RobynH

    >> What is so scary about America’s evangelical Christians?

    A significant number of them are people who have lost their minds,
    and are hell-bent on doing what they see as their God appointed task,
    bringing about the end of the human race.

    Clear enough?

    For one example:
    This week I listened to C Peter Wagner, one of Rick Perry's campaign advisors.
    He spoke cheerfully about how he is a prophet appointed by God to direct the lives of everyone else.

    He discussed how often Rick Perry would have to undergo exorcisms to rid himself of demons.
    He spoke of the need to educate (force) Jews and Muslims to accept Jesus as their savior.
    He was outspoken that science is always wrong whenever it disputes, disagrees, or demonstrates errors in the Bible,
    So Evolution, Zoology, Botany, Biology, Archeology, Chemistry, and Physics do not exist.
    According to him we must deny the existence of any book that differs in even the smallest item from the infallable Bible.

    He was detailed and specific in his belief that these are the end times,
    and that the President needs to be prepared at any moment to fight Armageddon.

    In short he was a lunatic, promoting a program of mass suicide,
    and advising the person some people already call the presumptive Republican nominee for President.

    That is why these people are scary.
    Forgetting for the moment how identical all of this sounds to the Taliban fanatics.
    These people are suicide cultists who want to take everyone with them into their imagined paradise of death.
    They are not the people who should be controlling the U.S. nuclear launch codes.

    October 17, 2011 at 1:46 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      Good grief dude,...the man is 80+ years old. Can you provide a link showing this interview and his connection to Perry? I only see that his foundation was part of the Vigil at the stadium.

      October 17, 2011 at 2:06 am |
    • E=MC2

      These are the actions of "man" not God. It is VERY clear in the bible that many will profess things without truly understanding. Even if any of these candidates is truly a believer, they still are men. They will make mistakes. With all the best intentions, they will make mistakes. Dont look to them for spiritual guidance simply because they share their faith.

      October 17, 2011 at 2:08 am |
    • Incredible


      The thing is - men (very similar to this Wagner guy) are the ones who wrote (and later compiled) your Bible... all of it.

      October 17, 2011 at 2:38 am |
    • SomeThoughts

      What should we do then with these evangelical lunatics? Round them up and put them in prisons or even death camps? They should not be allowed to speak publicly or even instruct their own children. If they are a threat to life and decency, they need to somehow be eliminated, right? Since the Bible was written and compiled by fallible men, lets stop these Christians by using our own ideas and books (also constructed by fallible men).

      Europe and North America have been dominated by Christian thought for centuries and there has never been anything like a Taliban style rule. We could argue that the Catholic church came close, but the church was acting in line with greed, power, political dominion. Many of the popes and cardinals were murders and fornicators (hardly a biblical worldview).

      Before we push people into political hysteria and form a lynch mob to go after these Christians, lets try some diplomacy.

      October 17, 2011 at 6:00 am |
  17. spunkychk

    Nobody knows ..... those who say they do are fooling only themselves. I prefer people who don't wear their religion on their shoulder – who don't act like they KNOW – because nobody does. Religious zealots are to be avoided... they're frankly dangerous ... and often lying & hypocritical (especially the politicians)

    October 17, 2011 at 1:44 am |
    • jmb2fly

      Nobody knows what?

      October 17, 2011 at 1:47 am |
    • paige

      Faith has to be a hope of things which are to come. If we had sure evidence and proof that all men would believe, it would require no faith. Faith is an inner strength that,frankly , i'm grateful for the opportunity to gain. You hate those who know because you don't know. Those who are lost want others to be lost too. There is a quiet dignity among those who have faith. It can't be matched. It is the knowledge of who we are – Sons and Daughters of a Father in Heaven who loves us. If you want to have that too, I recommend http://www.mormon.org. Learn more about those who live by faith – not fear.

      October 17, 2011 at 1:56 am |
    • Don't Feed Ignorance

      Faith is no more "inner strength" than cancer is good for you. Faith is giving up. Faith is saying you don't know and then saying, "But I'm going to live my life according to this illogical, silly-sounding stuff that someone else told me I should believe." If you had any courage, you'd stop at "I don't know". Because, of course, people of "faith" just can't stand to leave others that don't share their particular brand of fantasy alone.

      October 17, 2011 at 2:24 am |
    • Dragonwind

      Paige, let me quote you something from the bible and then make a point concerning it for you to think about.

      When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

      Example, Tooth Fairy, Santa Clause, Leprechauns. All things we as adults put aside as childish beliefs.. yet... we refuse to take the actual adult step and put aside the belief in an all powerful, all knowing "God" that is quite literally known ONLY from pages purported to be from 'Sane, Rational" adults.

      However, if any 'Sane Rational Adult" today said God spoke to them and told them to take a mess of people out of where ever.. they would be rightly incarcerated for their own safety and medicated into a stupor.

      When I became an adult, I put aside childish things, like believing in Ghosts, Goblins and Gods.

      October 17, 2011 at 2:25 am |
  18. Roy S. Hradilek

    Evangelicals want to be raptured. They want Armageddon to happen. They want everyone in the world to die who doesn't share their religion. They vote for the candidate most likely to trigger thermonuclear war through confrontational foreign policies. This is 1/3 of the republican base.
    Not dangerous?

    October 17, 2011 at 1:41 am |
    • HZD

      Get educated on what real Evangelicals actually believe, dude. The crazy Harold Camping followers are considered crazy by everyone in the Christian camp too, just so you know. Seriously, have you ever met a single Christian who wants to start WWIII so that the world will end and Jesus will come back? Because I haven't, and I've lived my entire life completely surrounded by all kinds of Evangelicals. You are just making yourself look silly.

      October 17, 2011 at 1:49 am |
    • spunkychk

      nothing more boring than evangelicals trying to push a book of fiction.

      October 17, 2011 at 1:53 am |
    • RobynH

      >> Seriously, have you ever met a single Christian who wants to start WWIII so that the world will end and Jesus will come back?


      October 17, 2011 at 1:55 am |
  19. Fed Up

    Yeah... The guy who wrote this thinks that Hindus are doomed to Hell simply for not thinking like him. Screw yourself.

    October 17, 2011 at 1:39 am |
    • Jenn

      And you, who wrote this, have condemned Evangelicals to stupidity because they have not conformed to your beliefs. If you're going to make an argument, please try to make one that won't be used against you.

      October 17, 2011 at 2:18 am |
    • Dragonwind

      That is rather funny Jenn, I don't see anywhere in what he said, that was in any way calling Evangelicals stupid. I think you just revealed your own inner feelings here, not his.

      October 17, 2011 at 2:29 am |
  20. jmb2fly

    God is an Awesome God! Creator of Heaven and Earth! Savior, Redeemer, and Friend!

    October 17, 2011 at 1:30 am |
    • Andrew

      [citation needed]
      (Bible requires independent verification, so cite that too)

      October 17, 2011 at 1:38 am |
    • Disciple

      Spread the Good News! If the world could only feel how us Christians feel. Loved forever and forever.

      Jesus didn't come down to Earth to condemn this world. but to save it. All who believe in His holy word will be saved.

      These times are uncertain, disaster could be around the corner. Death can come at any second. Why leave it to chance?
      Jesus is waiting. Accept Him into you heart. http://www.jesus2020.com

      October 17, 2011 at 1:43 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      Hey, is that ending from the song "You are Holy"?

      If so,....way awesome song!! 🙂

      October 17, 2011 at 1:45 am |
    • fsmgroupie

      but he will burn your a$$ in hell for zillions of eons if you don't get down on your knees and beg him to forgive you -

      October 17, 2011 at 1:47 am |
    • spunkychk

      yawn... that's what you think, disciple. So why do these so called "christians" vote for liars who get this country into a war for revenge... then these so called christians justify the murder of 10's of thousands? they don't even listen to their savior's words.. they vote for people who allow hundreds of thousands of their own citizens to go without health care because they can't afford it.. and they think they are so holy and great.

      October 17, 2011 at 1:50 am |
    • RobynH

      Jesus Saves Souls.

      And Redeems Them For Valuable Cash Prizes ! ! !

      October 17, 2011 at 1:51 am |
    • tallulah13

      Robyn, I've always liked the oldie, but goodie: "Jesus saves, but Gretzky gets the rebound and scores!"

      October 17, 2011 at 2:55 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      Funny how that seems like the same thing my friends 3 years old says when she speaks of her imaginary friend...one in the same in the end.

      October 17, 2011 at 4:45 am |
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