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October 18th, 2011
10:29 AM ET

Opinion: Who does God want in the White House?

Editor's note: LZ Granderson, who writes a weekly column for CNN.com, was named Journalist of the Year by the National Lesbian and Gay Journalists Association and is a 2011 Online Journalism Award finalist for commentary. 

By LZ Granderson, CNN Contributor

Grand Rapids, Michigan (CNN) - Vote for me or burn in hell.

I can't imagine someone running for office saying that.

And yet four candidates - Michele Bachmann, Herman Cain, Rick Perry and Rick Santorum - have said they had a sense that God was leading them to run. How far can we be from "vote for me or burn in hell" when it seems we're already comfortable with "vote for me, I've been called by God"?

Read LZ Granderson's commentary
- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Herman Cain • Michele Bachmann • Opinion • Politics • Rick Perry • Rick Santorum

soundoff (386 Responses)
  1. Central Scrutinizer

    Carl Sagan is President in one of the parallell universes. He was called by Galileo.

    October 18, 2011 at 2:53 pm |
  2. J.W

    There will never be an atheist president again if there was one before.

    October 18, 2011 at 2:46 pm |
    • HellBent

      It's quite sad that one of our most well-known and influential founding fathers, Thomas Jefferson – a man who railed against religion and was an agnostic and even rewrote the New Testament to take out the hocus pocus – would be completely un-electable in today's political climate.

      October 18, 2011 at 2:50 pm |
    • Sue

      The Pilgrims and the Puti.tians would't be welcome in many churches either.

      October 18, 2011 at 3:03 pm |
  3. derp

    I want to know who bigfoot wants to be President.

    October 18, 2011 at 2:33 pm |
  4. Haley Wojcik

    Republicans, they're just so silly! 🙂

    October 18, 2011 at 2:30 pm |
    • Sue

      Silly, like the Batman character Joker maybe.

      October 18, 2011 at 3:06 pm |
  5. SATANATHAN

    Who does G-d want in the White House? There's only one way to find out! Ask a schizophrenic. They are the only ones hearing from G-d these days.

    October 18, 2011 at 1:00 pm |
    • inTheDogHouse

      Why bring up mental illness in this debate?

      October 18, 2011 at 1:07 pm |
    • hippypoet

      @inTheDogHouse

      mental illness is the only reason religion has survived.... so its always relavent.

      October 18, 2011 at 1:11 pm |
    • Questioning

      Speaking of Mental Illness, it is a delusion to think that God is leading you to run for office, especially when He's not?

      October 18, 2011 at 1:13 pm |
    • G-D

      I resemble that remark

      LOve
      GOD

      October 18, 2011 at 1:30 pm |
    • Sue

      Just 'these' days? Maybe it's always been just an imagined voice, right from the very beginning?

      October 18, 2011 at 2:19 pm |
  6. Portland tony

    These people are politicians.They will say anything, do anything and probably sell their children just to get elected. You very well know that "being the world's most powerful person " has a certain ring about it!

    October 18, 2011 at 12:44 pm |
    • Sue

      Nail on head!!!

      October 18, 2011 at 3:07 pm |
  7. 3 some

    Don Lemon is an aggressive sweaty TOP who plows Anderson Cooper and LZ Granderson!

    LOL!

    Bye! Bye!

    October 18, 2011 at 12:25 pm |
  8. hippypoet

    i think if there was a god and it stood for rightousness and justice... then the Native Americans would be in power.

    October 18, 2011 at 11:59 am |
  9. inTheDogHouse

    Is God punishing Texas with heat and draught for electing Rick Perry Governor of the state?

    October 18, 2011 at 11:44 am |
    • G-D

      John Richardson, @Adrian, "Oh right. You need an advanced degree Christianity to understand how Christian faith functions. No, YOU just can't address the criticisms and just want top swat it all away with a "they just don't understand". Perhaps if you put a little effort into understanding others, maybe just maybe you'll see that lots of people understand Christianity just fine, and that is why they reject it."

      "Lots of people understand Christianity just fine,,,,,,and that is why they 'reject it" Seems we have a spokesperson in the midst of all those who do not believe in a Supreme Being. Just exactly 'how many' is in 'lots of people' or are you just assuming lots?

      October 18, 2011 at 1:45 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @inTheDogHouse

      You asked: "Is God punishing Texas with heat and draught for electing Rick Perry Governor of the state?"

      I don't know about punish, but it sure make a good case for the fact that prayer does not work.

      Jesus speaking:

      "If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer." –Matthew 21:22 (NIV)

      "I tell you the truth, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there' and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you." –Matthew 17:20 (NIV)

      "Ask and it will be given to you.... For everyone who asks receives." –Luke 11:9-10 (NIV)

      "Again, I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything you ask for, it will be done for you by my Father in heaven." –Matthew 18:19 (NIV)

      James 5:15 – And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well; the Lord will raise them up. If they have sinned, they will be forgiven.

      Let's be honest. Don't be afraid to use critical thinking. Jesus said the above, about prayer. Is it true? Can you post back to me and claim what Jesus said is true?

      Why has there never been a doc_umented case of an amputated limb being restored? Do you think an amputee never prayed or had faith?

      Double blind experiments, have all shown that prayer has no effect on illness.

      Because people have believed the promises of the bible, they have withheld medical care for their children. They prayed instead. Evidently, god was not moved by their faith. Their children died. Modern medicine could have saved them. OOoopsie!

      Why aren't Jesus' words true? Can you think of any possibilities? If Jesus' words aren't true about prayer, then how can we depend on anything else Jesus said? Maybe if we could "test" the afterlife claims, they would be no more real than the claims about prayer.

      A fundie once told me, that god always answers prayers in one of three ways:
      1) God says, "yes". You get what you asked for immediately.
      2) God says, "to wait". You will get what you asked for at some future date.
      3) God says, "no". You will not get what you asked for.

      Hmmm.... But I can get the same success from the carton of milk I have sitting on the breakfast table.

      1) If I pray to my magic carton, some things will come true immediately, just by chance and coincidence.
      2) Some things will come true at some future date, for the same reasons.
      3) If I don't get what I want, then my magic carton said, "no".

      I think there is a problem, when there is no difference between praying to a god and praying to a milk carton.

      Having a prayer answered, appears to require only 3 things: Belief, Faith and to be totally sure, you need Others to Pray with you.

      Hmm...

      Remember the Gulf oil spill?
      Remember how a ton of people prayed for god to stop the gushing?
      I was spellbound! My daughter climbed on my lap and said: "That is what Jesus said to do. He will stop that ugly mess! We watched the real time video of the oil spill. We expected to see the Hand of Almighty god reach down and repair the rip in the earth. Jesus had promised! It did not. My daughter climbed off my lap in silence. Human technology eventually capped the well.

      Remember when Rick Perry rallied his state to pray for rain? He issued a proclamation that for 72 hours, the citizens of Texas would all pray for rain. I thought, surely god would hear their prayers and open the windows of Heaven!
      The "days of prayer" ended Sunday, April 24, 2011. Texas is still experiencing exceptional drought.

      Studies have shown prayer does not work. Any miracles or answered prayers are the result of random chance, coincidence and selective observation. Believers tend to remember the perceived positive outcome of prayers and forget the failed.

      If the drought in Texas had ended you would have seen the Evangelicals hooping and hollering, about there indeed being a god in Texas! The story would have been on every believer's tongue.

      Christians MUST contest the fact that their Jesus lied. They must rent their clothes and Shout: "Do not put the lord your god to the test!" LOL!

      God, either does not care or does not exist. Personally, I'm checking the second box. LOL.

      Cheers!

      October 18, 2011 at 1:48 pm |
    • BJP

      DJ
      One more thing the Bible did say; "Only a fool says in his heart, there is no God"!

      October 18, 2011 at 3:13 pm |
    • HellBent

      @BJP – isn't that convenient. The book says that those that don't believe the book aren't smart. This coming from a book where those that strive for knowledge and wisdom are frequently cut down.

      October 18, 2011 at 3:17 pm |
    • duh

      "One more thing the Bible did say; "Only a fool says in his heart, there is no God"!"

      LOL! Of course it did you can't have simpleton's questioning the con, otherwise you'd figure it out. LOL!

      October 18, 2011 at 3:18 pm |
    • Wondering

      BJP,

      Why do you believe the supernatural claims made in the Bible? What is your evidence that they are true?

      October 18, 2011 at 3:21 pm |
    • The Wiz

      BJP, - same thing as:

      "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. The great Oz has spoken".

      October 18, 2011 at 3:26 pm |
    • J.W

      There isnt heat and drought where I live right now.

      October 18, 2011 at 3:31 pm |
    • JF

      DJ
      One more thing the Bible did say; "Only a fool says in his heart, there is no God"!

      Yes isn't that convenient, and because it's in the Bible it has to be true right? Amazing.

      October 18, 2011 at 3:52 pm |
  10. Adrian

    Regrettably, this article and the comments are proof of why a lack of relationship with Go, based on Biblical principals, it will be impossible to understand how faith works. Their personal ambitions notwithstanding, these candidates may have very well been led by the Holy Spirit to run for office. That doesn't mean that God is scatterbrain; it means that there are people who submit to His will. Who knows what His true intent was? Just so Cain could rally more Blacks to be proud and vocal about their Republican beliefs (and God knows it's needed)? So that Rick Perry could get more exposure and land in the White House or in other opportunity that he would not have been able to do otherwise? Could it be that God wanted Michelle Bachmann to further inspire women in politics like (love it or hate) Sarah Palin has done? Rick Santorum wouldn't be the worst nominee/President ever - perhaps it is God's will that he campaign long and hard enough that his good ideas, even in a losing effort, force Obama to adapt clearer, functional strategies in government? It's easy, without having put in the time to understand the Christian faith, to knock it and its functions. What's harder though, is being in the public eye, having a dream, heeded His will, and having to defend that at every turn. If you don't want to believe in God, suit yourself, but stop knocking people who do believe as though we can't also be Presidents and businessmen and musicians.

    October 18, 2011 at 11:35 am |
    • Adrian

      *God, not Go

      October 18, 2011 at 11:41 am |
    • Adrian

      Other typos: *opportunities; *principles

      October 18, 2011 at 11:42 am |
    • Chuckles

      I'm sorry, but apart from the clearly inane idea that such a complex cosmic being as god would have bias in who should become the next republican nominee and/or president, it's one thing to have your beliefs. That's fine, you can live by your moral code that you have gained from that book if you believe its correct, it's another thing entirely to take that to the next level and say you have direct conversations with god and that he told you to do this or do that. I lose all confidence in a person who willingly says out loud that they hand over all authority and decision making to a voice in their head that they claim is god. That's a terrifying thought. I mean, would you feel the same way if a Muslim was running and said that their policy would be based on the voice of allah that they hear? What about a jew? or a hindu? You feel comfortable with it because they're listening to YOUR god so it seems fine, but for everyone who doesn't ascribe to that particular sect of that particular religion, the very notion that someone would use this as a platform seems absurd, even more so when you have 4 candidates claiming it and the height of absurdity that it actually works!

      October 18, 2011 at 11:43 am |
    • Adrian

      Jesus said: (paraphrasing) "If you don't believe me, watch my actions". There are supporting scriptures that describe the habits and behaviors of proper Christians, i.e. people who have an authentic relationship with Him. That's how one can tell who is selling hope from one who utterly lives by it. I do not understand a great deal about Islam, Hinduism, and the like, but I do know that, like Christianity, there are certain virtues clearly defined in those faiths. If a Muslim lives by virtues set forth in the Qu'Ran, then statements made can be taken at face value; likewise with any of the others. I understand your reluctance to accept that a seemingly infinite God would speak to individuals, but after actively following the instructions in the Bible for a while, it became easier to understand for me. And, years later, I understand that is not possible to grasp a concept, especially one as significant as the existence of an omnipotent God, without adhering to some instruction. I've followed many voices and many paths, and the Bible is the only one that has worked for me. It's not like God speaking to you makes you Neo from Matrix; the Bible teaches us that God deals with us according to our individual measures of faith. Some people have tons of it, and some have very little, and others have none. Some are waiting for signs, some have seen the signs and still don't believe and others think that our current existence began with exploding gases. I realize that miracle healings, walking on water and a lot of other Bible things sounds ....well, made up....but it's no more unlikely than to state that the origin of existence started with the Big Bang. I'm not saying the Big Bang didn't happen, I am saying, though, that it was described best in Genesis 1:1.

      October 18, 2011 at 12:12 pm |
    • John Richardson

      @Adrian Oh right. You need an advanced degree Christianity to understand how Christian faith functions. No, YOU just can't address the criticisms and just want top swat it all away with a "they just don't understand". Perhaps if you put a little effort into understanding others, maybe just maybe you'll see that lots of people understand Christianity just fine, and that is why they reject it.

      October 18, 2011 at 12:20 pm |
    • Adrian

      @John
      How ironic that you suggest an advanced degree is needed to understand Christianity. The issue of wisdom vs. learning came up in Bible study last night. Won't bore you with it, but the pastor essentially explained a warning issued in II Timothy about people who always seem to be in a prone position to learn, but never gain any revelation. If you actually took the time to study Christianity, you may or may not support, follow, believe it, etc. However, if you study AND follow God's law, then odds are you'd come out on top. The "advanced degree" (that I never mentioned, but you deftly alluded to) is not something you can attain in a classroom, and it's not necessarily attained in church - it's the influence of the Holy Spirit. But, alas, that's what "Chuckles" didn't like the thought of earlier. He/she believes that a God would not interact with humans like that. He does, but if you don't believe it can happen, it will not happen for you. Simple enough logic to me. My whole point sir, was just that belief in God is valid because there is a God, and that some do use it for their advantage, all the while not really believing, but there are those who truly believe, and their actions should speak volumes about the depth of their belief. No Ph. D needed, just 20/20 and a brain.

      October 18, 2011 at 12:35 pm |
    • Chuckles

      @Adrian

      Without going into too many words about the craziness that is the bible and why its a MUCH bigger pill to swallow than the big bang (for starters we can actually see the immediate after effects of a gigantic explosion, versus gensis that states the earth existed before the sun and that plants were created without any sort of photosynthesis), The main issue here isn't that these people aren't just living to what they've been taught, but they're actually following orders given to them by a voice in their head. You might not know a lot about the other religions I mentioned, but what you should know is that all religions, regardless of which one it is, holds that they are better than everyone else and so their followers should be rewarded more. That's how religion works whether you accept it or not. Because of this, when someone is following a plan that they THINK is gods will, without anyone else being able to corroborate or even prove that god exists and is have personal, telepathic meetings with these people, the very idea is terrifying that someone can make a decision and blame it on god.

      October 18, 2011 at 12:39 pm |
    • Chuckles

      @Adrian

      Posessing a brain automatically gives you understanding that you feel the need to point out to anyone who doesn't follow what you prescribe to as "not being to grasp a concept". Why do I have to accept, at any moment in my life, that there is something beyond my ability to comprehend even when I set my mind on it. Even in the case of understanding the size and scope of the universe. It's almost impossible for me to fully understand or grasp the sheer magnitude of the universe, however with analogies and comparisons I am able to understand the underlying concept. Apologists like you will always see something and if it doesn't make sense to you, if it seems outrageous and absurd, instead of fighting to change it to make more sense, you allow for the idea that god has a plan and you're too dumb to understand it. That's fool hardy in the extreme and exacerbates the problem, not fix it.

      October 18, 2011 at 12:47 pm |
    • Flappy

      Well Adrian. This is all a moot point since the rapture is on Friday. I'm not sure why you bothered to get all worked up about it.

      October 18, 2011 at 1:00 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @Adrian

      What you are saying, is that God has revealed his truths to you but not to me. You are claiming that God has given you a better understanding of the Bible than me.

      There are about 38,000 different denominations of Christianity in the world Each of these denominations have read, sought, fasted and prayed over the words they read. Each can show you scripture that backs up their interpretation(s). Each believes they are right and that god loves them best.

      The Holy Spirit certainly didn't lead the 38,000 to the same conclusions. Isn't there just one god and one bible? Hmm...

      So Adrian, why did god supply an ambiguous bible and then not have the Holy Spirit interpret the scripture the same. I would expect the same to happen, if a book like Moby Dick was being used for religious instruction.

      The reason why we can find no empirical evidence for God's existence is not because "God is a magical being completely able to hide from us." It is because God is imaginary.

      Cheers!

      October 18, 2011 at 1:01 pm |
  11. tallulah13

    How sad is it that a country that once sent men to the moon has faded into this culture where ignorance and supersti.tion are not only accepted, but encouraged? How ironic that the nations of Europe, once dominated by royalty and religion, have embraced the concept of secular, representative democracy, while America, where that notion was written into our founding doc.uments, is devolving into a feudalistic society where princes rule over peasants with the blessings of the church.

    October 18, 2011 at 11:23 am |
    • David Johnson

      Yes. When Rick Perry told a crowd of supporters (Tea Party?) of how badly he had done academically, they applauded. The division between education / science has become so great, that education and knowledge has become undesirable.

      One of the desires of the Christian Right is to not fund any science project that is not in keeping with scripture. They want religious texts that were written ~ 4000 years ago to govern modern society.

      This frightens me, more than a hundred Freddie Kruegers. My hope and dreams are that my children will grow up in a world where education, especially math and science are held in the highest regard.

      Cheers!

      October 18, 2011 at 1:16 pm |
  12. MuffinMan88

    It seems ironic that someone named "Cain" believes God called on him to run. Biblically, Cain slew Abel, becoming the first murderer and a pariah among mankind. Now, this Cain has turned against his brothers. Also, there's that 999 thing, which is 666 when turned upside-down. Coincidence? I think not.

    October 18, 2011 at 11:22 am |
    • Nonimus

      I agree. You think not.

      October 18, 2011 at 11:29 am |
    • David Johnson

      In the last 10 years or so, god has told a great number of Evangelicals to run for some office. Often they lose. In George W. Bush's case they win and are horrible at the job.

      Tell me, why do we call Him god, again?

      Cheers!

      October 18, 2011 at 1:21 pm |
  13. Chuckles

    Although I'm not ahuge fan of the slippery slope fallacy that LZ is using, this time it seems apt. How long until candidates are not just saying god is telling them to run, but that god is telling them to bash candidate X, or that god told that that candidate X is actually the anti-christ. Why are we still allowing people to refer to a voice that only they can hear as a reason to why they are running for office, of for their foreign policy, or how to fix the economy and take them seriously? At the very least shouldn't they be subjected to intense scrutiny if they lay out a plan that god helped them come up with?

    October 18, 2011 at 11:14 am |
    • Free

      Think of how many preachers who claim to know the exact time when the world will end. Do their followers stop believing in them just because they are always proven to be wrong? In politics a gullible voter base is always desireible, and they sure don't much more gullible than some of these Christians, do they?

      October 18, 2011 at 11:41 am |
  14. Madtown

    I thought God wanted $arah Palin to run. What happened there?

    October 18, 2011 at 11:02 am |
    • chrisg

      Palin lied. Just like the rest of the GOP/TP god people. When will the religious right wake up and realize that the GOP/TP is using them and their god to get votes.

      October 18, 2011 at 11:11 am |
    • Sarah Palin

      God did want me to run. He wanted me to run down to the bank with all the cash I chummed out of the yokels. He wants me to do it again and again.

      October 18, 2011 at 11:15 am |
    • seanmom

      Palin never said that God was leading her to run. She was waiting on God for that word and didn't get it. She never lied to anyone. She hasn't been called to this race. She was called to the last one. Being called to run and being called to win are not t he same thing.

      October 18, 2011 at 12:05 pm |
    • Sue

      seanmom
      And you know this how? By taking Palin on her word, just as you must all take these GOP candidates, or any pastor, or even cult leader on their word as well? How has she proven to be any more trustworthy than the average?

      October 18, 2011 at 2:33 pm |
    • fred

      Sue,
      Bill Clinton was seen as honest Abe while the media ignored the trial of scorched women. I do not see that from Sarah. Actually, thanks to a bias media they did all one could tearing her to shreds beginning with the alphabet channels. The best money could buy only showed she was not ready but little evidence of dishonesty in her. I also hate to generalize but, some abort downs kids and she did not which speaks to putting others before self.
      Like with Jesus, the Jews and the politicians tried to paint him a demon or whack job. Two thousand years latter you are hard pressed to find anything about Jesus that is not goodness with the exception of those that have a bias. Nothing ever changes.

      October 18, 2011 at 3:08 pm |
    • Peter

      "honest Abe"

      LOL! Abe wasn't as honest as people think read your history.

      October 18, 2011 at 3:16 pm |
  15. AGuest9

    You don't think there is a segment of the population that thinks this way???

    October 18, 2011 at 11:00 am |
  16. Colin

    Wow, that’s incredible! An immortal, all-knowing being, powerful enough to create the entire Universe and its billions of galaxies, about 13,700,000,000 years ago, has personal conversations (that nobody else ever hears) with a select number of Republican politicians in one of the 170 countries on one of the 200,000,000,000 planets in one of the 200,000,000,000 galaxies in “his” Universe.

    Wow, Mr. Cain and Perry must be so super-duper cosmically important! More important than Captain Kirk.

    Right-wing Israeli politicians regularly claim Yahweh wants them to win elections, politicians in the Arab World are forever claiming Allah wants them in power and right wing Indian politicians regularly invoke Brahman, Vishnu or Krishna as their cosmic supporters.

    Hmmm, maybe it has more to do with politics and the supersti.tions of the electorate than with a colorful collection of happy sky-fairies all sitting up in their respective heavens and choosing their respective candidates, like some kind of divine fan.tasy football league.

    October 18, 2011 at 10:50 am |
    • Captain Kirk

      Nobody is more important than Captain Kirk.

      October 18, 2011 at 11:12 am |
    • Scotty

      Aye Captain! 😉

      October 18, 2011 at 11:21 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Who should be in the white house?
      KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!
      I mean, Cain.

      October 18, 2011 at 11:28 am |
    • jean-luc picard

      I beg to differ.

      October 18, 2011 at 11:30 am |
    • @Doc

      LOL!

      October 18, 2011 at 11:30 am |
    • Chuckles

      Jean-Luc Picard will always be my captain.

      Make it so Number 1

      October 18, 2011 at 11:33 am |
    • seanmom

      It is incredible that God would bother Himself with us, isn't it? But he does. He cares about every hair on our heads (even yours), and He formed you in the womb with a plan and a purpose. The stunning truth of God is that the hands that placed the stars will eventually wipe the tears from your fact. The breath that began life on earth breathes into the newly repentant sinner and makes a new creation. God is leading these men and women to the plan of His purpose, not theirs. His plan requires them, for whatever time He chooses, and they are obedient. For that we should praise, not ridicule them. It's about time we have someone in the White House who actually cares what God thinks.

      October 18, 2011 at 12:09 pm |
    • seanmom

      sorry, that should be "your facE," not "your facT." Hard to see these little letters.

      October 18, 2011 at 12:12 pm |
    • Chuckles

      You are absolutely right seanmom as long as when you say god you mean, allah, or yahweh, or krishnah, or zeus,

      You did mean Zeus right? because I would feel a lot better of the lightening god had our backs.

      October 18, 2011 at 12:14 pm |
    • J.W

      I disagree Chuckles. God can make lightning and much more. He would destroy Zeus if they got into a fight.

      October 18, 2011 at 12:18 pm |
    • hippypoet

      william.. that Khannnn was great..

      chuckles – you hate'en on The captain? Capt. Kirk is the best... he is the only one that the Klingon's fear!... but i still like Jean-Luc Picard...

      besides we all know that the ALMIGHTY SUN will make th final choice, duh!

      October 18, 2011 at 12:21 pm |
    • HellBent

      If we're picking sides, I'm going with the Aztecs. Ometotchtli might not win any fights but who can doubt that a drunken rabbit god would be great to party with.

      October 18, 2011 at 12:31 pm |
    • Tallulah13

      The drunken rabbit sounds fun, but I think Ganesh might be needed here. After all, one of his jobs is removing obstacles.

      October 18, 2011 at 12:39 pm |
    • Chuckles

      @Hippy

      Jean-Luc would kick Kirk's ass in a heartbeat, sorry that's just the way it is. Kirk is alright (much better than Janeway) but Jean-Luc will forever be my captain.

      @JW, you think god could kick zeus as.s? I think not, it's your one measly god vs. not just zeus, but a pantheon of gods and goddesses. God would have no chance.

      October 18, 2011 at 12:50 pm |
    • J.W

      But God has various angels, and some are vary powerful. Some of Zeus's fellow gods may be helpful, but some would not be effective in war as well. Plus didn't Zues not get along well with some of the other gods. He had an affair with their wives.

      October 18, 2011 at 12:56 pm |
    • hippypoet

      janeway sucks... agreed. so lets see, we covered the original star trex, and the next gen, and voyager....what about deep space 9, i didn't mind that one at all... it tired to stayed true to the original minus the frued with the Klingons....

      October 18, 2011 at 1:00 pm |
    • Chuckles

      Well Zeus may have had a little friction with his wife/sister because of all the ra.ping and pillaging he did on earth and in the heavens, but they all banded together to defeat the ti.tans and they can surely do that again to defeat just one god. Plus, the angels got nothing on gods and goddesses, I mean god can't even conrol his own house, what with satan rebelling and what not. I mean, if god got into a war with the greek gods, satan would surely jump in. Sorry, but this is where monotheism completely fails, one god vs. many just doesn't bode well.

      @Hippy

      Sisko was ok, but I had issues with the deep space station just chillin by the worm hole instead of traveling around the final frontier.

      October 18, 2011 at 1:02 pm |
    • hippypoet

      and i don't think the fact of jean being able to kick kirk's ass is a needed captain type skill to have! maybe kicking spock's ass sure, but never a fellow captain. lol

      on the topic of gods in a battle royal... atlas kinda hold the world in his hand, hes got the whole world in his hands... lol, i think zues would totally win given that as leverage.

      October 18, 2011 at 1:03 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Lest we forget, Captain Kirk met God and kicked his @$$ in Star Trek V.

      October 18, 2011 at 1:06 pm |
    • J.W

      I think the followers of God would band together as well, and there would be a war between the Christians and Muslims. After that I would guess there would be 500000000 Christians left. Humans may not be effective against a god but they would at least provide God with moral support. Plus God could bring them to heaven whenever he wanted to, then they could join the fight.

      October 18, 2011 at 1:08 pm |
    • hippypoet

      no, that was just a earth salilite.... kirk met god in the one with spock's brother , they went to meet god at the center of the universe... i thought number 5 was the jorney home.. and yes i think we are all nerds now! lol

      October 18, 2011 at 1:08 pm |
    • Chuckles

      Pshhhhhh, if god brought up human fighters it would be like shooting fish in a barrel. Sorry JW, but god would be all alone up there with no one to help because he was so jealous he wouldn't let any other god butt in, which will be his undoing.

      @Doc, maybe kirk did go after god, but Jean-Luc Picard has been able to time travel, defeat the borg, his own nemisis and a planet destorying "ribbon", he will forever be the champion of the galaxy unlike kirk who died by being hit with a couple of boulders.

      October 18, 2011 at 1:12 pm |
    • J.W

      I really think though that God is more powerful than all the greek gods put together. If he sees that his angels can handle the greek gods he will let them do it just so they dont feel left out though.

      October 18, 2011 at 1:15 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @hippypoet
      5 is the where Spock's brother leads them to God.
      IV is the Voyage Home, where they have to kidnap whales from the 1980's.
      While Kirk defeated, Picard was worshipped as a God by the people of Mintaka III.

      And yes, I am an enormous nerd.

      October 18, 2011 at 1:16 pm |
    • hippypoet

      JW... the greek gods created a bunch of god like men and women as well as having lesser gods... while yours is alone, he would totally lose... get over it... and being the roman gods are based on the gods ones... i bet they would jump in and fight for the right, the greeks who value logic over your god's values... nothing by the look of the followers.

      October 18, 2011 at 1:18 pm |
    • Chuckles

      @JW I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree, Imean god was only able to muster up some plagues, the greek gods constantly battled anything that remotely annoyed them. He has no battle expertise and since he's now all "weak shall inherit the earth" like, the best he could do is try killing them with kindness.

      Doc – NERDS UNITE!

      October 18, 2011 at 1:22 pm |
    • G-D

      I knew my Son would fuddle things up,,, As it now stands, who then is left with open mindedness far away from perdition's gates to revel with soundness of mindings relavent to spiritual awakenings? Where have all the Gods hidden themsevles? Inwardly they do splurge themselves to jostle with smallminded gods whom the Gods use as fodder. Time is my keeper and I will just wait in Patience for their soon returning to be adjudicated by their righteous Acts and embittered Tribulations.

      I rule all things from the very smallest to the very largest. Nothing is my Holy Spirit which traverses everywhere that things are.

      LOve,
      GOD

      October 18, 2011 at 2:07 pm |
    • Chuckles

      Now now god, I don't remember inviting you to join this party, especially such an inarticulate version of yourself no less. Doesn't matter, I think you probably realize now that you would get your as.s handed to you if you went up against the greek/roman gods, or norse gods for that matter.

      October 18, 2011 at 2:22 pm |
    • G-D

      Chuckles, your ancient Gods, I have made their lands as your flesh-n-bones and they dwell inwardly and will no more find their way to the celestial shorelines. Only in death do they give back to ME that which they have stolen when at the dawn of enlightenment I alone did make manifest all celestial things that became MY MATERIAL BODY while the Nothingness is of MY HOLY SPIRIT. I care not among the thoughts of your feeble societies that cannot even live together in wholesomeness regards. MY LOve for this earth's celestial people is fast waning in the just and of the same ways that I did put distance between MY Sons and your people, I will again so do! Your heavenly rewards await those of sound righteousness and absolute fidelities while unrighteous Acts will be tried in ways unknown by you and your people. Be ye warned that I am a jealous G-D for of my Sons the Gods they will be avenged and judged in their solicitous actions that led your people astray and away from MY WILL!

      L0ve
      GOD

      October 18, 2011 at 3:11 pm |
    • Chuckles

      @Richard

      isn't is sacrilege to impersonate god? Especially as terribly written as that POS you call a post. In any case it doesn't matter because "god" you're all talk, the greek/roman gods put up and actually did what they said they could do, all you've done is proven to have some good sound effects and some rebellious angels, I think I'll side with the greeks on this one.

      October 18, 2011 at 3:21 pm |
    • fred

      Chuckles
      Klingon: vIt'e' naD lalDan 'e' tIv

      English:He enjoys religion praising Truth

      Chuckles note that even the Klingon recognize the value of Truth

      October 18, 2011 at 3:27 pm |
    • fred

      Chuckles
      I take it back the Klingons did not understand the words of Jesus. Jesus said love your enemy and love your neighbor as yourself.
      Klingons say: jIl moH ghajjaj jaghHomlIj. English: May your little enemy have an ugly neighbor

      October 18, 2011 at 3:33 pm |
    • Chuckles

      @fred

      Actually, from that quote it sounds like the Klingons did understand christianity pretty well huh?

      October 18, 2011 at 3:54 pm |
    • fred

      Chuckles
      Well ya gotta admit Jesus did get it right when He said "such things are impossible for man". Actually, seems the Old Testament and the New make it clear we consistantly get it wrong and go our own way.

      October 18, 2011 at 4:04 pm |
  17. Anglican

    Such a ridiculous question.

    October 18, 2011 at 10:49 am |
  18. Doc Vestibule

    French President Jacques Chirac quoted Bush as saying "Gog and Magog are at work in the Middle East. The biblical prophecies are being fulfilled. This confrontation is willed by God who wants this conflict to erase his people's enemies before a new age begins."
    Bush publically stated that he was called on by God to run for president.

    Claiming to be an instrument of the Divine seems to have worked for him, so why not another Republican candidate?

    October 18, 2011 at 10:47 am |
  19. hippypoet

    what a waste of time acticle... lets all ask questions that are completely impossible to answer...ready, set, GO!!!!

    October 18, 2011 at 10:41 am |
    • AGuest9

      Like: "Is there a god?"

      October 18, 2011 at 10:59 am |
    • David Johnson

      @AGuest9

      The Christian god is very unlikely to exist.

      As with all gods, past and present, belief and faith give them life. If we suddenly started believing in Isis again, she would leap to life, apparently answering prayers, comforting, punishing with disasters and rewarding with sunny days. Children would be sent to summer schools to learn of the goddess' wants. Groups of idiots would want her to be the head of our nation.

      All gods are very unlikely. None are any more likely than the others. Jesus was a demigod. Zeus also was reported to have had children with mortals.

      Don't you think it is sort of nasty for a god to seduce a young human girl? There she was, swinging on her swing - I'm just sayin'

      Cheers!

      October 18, 2011 at 2:13 pm |
    • TruthPrevails

      How about we just ask the FSM who should be in power?

      October 18, 2011 at 4:44 pm |
  20. c8dem8nkey

    Everyone thinks that god has a special plan for them. For me strong argument that there is no God thy cant be all special!

    October 18, 2011 at 10:38 am |
    • seanmom

      Yes, they all are. And so are you.

      October 18, 2011 at 12:10 pm |
    • HellBent

      What's god's special plan for still born babies? Or child cancer victims? Is malaria the implementation of gods special population thinning plan? Lemme guess – god works in mysterious ways.

      October 18, 2011 at 12:33 pm |
    • warmesTghosT

      I find it humorous that xians claim humility as one of their faiths tenets, while their entire belief system is amongst the most narcissistic I've ever come across.

      The audacity of the thought that the Creator of All Things, that which brought the entire cosmos into being and sparked life on who knows how many planets...knows your name and has a plan for you. How ridiculous. Oh, and he loves you unconditionally...unless you're not a xian, then you're burning in hell for eternity.

      And of course, xians feel superior because they "know" they are saved, they "know" that Jesus has accepted them unconditionally into his eternal paradise in the sky.

      Xianity is the most basic carrot-and-stick ruse I've ever seen, and I know children in gradeschool who are intelligent enough to see through it.

      October 18, 2011 at 2:02 pm |
    • Sue

      Yes, and in a way this is a lot like the stars and athletes who refer to their success as a gift from God; which is just their sly way of saying "Look at me! I'm special!"

      October 18, 2011 at 2:15 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @c8dem8nkey

      You said: "Everyone thinks that god has a special plan for them. For me strong argument that there is no God thy cant be all special!"

      The bible says god does indeed have a plan for each of us:

      "For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the LORD, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future." [Jeremiah 29:11]

      "You saw me before I was born and scheduled each day of my life before I began to breathe. Every day was recorded in your book!" [Psalm 139:16]

      I guess an aborted fetus, or a child born without a brain, or a child dying of cancer, or attacked and killed by a monster, or starved to death, or killed in a disaster... I guess they just had a really crappy plan. Praise god...I guess...

      Cheers!

      October 18, 2011 at 2:23 pm |
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