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October 22nd, 2011
11:27 AM ET

Worker says prayer break got her fired

(CNN)–A Muslim former Hertz employee says she was fired because she didn't clock out for her prayer breaks. CNN affiliate KOMO reports.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Belief • Islam

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  1. derp

    I will be renting from Hertz.

    October 24, 2011 at 3:06 pm |
  2. what

    I love me some meditation at work, 5 times or more a day.
    Lady-What is the issue with clocking out?

    October 24, 2011 at 2:50 pm |
    • P circle

      Hertz-love ya! keep up the good work.

      October 24, 2011 at 2:54 pm |
  3. Mike from CT

    Poor story. The yahoo version of this story use the same antagonistic headline also. When reading the story there was never an issue with the prayer breaks. The issue was staying on the clock during the breaks. I believe 3 of the 9 have already reached an agreement with the company.

    October 24, 2011 at 1:32 pm |
  4. JohnQuest

    I do see were this is an issue, no One person or group was targeted, It's hard to claim discrimination if everyone is treated the same. If we have any legal minds reading this, can you please brief us as to the law as applied to this case?

    October 24, 2011 at 1:22 pm |
    • Rahime

      US Labor law is; if you are a full time employee eight hours or more a day, your Employer is to provide you with TWO 10-15 minute breaks and a half hour lunch and that is; on the clock. what you do with that time is of no importance to your employer. In addition. in a eight hour day, no one prays 5 times duh? Prayer times are a specific time. now if the person is working only eight hours he or she might pray 2 times at work. maybe even 3, but more then likely that third time would be off the clock. Islamic prayer starts depending on lunar times. right now the times for prayer are: Fajr (morning prayer) 6:06am, Dhuhr (lunch time) 12:45pm, Asr (3:43pm) so in the afternoon. Magrib (before dusk) 6:09pm, Isha (late evening) 7:43pm. Now do you see where this would interfere with US labor law policy? I don't. But an employer is REQUIRED to give you these specific break times. So what really is the problem?????? This is what they are suppose to give you and pay you. if you took your lunch and the two required breaks, it should not matter what you are doing on those breaks. This to me is specific discrimination. Read your labor law. US labor law is usually posted where employees check in or clock in. if not go to the labor board for your local city. They will tell you the same.

      October 24, 2011 at 4:13 pm |
    • ThinkForYourself

      @Rahime,

      I have no idea where you're getting your information from. From the Department of Labor's website:

      "Federal law does not require lunch or coffee breaks."

      and

      "Bona fide meal periods (typically lasting at least 30 minutes), serve a different purpose than coffee or snack breaks and, thus, are not work time and are not compensable"

      Where are you getting your "facts" from?

      October 24, 2011 at 4:32 pm |
    • BG

      "How to Manipulate U.S. Labor Laws to Achieve Muslim Superiority," authored by noted Egyptian attorney Nasti Falafal Al Akart.

      October 24, 2011 at 6:07 pm |
  5. WobbleBob

    The Belief Blog staff is getting VERY lazy – no new stories in two days. I wonder if they punched out bevore they did nothing for two days.

    October 24, 2011 at 12:12 pm |
    • Elvira Gulch

      Well it's not like God suddenly showed up and they have something real to write about.

      October 24, 2011 at 12:21 pm |
    • Mark from Middle River

      Don't worry they just posted a Pope article... but it does seem sorta phoned in.

      October 24, 2011 at 2:06 pm |
  6. Doc Vestibule

    If we exempt Muslims from normal work schedules to accomodate their religious mandates, Rastafarians should be exempted from employer drug testing.

    October 24, 2011 at 11:09 am |
    • hippypoet

      oh i like where your head is doc...

      October 24, 2011 at 11:22 am |
    • J.W

      It depends on what the company policy is. If it says she has to clock out for breaks, then she has to clock out. If it says she can pray on the clock then she can. I suppose if the company policy says they can smoke whatever they want it is probably ok.

      October 24, 2011 at 12:05 pm |
    • Rahime

      Then we should also not give you the same required breaks either. What a person does on his break time is of no business to ANY ONE, BE THEM MUSLIM, JEWISH, CHRISTIAN. Remember when you allow any one to stomp on what is a basic right of yours too eventually they will also stomp on YOU!!!! READ YOUR LABOR LAW RIGHTS. They are specific. What you have the right to as an employee. GROW UP!!!

      October 24, 2011 at 4:26 pm |
    • Fookin' Prawn

      I sense that Rahime feels strongly about this issue. It could be the random capitalized words, or the deeply heartfelt 'GROW UP!!!!'. That's an oldie but a goodie. I've always found it to be successful in actually causing people to change their behavior.

      October 24, 2011 at 4:47 pm |
  7. hippypoet

    oh go fuk yourselves... your prayers are not that important to anyone but you so plan for modern life and work around your so special prayers and be done with it! just plain stupid. As the boss of my own company – this is just retarted... punch out for any time not working.... that should be common sense, but alas common sense is no longer common!

    October 24, 2011 at 9:48 am |
    • RightTurnClyde

      That's right. Even if you worked a ten hour day that leaves 14 hours to pray, go johnny, blab with friends, eat junk food, watch TV, play computer games, run errands, shop, text your mom or adjust your burlap bag. Nobody was fired for being Moslem or Catholic or Jewish or Methodist. They were fired for not working. Well hundreds want that job and are willing to work. Now she has 24 hour a day to s.c.r.e.w. o.f.f. on her own time

      October 24, 2011 at 10:41 am |
    • Interesting

      "They were fired for not working. "

      LOL! I hope companies start installing spyware on all of their computers to monitor how much people are not working at their jobs because they're surfing the web. The average worker admits to surfing the web on company time 2 hours a day. I am always amazed that people – especially christians – don't see this as stealing. The same goes for taking home office supplies – it's STEALING! People have it in their heads that they deserve these entitlements but the reality too many are just plain LAZY!

      October 24, 2011 at 11:05 am |
    • So

      "surfing the web on company time 2 hours a day."

      So basically you're saying those without sin cast the first stone? 😉

      October 24, 2011 at 11:15 am |
  8. bibbib

    It was about disciplinary, not 'bout religion matter.
    You can change to "whatever" –
    A "Smoker" former Hertz employee says she was fired because she didn't clock out for her "smoking" breaks.
    A "chocolate fans" former Hertz employee says she was fired because she didn't clock out for her "eating" breaks.

    October 24, 2011 at 7:32 am |
  9. Steve

    One person's series of prayer breaks on the clock is another person's series of smoke breaks on the clock. If there are very many that do not understand that both are similar situations and should be dealt with equally, then it's no wonder the US is going down.

    October 24, 2011 at 5:00 am |
    • RightTurnClyde

      If you are accepting money to do work then taking paid breaks is stealing (whether it is for prayer, smoke, a headache or phone calls). A long long time ago men used to work so hard that they were sweating (not any more) and they could go to a barrel and get a drink of water or relieve. Today "work" is sitting in a cubicle or swishing small packages past a scanner. Nobody actually does any work. BUT the minimum wage is $10 (for smoking and praying and wasting time). Now you wonder why the U.S. economy is gasping breath? That is why (and UNIONS are behind it as well as the Moslems and lawyers). There's your answer (not bail-out .. work .. plain and simple)

      October 24, 2011 at 10:34 am |
    • tallulah13

      Clyde, not all work is physical. I work very hard in my cubicle, using my hands and my brains and the skills I learned in school. Maybe I'm not building roads, but I am building a product which is used in my community. I share a building with other people who work hard in their cubicles. A lot of things people use, including the internet, is created or managed by people in cubicles.

      October 24, 2011 at 10:44 am |
    • You make me sad

      @Clyde,

      You do realize things have changes since the 1950's right? People sitting in their cubicals have this lovely thing called the internet (which Tallulah alluded to and you seem to have a grasp on) which makes work a lot easier to do in the seated postion. Would it make you feel better if everyone who worked in a cubical got their own treadmill so they could walk while doing work? That would sure get them to exercise again.

      October 24, 2011 at 10:51 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Clyde, that's not the case with all professional jobs. There are many that do require physical as well as mental effort.

      October 24, 2011 at 3:02 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Sorry for stating the obvious. I seem to have a propensity for doing that.

      October 24, 2011 at 4:18 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Poor herbie. Apparently it wasn't obvious to Clyde.

      Are you lonely, dear?

      October 24, 2011 at 9:56 pm |
  10. RightTurnClyde

    Oh prayer break .. what a marvelous idea: you get a job and punch in to your 8 hour WORK day (supposedly doing something VALUEABLE to earn your pay) but wait - you need coffee (to be bright eyed and bushy tailed). Oh sure it's only supposed to be 15 minutes BUT you take a half hour like everybody else. Then you have to go #1. Ten more minutes .. so now it is 3/4 of the first hour you are getting paid to work. OK so you work 15 minutes and wah-lah you take a prayer break. Avtually you take 5 prayer breaks a day and they take 1/2 hour each (it's only fair because it is your religion). So that's 2.5 hours + 45 minutes. But now it is 11:00 AM and you have been on break 3.25 of the first 4 hours of work and NOW you have to decide WHERE to get lunch. .. that takes 15 minutes (internet search) and so you work 1/2 hour. .. so that makes 45 minutes you have actually done something for your employer in the morning. SO now it is 1 PM and you come back to work and you take 2.5 hours of prayer break, half hour for coffee or soda, 15 min for #1 and so that's 3.25 hours .. so for the entire 8 hours you have been at work you actually one HAD to do 45 + 45 minutes of actual work (isn't that great??) Well it's an hour and a half. Oh well you can take Ramadan (15 days off) and your 12 paid holidays ()from MLK to Washington to Lincoln, Columbus, 4th, Memorial, Labor, TG, Christmas too (it's only fair). Now .. why are all the jobs going to china and India? Moslems work there to right? Do you suppose they work 1.5 hours a day for 8 hours pay? And get 12 paid holidays, 2 weeks vacation, 1 week sick leave, paid holy days .. retirement plan, health insurance, dental insurance, handicapped parking space, company car pool van, free flu shots, paid maternity leave, stress days off, time to call babysitters, hiring quotas, and other bene?

    October 24, 2011 at 2:40 am |
    • RightTurnClyde

      Anyone who'd object to a nice prayer policy must be a GREEDY capitalist interested ONLY in profiting on the backs of the poor. Heartless cruel and scroogie. Bah humbug

      October 24, 2011 at 2:44 am |
    • Chuckles

      You write like a seinfeld routine.

      You go on a weeklong vacation, but no one counts travel days, and you sleep for at least 8 hours a night, include showers and meal times, not to mention travel time to any destination you so choose while on your vacation, add in some bathroom times (#1 and #2 plus plus showers and other hygenic activities) and you get about 45 minutes of vacation tops.

      Clyde, clyde, clyde, You do realize that ever since there has been an employer, there is the inevitable employee who is skivving off work for one reason or another. If you really want all workers to be mindless automitons with no personal needs or desires, just clock in and do a full 8 hours of work, you should start on building some robots (which we all know will rise and enslave the human race). Which one is it going to be Clyde? Allowing people to have a couple of recharges a day and getting less than 8 full hours of work a day, or being enslaved by sentient robots?

      October 24, 2011 at 11:05 am |
    • RightTurnClyde

      Oh I dont care what employees do now or the greedy skin flint s o b that pays them .. but I have been hearing a lot of complaining about how the jobs all went to india and china and how they want to occupy wall street .. so i just think iti s a great idea to work an hour in the morning and maybe 3/4 hr in the afternoon and have the greedy capitalist pig vermin love it and be too dumb to wise up .. and then get all kinds of freebie benefits for the worker and their family .. its the onliest thing makes sense

      October 24, 2011 at 9:26 pm |
  11. Mark from Middle River

    Did I miss a post but ....did anyone notice ... that she is standing alone. I see the union but I do not see other Muslims, especially other Hertz workers who are Muslim. Either terminated or still employed.

    When most groups feel that they have been wronged they normally come out in force. According to this article she alone did not punch out.

    October 24, 2011 at 1:41 am |
    • Wow, You Little Riverers Sure Are Lazy

      There's this "Click to Play" button, and you click it, and about 7 seconds in you see Muslims protesting Hertz. That mouse click it pretty challenging, so I can see why you wouldn't do it.

      October 24, 2011 at 1:54 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      Good catch. I glossed over the protest part of the video when I first watched it.

      My bad 🙂

      October 24, 2011 at 3:44 am |
  12. Jihad Johnny

    Oh, I'm Mulsim, Oh...
    We deserve special rights, and expect you to bend to our desires. We will take our prayer breaks when we desire to, we will not cash out people who purchase pork products in the stores we cashier at, and will not give rides in our cabs to those who have dogs or have alcohol or pork in their groceries.

    Resistance is futile American piggy dogs, you will be assimilated!

    October 23, 2011 at 8:26 pm |
    • Central Scrutinizer

      Shut your mouth! Walk your bike! Go smoke your cancer sticks! Go Pray! OH, and fuk you, the rest of us have work to do. Idiots.

      October 23, 2011 at 11:10 pm |
    • TruthPrevails

      With an atti.tude like that what you deserve is a one way ticket out of the country...follow the laws or don't live within, no other way about it...sorry.

      October 23, 2011 at 11:19 pm |
    • Poe

      Y'all do know, doncha, that pal Johnny is a Christian, posing as a Muslim, in a very lame attempt at trolling?!

      October 23, 2011 at 11:23 pm |
    • Reality

      Anyone ever hear of satire??

      October 23, 2011 at 11:30 pm |
    • ItsHopeless

      Seriously guys... it's not that hard. this is called SARCASM. 😉

      October 24, 2011 at 12:18 am |
    • Answer

      It shows that real hate that all religious nuts have for each other. They want to spread it all around and cause fear.
      They want their own private wars of hate to affect every society even us – atheists! Both sides of the extremists can't wait to die for their own "righteousness" and therefore pose as the mutual enemy to discredit each other and incite their vitriol at their enemies. This is a common ploy in military strategy of defeating your enemies. Gather a supporting base for your cause and then marshal to war. I hope they f-u-c-k-i-n-g really just kill themselves off tomorrow by suicide and not involve us.

      Stupid zealots from both sides always seek out non-protected news sites for converting the sheep.

      October 24, 2011 at 1:31 am |
    • Jihad Johnny

      Nope! Nobody got it right, I'm an atheist and I'm gay. We (gays) comprise the 98% of atheist's populace. And we are the one who want to bend laws to our desire. We could marry our own kind and do the fencing as our honeymoon sport afterwards and spread AIDS as much as we desire.

      October 24, 2011 at 3:49 am |
    • Central Scrutinizer

      @stalker
      You left out, "Gimme your tots!"

      October 24, 2011 at 3:00 pm |
    • BG

      Kindly leave my tots out of this. My religious nuts, too.

      October 24, 2011 at 6:16 pm |
    • tallulah13

      I was gonna make a comment to Johnny about being a bore as a troll, but the comments about tots and nuts were so much more interesting and amusing.

      October 25, 2011 at 12:58 am |
  13. Dana in Alaska

    I would Love to be a Janitor for the Boeing co. if they move to Carolina, I'm not sure which one as I love the concept of the right to work state. Work hard and you will be Rewarded.

    October 23, 2011 at 7:15 pm |
  14. Muneef

    Correction;

    Let me just ask why not working Muslims are asked to accept that their prayer breaks be deducted and granted to those who will be covering up their work for them during their Prayers Breaks... Wouldn't that have been more just and could have made a difference ?

    October 23, 2011 at 6:41 pm |
    • Dana in Alaska

      This is America and unless this wise government or the nine self proclaimed Demi gods say different, first and foremost you must Obey our laws. They can't practice sharia law here so why should they be given exclusive rites to disrupt the flow of the American work place?

      October 23, 2011 at 7:04 pm |
    • Muneef

      No comment 🙁

      October 23, 2011 at 8:06 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Your lady friend in the story wasn't willing to allow that. She wouldn't clock out for her prayers.

      What do you say now, Muneef?

      October 23, 2011 at 9:22 pm |
    • Muneef

      Tom.

      Actually we say sister in Islam...

      Do you mean she was cought cheating not clocking out for prayers although it is applied in the system that she should..? If that was the case then she was fired for cheating and not for praying...! Then she deserve what she got for her act of cheating...! As that is wrong and no prayer would be accepted by GOD if she had carried this in her intentions when knowing was wrong...!

      October 24, 2011 at 7:48 pm |
  15. Kebos

    She should have used at least one of those prayer breaks to pray not to be fired for praying. Then allah would make sure that she was secure in her employment. Guess he wasn't listening or doesn't really care.

    October 23, 2011 at 6:39 pm |
    • Dana in Alaska

      That woman struck me as a lazy african american hustler hijacking a religion for her own benefit. It's been done.

      October 23, 2011 at 7:09 pm |
  16. Muneef

    Let me just ask why those Muslims working be asked to accept that their breaks of prayers or smoking be deducted and granted to the working person covering up the job... Would that have made any difference ?

    October 23, 2011 at 6:35 pm |
    • Answer

      The same question can be said by asking "do prayers make any difference?".

      You think they do – enough said. This fact states clearly that religion/ those who adore religion- want more rights and special privileges.

      October 23, 2011 at 6:42 pm |
    • Muneef

      Allow me to Quote;

      And those who believed and did righteous deeds will be admitted to gardens beneath which rivers flow, abiding eternally therein by permission of their Lord; and their greeting therein will be, "Peace!" (14:23).

      Have you not considered how Allah presents an example, [making] a good word like a good tree, whose root is firmly fixed and its branches [high] in the sky? (14:24).

      It produces its fruit all the time, by permission of its Lord. And Allah presents examples for the people that perhaps they will be reminded. (14:25).

      And the example of a bad word is like a bad tree, uprooted from the surface of the earth, not having any stability. (14:26).

      Allah keeps firm those who believe, with the firm word, in worldly life and in the Hereafter. And Allah sends astray the wrongdoers. And Allah does what He wills. (14:27).

      Have you not considered those who exchanged the favor of Allah for disbelief and settled their people [in] the home of ruin? (14:28).
      ----
      Unquote:

      October 23, 2011 at 6:57 pm |
    • Answer

      Go f-u-c-k Allah and see if HE cares?
      That's the difference.

      October 23, 2011 at 6:59 pm |
    • Muneef

      You will answer for that sooner or later...nothing is wasted and all in the record....

      If you are a male now you have caused your self to suffer from your manly parts...might you then remember what you've said here..!

      October 23, 2011 at 7:49 pm |
    • Reality

      Muneef, Muneef, Muneef,

      Your Three B Syndrome is making you crazier than normal. And you have the cure!!!

      October 23, 2011 at 11:34 pm |
    • Answer

      @Muneef

      The same Christian who condemns myself for being who I am and what your little words thrown in the mix amount to the same thing – NOTHING. Your f-u-c-k-e-d up Allah and the f-u-c-k-ed up Jesus can all screw themselves silly. Little words Muneef .. little words. You only wish someone ACTUALLY had power to send someone to hell and suffering.

      You use your religion as a defense shield for what you can not tolerate in real life. I pity all your sorry a-s-s-e-s for being such a nuisance in this world. Go wage your wars with the christians and kill each other quickly so i won't have to post about your sorry lives on this planet. Thanks.

      October 24, 2011 at 1:23 am |
    • B61M12

      1.6b of em? A walk in the park. No trouble. So just keep making a fuss, Muslims. We're really getting tired of you.

      October 24, 2011 at 4:26 pm |
    • Muneef

      IMPACT OF POLITICS AND SOCIAL REFORM

      The 'peace' that prevails today is the peace of fear and the peace of preparation. Ignoring the sincere advice of men of wisdom, the great nations of the world are intent upon demonstrating their destructive strength. That way lies war, not peace.

      Self-styled enlightened men started interfering with the customs and manners of people, in an effort to civilize them. The people lost their old moorings, and the reformers could not offer new, sound ones. Masses of people drifted away into chaos. How can blind men lead other blind men ? 

      ""You must first acquire the Supreme Knowledge of the Reality. Then, and then alone, can you lead another in the right path.""

      You can elevate others only if you have elevated yourself. This world can be saved only by those who have already saved themselves. A prisoner cannot liberate other prisoners. One realized sage can do more for the promotion of peace than a thousand missionaries preaching and disputing, day in and day out.
      http://www.sivanandaonline.org/public_html/?cmd=displayrightsection&section_id=1342
      ---–

      October 24, 2011 at 7:51 pm |
    • Muneef

      11 ways to have a Calm and Peaceful Mind 

      The fast pace of the modern world may put our mind in chaotic state. Information comes and goes, we must do this and do that. There are simply too many things that reside in our mind. While it may cause stress or even depression, at the very least it puts us away from a peaceful state of mind. But a peaceful mind is essential for our effectiveness. It keeps us calm no matter how the situation is, and it allows us to stay joyful during the day. At the end of the day, it makes us happier and more productive.
      So here I’d like to share 11 ways to have a “mind like water”, a state of mind so peaceful that it’s like a calm water. Pick the ones that work for you:

      http://www.lifeoptimizer.org/2007/08/30/11-sure-fire-ways-to-have-a-calm-and-peaceful-mind/

      October 24, 2011 at 7:53 pm |
    • Muneef

      THE ROLE OF RELIGION

      A Christian thinks, "There will be peace if all people embrace Christianity". A Muslim thinks, "There will be peace if all people embrace Islam". This is an erroneous notion. Why do people in the world fight ? Why do Catholics and Protestants fight ? Why do Saivites and Vaishnavites fight ? Why do brothers fight among themselves ? The heart must change. Greed and selfishness must perish. Then alone there will be peace in the world.

      People merely talk of religion. They are not interested in practicing it, in living it. If Christians lived by the Sermon On The Mount, if the Buddhists followed the Noble Eightfold Path, if the Muslims truly followed the teachings of the Prophet, and the Hindus shaped their life in accordance with the teachings of the Lord, of saints and sages, there will be peace everywhere.

      Peace, to be lasting and constructive, must be achieved through God. There can be no peace without the Lord or God. God is Peace. Root yourself in Peace or God. Now you are fit to radiate peace.

      http://www.sivanandaonline.org/public_html/?cmd=displayrightsection&section_id=1342

      October 24, 2011 at 7:58 pm |
    • BG

      Pffft.

      October 24, 2011 at 9:31 pm |
    • Reality

      Only for the those interested in a religious update:
      1. origin: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20E1EFE35540C7A8CDDAA0894DA404482

      “New Torah For Modern Minds

      Abraham, the Jewish patriarch, probably never existed. Nor did Moses. The entire Exodus story as recounted in the Bible probably never occurred. The same is true of the tumbling of the walls of Jericho. And David, far from being the fearless king who built Jerusalem into a mighty capital, was more likely a provincial leader whose reputation was later magnified to provide a rallying point for a fledgling nation.

      Such startling propositions – the product of findings by archaeologists digging in Israel and its environs over the last 25 years – have gained wide acceptance among non-Orthodox rabbis. But there has been no attempt to disseminate these ideas or to discuss them with the laity – until now.

      The United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism, which represents the 1.5 million Conservative Jews in the United States, has just issued a new Torah and commentary, the first for Conservatives in more than 60 years. Called "Etz Hayim" ("Tree of Life" in Hebrew), it offers an interpretation that incorporates the latest findings from archaeology, philology, anthropology and the study of ancient cultures. To the editors who worked on the book, it represents one of the boldest efforts ever to introduce into the religious mainstream a view of the Bible as a human rather than divine docu-ment. “

      2. Jesus was an illiterate Jewish peasant/carpenter/simple preacher man who suffered from hallucinations (or “mythicizing” from P, M, M, L and J) and who has been characterized anywhere from the Messiah from Nazareth to a mythical character from mythical Nazareth to a ma-mzer from Nazareth (Professor Bruce Chilton, in his book Rabbi Jesus). An-alyses of Jesus’ life by many contemporary NT scholars (e.g. Professors Ludemann, Crossan, Borg and Fredriksen, ) via the NT and related doc-uments have concluded that only about 30% of Jesus' sayings and ways noted in the NT were authentic. The rest being embellishments (e.g. miracles)/hallucinations made/had by the NT authors to impress various Christian, Jewish and Pagan sects.

      The 30% of the NT that is "authentic Jesus" like everything in life was borrowed/plagiarized and/or improved from those who came before. In Jesus' case, it was the ways and sayings of the Babylonians, Greeks, Persians, Egyptians, Hitt-ites, Canaanites, OT, John the Baptizer and possibly the ways and sayings of traveling Greek Cynics.

      earlychristianwritings.com/theories.html

      For added "pizzazz", Catholic theologians divided god the singularity into three persons and invented atonement as an added guilt trip for the "pew people" to go along with this trinity of overseers. By doing so, they made god the padre into god the "filicider".

      Current RCC problems:

      Pedophiliac priests, an all-male, mostly white hierarchy, atonement theology and original sin!!!!

      3., Luther, Calvin, Joe Smith, Henry VIII, Wesley, Roger Williams, the Great “Babs” et al, founders of Christian-based religions or combination religions also suffered from the belief in/hallucinations of "pretty wingie thingie" visits and "prophecies" for profits analogous to the myths of Catholicism (resurrections, apparitions, ascensions and immacu-late co-nceptions).

      Current problems:
      Adulterous preachers, pedophiliac clerics, "propheteering/ profiteering" evangelicals and atonement theology,

      3. Mohammed was an illiterate, womanizing, lust and greed-driven, warmongering, hallucinating Arab, who also had embellishing/hallucinating/plagiarizing scribal biographers who not only added "angels" and flying chariots to the koran but also a militaristic agenda to support the plundering and looting of the lands of non-believers.

      This agenda continues as shown by the ma-ssacre in Mumbai, the as-sas-sinations of Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh, the conduct of the seven Muslim doctors in the UK, the 9/11 terrorists, the 24/7 Sunni suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the 24/7 Shiite suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the Islamic bombers of the trains in the UK and Spain, the Bali crazies, the Kenya crazies, the Pakistani “koranics”, the Palestine suicide bombers/rocketeers, the Lebanese nutcases, the Taliban nut jobs, the Ft. Hood follower of the koran, and the Filipino “koranics”.

      And who funds this muck and stench of terror? The warmongering, Islamic, Shiite terror and torture theocracy of Iran aka the Third Axis of Evil and also the Sunni "Wannabees" of Saudi Arabia.

      Current crises:

      The Sunni-Shiite blood feud and the warmongering, womanizing (11 wives), hallucinating founder.

      5. Hinduism (from an online Hindu site) – "Hinduism cannot be described as an organized religion. It is not founded by any individual. Hinduism is God centered and therefore one can call Hinduism as founded by God, because the answer to the question ‘Who is behind the eternal principles and who makes them work?’ will have to be ‘Cosmic power, Divine power, God’."

      The caste/laborer system, reincarnation and cow worship/reverence are problems when saying a fair and rational God founded Hinduism."

      Current crises:

      The caste system and cow worship/reverence.

      6. Buddhism- "Buddhism began in India about 500 years before the birth of Christ. The people living at that time had become disillusioned with certain beliefs of Hinduism including the caste system, which had grown extremely complex. The number of outcasts (those who did not belong to any particular caste) was continuing to grow."

      "However, in Buddhism, like so many other religions, fanciful stories arose concerning events in the life of the founder, Siddhartha Gautama (fifth century B.C.):"

      Archaeological discoveries have proved, beyond a doubt, his historical character, but apart from the legends we know very little about the circu-mstances of his life. e.g. Buddha by one legend was supposedly talking when he came out of his mother's womb.

      Bottom line: There are many good ways of living but be aware of the hallucinations, embellishments, lies, and myths surrounding the founders and foundations of said rules of life.

      Then, apply the Five F rule: "First Find the Flaws, then Fix the Foundations". And finally there will be religious peace and religious awareness in the world!!!!!

      October 24, 2011 at 11:33 pm |
  17. Dana in Alaska

    The Unions and the hidden costs doing business in this country makes it prohibitive to stay. It's no wonder all the majors are gone. I will never take a job if there is a union involved as I know I'll make allot more money on merit than I ever would with a parasite Union doing my talking.

    October 23, 2011 at 6:22 pm |
  18. Dana in Alaska

    I have never been allowed as a smoker to ever go and smoke when I wanted. I had as everyone else had, wait until break. Just another reason to break the unions, And one meor reason to hate Muslims.

    October 23, 2011 at 6:09 pm |
  19. Central Scrutinizer

    Can the smokers and the muslims all go on break together, and then we will lock the doors so they can't back in? Then the rest of us can get some work done?

    October 23, 2011 at 5:36 pm |
    • Al

      Add the Facebook, Twitter and other social media addicts to that list. 10 minutes a couple of times during the work day is just a drop in the bucket compared to the time wasted by many American workers.

      October 23, 2011 at 11:28 pm |
    • John Richardson

      And yet American workers regularly score as the most productive in the world! Kinda scary, huh?

      October 24, 2011 at 6:38 am |
    • Al

      John Richardson
      That's not really a true measure of harder work as American products happen to be worth a lot more than the products that Asian workers produce in their vastly longer work year.

      October 24, 2011 at 11:44 pm |
  20. Portland tony

    Did her employment contact specifically state her lunch period and the number break times? Plus she could have transferred to a another work site. Maybe Cairo or Istanbul. They solved the call to prayer problem years ago.

    October 23, 2011 at 3:06 pm |
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