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October 22nd, 2011
11:27 AM ET

Worker says prayer break got her fired

(CNN)–A Muslim former Hertz employee says she was fired because she didn't clock out for her prayer breaks. CNN affiliate KOMO reports.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Belief • Islam

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  1. Al

    Not clocking out for break is classified as theft. Doesn't matter if it was a lunch break, bathroom break, or prayer break. You were not working during those hours. You should not be paid for those hours.

    October 27, 2011 at 10:45 am |
    • Muneef

      Al.
      You are wiser of all with your simple logic and reason... A theft is a theft never matter whether was to feed one's self or one's God...so whether it was before or after the circular since this is the just and fair for both employees and employers, it is not right to steal paid times (Minutes or hours or days)..! Although many will steal it sitting down on their desks making private calls,chats,browse...and some by off/on line games...playing cards..
      We have a saying goes as " If I am a Prince and you are a Prince, then who will lead drive the donkeys?". I meant to say by that..."If all humans are hooked on the Internet what ever was their addiction to on/off line... Then we are no longer live in our real world but rather a world of our own with imaginary friends such as we have here in this religion blogs throwing our breaths of time for nothing concrete that would reward us during life and after life... I just pray to GOD the merciful to make my efforts no waste and be rewardable in my life and after life...or guide me to the best of that.Amen.

      October 27, 2011 at 7:03 pm |
  2. Muneef

    Meanings of the word 'FITNAH' in the Qur’aan and Sunnah:
    by Muslim Ummah Awakeners-( M U A)- on Thursday, October 13, 2011 at 4:31am
    http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=249234381793772
    ----
    THE HYPOCRITE 
    ACCORDING TO THE QUR'AN
    THEY CAUSE FITNAH (TRIBULATION)

    http://www.harunyahya.com/books/faith/hypocrite/hypocrite5.php
    --
    The act of Corruption and corruptors 
    http://www.searchtruth.com/search.php?keyword=corrupt&translator=5&search=1

    October 26, 2011 at 7:25 pm |
    • Reality

      Some examples of hypocritical, corrupt, terror-driven Islam:

      The Muslim Conquest of India – 11th to 18th century

      ■"The likely death toll is somewhere between 2 million and 80 million. The geometric mean of those two limits is 12.7 million. "

      and the 19 million killed in the Mideast Slave Trade 7C-19C by Muslims.

      and more recently

      1a) 179 killed in Mumbai/Bombay, 290 injured

      1b) Assassination of Benazir Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh

      2) 9/11, 3000 mostly US citizens, 1000’s injured

      3) The 24/7 Sunni-Shiite centuries-old blood feud currently being carried out in Iraq, US troops killed in action, 3,480 and 928 in non combat roles. 102,522 – 112,049 Iraqi civilians killed as of 9/16/2011/, mostly due to suicide bombers, land mines and bombs of various types, http://www.iraqbodycount.org/ and http://www.defenselink.mil/news/casualty.pdf

      4) Kenya- In Nairobi, about 212 people were killed and an estimated 4000 injured; in Dar es Salaam, the attack killed at least 11 and wounded 85.[2]

      5) Bali-in 2002-killing 202 people, 164 of whom were foreign nationals, and 38 Indonesian citizens. A further 209 people were injured.

      6) Bali in 2005- Twenty people were killed, and 129 people were injured by three bombers who killed themselves in the attacks.

      7) Spain in 2004- killing 191 people and wounding 2,050.

      8. UK in 2005- The bombings killed 52 commuters and the four radical Islamic suicide bombers, injured 700.

      9) The execution of an eloping couple in Afghanistan on 04/15/2009 by the Taliban.

      10) – Afghanistan: US troops 1,385 killed in action, 273 killed in non-combat situations as of 09/15/2011. Over 40,000 Afghan civilians killed due to the dark-age, koranic-driven Taliban acts of horror

      11) The killing of 13 citizen soldiers at Ft. Hood by a follower of the koran.

      12) 38 Russian citizens killed on March 29, 2010 by Muslim women suicide bombers.

      13) The May 28, 2010 attack on a Islamic religious minority in Pakistan, which have left 98 dead,

      14) Lockerbie is known internationally as the site where, on 21 December 1988, the wreckage of Pan Am Flight 103 crashed as a result of a terrorist bomb. In the United Kingdom the event is referred to as the Lockerbie disaster, the Lockerbie bombing, or simply Lockerbie. Eleven townspeople were killed in Sherwood Crescent, where the plane's wings and fuel tanks plummeted in a fiery explosion, destroying several houses and leaving a huge crater, with debris causing damage to a number of buildings nearby. The 270 fatalities (259 on the plane, 11 in Lockerbie) were citizens of 21 nations.

      15 The daily suicide and/or roadside and/or mosque bombings in the terror world of Islam.

      16) Bombs sent from Yemen by followers of the koran which fortunately were discovered before the bombs were detonated.

      17) The killing of 58 Christians in a Catholic church in one of the latest acts of horror and terror in Iraq.

      18) Moscow airport suicide bombing: 35 dead, 130 injured. January 25, 2011.

      19) A Pakistani minister, who had said he was getting death threats because of his stance against the country's controversial blasphemy law, was shot and killed Wednesday, 3/2/2011

      20) two American troops killed in Germany by a recently radicalized Muslim, 3/3/2011

      21) the kidnapping and apparent killing of a follower of Zoraster in the dark world of Islamic Pakistan.

      22) Shariatpur, Bangladesh (CNN 3/30/2011) - Hena Akhter's last words to her mother proclaimed her innocence. But it was too late to save the 14-year-old girl. Her fellow villagers in Bangladesh's Shariatpur district had already passed harsh judgment on her. Guilty, they said, of having an affair with a married man. The imam from the local mosque ordered the fatwa, or religious ruling, and the punishment: 101 lashes delivered swiftly, deliberately in public. Hena dropped after 70 and died a week later.

      23) "October 4, 2011, 100 die as a truck loaded with drums of fuel exploded Tuesday at the gate of compound housing several government ministries on a busy Mogadishu street. It was the deadliest single bombing carried out by the al Qaeda-linked al-Shabab group in Somalia since their insurgency began. "

      October 26, 2011 at 11:57 pm |
    • Muneef

      Mankind with as little science he got to get to the first heaven surrounding earth and already he claims God does not exist...the heavens are seven heavens and we have not got half the way and already rejecting the existance ....!?

      And your god is one God. There is no deity [worthy of worship] except Him, the Entirely Merciful, the Especially Merciful. 2:163

      Indeed, in the creation of the heavens and earth, and the alternation of the night and the day, and the [great] ships which sail through the sea with that which benefits people, and what Allah has sent down from the heavens of rain, giving life thereby to the earth after its lifelessness and dispersing therein every [kind of] moving creature, and [His] directing of the winds and the clouds controlled between the heaven and the earth are signs for a people who use reason. 2:164

      ----–

      It is Allah who has created seven heavens and of the earth, the like of them. [His] command descends among them so you may know that Allah is over all things competent and that Allah has encompassed all things in knowledge. 65:12
      -----
      Our Lord, indeed we have heard a caller calling to faith, [saying], 'Believe in your Lord,' and we have believed. Our Lord, so forgive us our sins and remove from us our misdeeds and cause us to die with the righteous. 3:193

      Our Lord, and grant us what You promised us through Your messengers and do not disgrace us on the Day of Resurrection. Indeed, You do not fail in [Your] promise." 3:194

      -----

      And Noah said, "My Lord, do not leave upon the earth from among the disbelievers an inhabitant. 71:26

      Indeed, if You leave them, they will mislead Your servants and not beget except [every] wicked one and [confirmed] disbeliever. 71:27

      My Lord, forgive me and my parents and whoever enters my house a believer and the believing men and believing women. And do not increase the wrongdoers except in destruction." 71:28

      October 27, 2011 at 8:03 pm |
  3. John

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwGZGFdTPQg

    October 26, 2011 at 6:44 pm |
    • .....

      TROLL ALERT – don't bother viewing this garbage, click the report abuse link instead!

      October 26, 2011 at 6:59 pm |
  4. billy

    Totally agree with everyone, fire her, SHE is the problem, not the employer.

    October 26, 2011 at 2:54 pm |
  5. Amina123

    I am Muslim, and I agree with Hertz: If the policy said that they had to begin clocking out to go on any breaks, then so be it. That is the rule, and if you want the job then you have to abide by that. I have to make up my afternoon prayer because I have no where to offer it where I work. At my old job I did, and it was fine, and none of my supervisors had a problem with me taking a few minutes of the day to offer my prayer. Until I either find another job that allows me to time to offer prayers, then I will just have to make up the missed one when I get home. Allah (swt) is oft-forgiving and most merciful.

    October 26, 2011 at 2:50 pm |
  6. none

    Fire her! Paid to work, not pray.

    October 26, 2011 at 2:11 pm |
    • yep

      yep.

      October 26, 2011 at 2:35 pm |
    • Sean

      Agreed

      October 27, 2011 at 5:41 pm |
  7. Skydiver

    Oh boo hoo cry me a river.
    Your employer doesn't pay you to pray, they pay you to work.
    You didn't clock out for your personal time as you know you must too bad.
    Now you're trying to find sympathy, for you breaking the rules. Like they shouldn't apply to you for some reason. Time to fire up the ol resueme and remember to clock the efF out next time.

    October 26, 2011 at 12:37 pm |
  8. Person

    Speaking as an atheist, this is the real world lady. You work a real job. If any person of any other religion tries to pull the same thing, they should also be fired. This is REALITY. You can think on your own time. Heck, what stopped you from thinking? You can't think while you work? Ok, I'm going to stop before I go on a tangent.

    October 26, 2011 at 11:57 am |
  9. EgoSumLamia

    Stupid. I am all for freedom of Religion, I am Pagan. But expecting to be paid, to stop work 5 times a day, to pray is ridiculous. If Hertz agreed to that then they are stupid. You get what you pay for, should have hired Americans.

    October 25, 2011 at 3:58 pm |
    • Mark from Middle River

      While I agree with you that everyone should have to clock out ..... You said

      >>>"You get what you pay for, should have hired Americans."

      I know a few Muslims that were not only born here, their lineage goes back Islamic and American. Being American does not mean you can not be a Muslim as well.

      October 25, 2011 at 5:29 pm |
    • Guy Kelley

      What dose being "Pagan have any thing to do with breaks or prayers ? If you want to pray 5 times a day fine =, no problem !!! I don't care. Just do it on your own dime ! Why should any company be expected to pay an employees praying time ? You get two breaks a day and one meal time. Breaks = 10 min each and meal = 1/2 hr min period, no clock out needed for break times. observe 10 min break time. not 11 or 12 min, back at your work station in 10 min not 11 or 12. if you abuse you are history. Same for meal ! The people who want Hertz to roll over to there demands. Good buy, good riddance, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. No way can you give them any more or less. If you do they will be telling you soon how to run your company so it pleases them !!!!!

      October 26, 2011 at 12:11 pm |
    • Sean

      “What dose being "Pagan have any thing to do with breaks or prayers”

      It doesn’t and his/her statement doesn’t imply otherwise. It was clearly pointed as the commenter is also religious (as in not an atheist) and also not commenting out of a historical bias (such as a Christian would and often does). A little critical thinking would do you wonders.

      October 27, 2011 at 5:45 pm |
  10. derp

    Bigfoot loves everyone. Obey the sasquatch book or be cast into the frozen eternal hell of Atlantis.

    October 25, 2011 at 11:32 am |
    • Hairy Larry, The God With The Hirsute Bod

      I am Bigfoot's god, so cut out the middle man and obey me!

      October 25, 2011 at 1:34 pm |
  11. RightTurnClyde

    You liberals are your own worst enemy. Like Wynn said: there will be no jobs so long as liberals destroy companies. Even Steve Jobs said that (and he is liberal like Wynn). This "recession" will be worse next year and even worse in 2013 .. and even worse in 2014. More and more companies will close and you unemployed liberals will be living in tents. It's simple arithmetic.

    October 25, 2011 at 11:15 am |
    • Liberals suck. Conservatives suck worse.

      Yes, the Bush recession has been hard, and the conservatives have so desperately wanted it to get worse. They can't get elected on their ideas – they have none. They can only get their by chumming fear and hate.

      Conservatives WANT America to fail so that they can get power – even though most conservative voters suffer in that scenarion. That's the weird thing: most conservatives are aggressively supporting an approach that does not personally benefit them.

      October 25, 2011 at 12:00 pm |
    • dg

      This is what astounds me.. that so many conservatives support policies and candidates that will not benefit them and will actually cost them more in the long run. They are also ignorant and don't realize the difficulties of unemployment, no jobs available, the future of possibly retiring slipping away, an ever decreasing paycheck and loss of benefits while execs and stockholders continue to make money and the ever increasing gap between the haves and have nots gets larger and larger.

      October 25, 2011 at 12:59 pm |
  12. Muneef

    Registered trade mark at CNN beware or you will be sued....

    October 25, 2011 at 9:52 am |
    • Muneef

       11 ways to have a Calm and Peaceful Mind 

      The fast pace of the modern world may put our mind in chaotic state. Information comes and goes, we must do this and do that. There are simply too many things that reside in our mind. While it may cause stress or even depression, at the very least it puts us away from a peaceful state of mind. But a peaceful mind is essential for our effectiveness. It keeps us calm no matter how the situation is, and it allows us to stay joyful during the day. At the end of the day, it makes us happier and more productive.
      So here I’d like to share 11 ways to have a “mind like water”, a state of mind so peaceful that it’s like a calm water. Pick the ones that work for you:

      http://www.lifeoptimizer.org/2007/08/30/11-sure-fire-ways-to-have-a-calm-and-peaceful-mind/

      October 25, 2011 at 9:54 am |
  13. Reality

    From p. 1 and only for our sister and brother Muslims:

    How she can get her job back in less than two minutes or how to prevent it from happening again:

    The Five Steps To Deprogram 1400 Years of Islamic Myths:
    ( –The Steps take less than two minutes to finish- simply amazing, two minutes to bring peace and rationality to over one billion lost souls- Priceless!!!)

    Are you ready?

    Using "The 77 Branches of Islamic "faith" a collection compiled by Imam Bayhaqi as a starting point. In it, he explains the essential virtues that reflect true "faith" (iman) through related Qur’anic verses and Prophetic sayings." i.e. a nice summary of the Koran and Islamic beliefs.

    The First Five of the 77 Branches:

    "1. Belief in Allah"

    aka as God, Yahweh, Zeus, Jehovah, Mother Nature, etc. should be added to your cleansing neurons.

    "2. To believe that everything other than Allah was non-existent. Thereafter, Allah Most High created these things and subsequently they came into existence."

    Evolution and the Big Bang or the "Gi-b G-nab" (when the universe starts to recycle) are more plausible and the "akas" for Allah should be included if you continue to be a "crea-tionist".

    "3. To believe in the existence of angels."

    A major item for neuron cleansing. Angels/de-vils are the mythical creations of ancient civilizations, e.g. Hitt-ites, to explain/define natural events, contacts with their gods, big birds, sudden winds, protectors during the dark nights, etc. No "pretty/ug-ly wingy thingies" ever visited or talked to Mohammed, Jesus, Mary or Joseph or Joe Smith. Today we would classify angels as f–airies and "tin–ker be-lls". Modern de-vils are classified as the de-mons of the de-mented.

    "4. To believe that all the heavenly books that were sent to the different prophets are true. However, apart from the Quran, all other books are not valid anymore."

    Another major item to delete. There are no books written in the spirit state of Heaven (if there is one) just as there are no angels to write/publish/distribute them. The Koran, OT, NT etc. are simply books written by humans for humans.

    Prophets were invented by ancient scribes typically to keep the un-educated masses in line. Today we call them for-tune tellers.

    Prophecies are also invali-dated by the natural/God/Allah gifts of Free Will and Future.

    "5. To believe that all the prophets are true. However, we are commanded to follow the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) alone."

    Mohammed spent thirty days "fasting" (the Ramadan legend) in a hot cave before his first contact with Allah aka God etc. via a "pretty wingy thingy". Common sense demands a neuron deletion of #5. #5 is also the major source of Islamic vi-olence i.e. turning Mohammed's "fast, hunger-driven" hallu-cinations into horrible reality for unbelievers.

    Walk these Five Steps and we guarantee a complete recovery from your Islamic ways!!!!

    Unfortunately, there are not many Muslim commentators/readers on this blog so the "two-minute" cure is not getting to those who need it. If you have a Muslim friend, send him a copy and help save the world.

    Analogous steps are available at your request for deprogramming the myths of Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism and Paganism..

    October 25, 2011 at 8:43 am |
  14. tallulah13

    Reading these comments, I have one thought:

    Don't you think Dana and Clyde would make a cute couple?

    October 25, 2011 at 1:00 am |
  15. rick h

    Sorry , haven't spent time in Muslim oriented countries.

    October 24, 2011 at 11:50 pm |
  16. Samatha

    To me, this is more about a company disregarding their contract with the workers. The religion aspect just sensationalizes things and keeps people from focusing on the bigger picture of a company's noncompliance with what they originally agreed upon.

    October 24, 2011 at 10:50 pm |
  17. RightTurnClyde

    The Protestant work ethic is based upon the notion of the necessity for hard work as a component of worldly success. Hard work and frugality were thought to be two important consequences of being American Protestants were attracted to these qualities, not Moslems and not Jews nor atheists either. To them a good scam can get you a bigger house and a better address. That is why we have RICO. Think about it.

    October 24, 2011 at 9:44 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      I have. You're full of crap.

      October 24, 2011 at 9:55 pm |
    • RightTurnClyde

      Did you really think about RICO? What did you think about RICO? Do you like it? Why or why not?

      October 25, 2011 at 12:45 am |
    • derp

      Can you explain why it is that statistically per capita, Jews and Atheists are better educated, make more money, and enjoy a far higher standard of living than protestants.

      October 25, 2011 at 11:21 am |
  18. BG

    The Red is brackish and the Richelieu is considered part of the Great Lakes aquifer territory subject to the Boundary Waters Agreement of 1909, the Niagara River Water Diversionary Treaty and the US/Canadian Great Lakes Water Agreement of 2005.

    Unless -you- want to give us the authority to just take what we need. We'll tell 'em that the 'Ace said it was ok. I guess we could use a copy of your 'ok' from this message board... Sure. That'll "hold water" with the Canadian government. We know that it wouldn't take much to convince them. We'll just build Ontario a new stadium or something... after all, who doesn't like a new stadium?

    And your oil sands? Forget 'em. We're going to make the Dakotas look like a pincushion in a few years.

    October 24, 2011 at 6:48 pm |
    • BG

      Don't try to make sense of this.. It was mis-posted. Apols.

      October 24, 2011 at 6:55 pm |
    • My hovercraft is full of eels

      Don't worry a bit. We long ago gave up on trying to make sense of anything you say.

      October 24, 2011 at 11:46 pm |
  19. Sherri

    She should do it on her own time, just like everyone else. I don't want to pay for her to pray to her god who tells her to kill all non-Muslims. She can do it on her lunch hour or her breaks. Why does she need to stop work to do it? And also, she can do it silently at any time she wants. Muslims need to quit asking for special treatment. If they want to live in the U.S. they need to act like Americans. Quit asking for special treatment. And besides, what special treatment do they give to non Muslims living in Muslim countries?Ever looked into that? I know what they do. They burn all the churches and kill them. Do your research.

    October 24, 2011 at 6:37 pm |
    • Diva

      Sherri, do you know ANYTHING about Islam? If not I suggest you read up on it instead of making ignorant non-factual comments. I hope you aren't a Christian because if you are you are giving us a bad name..

      October 24, 2011 at 6:48 pm |
    • Bearer Of Bad News

      Diva, you aren't making any sense. The koran does instruct muslims to kill. Something tells me you've never done any actual research. Were you aware that the koran gives instruction to men to beat their wives if they are disobedient? Look it up. I suggest you do some research before you accuse someone of not knowing what they're talking about. Your opinion is incorrect.

      October 24, 2011 at 8:13 pm |
    • RightTurnClyde

      GOV’T AGENT: “I need a list of your employees and how much you pay them.”
      RANCHER: ”Well, there’s my hired hand who’s been with me for 3 years. I pay him $200 a week plus free room and board.

      Then there’s the mentally challenged guy. He works about 18 hours every day and does about 90% of all the work around here.
      He makes about $10 per week, pays his own room and board, and I buy him a bottle of bourbon every Saturday night so he can cope with life.
      He also sleeps with my wife occasionally.”

      GOV’T AGENT: “That’s the guy I want to talk to – the mentally challenged one.” RANCHER: “That would be me.”

      October 24, 2011 at 9:32 pm |
    • rick h

      Well, it is clear that those railing against Islam and the behaviors of Muslims, in general,
      1. Have forgotten about the Crusades (thank you Pope Urban II, among others) and those that were slaughtered on the way to Isreal,
      2. you really have spent any time in Muslim countries of Central Asia and the Mediterranean.

      Ignorance abounds.

      October 24, 2011 at 11:49 pm |
    • Patti

      I agree she should pray on her lunch breaks. Yet being islamic she has to "make prayer" five times a day. On Friday she needs to observe Jumah. If she wants to pray let her but make her do it off the clock. Christians pray in their heads or wait until they are away from work. She has a right to practice her religion but if it interferes with her job maybe she should find another job. May people do not understand much about the Islamic religion. If you place a Koran on the floor you are interfering with the islamic civil rights. Take a Bible do what you want to it and oh well its just another book.

      October 25, 2011 at 1:47 am |
    • CEW

      Special treatment? Like the Christians who complain about prayer being removed from the schools?

      October 26, 2011 at 10:19 am |
  20. Irma Robinson

    WHAT AMERICANS DON'T REALIZE IS THIS, MUSLIM'S RELIGION IS A PART OF THEIR DNA. IT'S AS NORMAL AS BREATHING AND JUST AS NECESSARY. AND SINCE THEY ARE HERE IN (THE LAND OF OPPORTUNITY) THAT IS A FACT OF LIFE AS WELL. THE PRISONS MAKE PROVISIONS FOR INMAES THAT ARE INDIANS SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO CUT THEIR HAIR BECAUSE OF THEIR BELEIFS, WHY CAN'T EMPLOYERS DO THE SAME FOR PEOPLE TRYING TO MAKE AN HONEST LIVING??? WAKE UP AMERICA...THINGS ARE AND WILL GET WORSE IF YOU DON'T STOP BEING SO SELF-CENTERED AND UNFAIR AND POLITICALLY CORRECT AND WRONG AS ALL GET OUT!!!!!! PEACE!!

    October 24, 2011 at 5:08 pm |
    • BG

      Ever consider a career track as a union representative, Irma?

      October 24, 2011 at 5:52 pm |
    • Sherri

      Irma, using all capital letters, in email, or on line is considered screaming. We do not appreciate being screamed at by you.

      October 24, 2011 at 6:37 pm |
    • Bearer Of Bad News

      I don't breathe islam. Prayer breaks don't go on my time card. Everyone is self-centered. Otherwise, why would anyone ever bother to do anything at all? Common sense much? Probably not. DNA has nothing to do with religion.

      October 24, 2011 at 8:10 pm |
    • none

      Paid to work, not pray.

      Stop screaming if you want to be taken seriously (no caps).

      October 26, 2011 at 2:14 pm |
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