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Vatican calls for new global financial authority amid economic crisis
The new Vatican document cites Pope Benedict XVI's calls for putting ethical concerns over economic ones.
October 24th, 2011
01:35 PM ET

Vatican calls for new global financial authority amid economic crisis

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

(CNN) - Against the backdrop of the European debt crisis and the birth of the Occupy Wall Street movement, the Vatican on Monday called for a new “global public authority” to help reform the world’s finance and economic systems.

New ideologies are “reducing the common good to economic, financial and technical questions, (placing) the future of democratic institutions themselves at risk," said Roman Catholic Bishop Mario Toso at a Monday press conference.

The document, called "Towards reforming the international financial and monetary systems in the context of a global public authority" quotes former Pope John Paul II in bemoaning the “idolatry of the market.”

The document calls for a new global economic authority that could impose penalties on member states as “way of ensuring that they possess efficient markets,” Toso said.

Some progressives embraced the Vatican’s call, arguing that it sounded many of the same themes as the Occupy Wall Street movement.

Thomas Reese, an influential priest at Georgetown University’s Woodstock Theological Center, wrote in anticipation of the document’s release that it is “closer to views of the Occupy Wall Street movement than anyone in the U.S. Congress.”

“Not only will it be to the left of Barack Obama,” Reese wrote before the document’s release, “it will be to the left of Nancy Pelosi.”

Faith in Public Life, a progressive Washington-based group, applauded the document, calling it “a timely challenge to conservative political leaders eager to carve up the Dodd-Frank Wall Street reform law passed last year.”

The document is “far to the left of almost any politician in the United States (short of Rep. Bernie Sanders) and should also give pause to Democrats whose fundraising coffers spill over with contributions from a financial sector that has been allowed to run amok over the past three decades,” Faith in Public Life said in a statement.

Some conservatives pushed back on claims that the Vatican document aligns with the aims of Occupy Wall Street.

“There has been much hyperventilation from some quarters over the release of this document,” Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights President Bill Donohue said. “All of it is unwarranted.”

“Those who are comparing this text to the demands of the ‘Occupy Wall Street’ crowd should first detail what exactly it is the urban campers want,” Donohue said in a statement.

Pope Benedict XVI has been following issues related to finance and global economy “with particular concern,” Roman Catholic Cardinal Peter Kodwo Appiah Turkson said on Monday.

The document was timed to help influence next week’s meeting of G20 nations, a group that comprises the countries with the world’s largest economies, Vatican officials said. It was released by the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace.

The document echoes Benedict’s earlier pronouncements on the global economy, including a 2009 encyclical, or papal letter.

“Today's international economic scene, marked by grave deviations and failures, requires a profoundly new way of understanding business enterprise," Benedict said in the letter, called "Charity in Truth."

"Financiers must rediscover the genuinely ethical foundation of their activity, so as not to abuse the sophisticated instruments which can serve to betray the interests of savers," Benedict wrote, calling for “an ethics which is people-centered.”

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Belief • Catholic Church • Money & Faith • Pope Benedict XVI

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  1. Reality

    Christian Economics/Greed 101:- a synopsis

    (Some of the references used:

    o 1. Historical Jesus Theories, earlychristianwritings.com/theories.htm – the names of many of the contemporary historical Jesus scholars and the ti-tles of their over 100 books on the subject.

    2. Early Christian Writings, earlychristianwritings.com/
    – a list of early Christian doc-uments to include the year of publication–

    3. Historical Jesus Studies, faithfutures.org/HJstudies.html,
    – "an extensive and constantly expanding literature on historical research into the person and cultural context of Jesus of Nazareth"

    4. Jesus Database, faithfutures.org/JDB/intro.html–"The JESUS DATABASE is an online annotated inventory of the traditions concerning the life and teachings of Jesus that have survived from the first three centuries of the Common Era. It includes both canonical and extra-canonical materials, and is not limited to the traditions found within the Christian New Testament."

    5. Josephus on Jesus mtio.com/articles/bissar24.htm

    6. The Jesus Seminar, mystae.com/restricted/reflections/messiah/seminar.html#Criteria

    7. Writing the New Testament- mystae.com/restricted/reflections/messiah/testament.html

    8. Health and Healing in the Land of Israel By Joe Zias
    joezias.com/HealthHealingLandIsrael.htm

    9. Economics in First Century Palestine, K.C. Hanson and D. E. Oakman, Palestine in the Time of Jesus, Fortress Press, 1998.)

    The Baptizer drew crowds and charged for the "dunking". The historical Jesus saw a good thing and continued dunking and preaching the good word but added "healing" as an added charge to include free room and board. Sure was better than being a poor peasant but he got a bit too zealous and they nailed him to a tree. But still no greed there.

    Paul picked up the money scent on the road to Damascus. He added some letters and a prophecy of the imminent second coming for a fee for salvation and "Gentilized" the good word to the "big buck" world. i.e. Paul was the first media evangelist!!! And he and the other Apostles forgot to pay their Roman taxes and the legendary actions by the Romans made them martyrs for future greed. Paul was guilty of minor greed?

    Along comes Constantine. He saw the growing rich Christian community and recognized a new tax base so he set them "free". Major greed on his part!!

    The Holy Roman "Empirers"/Popes/Kings/Queens/Evangelicals et al continued the money grab selling access to JC and heaven resulting in some of today's richest organizations on the globe i.e. the Christian churches (including the Mormon Church) and related aristocracies. Obvious greed!!!

    An added note: As per R.B. Stewart in his introduction to the recent book, The Resurrection of Jesus, Crossan and Wright in Dialogue, ( Professors Crossan and Wright are On Faith panelists).

    "Reimarus (1774-1778) posits that Jesus became sidetracked by embracing a political position, sought to force God's hand and that he died alone deserted by his disciples. What began as a call for repentance ended up as a misguided attempt to usher in the earthly political kingdom of God. After Jesus' failure and death, his disciples stole his body and declared his resurrection in order to maintain their financial security and ensure themselves some standing."

    Some of Paul's money gathering activities some of which resulted in buying the Gentile entry into the then mostly Jewish version of Christianity:

    Paul claimed almost total independence from the "mother church" in Jerusalem.[12] and yet was eager and diligent to bring material support from the various budding Gentile churches that he planted to the mother church at Jerusalem.

    When a famine occurred in Judea, around 45–46,[24] Paul and Barnabas journeyed to Jerusalem to deliver financial support from the Antioch community.[25] According to Acts, Antioch had become an alternative center for Christians following the dispersion of the believers after the death of Stephen. It was in Antioch that the followers of Jesus were first called "Christians."[Ac. 11:26]. This act basically "greased" the entry of non-circu-mcised Gentiles into Christianity.

    "Paul collected the money from his four provinces, Galatia, Macedonia, Achaia and Asia but, for obvious reasons, of propriety, had representatives take each province's own contribution.

    October 24, 2011 at 5:57 pm |
    • Michae l J.

      You're a moron.

      October 24, 2011 at 6:03 pm |
    • Reality

      For those who are reading challenged:

      SAVING 1.5 BILLION LOST MUSLIMS:
      THERE NEVER WERE AND NEVER WILL BE ANY ANGELS I.E. NO GABRIEL, NO ISLAM AND THEREFORE NO MORE KORANIC-DRIVEN ACTS OF HORROR AND TERROR LIKE 9/11.

      SAVING 2 BILLION LOST CHRISTIANS:
      THERE WERE NEVER ANY BODILY RESURRECTIONS AND THERE WILL NEVER BE ANY BODILY RESURRECTIONS I.E. NO EASTER, NO CHRISTIANITY AND NO PAPACY.

      SAVING 15.5 MILLION FOLLOWERS OF JUDAISM:
      ABRAHAM AND MOSES PROBABLY NEVER EXISTED.

      Added details upon request.

      October 24, 2011 at 6:28 pm |
    • Guest

      Cut & Paste, Cut & Paste, Cut & Paste.......ad nauseum

      October 24, 2011 at 7:27 pm |
    • Reality

      Only for the those interested in a religious update:
      1. origin: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20E1EFE35540C7A8CDDAA0894DA404482

      “New Torah For Modern Minds

      Abraham, the Jewish patriarch, probably never existed. Nor did Moses. The entire Exodus story as recounted in the Bible probably never occurred. The same is true of the tumbling of the walls of Jericho. And David, far from being the fearless king who built Jerusalem into a mighty capital, was more likely a provincial leader whose reputation was later magnified to provide a rallying point for a fledgling nation.

      Such startling propositions – the product of findings by archaeologists digging in Israel and its environs over the last 25 years – have gained wide acceptance among non-Orthodox rabbis. But there has been no attempt to disseminate these ideas or to discuss them with the laity – until now.

      The United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism, which represents the 1.5 million Conservative Jews in the United States, has just issued a new Torah and commentary, the first for Conservatives in more than 60 years. Called "Etz Hayim" ("Tree of Life" in Hebrew), it offers an interpretation that incorporates the latest findings from archaeology, philology, anthropology and the study of ancient cultures. To the editors who worked on the book, it represents one of the boldest efforts ever to introduce into the religious mainstream a view of the Bible as a human rather than divine docu-ment. “

      2. Jesus was an illiterate Jewish peasant/carpenter/simple preacher man who suffered from hallucinations (or “mythicizing” from P, M, M, L and J) and who has been characterized anywhere from the Messiah from Nazareth to a mythical character from mythical Nazareth to a ma-mzer from Nazareth (Professor Bruce Chilton, in his book Rabbi Jesus). An-alyses of Jesus’ life by many contemporary NT scholars (e.g. Professors Ludemann, Crossan, Borg and Fredriksen, ) via the NT and related doc-uments have concluded that only about 30% of Jesus' sayings and ways noted in the NT were authentic. The rest being embellishments (e.g. miracles)/hallucinations made/had by the NT authors to impress various Christian, Jewish and Pagan sects.

      The 30% of the NT that is "authentic Jesus" like everything in life was borrowed/plagiarized and/or improved from those who came before. In Jesus' case, it was the ways and sayings of the Babylonians, Greeks, Persians, Egyptians, Hitt-ites, Canaanites, OT, John the Baptizer and possibly the ways and sayings of traveling Greek Cynics.

      earlychristianwritings.com/theories.html

      For added "pizzazz", Catholic theologians divided god the singularity into three persons and invented atonement as an added guilt trip for the "pew people" to go along with this trinity of overseers. By doing so, they made god the padre into god the "filicider".

      Current RCC problems:

      Pedophiliac priests, an all-male, mostly white hierarchy, atonement theology and original sin!!!!

      3., Luther, Calvin, Joe Smith, Henry VIII, Wesley, Roger Williams, the Great “Babs” et al, founders of Christian-based religions or combination religions also suffered from the belief in/hallucinations of "pretty wingie thingie" visits and "prophecies" for profits analogous to the myths of Catholicism (resurrections, apparitions, ascensions and immacu-late co-nceptions).

      Current problems:
      Adulterous preachers, pedophiliac clerics, "propheteering/ profiteering" evangelicals and atonement theology,

      3. Mohammed was an illiterate, womanizing, lust and greed-driven, warmongering, hallucinating Arab, who also had embellishing/hallucinating/plagiarizing scribal biographers who not only added "angels" and flying chariots to the koran but also a militaristic agenda to support the plundering and looting of the lands of non-believers.

      This agenda continues as shown by the ma-ssacre in Mumbai, the as-sas-sinations of Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh, the conduct of the seven Muslim doctors in the UK, the 9/11 terrorists, the 24/7 Sunni suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the 24/7 Shiite suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the Islamic bombers of the trains in the UK and Spain, the Bali crazies, the Kenya crazies, the Pakistani “koranics”, the Palestine suicide bombers/rocketeers, the Lebanese nutcases, the Taliban nut jobs, the Ft. Hood follower of the koran, and the Filipino “koranics”.

      And who funds this muck and stench of terror? The warmongering, Islamic, Shiite terror and torture theocracy of Iran aka the Third Axis of Evil and also the Sunni "Wannabees" of Saudi Arabia.

      Current crises:

      The Sunni-Shiite blood feud and the warmongering, womanizing (11 wives), hallucinating founder.

      5. Hinduism (from an online Hindu site) – "Hinduism cannot be described as an organized religion. It is not founded by any individual. Hinduism is God centered and therefore one can call Hinduism as founded by God, because the answer to the question ‘Who is behind the eternal principles and who makes them work?’ will have to be ‘Cosmic power, Divine power, God’."

      The caste/laborer system, reincarnation and cow worship/reverence are problems when saying a fair and rational God founded Hinduism."

      Current crises:

      The caste system and cow worship/reverence.

      6. Buddhism- "Buddhism began in India about 500 years before the birth of Christ. The people living at that time had become disillusioned with certain beliefs of Hinduism including the caste system, which had grown extremely complex. The number of outcasts (those who did not belong to any particular caste) was continuing to grow."

      "However, in Buddhism, like so many other religions, fanciful stories arose concerning events in the life of the founder, Siddhartha Gautama (fifth century B.C.):"

      Archaeological discoveries have proved, beyond a doubt, his historical character, but apart from the legends we know very little about the circu-mstances of his life. e.g. Buddha by one legend was supposedly talking when he came out of his mother's womb.

      Bottom line: There are many good ways of living but be aware of the hallucinations, embellishments, lies, and myths surrounding the founders and foundations of said rules of life.

      Then, apply the Five F rule: "First Find the Flaws, then Fix the Foundations". And finally there will be religious peace and religious awareness in the world!!!!!

      October 24, 2011 at 11:30 pm |
  2. Reality

    From p. 1:

    What do contemporary NT scholars conclude about the historic
    reliability of papal infallibility:

    (developed from the studies of the following NT scholars,
    H.S. Reimarus
    R. Bultmann
    E. Kasemann
    Earl Doherty
    Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy
    Alvar Ellegård
    G. A. Wells
    Gregory Riley
    Robert Eisenman
    John Dominic Crossan
    Robert Funk
    Burton Mack
    Stephen J. Patterson
    Marcus Borg
    Stevan Davies
    Geza Vermes
    Richard Horsley
    Hyam Maccoby
    Gerd Theissen
    Bart Ehrman
    Paula Fredriksen
    Gerd Lüdemann
    John P. Meier
    E. P. Sanders
    Robert H. Stein
    Karen Armstrong
    Albert Schweitzer (The Quest for the Historical Jesus)
    Mahlon Smith
    Karen Pagels)

    (John 14: 26 not historic ( 62-. Spirit under Trial: (1) 1Q: Luke 12:11-12 = Matt
    10:19-20; (2) Mark 13:11 = Matt 10: 19-20 = Luke 21:14-15; (3) John 14:26.)

    Matt 16: 18-19 not historic (73- Who Is Jesus?: (1) Gos. Thom. 13; (2a) Mark
    8:27-30 = Matt 16:13-20 = Luke 9:18-21; (2b) Gos. Naz. 14; (2c) John 6:67-69.)

    (from Professor Gerd Ludemann in his book, Jesus After 2000 Years, p. 198, (Matt 16: 18-19 "is inauthentic"

    1 Timothy- not written by St. Paul (See for example JD Crossan’s “In Search of Paul”, Harper, San
    Francisco, 2004, p.105)

    2 Peter 1:20

    Since Schillebeeckx basically ruled out prophecies by concluding God does not know
    the future, one can rule out the infallible nature of this verse.

    Also from Raymond Brown’s, An Introduction to the New Testament, 2 Peter was
    the last canonical work written i.e. ~ 130 AD, author unknown. Tis a bit dated for use in claiming infallibility plus the verse is not from Jesus or Peter but some possible remembrance of a scribe.

    Covering all the issues:

    o “Now Rome which developed the Church of Dogma (rather than metanoia) dared to add things which have scant basis in scripture like the Trinity, Individual priesthood, Auricular Confession, Transubstantiation, Infallibility, Immaculate Conception and the Assumption. None of these are present in scripture nor an they be deduced. Matthew 16:18 was discovered to apply to the papacy by Damasus I who had over a hundred of his rival's supporter's killed to gain the bishopric of Rome. It is after this time that the phrase from Matthew is more and more centered on Rome. The bishops of Rome committed many crimes. The biggest one was to ascribe their malfeasance to the Holy Spirit. Still is.”

    October 24, 2011 at 5:52 pm |
    • Guest

      Cut & Paste, Cut & Paste, Cut & Paste,,,,,,,, ad nauseum

      October 24, 2011 at 7:28 pm |
  3. Dude

    "Every day more people are leaving the church and returning to God." Lenny Bruce

    October 24, 2011 at 5:51 pm |
    • ComeAgainBaltoMD

      Brilliant!

      October 24, 2011 at 6:02 pm |
  4. Jack Mihov

    He looks like Emperor Palpatine from Star Wars, no suprise he wants to a new global financial authority : himself

    October 24, 2011 at 5:50 pm |
  5. Samsword

    [insert random calls to stop fighting and play nice... various strand of "warm fuzzies"] 😉

    October 24, 2011 at 5:47 pm |
    • Samsword

      That was directed to the strand below 😉

      October 24, 2011 at 5:47 pm |
    • Arcandciel

      If you see Rev 17, v.9,18. and google the seven hills of Rome you have the geographical location of the great false church.Am I censored?

      October 24, 2011 at 5:54 pm |
  6. Jordan

    New World Order coming to you soon! Due to major consumer dissatisfaction in the past we've introduced the global currency! And for the holidays, we've got the brand new global religion! Get yours soon before we're all souled out!

    October 24, 2011 at 5:40 pm |
  7. Rob

    OCCUPY VATICAN!!!

    October 24, 2011 at 5:38 pm |
    • Reality

      The Chuckle of the Day!!! Danke Schoen !!!

      October 24, 2011 at 5:47 pm |
    • ComeAgainBaltoMD

      Yes! Can't wait to see what the Holey Father has to say about that!

      October 24, 2011 at 6:06 pm |
  8. Joe

    Eight Years of elementary educadion by Precious Blood Nuns, four years of high school by Jesuits, four years of college by Jesuits and two years graduate school also by Jesuits. The Church is not what it should be but caters to the masses. I'm gone.

    October 24, 2011 at 5:27 pm |
    • Oej

      C-ya

      October 24, 2011 at 5:36 pm |
    • staszek

      poor Joe, one day you may be back

      October 24, 2011 at 5:37 pm |
  9. bahminj

    The Vatican once again proves that it is a political power under a religions guise!

    1 Protects its own in child abuse cases
    2 Asserts its own unauthorized supremacy over God and the Bible.
    3. Removes individuals free choice by the sprinkling of new born's into its congregation.
    4. Dictates world wide policy!
    ....a former Catholic!

    October 24, 2011 at 5:23 pm |
    • ajk68

      The Vatican is just arguing that unrestrained materialism and greed is evil. They are arguing for some checks on the system. They have no power, other than that of making a good argument, to cause the changes they propose.

      October 24, 2011 at 5:25 pm |
    • ComeAgainBaltoMD

      "The Vatican is just arguing that unrestrained materialism and greed is" . . . . unrestrained materialism and greed is the very essence of the Vatican Spectacle.

      October 24, 2011 at 6:09 pm |
  10. Capercorn

    [Insert inflammatory comment regarding religion and politics here]

    October 24, 2011 at 5:18 pm |
    • Chuckles

      [Insert scathing remark about your character and your idiocy involving you statement. Compare you to Hitlet and/or making a needless remark about your horrific use of grammar]

      October 24, 2011 at 5:20 pm |
    • Capercorn

      [Counter with even more scathing insult against your character, complete with baseless accusations of several various crimes. Make frequent use of Caps Lock.]

      October 24, 2011 at 5:22 pm |
    • Chuckles

      [ deny and call you a baby kill/hitler, make sure to use a lot of big words to prove that I am much more intelligent. Make sure to pick apart each sentence and try and refute your statement by going after your grammar and spelling. Type in all caps to make sure my point gets across]

      October 24, 2011 at 5:27 pm |
    • Capercorn

      [Ignore your post, and counter with various arguments that would make a historian cringe that your particular worldview is the root of most bad things in human history and society today. Proceed to boast about my intellectual triumph over all other worldviews. Use "witty" idioms gratuitously.]

      October 24, 2011 at 5:34 pm |
    • ItsHopeless

      Whoa! This is the most intense argument that never happened....

      October 24, 2011 at 5:45 pm |
    • Dude

      [Enter exchange with unrelated post promoting my personal web site selling get rich working at home schemes.]

      October 24, 2011 at 5:48 pm |
    • Fookin' Prawn

      [post link to YouTube vid that has nothing to do with the article or actually, anything anywhere]

      October 24, 2011 at 6:47 pm |
  11. Brian

    Really? The church is calling for reform? I think they should figure out their own issues before they start throwing stones.

    October 24, 2011 at 5:17 pm |
    • Brian

      Considering the billions in capital reserves they are sitting on I think financially they don't have any problems so they can fire those stones at will

      October 24, 2011 at 5:30 pm |
    • ajk68

      The Catholic Church is always reforming itself – not in its teaching but in its governance. People aren't perfect.

      October 24, 2011 at 5:36 pm |
  12. If horses had Gods their Gods would be horses

    Rotten wall street corps paying no taxes, lobbying our congressment, manipulating our government & lying to the masses .... wait a minute, I meant the US religion industry!!

    October 24, 2011 at 5:14 pm |
  13. mike on the bay

    Absolute power corrupts absolutlely. That is why little boys were molested by fellow priests while guys like the pope stood by and watched.

    October 24, 2011 at 5:11 pm |
  14. B

    If it is socialist to care about those less fortunate than yourself, then the Pope is socialist. Me too. Thank you Vatican.

    October 24, 2011 at 5:11 pm |
    • Matt

      And Jesus was the biggest socialist of them all...

      October 24, 2011 at 5:19 pm |
    • Capercorn

      And then the academics in the Church, thinking that you're using the academic definition of the word "socialism" will counter with the charge that any economic system must contain some form of private property, lest the world descend into the Tragedy of the Commons.

      Either way, OWS and now the Vatican are just trying to say that a pragmatic economic system, that has safeguards for those who fall through the cracks, and treats everyone fairly, is vastly superior to a form of capitalism that is based in ideological purity and greed.

      October 24, 2011 at 5:27 pm |
  15. Mark

    The new pope creeps me out. The media always shows pictures of those creepy sunken eyeballs. I think Satan came back as a pope...

    October 24, 2011 at 5:07 pm |
    • TheTruth72

      Not quite, but check out the headline and then look up the book of Revelation and mark of the beast. I believe it's Rev 13. Pretty awesome huh?! Jesus is coming back soon!

      October 24, 2011 at 5:08 pm |
    • Dc mortimer

      Dont judge a book by its cover as is normal in todays "Vain" society .

      October 24, 2011 at 5:16 pm |
    • Capercorn

      Listen to his voice once. Any notion you had of the Pope being creepy will go away right that instance.

      October 24, 2011 at 5:21 pm |
    • ajk68

      The pope is a great man who looks creepy – get over it.

      October 24, 2011 at 5:39 pm |
    • Look Here

      See 2 Corinthians 11:14 for your ANSWER!

      October 24, 2011 at 6:01 pm |
    • Charles

      I agree with the truth72. I think your jumping the gun here, but maybe just a notch. I think we already have passed the point of no return even though there are still several signs to unfold. However, being at the point we are now, things might start tumbling into prophetic place in record time in the very near future indeed. Even though the mark of the BEAST is not yet implemented, it's technology is undoubtedly here.

      October 24, 2011 at 6:16 pm |
  16. FrankinSD

    I wonder whether greed is a venal or a mortal sin? Or, does it depend on how greedy you actually are? Bill Gates greedy=venal; Bank of America greedy=mortal?

    October 24, 2011 at 5:06 pm |
    • LowlyOne

      Greed is one of the seven deadly sins which makes it wholely a mortal sin.

      October 24, 2011 at 5:25 pm |
  17. eli

    we did that plan before it was called the dark ages. Sorry Vatican not again.

    October 24, 2011 at 4:58 pm |
  18. CNNuthin

    "“Those who are comparing this text to the demands of the ‘Occupy Wall Street’ crowd should first detail what exactly it is the urban campers want,” Donohue said in a statement." Are we really back at that point? Occupy WS and each site has now expressed what they want. There are sites up hosted by them with their grievances, demands, whatever you want to call them. The fact that the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights President is saying that shows that he is trying to ride the publicity of OWS without researching the movement.

    October 24, 2011 at 4:58 pm |
    • jew zeus

      If at this point people think that the list of demands for OWS are either too long or have no organization than at this point it is confirmed that the dumming down of America has gone to the stage of dumbing'er'er'ing down of America. People want accountability for a long list of acts of financial treason from the former financial sector, now the coming world banker aristocracy. List a part of society and you will no doubt find its deterioration at the hand of the derivatives banking system turned to a predatory financial aristocracy. no part of society has been left uncorrupted, whether it be of a nature of philosophy or a once regarded respectable place of statistics every part of society has been corrupted to the point of infecting the others. The list may be too long for you but not for others.

      October 24, 2011 at 5:12 pm |
  19. mike on the bay

    For years the church has hidden its marxist philosophies behind the cloak of "social justice". Now it seems they have come out of the closet and revealed themselves as true followers of the communist way.

    October 24, 2011 at 4:55 pm |
    • CW

      As opposed to the capitalist way where wealth and power are consolidated in the elite few, while the rest of us fight for scraps.

      October 24, 2011 at 5:01 pm |
    • Capercorn

      Well, are you shocked? The Early Church was a hippie commune. Seriously. Go read Acts. It's a hippie commune.

      October 24, 2011 at 5:16 pm |
  20. Sam

    @ThinkForYourself...I didnt expect a response from you anyway....Stop tagging along with others and try to post something yourself.....Why dont you just read the conversation and agree and disagree in your mind instead of saying it out here and not adding any value to the conversation

    October 24, 2011 at 4:50 pm |
    • Fookin' Prawn

      idk, but I suspect it's for the same reason you didn't just hit the reply button to that person's post instead of getting ranty pants in a whole new off topic post.

      October 24, 2011 at 5:01 pm |
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