October 25th, 2011
12:09 PM ET
My Take: Why Christians are embracing their LGBT neighbors
Editor’s note: Ross Murray is director of religion, faith and values at GLAAD, the Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation.
By Ross Murray, Special to CNN
America is embracing its lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender citizens. Don’t believe me? Just look at the progress being made in faith communities.
The Christian church was once considered the final holdout for those who oppose equality for LGBT people. Staunch believers could gather in worship with people who thought just like them to hear sermons affirming the anti-LGBT beliefs they held in common.
For those of us who identify as LGBT, church was a place of fear and secrets. We had to figure out how to hide ourselves or how to find a more welcoming community.
But that is changing.
Although there is still a variety of scriptural interpretations, an increasing number of Christians are reading scripture and understanding that God’s design for the world includes LGBT people. It follows, good Christians believe, that if God made them, then I am called to love and support them.
Whole Christian denominations have accepted and embraced the reality of LGBT believers within their ranks and in their leadership. Lutherans, Episcopalians, Presbyterians, the United Church of Christ and Unitarians have formally accepted LGBT people within their denominations.
Even within denominations and faith groups whose policies don’t fully welcome LGBT people, there are growing numbers of people who have learned to love and accept their lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender brothers and sisters.
The Public Religion Research Institute found this year that as many as 71% of Catholics in America support lesbian and gay people, even up to the point of civil marriage, despite the Roman Catholic hierarchy telling them otherwise.
Of course, there still are Christian groups who work actively against equal protections for LGBT people and their families.
Indeed, as more Americans get to know and love their LGBT neighbors, the messages and vocal misinformation of anti-gay activists become even more shrill.
And yet more and more Christians are now living out the message of 1 John 4:18, “There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear.”
How did this happen? More Christians now know someone who is LGBT. They probably even know someone from their church. There are countless faithful Christians who identify as LGBT.
These are folks who have found their faith in God to be stronger than the opposition of vocal anti-gay activists.
These LGBT Christians have shared their lives and their stories that build up love and break down fear, leading to tangible progress, especially with young people.
According to the Public Religion Research Institute, there is at least a 20-point gap between those ages 18 to 29 and those ages 65 and older on every public policy measure in the survey concerning equality for gay and lesbian people, with younger Americans gravitating toward equality.
Even Christian-identified young people increasingly support protections for lesbian and gay people, the same survey found.
Those who oppose equality can call it what they like, but the reality is that we are living in a society that has learned how to value LGBT people as they would others.
That attitude doesn’t rely on fear or lies, but on caring relationships and trust. It lives out the apostle Paul’s wish for the Corinthians that someday we will know fully, even as we are fully known. It is a biblically informed reality that is helping to make the world a better place.
The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Ross Murray.
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Bigfoot can kick Jesus' as s. Jesus is a sissy.
" then you would have to believe that God would attempt to communicate with humans and let them know what the rules are for getting on the up vs down escalator. Which he has done."
Really? God has spoken to you.
Or are you referring to a the 2000 year old work of fiction written by people who never actually spoke to god, but wrote down what they though someone who thought they spoke to god had said 50 years earlier, that they more than likely never even spoke to?
First of all, we all know that there is a GOD or at least being who created everything we see. We can not deny this. Just stop and think. i mean, we're standing on a giant ball right now thats spinning at a 100K mpg and rotating around a giant mass of fire (the sun. which is over 100 times the size of the eath) at 67K mph. REALLY!!! and we're just gonna say that it wass all an accident. it just happened by chance. Come on guys! we're kidding ourselves. and the sun is 93million miles away from the earth but if it were even just a tad bit closer we would all die. REALLY!!! this wasnt an accident! this is a beautiful design! and just as GOD creted the universe and all we see within it, HE created you and i. WITH A PURPOSE. male and female HE created us. we fit together, male and female.
j-p, um, no. first did you read your own post? "you love them so much you will tell them that god hates them"? that is hateful. By saying there choices are evil, that is not love it is in fact blatant hate.
if i beleive what i profess to believe about GOD, heaven and hell, i mean if i really believe with all of my heart that one day each and every person on this earth will have to come before an Almighty GOD and give and account for his or her life, and based upon how we lived here on the earth (our little 2fifths of a sec here on the earth) GOD (the creater of the universe, who can do whatever HE wants) will either say, "well done, good and faithful sevant inherit the kindom prepared for you..." or "Depart from me you who are cursed into the fire prepared for you..." Mathew25:31-46 if i really beleived this, than how loving would i be to let someone not know? GOD is GOD! HE can do whatever he pleases! and it doesnt have to make sense to me, little human being (created being) here on the earth. I dont necessarily like this! the fact that some of us will here "well done" and some of us "depart from me". and then thats it. game over. hope we enjoyed our 2fifths of a second here on the earth living for ourselves and denying the existence of the one who created us. thats it. for eternity. im sorry if that doesnt sit well with some of you. it doesnt always sit well with me, but it's true. so what then... I love you! and i want you to know! may GOD bless you with the knowlege of HIS love.
No, many of us reject the Bronze Age mythology of a god, John Paul. I cannot believe that a god would just happen by chance. It is too silly to believe.
"I dont necessarily like this! the FACT that some of us will here "well done" and some of us "depart from me". and then thats it." (emphasis added by me)
J-P: You sure have an issue confusing fact with opinion
J-P: Perhaps the idea of a god that judges human interaction, as well as the concepts of heaven and hell, are all man made
JP, that's called the 'pathetic fallacy' when you say the Earth must have been designed for us because it suits us. It would be exactly the same if we evolved to make the best use of our environment; the sun doesn't burn us most of the year, we can eat many plants and most animals, and we see beauty in our surroundings. If we were made of frozen gases under tons of atmospheric pressure, we'd still find our environment beautiful, and our frozen mythmakers would praise a god having the wisdom to not put us close to the sun where we might melt. It's a child's argument, kid. Go ask your mommy for a better one.
Let's all agree that we are all human and with error. There can be holes found in most of the posts on here. Unbelievers judging Christians for judging unbelievers. The cycle continues. Those that claim to be believers being judged on their beliefs and response to the world and those that don't believe being judged on their lack of belief and pursuit of the world. Both the pot and the kettle are black.
Each epoch has found in the Gospels what it sought to find there, and has overlooked what it wished to overlook. - Ludwig von Mises
“One has to wonder, how many people, self-proclaimed Christians, many of whom we see in church with us every week, never really even made a conscious choice to accept Jesus Christ as their personal savior. How many people inherited their faith, have maintained it, and adhere to it publicly, but have never actually asked Jesus to be lord of their lives? How many of us are unwittingly destined to hear Christ tell us, “I never knew you; depart from Me.”
My new book, The Four Pillars of the Kingdom, is set to be released in a week. It is, not only a response to some of the metaphysical arguments of the so-called New Atheists, but also a call to believers to take their faith serious in a very real way. You can find a few excerpts from the work and the cover art on my website, The Immaculate Conservative:
Please read and let me know what you think!
The question should be why Christians are always the last to get on board with any groups civil rights.
Review the history of the Abolitionist movement from 19th century and you will see that christians are not the last on civil rights issues. As with any issue, "The more information you obtain on an issue, the more complicated it becomes." Unfortunately, we humans are biologically wired to make snap judgements on the smallest of information available. Good for physical survival, bad for thorough, intelligent discussion.
@Fellowtraveller: “Review the history of the Abolitionist movement from 19th century and you will see that christians are not the last on civil rights issues. “
You will also find many many Christians on the side of the slavery and justifying slavery with quotes (and not out of context) from the bible
Good for them. I wouldnt let my kids around a few of them though
Me either. Those Christians are dangerous.
Are you saying there are straight people you wouldn't let your children around or church members you wouldn't want your kids to associate with. There are an awful lot of both I woudln't let my dog near!
The Christians or the gay people? Don't know as I'd want my kid hanging around with yours. Might pick up some mental cooties.
What a ridiculous article..."are they friendly?" (As a group lumped in together)...what next? Are single mothers friendly?
What is amazing to me is that all of you of whom do not believe that there is a God are posting. What would be your reason for coming on a site such as this and even concerning yourself with something you have no interest in? I know you are not dealing in Aristotle's thought processing on absolutism, so why are you here on this site. God Bless you for your interest.
What amazes me is that people who shun gay and lesbian people pop into these articles and comment...no I was lying...it doesn't amaze me (because this is a forum).
This statement of yours shows that you have very shallow and closed thought processes.
i can only speak for myself, yannaes, but i come here to be amused by the pompousness of believers
People have reasonable concerns for the influence of religion on society – especially as it cannot be avoided but is forced upon us willy-nilly every day, by people lobbying for laws to enforce their interpretation of scripture on our personal matters of conscience.
Personally, I do believe in God. But believing in Reason and the Human Spirit and free exchange of opinions are also beliefs, values, articles of faith that have a place on this blog whether they have anything to do with God or not.
Did you know there are entire religions that don't talk about God? Ever hear of Buddhism? It's big in Asia.
I'm here to enjoy watching you believers go against everything your imaginary God asked you to do.
Just doing my best to help counteract the poison that is Christian thought and theology
We will find out on the day of judgment, and we all will be judged not by other's, but by our living God. Then all the answers will be clarified and maybe Jean Paul Sartre had more insight than what we thought. Gay On, your choice.
You do know that those who do not believe are not moved by empty proxy threats, don't you?
You were wondering why those who don't share your beliefs are on here. To whom would you bray your pronouncement if they weren't?
Tom: I suspect braying those pronouncements makes yannaes (and all others who make similar pronouncements) feel all godly
Exactly which day of judgement are you referencing? Camping's? It's come and gone several times.
On Sartre's day of judgement, we'll all have to sit in a small room watching Dancing With The Stars forever.
flat out shame that you all say there is no God when they very breath you take is a gift from him. How ever i will not judge or cirtize anyones belife system. HAve a good day
"flat out shame that you all say there is no God when they very breath you take is a gift from him. How ever i will not judge or cirtize anyones belife system."
other than calling them shameful
You say you will not judge but yet you say it is a shame that we say there is no god...you contradict yourself! In reality it is a shame that you still fall for a book that was written over 2000 years ago and believe in something that there is no proof for. Believe as you wish but keep it out of the public view....do not step on the rights of others to accept what they wish to believe or who accept that science provides more reasonable answers than a book of fiction does. Your book teaches you not to judge and by your statement you have, now since you are the one believing in h*ll, I wish you nothing but a wonderful time there (not that it exists but in your closed mind it does and for your discord of that simple scripture you will end up there).
OK, well, thanks for stealing fire from Zeus for us, and I hope that bird gets tired of eating your liver one day.
“when they very breath you take is a gift from him” Evidence please
This may be true of some denominations in the United States, but it is not represented globally where Christianity continues to be a force of intolerance and persecution, often with missionary aid from U.S. congregations. Uganda's fearful pogrom is one example of such. A look at the threat of schism within the Anglican communion will show where other regions of deep intolerance thrive.
We cannot be complacent. We are a global community. There are gay men and lesbians in every country on Earth, in every faith. Can you imagine what it must be like to grow up gay in Iran?
It would be nice if Christians could look at things and act on them according to the example of Jesus, but by and large they don't. I am pleased to see denominations coming around on this. But for me, it is too late. The United Methodist Church has had and passed by every opportunity to advocate for LGBT Christians. I have always found their "cross and flame" emblem deeply unfortunate, but in this case, I'll take it as fair warning.
Way to make lemons out of lemonade, Daniel. If significant swaths of the Christian church are developing a more inclusive faith than I say Hurray! or should that be Amen!? It's a good thing and they should be applauded. Lets not lay all the problems of intolerance at the feet of the people who are making the right changes and say "Yeah, sure, But you haven't fixed THIS yet." Hatred and fear is everyone's problem and we all have to fix it. These folks are doing their part. I hope no one asks me I've done lately. I'd have to say "Err...Umm...I'll get back to you!"
And it's best to pay no attention to people WHO TYPE IN ALL CAPS and yell that The Bible Is Garbage. They are, for the most part, closeted Christians who are lashing out rather than embracing their true selves. We've all met them, the poor self loathing Mystics.
Come out of the closet BIBLE IS GARBAGEman, we'll love you for who you are.
My big take away from christianity is that nobody is perfect and they sort of went through the list there. Seems to me we are all in this together. Of course christians would love the lgbt community. of course they would. who could even question.
As far as the gay part who cares. I don't understand people who are gay take up Christianity, It clearly says in the bible several times its a sin. Everybody sins yes but this is beyond that. Well at least they all know if they read the bible were there gonna end UP: hint hint "Its hot and everlasting"
'todd': where, exactly, does it make it clear? All your cute little hints and supposed suppositions are crap.
Why do "they take up Christianity"? Maybe because they love God and believe in Jesus. Ever think of that, moron? No, because you and your sort are only interested in exclusion of others who aren't exactly like you.
Todd, why do people who have had an affair keep going to church? Why do convicted felons continue to believe? The Bible says you are all sinners, so why do ANY of you keep going to church once you know that?
Who cares? Why should anyone solicit the endorsement and favor of those that sell snake oil as holy water, and myth and fable as fact? There is no god. Anyone that perpetuates that myth and perpetrates such falsehoods should be sued and tried for fraud. The absolute insanity of the Abrahamic religions arguing, fighting and killing over which prophet is best. It is like arguing whether Superman is better than Green Lantern. It is utter nonsense and fantasy. Grow up people and learn to get along. In the meantime, keep your religious opinions and nonsense to yourself and your congregations.
Don't want to hear about religion? You might want to consider avoiding the "Belief" section of the website. Oh, and Superman is better. He's indestructible.
@mickey1313, what you hide is on you! Will not call you
, what you are other than lost!
You are right, Ross, more and more "Christians" are sacrificing theological truths for cultural selfish motives. Throughout history, God has preserved his remnant (if you don't believe it, it's scriptural so that means you place no authority in scripture, so feel free to disregard everything I am saying), and he is preserving a remnant through this as well.
Just curious, who in your opinion is the remnant church? Or do you think it to be non-denominational an simply people who follow God's laws to the fullest extent of their knowledge.
There is no particular remnant church. It would be inter-denominational. Remnant is just a term that refers to those who haven't compromised. Like Elijah, thinking he was all alone, but there were many other prophets that hadn't compromised. Remember, there's good compromise and bad compromise. You can't compromise beliefs or principles, but methods are always in flux.
So, if you are a 'remnant' you are better than other Christians? Are you allowed to kill them or keep them as slaves? It's fascinating to watch the little wheels go around in your heads.
There is to,too much sin in the camp(USA) for one person not to accept another! Read God's word and make your choice. Life is so,so easy to live, MYOB And you will fine. Show me a man/woman with a stone in their hand and I'll show you liar: No rocks should be casted!
"Should be cast".
tell that to the thousands of people put to death for not believeing in god. If there is a god, he (it) has done such a p1ss p00r job with this earth, that I would NEVER worship such a malgen force. And the MYOB crack, is laughable comeing from a defender of a group that is REQUIRED to prostalitize to others. All thiests are evil, and I would love to cast the first stone against any of them. Abrhamic religon created the term "sin", since I am not christian, I am without sin, so I can cast away.
"a group that is REQUIRED to prostalitize to others" That would be the Militant Church of the Blue Oyster, right? Showing off their prostates all over town?
I think I will leave the judging up to God. Have a nice day
SANTA WON'T BE CRAPPING DOWN YOUR CHIMNEY THIS YEAR
He will if i have anything to say about it. He is one of my best customers!
And when did you become a Biblical Scholar? Was it before you became angry or after because you did not get your way. By the way, how is your Vulgate, Greek and Hebrew. I am sure you translated it into your rhetoric to come to your conclusions.
You wrote that as a true Scholar of Biblical Intellectual. And all you can write is "Garbage?"
And I say unto each and every one of you, Christians are dorks, all religions are evil, an you should keep you colons clean!
As a Christian, I can accept every one of your thoughts here.
One qualification: religion is a human attempt to get to God. Christianity is God coming to humanity.
Thanks for having a brain my man. Have a great week.
russ, you are foolish if that is what you truely think. I cannot believe that these cults are tax free, look at there assets, if we tax them like anyother company, then we could solve alot of problems. Also we need to stop reconizing religous leaders as world leaders. leting the pope of the dahli lama into the oval office sullies the office as much as haveing bush in there, I mean...
HEY RUSS OR WHATEVER CHRISTIANITY IS A RELIGION SO IT ISN'T EXEMPT FROM YOUR TERRIBLE ATTEMPT TO JUSTIFY IT'S EXISTENCE
And since it does not exist, they're both doomed.
Hey ya'll, Russ tries hard to use his brain. Try some constructive criticism!
Wow! I would loved to have had you in my Philosophy class with such intellectual insight into the world of Christianity, or for that matter any world you so desired. Where did you get your scholarly insight into the world of 'all' of anything? Yes, I would have enjoyed having you in my lecture hall. Truly, you would have been one of the most insightful students that would have crossed through the portals of the hall where I lectured. You are amazing, intellectually?
And YOU'RE a professor? Gee, you must be so proud of yourself, bragging about it to an anonymous board.
From p. 13:
o All "Abrahamics" believe that their god created all of us and of course that includes the g-ay members of the human race. Also, those who have studied ho-mo-se-xuality have determined that there is no choice involved therefore ga-ys are ga-y because god made them that way.
o The Royal College of Psy-chiatrists stated in 2007:
“ Despite almost a century of psy-choanalytic and psy-chological speculation, there is no substantive evidence to support the suggestion that the nature of parenting or early childhood experiences play any role in the formation of a person’s fundamental heteros-exual or hom-ose-xual orientation. It would appear that s-exual orientation is biological in nature, determined by a complex interplay of ge-netic factors and the early ut-erine environment. Se-xual orientation is therefore not a choice. "
"Garcia-Falgueras and Swaab state in the abstract of their 2010 study, "The fe-tal brain develops during the intraut-erine period in the male direction through a direct action of tes-tosterone on the developing nerve cells, or in the female direction through the absence of this hor-mone surge. In this way, our gender identi-ty (the conviction of belonging to the male or female gender) and s-exual orientation are programmed or organized into our brain structures when we are still in the womb. There is no indication that social environment after birth has an effect on gender ident–ity or s-exual orientation."[8
Of course, those gays who belong to Abrahamic religions abide by the rules of no adu-ltery or for-nication allowed.
And because of basic biology differences said monogamous ventures should always be called same-se-x unions not same-se-x marriages.
i am a christian. I will love those who identify with the LGTB lifestyle, but i will love them by telling them the TRUTH. This LGTB lifestyle is offensive to GOD. I do not hate those who would identify with the LGBT lifestyle. I love them. And i want them to experience the freedom found in CHRIST. The TRUTH may sometimes hurt, but it is the TRUTH. And it is not relative. GOD is pretty clear on how heal feels about a LGBT lifestyle, it offends HIM. The ablolute wort thing you can do is offend GOD. So, I love you so much that I will not just sit by and let you continue to live a life that is offensive to GOD and not tell you the TRUTH. GOD loves you! HE is crazy about you! So much so that HE gave HIS life on the cross for you! so that at the end of your life you could come before a HOLY, HOLY, HOLY GOD and be welcomed into eternal life with HIM! THE ONE WHO CREATED YOU!!! but we have to accept HIM. we have to accept what HE did on the cross for us! we have to recognize and admit that we are in need of a savior. we must repent and give our lives completely to HIM. everything entirely to and for HIM. what joy! what freedom i have found in this total surrender! Please! im begging you, do not forfeit your soul for a short time of pleasure here on the earth. inherit the kingdom prepared for you from before the foundation of the world. be FREE in CHRIST! there is no greater pleasure than that of a life surrendered to JESUS! I love you. i truly do. may GOD bless you with the knowledge of HIS love!
Actually you have NO IDEA what "god" does or does not like. YOU don't like it, so you project it onto your fable, and turn it around, and preach it.
WHAT'S ALL THIS GOD TALK? THERE IS NOT A GOD. YOU ARE THE ONE OFFENDED BY GAYDOM. NOT SOME IMAGINARY SKY-PRINCESS FROM ON HIGH. IF GOD EXISTED HE'S PROBABLY TOO BUSY LOOKING AT HIMSELF IN A MIRROR WHILE WEARING A DRESS TO CARE WHAT PEOPLE DO IN THE SACK.
j-p, um, no. first did you read your own post? "you love them so much you will tell them that god hates them"? that is hateful. By saying there choices are evil, that is not love it is in fact blatant hate. You hate that which does not mesh with your fairy-tale world view. I feel so sad for the christians jews and muslems. If they pulled there heads out of there a$$es, then they would realize that by believeing in the unprovable all they do is open themselves up to believe in other false truths. The republican party COULD NOT FUNCTION if there were no thiests. If 40% of americans did not take for granted that belief without proof is not ok, then the gop would have to qualify there statments, but just like the bible, the republicans do not need any qualification to there words, they spout crap and the masses "believe" and follow.
"GOD is pretty clear on how heal feels about a LGBT lifestyle, it offends HIM."
So God could sit around and watch virtually ever person on the face of the earth slowly drown in the Flood, but he can't handle the idea of two men or two women making out in the privacy of their own bedrooms?
If there is a specific Bible verse that supports your prejudice, then you're very eager to share it with others. Right?
John-Paul: Why do you feel you have the authority to speak for God?
i know what you mean when you say "i am a christian. I will love those who identify with the LGTB lifestyle, but i will love them by telling them the TRUTH. "
But you see the responses of so many hear, not just to your post, but to all of them that speak the truth to them.
You know, friend, there is a point when a person can cross God's line, and I believe many heart on these words have already. I know that your post is sincere and it reaches out from the heart. But pride and arrogance it sin that keeps one's soul in satan's grip. Unless a person sees their real condition, an their need for Christ, they will never come to Him. God provided all, by coming down from His heavenly throne, in the form of man, who is God's own Son, Jesus Christ. The sacrifice He made for us, so we would be saved is unfathomable. That's why the condemnation for rejecting Him is also unfathomable. Those who are laughing and making sport of your pleading with them to listen, will hav whole eternity to listen, mourn, weep and plead to have another chance. God once allowed me to hear voices of weeping comming from that place of damned, called Hell,. No dictionary vocabulary contains the words that could describe the voices of multi-tudes who were weeping.... No, God did not create Hell for human souls, but those who don't choose to humble themselves now before the holy God who provided salvation even for the worst offenders, and whose blood can cleanse the most vilest sinner... those have no other choice but end up there.
But be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might, speaking the truth in love even if it hurts, because just as truth without love is lame, so is love without the truth. There is no real love if is not combined with truth. This is manifested in all realms, and walks of life as well.
God bless and keep you!
P.S Please accept my apology for some misspelled /used words. CNN Blogs are not user friendly... Hope you can still make out the meaning of what I'm saying....
John-Paul, do you believe that you are justified in killing people who don't believe your religion, the way bin Laden did? Anything to bring them to God, right? No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!!!
Clown, why don't you stick to the focus the conversation on Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who came to save lost sinners, which we all are, instead on the corrupted leaders who in their lust for power kept the Word of God hidden from the people, yet they themselves did not receive it, not knowing the Christ whom they pretend to be representatives of?
Are you going to be like one of them, determined to find a scapegoat, just so you don't face the truth about yourself and God who created you and gave you life?.... But it is DESTINED for you to face it, if not sooner, then later. This is the destiny of every human being ever lived.
The Question " WHO DO YOU SAY THAT I AM?" which Christ asks of every person ever born, is going to be the ONE which will determine what will be their eternal destiny.
You and you buddies can pretend it's imaginary fairytale, amusing yourself while laughing like a fool who is on the road, revving up his car, having his Joy-ride playing tough to impress his peers, ignoring the man on the side of the road waving frantically for him to stop, warning him of the danger ahead.... he even yells at him, calling him an "old fool".
Just few minutes later a loud crash is heard... You can guess the end of the story ...
No, we who are telling you about your eternal destiny and Christ who died and rose again so that you may have life, WE ARE NOT THE FOOLS. and you will find out who really was!.
And, no, those who go to eternity WITHOUT Christ, will NOT have parties down there!
May God help you to get out of your lullaby, to wake up before your time is appointed to find out what awaits you! You have no idea how many souls went to that place of the damned called Hell after someone pleaded with them and they laughed and refused to listen.
There comes a point when God will not strive with a man, and his destiny is sealed....because He sees what is in his heart....You, and people who gather here to make sport out of ridiculing those of us who speak to you, you will never be able to stand before God your Maker, and say you did not know the truth because no one told you!
Christards are screwed up in the head.
"Christards are screwed up in the head"
And just look who is talking...LOL! .