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A Christian debate over Halloween: Counter, co-opt, or embrace it?
October 28th, 2011
02:30 PM ET

A Christian debate over Halloween: Counter, co-opt, or embrace it?

Editor's note: Listen to the CNN Radio broadcast about the debate: By Jim Roope, CNN

Los Angeles (CNN) - For many American Christians, Halloween is innocent, harmless and fun, and they trick-or-treat, carve pumpkins and don costumes with gusto.

For others, though – especially for some conservative and fundamentalist Christians - Halloween is a celebration of evil and has no place in the life of a believer.

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“We don’t endorse that or we don’t celebrate that,” said Joe Hernandez, pastor of Worshipwalk Church in Los Angeles, which belongs to the conservative Pentecostal tradition. “People are celebrating the devil’s holiday.”

Halloween’s roots are believed to date back 1,400 years, to the Irish-pagan New Year’s celebration. The Celtic New Year began on November 1. People would light bonfires and wear costumes to ward off roaming ghosts and evil spirits.

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Some Christians, like Hernandez, believe Halloween’s pagan roots can open the door to evil. That’s why Worshipwalk is hosting a harvest festival in its church parking lot on Monday, with kids’ games and face painting.

Hernandez calls it harvesting hearts for God.

Some conservative churches go a step further, attempting to co-opt the holiday with haunted houses - called “hell houses” - that are designed to give a glimpse of eternal damnation in hopes of strengthening faith.

“There’s Satan’s lies and there’s Jesus’ redemption and there’s a message that will change your life,” said Keenan Roberts, who says he is the inventor of the hell house, which people walk or call through, just as they would a haunted house.

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“It’s designed to reach the ‘sight and sound’ age,” said Roberts. “The message is sacred but the method is not.”

Hell houses can be graphic. In Roberts’ hell house – which he markets through his Hell House Ministries – live actors depict scenes of abortion, rape, suicide and murder, though the journey through the house culminates in scenes of redemption through Jesus.

Pastor of the fundamentalist New Destiny church near Denver, Colorado, Roberts said that his ministry has received a lot of criticism for what critics say is “going too far.”

But he said today’s kids are so desensitized that he will do whatever it takes to get the message of salvation to take root.

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Mainline Protestants tend to take a much softer line on Halloween, with some mainline churches embracing it.

“Halloween for me is a time to have fun,” said Wayne Walters, pastor at the First United Methodist Church in Burbank, California. “I remember growing up - on Halloween I went trick-or-treating. I was in it for the candy.”

“And at Christmas I put out cookies and milk for Santa Claus, who always took time to sit down and enjoy them,” he continued. “None of those I think had a negative influence, destroyed or diminished my faith, he said.”

Walters says that many non-religious traditions associated with Christian holidays, including Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, hardly mean those holidays are non-Christian.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Christianity • Halloween

soundoff (3,144 Responses)
  1. zanthra

    Read "evidence that demands a virdict", "more than a carpenter", and "Evidence for the historical Jesus" by Josh McDowell (a former atheist) before you argue fruitless points on here (both christians, atheists, or whoever else might be trying to discredit christianity on here. As far as should a christian celebrate halloween... when the bible says love your neighbors, do good to others, and you should not kill... where does dressing up as a murderer come into being ok?? Also, if you dress up as a demon, or satan just to gather candy, aren't you praising the ones who you are supposed to be coming against? If you think taking a child out to just gather candy is innocent... what do you take them to? Houses with demons, spirits, and all sorts of evil things on them where they get nice things... yes they are not worshipping these things but are taught it is ok when you dress up and do these things.... do you think it doesn't scare a child seeing freddy krugar give them candy?? who btw is a demon... so your making it ok in your heads when the bible is clear about demons, etc. Anyway, before you make up your mind about the bible, forget the media, forget darwanism, forget atheism, even what you were taught about christianity for a while... look at the TRUE evidences out there, read the bible with an open mind and not what has just been taught to you and THEN argue points... it will be much more fruitful discussions than just planting your feet in place and argueing things you have no clue about......

    October 31, 2011 at 10:58 am |
    • Jimtanker

      All "evidence" for the historicity of Jebus has been refuted to death. Continue to beat that dead horse all you want, it wont get back up after being dead for three days either.

      October 31, 2011 at 11:01 am |
    • Free

      Josephus only mentions that there were people around during his time who claim to worship Christ ('the Christos'), and nobody disputes that Christians were around at that time. He makes no claim that Jesus was actually the Christ (meaning 'messiah') and certainly doesn't make any case for Jesus being God. He also happens to mention Hercules as being a historical figure, so if you accept him as an authority on one demigod, then you have to accept him as an authority on both, right?

      October 31, 2011 at 11:31 am |
    • fred

      Free what Josephas did was to confirm parts of the New Testament. Even if you strip out all the parts that Jews and non believers insist you still have some strong evidence:
      Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man ,for he was a doer of wonders.. He drew many after him. When Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men among us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day (Antiquities 18:63-64).

      I think it is amazing that all the effort from top Jewish leaders that controlled much of what was written could not erase the King of the Jews and what they did. It was the realization of what they did to Chirst that brought about a repentance and belief in Christ. Their hearts were pierced.

      October 31, 2011 at 5:18 pm |
    • Free

      fred
      Josephus himself was a Jew, and dedicated his writing to putting his people in the best light. If some of the Testimonium is authentic then other parts were added by Christian copyists, such as "If indeed one ought to call him a man", "He was the Christ" and "On the third day he appeared to them restored to life, for the prophets of God had prophesied these and countless other marvelous things about him." These are Christian testaments, and Josephus was certainly no Christian. Besides, he dedicates way more space to John the Baptist, and there are those Hercules references to make sense of. Once you clear away everything that almost certainly was added later by a Christian it reads as follows:

      "About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man...For he was one who performed paradoxical deeds and was the teacher of such people as accept the truth gladly. He won over many Jews [and many Greeks?]. He was [called] the Christ. When Pilate, upon hearing him accused by men of the highest standing among us, had condemned him to be crucified, those who had in the first place come to love him did not give up their affection for him...And the tribe of the Christians, so called after him, has still to this day not disappeared."

      Which isn't any more than to say that Christians were present at his time, and this is what they say about their origins.

      October 31, 2011 at 6:55 pm |
    • TR6

      Yes “read the bible with an open mind and not what has just been taught to you”. You will find just how sick and twisted the Christian god is. Man there is nasty stuff in the first 5 books. Evil, war, genocide, fratricide, ince$t, adultery, patricide, r_ape, child mole$tation and slaughter of the entire population of entire cities (every man, woman, child and even animal) in city after city … and that’s the good guys, with god’s blessing.

      November 1, 2011 at 6:49 pm |
  2. Jimtanker

    You will all go to the heII of the FSM if you continue in your disbelief in his Noodley Goodness. But fear not unbelievers, for the heII of the FSM is much like heaven with its beer volcano and strip-per factory. But be not deceived, for in the heII of the FMS the beer is always flat and the strip-pers all have STDs.

    So repent now and believe and you will be brought into his lasagneous folds.

    R’amen!!

    October 31, 2011 at 10:56 am |
  3. Jean

    You guys are really scared of Christians? Wow!

    October 31, 2011 at 9:12 am |
    • BoldGeorge

      No one should be scared or fear Christians. What you should most definitely fear is the God of the Christians...the One who gives life and takes it and has the power to bring you to heaven or cast you into hell. That's who you should fear.

      October 31, 2011 at 9:59 am |
    • Freethinksman

      They are a scary lot: They make claims to knowledge of things that can't be known, and they affect political discourse. Those two things are scary. Really scary. Religious zealots do things rational people would never do, and they feel as though they are right when nothing but their own faith is offered as evidence. Heck, they look forward to the end of the world. If a nuclear holocaust is akin to opening the door for a savior's return, were is the impetus to think about our childrens' future?

      That scares me.

      October 31, 2011 at 10:01 am |
    • Clay

      @BoldGeorge
      " What you should most definitely fear is the God of the Christians...the One who gives life and takes it and has the power to bring you to heaven or cast you into hell."
      You're image of this is way off... God doesn't chose who goes to Heaven or Hell, He gives us the choice. It's hard;y his fault that you choose wrong.

      @Freethinksman
      "They make claims to knowledge of things that can't be known"
      It's given to us in the bible, that's how we know these things.
      "and they affect political discourse."
      This is more aimed at the Catholics then Christians in general... The bible makes it clear that Christ's church should NOT pursue secular authority.
      "Religious zealots do things rational people would never do"
      Likje live a good life? Try to overcome personal human weaknesses? How is that something to fear?
      "and they feel as though they are right when nothing but their own faith is offered as evidence."
      And you think evolution and the big bang are a better answer? I tried Athiesm, but I just couldn't ignore the gaping holes in your theories.
      "Heck, they look forward to the end of the world."
      We look forward to Christ coming back.
      "If a nuclear holocaust is akin to opening the door for a savior's return, were is the impetus to think about our childrens' future?"
      What? Go back a few sentences, to where you targeted us for posting our beliefs as fact. Nice.

      October 31, 2011 at 10:15 am |
    • hippypoet

      your funny... any rational person would be fearful of large amounts of like-minded lunitics running around!

      October 31, 2011 at 10:19 am |
    • BoldGeorge

      Why should you be scared if you don't believe any of this? I mean, I hope you would believe but I can't force you to.

      October 31, 2011 at 10:24 am |
    • BoldGeorge

      Clay...God not only chooses, He judges. Yes, it's our choice who we choose to follow, and He makes a just judgment based upon your decision. So, I reiterate what I wrote: Fear Him. Please read what the bible says more accurately...

      Luke 12:5 – But I will warn you whom to fear: fear the One who, after He has killed, has authority to cast into hell; yes, I tell you, fear Him!

      October 31, 2011 at 10:56 am |
  4. Ted H

    I find it interesting that a fundamentalist christian would find Halloween evil while believing totally in an eternal post-mortum torture chamber called hell which awaits unrepentant sinners and unbelievers ! And as I understand it, those that are "saved" after death can happily gaze upon the condemned with gleeful satisfaction while they cook !

    October 31, 2011 at 8:27 am |
    • BoldGeorge

      You must have understood wrongly. No one in heaven will be able to gaze anyone cast into hell. No where in the bible does it state that; doesn't even make sense. Evil cannot and will not enter into heaven so no one will be "satisfied" about others being tortured elsewhere. The only rejoicing in heaven will be in the fact that we are saved and can enjoy being in the presence of our Lord for all eternity.

      October 31, 2011 at 10:05 am |
    • Free

      BoldGeorge
      Then how could the 'saved' be so sure that heaven is so exclusive, or that there really will be a hell if nobody is allowed to see it? I mean, everyone could end up in heaven by default any you'd never be the wiser, would you?

      October 31, 2011 at 4:51 pm |
    • Ted H

      Actually I borrowed the idea of relishing the sight of the damned burning in hell from one of the early Christian fathers, Tertullian, and later echoed by Thomas Aquinas. It is amazing how the establishment of a new religion can snowball out of control as time progresses with all sorts of elaborations....some of them quite demented.

      October 31, 2011 at 6:04 pm |
  5. Deb Ty

    Yes, their is a God, I have experiences his blessings many times. God does not create sickness and cancers, PEOPLE DO . Look what we have done to our world, smog, pollution, additives in foods, hormones added , this is NOT what we should be eating. We did this to ourselves and you blame God, Priceless. As for Halloween , I do NOT think its bad or wrong for kids to play dress up and trick or treat . The old ideas are outdated and kids do not see evil, its about fun for them. All Hallows eve, is not about children collecting candy, learn to read, it was based on satanic rituals , do you see your children doing this? If so, Than you have a problem. Let kids be kids , God loves you, and once you realize he is about Love , your life will change.

    October 31, 2011 at 8:26 am |
    • msdean

      Understand the truth about Halloween: it is a spiritual counterfeit! It is a pagan holiday. It is based on the worship of the dead. In short, Halloween is the trick, not the treat. It is the trick that has been played on an unsuspecting world. Fortunately, the Bible declares that the time will come when Jesus Christ will rule the entire world and the knowledge of God will cover the earth as the waters cover the sea (Isa. 11:9). In that day, people will honor God’s Sabbaths and His Holy Days. Once people begin to celebrate God’s true Holy Days, Halloween will begin to look "hollow" instead of "hallow."

      October 31, 2011 at 8:37 am |
    • huh

      "God does not create sickness and cancers, PEOPLE DO "

      LMAO! You're clueless about cancer – stop lying it's a sin. People do not create cancer – you're an idiot.

      October 31, 2011 at 8:45 am |
    • Free

      Deb Ty
      "Yes, their is a God, I have experiences his blessings many time"
      Or, you have felt very good and experienced good fortune on occasion, just as we all do, but you were taught to credit God with those things.

      huh
      Smoking is a human-caused source of cancer, and a genuine evil to boot IMHO.

      October 31, 2011 at 4:57 pm |
  6. john whittington

    Hollowed Eve was the name that most people give Holloween. It meant Holy Evening. The ancient Aztecs did not believe in the Christian Jesus or the Devil. Get over your selves for a moment and realize that there were other religions besides yours. The Aztecs believed that there was only one day a year in which the recently departed could be prayed into Heaven. They would celebrate the cross-over of their relatives. All religions have a Heaven and Earth. Some have it that the torment is here on Earth.

    October 31, 2011 at 7:48 am |
  7. Mike

    The more I see people bash christianity and the bible..the more it makes me wanna serve God! the bible is the only book thats always being debated I wonder why....hmmm!

    October 30, 2011 at 11:27 pm |
    • Al

      Because there are still gullible people out there willing to defend it?

      October 31, 2011 at 12:07 am |
    • Maria

      People bash the Bible because it is what Satan wants. He blinds the eyes of the unbelievers and that is why these churches turn a blind eye to what is wrong and condone things such as Christmas, Easter, Haloween etc because it pleases them. What about God? Do they do what pleases Him? No. By doing these things, they serve Satan. You can't be serving two gods. The true God exacts exclusive devotion, so we can't be sitting on the fence. So Mike, continue to search for the true religion that does not condone satanic worship

      October 31, 2011 at 2:35 am |
    • Jimtanker

      Or, you could stop believing in fairy tales and live your life based on logic and reason. Just be a good person and live a good life.

      October 31, 2011 at 4:51 am |
    • Al

      Maria
      "People bash the Bible because it is what Satan wants."
      And you know this because it's written in the Bible. Once again the circular logic is truly astounding.

      October 31, 2011 at 8:13 am |
  8. Reda Cavender

    If your (speaking to correspondents) faith and belief is such that it will be affected by what kids do on Oct 31st, then your belief & faith isn't well grounded.

    October 30, 2011 at 11:26 pm |
    • Eddie Q.

      Well said Reda! This shouldn't affect anyone with true faith!

      October 31, 2011 at 12:42 am |
    • Al

      Yes, if all the evidence and logic in the world against belief in gods doesn't affect "true faith", then some little kids dressed up as Angry Birds looking for treats surely won't.

      October 31, 2011 at 8:17 am |
  9. steward

    I find it amusing that most Christian denominations haven't changed the name of their god's resurrection yet from "Easter" to "Resurrection Day". The word "Easter" is derived from the name of a European Goddess of spring, "Eostre" (sometimes spelled "Ostara") whose totem animal is a hare. But then Christians co-opt so many things from Paganism... they wouldn't have much of a religion left if they didn't.

    October 30, 2011 at 8:35 pm |
    • James Brooks

      Add – get ready for this – Christmas to that list. what began as a winter festival of sorts has been adapted for Christian purposes. To make matter worse, as it's commonly known, we celebrate a birth that took place in June, not December.

      October 31, 2011 at 9:37 am |
  10. OakRockers

    I'm atheist. While I think that Halloween makes for a fun costume party, I can't understand why religious people believe in a supernatural world of good vs evil. There is absolutely zero evidence for it.

    October 30, 2011 at 7:46 pm |
    • Christian

      Take a look at my below comment (copied and pasted):

      All we need to do is take a good look at the life of Jesus to see that He was a man, but more than a man, He was God. When was the last time you saw a man walk on water, calm a storm, or make a man rise from the dead? Even Jesus Himself conquered death and rose again to ascend to Heaven.

      Think about the impact that Jesus has had on this world from the very moment of His birth; the way His life, death and resurrection have shaped world history, changed lives, and healed souls. No mere man could do this so we must say as the Roman soldier did at His crucifixion, “Surely this is the Son of God.”

      Philosophy says that our existence is based on that which we perceive existence to be. It is even suggested that maybe we do not exist as we think we do here, but on a different plane of reasoning not yet known to us. As God’s creation, we know God is real; all we have to do is take a good look.

      To all non-believers, Jesus made proof. He made undoubted history. Miracles happen all the time, apparitions of St. Mary above churches in Egypt- not a random white blob from a chemical reaction. How are we so intellectual, and why is Earth perfect? The big bang and a sudden form of existence? No. Only God could have created such a perfect life. It is sad to see non-believers without somebody to look up to when in times of need and trouble.

      I love God, he understands me and helps guide me. Christians all over the world are getting persecuted, whether it be online or physically. Look at the incidents happening at Egypt. When Christians and others Christians have converted end up in Heaven, they will be proud of what they have gone through for Christ's sake.

      No offense to all religions, just a comment from me and the Bible's perspective. Thanks for no rude comments.

      October 30, 2011 at 7:49 pm |
    • steward

      @Christian: You base your belief, so eloquently stated, on writings that were oral tradition for at least a hundred years after the one you believe in was executed for treason. (Assuming he really existed.) There is no proof there. There are thousands, perhaps millions of people who don't believe that the Kennedy assassination – in a time of television – happened the way it has been reported. And that's just 50 years ago. WTC 10 years ago. And the case of WMD's in Iraq being a lie or not.

      What reason do you have for belief -beyond- the Bible? Because, as proof, it stacks right up there with some of my co-religionist's rather ridiculous estimates of millions of Witches killed by Christians in the name of their god in the middle ages.

      October 30, 2011 at 8:41 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Christian, what you call proof has no basis in reality. When you can lay out some provable, verifiable or quantifiable facts, then you may have something. A piece of toast with a burn that kinda looks like you think Jesus looked like just doesn't cut it.

      October 30, 2011 at 11:06 pm |
    • Free

      Christian
      "All we need to do is take a good look at the life of Jesus to see that He was a man, but more than a man, He was God."
      But it all boils down to you're basing this belief on what's written in a book, right? Now, besides what the book itself says about its contents, why should anyone trust that this book is any more truthful than any other book?

      October 31, 2011 at 12:14 am |
    • Eddie Q.

      Can you prove that it DOESN'T exist?

      October 31, 2011 at 12:44 am |
    • Free

      Eddie Q.
      Not my job to prove that it doesn't exist. You all are making the claim, so it's up to you to make your case. All I, or anyone else, has to do is look at the claim as you've presented it and reject it for being unsupported by any objective evidence.

      October 31, 2011 at 8:23 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Christian
      "When was the last time you saw a man walk on water, calm a storm, or make a man rise from the dead? Even Jesus Himself conquered death and rose again to ascend to Heaven."
      I saw Criss Angel walk on water not long ago.
      The God Aeolus kept the storm-winds, squalls and tempests locked away in the hollows of the floating island of Aiolia.
      The Goddess Thetis resurrected her son Achilles from the dead.

      As for ascension to Heaven, though the Bible says "No man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. " (John 3:13), it also says "And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven" (2 Kings 2:11).
      The Prophet Muhammad ascended to heaven in the year 621.

      October 31, 2011 at 10:09 am |
  11. Harry Hayfield

    I used to live in a former chapel from 2002 to 2010 and during that time we only got one visit from trick or treaters in 2002 where we explained that we did not feel comfortable with the concept of Halloween in a former chapel. We have now moved to another house and will be asking trick or treaters to take the sweets we shall be offering, but to make a contrubution to a wounded warrior project

    October 30, 2011 at 7:38 pm |
    • Mr Chihuahua

      Hey go as a kill-joy this year, you won't need a costume lol!

      October 30, 2011 at 7:51 pm |
  12. Silver Fang

    I'm a Christian, but I think Halloween is OK as long as you stay away from the Satanic stuff. It's just a fun night to dress in a costume and go hunting for candy. What's so horrible about that?

    October 30, 2011 at 7:27 pm |
    • Free

      " stay away from the Satanic stuff"
      And just how many people do you imagine are performing animal sacrifices to Lucifer on Halloween?

      October 31, 2011 at 12:19 am |
    • Maria

      So, you're also sitting on the fence?? You can't be serving two gods. Whether you stay away from the "satanic" stuff doesn't matter ... you are still serving Satan by participating in Halloween, which the Bible does not condone.

      October 31, 2011 at 2:42 am |
    • Free

      Maria
      Where in the Bible does it even mention Halloween?

      October 31, 2011 at 8:25 am |
    • James Brooks

      Or, Free, told 5 and6- year olds they're going to Hell for celebrating Halloween?

      October 31, 2011 at 9:40 am |
  13. f.mina

    well said brother!!!
    God bless you for your courage!!1

    October 30, 2011 at 7:15 pm |
  14. Kimberly

    I would rather eat my Halloween Candy than drink the religous Kool-Aid

    October 30, 2011 at 7:15 pm |
    • Barry Cardonick

      Awesome comment!

      October 30, 2011 at 7:51 pm |
  15. KS

    no mention of dia de los muertos or all saints day? halloween IS a christian holiday in certain traditions. oh but then those silly protestants like to lie and deny that catholicism was the original flavor of christianity.

    October 30, 2011 at 7:13 pm |
    • Jay

      Here here!

      October 30, 2011 at 10:45 pm |
  16. Amy

    Interesting... considering Christianity stole all the Pagan holidays to begin with. Also funny how they still lie about everything Pagan being "devil worship" – which is the biggest lie ever. I was raised in the Christian faith, and the more I learned about it... sadly, the more I turned my nose from it. It's become nothing more than commercialism, and it's ridiculous! There are still sane Christians, but these crazy people who go way to far... do you realize how many people you are actually turning away from the faith? Knock it off, and just go away and do whatever you want – but stop it with the lies. Im so tired of religion anymore... used only for the basis of war most of the time.

    October 30, 2011 at 6:52 pm |
    • Kimberly

      Amen Amy!

      October 30, 2011 at 7:05 pm |
    • Jay

      Ya know, I was raised the same way, as a southern baptist. And had a very similar wake up call. Though I still believe in Christ and God. I keep it mostly to myself. Churches are nothing more than buisnesses now. Full of hypocrisy. So I left. Havent been back since...thats been almost 13 years now. Id like to think Im one of the sane Christians out there. But according to the "real" Christians, Im just a wayward child =\ oh well.

      October 30, 2011 at 10:54 pm |
    • Al

      Demonizing the enemy, which they see in everyone and everything non-Christian, is just one of the many propaganda techniques that the ultra-conservative fundamentalists use.

      October 31, 2011 at 12:23 am |
  17. Christian

    All we need to do is take a good look at the life of Jesus to see that He was a man, but more than a man, He was God. When was the last time you saw a man walk on water, calm a storm, or make a man rise from the dead? Even Jesus Himself conquered death and rose again to ascend to Heaven.

    Think about the impact that Jesus has had on this world from the very moment of His birth; the way His life, death and resurrection have shaped world history, changed lives, and healed souls. No mere man could do this so we must say as the Roman soldier did at His crucifixion, “Surely this is the Son of God.”

    Philosophy says that our existence is based on that which we perceive existence to be. It is even suggested that maybe we do not exist as we think we do here, but on a different plane of reasoning not yet known to us. As God’s creation, we know God is real; all we have to do is take a good look.

    To all non-believers, Jesus made proof. He made undoubted history. Miracles happen all the time, apparitions of St. Mary above churches in Egypt- not a random white blob from a chemical reaction. How are we so intellectual, and why is Earth perfect? The big bang and a sudden form of existence? No. Only God could have created such a perfect life. It is sad to see non-believers without somebody to look up to when in times of need and trouble.

    I love God, he understands me and helps guide me. Christians all over the world are getting persecuted, whether it be online or physically. Look at the incidents happening at Egypt. When Christians and others Christians have converted end up in Heaven, they will be proud of what they have gone through for Christ's sake.

    No offense to all religions, just a comment from me and the Bible's perspective. Thanks for no rude comments.

    October 30, 2011 at 6:50 pm |
    • Amy

      Proof? Where is this proof?

      October 30, 2011 at 6:52 pm |
    • Christian

      Check out the Bible: Your #1 Non-fiction history book. Also take a look at this website, summarizes the main points in quite a bit instead of having to read the whole bible or picking certain quotes: http://www.everystudent.com/features/isthere.html

      October 30, 2011 at 6:56 pm |
    • Christian

      Also hit up Youtube, some apparitions were recorded although most were quite a while ago, so video quality isn't terrific. Probably on news platforms too.

      October 30, 2011 at 6:57 pm |
    • *frank*

      "Only God could have created such a perfect life."
      Have you ever seen a severely deformed baby who has zero chance of being kept alive? Have you ever seen a little girl die in agony of brain cancer? Go fuck yourself, idiot.

      October 30, 2011 at 6:59 pm |
    • Brenda , Saint John, NB Canada

      Continue in the faith you have known and believe since you were a child and that God is love and Christians do better not to quarrel over details of untruths and topics of this nature...God bless....

      October 30, 2011 at 7:00 pm |
    • Christian

      Have you ever heard of tribulations and unfortunate accidents? God always does things for a reason. That baby may have suffered his/her whole life if she wasn't taken early. And she most likely entered the Kingdom of God. My beloved friend got into a car accident and was taken by God. Why? For a reason. I believe she was taken because of her humbleness and joy she found loving God. She will always be missed, although am glad she is enjoying her life in Heaven.

      October 30, 2011 at 7:04 pm |
    • Christian

      And Frank, I asked for no rude comments. Please respect that, I am not trying to offend anybody. Please do me a favor and not offend me back. Thanks.

      October 30, 2011 at 7:05 pm |
    • f.mina

      well said, brother!!!
      God bless you for your courage!!!

      October 30, 2011 at 7:14 pm |
    • Christian

      @F.Mina, may God bless you too.

      October 30, 2011 at 7:16 pm |
    • Mike

      Couldnt say any better ! your soo right!

      October 30, 2011 at 11:19 pm |
    • tallulah13

      You ask for no rude comments, but by posting on a public forum, you will probably get them anyway. I have certainly had my share from christians, but that's okay. We are free to speak as we choose.

      You talk of proof, but provide no evidence. A video on youtube is far from proof. Have you ever watched Mythbusters? They have dedicated hours of time debunking youtube videos. Digital technology is so advanced that pretty much anything can be convincingly faked, even "old" footage.

      You obviously have no reality-based knowledge whatsoever about the universe or life on earth. The life we have on earth was formed by the conditions on earth. The earth wasn't made for us. We were made by the earth. That much is obvious by the anthropological record that shows that the life which succeeds adapts to it's environment.

      There is no proof that any god, even yours, has ever existed, but there is plenty evidence to indicate that gods are particular to cultures and locations. Did you never wonder why knowledge of your god has never been found anywhere that humans didn't take it first? Why did your "jealous" god take 1500 years to make it to the New World? Why did god not give the peoples of the Americas a chance to know him before they were decimated by disease or European invaders? Why does an all-powerful god need missionaries?

      A lot of people are persecuted. Just ask the lesbians in South Africa who are being ra.ped because of their orientation. Christians like to pretend they are special but any cultural minority can be seen as prey. In America, some christians are trying to keep gays and lesbians for having equal rights. In the right place, at the right time, anyone can be persecuted, or be the persecutor.

      October 30, 2011 at 11:35 pm |
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      Christian
      "Check out the Bible: Your #1 Non-fiction history book."
      And how do you know it's non-fiction and actually history? Because it makes that claim in its own pages? That's called circular logic, my friend.

      October 31, 2011 at 12:27 am |
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      Brenda , Saint John, NB Canada
      "Continue in the faith you have known and believe since you were a child"
      Children also are led to believe in the Easter Bunny, Santa, the Tooth Fairy, and a number of other characters, including God.

      October 31, 2011 at 8:30 am |
  18. Drew

    It is to bad that Christianity is the biggest Cult on the planet....And because of it we have had more wars and murder and famine and hunger and ignorance and racism and persecution.Than any other religion or cult in history.

    October 30, 2011 at 6:39 pm |
    • Christian

      You can think about it this way: Because Christians are telling the truth, they are being persecuted of their rights and wars caused by others happen because of this. Just Google what's been happening in Egypt and you'll understand. Not saying 100% of Christians are actually living up to their religion. Some are just Christians by their names, not actions.

      October 30, 2011 at 6:52 pm |
    • Allandnnn@gmail.com

      drew the problem is they make up what they want like everyone else does and then claim its true just like any other religion the good news is no religion lasts forever the bad news is we have to deal with the current idiots we can all agree that there are parts of reality we don't understand. Yet christians will always denounce something they denounce that Muslims aren't christians like different ideas make you not a christian when you worship the same god (worshiping one god makes you he best thing since buttered bread) as for the bible it was written by man most of all the stories can be found in older non christian religions in a different form and just for the record several religions equate their avatar of a god to be born on December 25 sooner or later the media is gonna have to deal with fact from fiction and go thru all the old religions and just show how unoriginal christians really are

      October 30, 2011 at 7:30 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Christian: Considering how many denominations there are of christianity, you don't know the "truth" either.

      October 30, 2011 at 11:41 pm |
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      Christian
      "Some are just Christians by their names, not actions."
      But pretty much all of them believe that they are genuine Christians, including those you would judge as not, and those who would judge you likewise, right? Too often, those who cry loudest that they are his true followers are the least like Jesus. They are like modern-day Pharisees, pointing at other people's shortcomings while ignoring their own.

      October 31, 2011 at 12:35 am |
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      Allandnnn@gmail.com
      "when you worship the same god"
      I think it's easier for Muslims and Jews to agree that they are actually worshipping the same god, but it would be difficult for either of these strict monotheisms to accept the Christian triune god that includes a divine Jesus as being the same god as theirs.

      October 31, 2011 at 9:58 am |
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      Christian
      Seems like you're forgetting some aspects of Muslim-Coptic relations in Egypt. Thousands of Muslims stood as human shields outside of Coptic churches during their Christmas celebrations this year, and Coptic Christians have also shielded Muslims during prayer. If anything, the attacks there are a testament to the degree of cooperation that moderates of all religious traditions can enjoy in opposition to the threat of fundamentalists. Let's hope that this spirit of cooperation spreads here.

      Also, you seem to be confusing Christianity's inability to be taken seriously as as a form of persecution. If that's the case then astrologers, mentalists, mediums and other soothsayers are also being persecuted in this country, right?

      October 31, 2011 at 10:26 am |
  19. Black Ron

    Smile, there is most likely no God at all.

    October 30, 2011 at 6:39 pm |
    • Barry Cardonick

      I'm smiling!

      October 30, 2011 at 7:50 pm |
  20. Dee Hunter

    You are only celebrating what is in your heart...It has never been anything more to me than a night out for fun...my children..nor I for that matter..were ever taught it had a meaning other than just having fun...I think those who do 'hell houses' are just taking it too far...!!!

    October 30, 2011 at 6:39 pm |
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