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November 2nd, 2011
10:24 AM ET

What terrifies an atheist

(CNN) -  Famed filmmaker John Landis brought the world "An American Werewolf in Paris" and Michael Jackson's "Thriller," but nothing scares him more than people.

In this video the avowed atheist, tells CNN's Nima Elbagir why he thinks “we make stuff up” about monsters, religion, and the devil.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Atheism • Belief • Movies

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  1. Colin

    So, OGR and Chad a/k/a Team righto, Why did Jesus own prediiction about his second coming not come true?

    MAT 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

    MAR 13:30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.

    LUK 21:32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.

    Your sky-fairy cannot even predict his own future conduct.

    November 2, 2011 at 2:25 pm |
    • JoeProfet

      Colin, He wsa speaking of the generation that will witness "all these things." That means, if you read and udnerstand these predictions is to say that the generation when all of these things being to happen will not pass until the very last of "these things" happens and then they will witness the coming of the Son of Man (a/k/a Jesus). Sorry you can't understand that beyond the letters written in the books you referenced, but if you wish to have understanding, you only need to seek the truth from the author who inspired the writings. Of that much I'm certain you are not humble enough to accomplish...but that's entirely up to your willingness to know the truth.

      November 2, 2011 at 2:35 pm |
    • Our God Reigns

      If you read it all he is speaking of the generation that sees the signs that he gives us. That appears to be US. It's coming just keep watching and waiting!

      November 2, 2011 at 2:36 pm |
    • Team righto

      Thanks JP.
      Colin-God is not a sky fairy, learn to reverence GOD.

      November 2, 2011 at 2:39 pm |
    • Our God Rains and Snows and Earthquakes

      God is a sky fairy, and is complete fiction. If he existed, he'd have to be a total ass-hole for all the disasters and cruelty he is responsible for, not to mention threats of eternal tor-ture for minor transgressions in a short mortal life. What a bas-tard.

      Take your Christian sky fairy stories and shove them where the sun don't shine.

      November 2, 2011 at 2:45 pm |
    • Our God Rains and Snows and Earthquakes

      The mere fact than we can interpret the "word of god" differently means that Christian god isn't omnipotent and isn't perfect as claimed. For this and other reasons, Christian god doesn't exist.

      Or maybe he needs a better marketing department. Team wrongo isn't helping matters.

      November 2, 2011 at 2:48 pm |
    • Entil'za

      It's funny how ppl who would normally call for civility, restraint, logic and reason....but then will use irrational terms just to try and make ppl angry.

      November 2, 2011 at 4:02 pm |
    • Chad

      Good example of how atheists cherry pick/distort scripture. Really, it's extremely intellectually dishonest.

      I'm going to provide the entire context of one as a demonstration of why that is so dangerous.

      As you can see below, Mark 13:30 "Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened" is talking about the destruction of the temple in 70 AD, note that it is immediately followed by an admonition that NO ONE KNOWS when the end times (the second coming of Jesus) will occur.

      Mark 13:
      The Destruction of the Temple and Signs of the End Times
      1 As Jesus was leaving the temple, one of his disciples said to him, “Look, Teacher! What massive stones! What magnificent buildings!” “Do you see all these great buildings?” replied Jesus. “Not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.” 3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter, James, John and Andrew asked him privately, 4 “Tell us, when will these things happen? And what will be the sign that they are all about to be fulfilled?” 5 Jesus said to them: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 6 Many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am he,’ and will deceive many. 7 When you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 8 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be earthquakes in various places, and famines. These are the beginning of birth pains. 9 “You must be on your guard. You will be handed over to the local councils and flogged in the synagogues. On account of me you will stand before governors and kings as witnesses to them. 10 And the gospel must first be preached to all nations. 11 Whenever you are arrested and brought to trial, do not worry beforehand about what to say. Just say whatever is given you at the time, for it is not you speaking, but the Holy Spirit. 12 “Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child. Children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death. 13 Everyone will hate you because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14 “When you see ‘the abomination that causes desolation’[a] standing where it[b] does not belong—let the reader understand—then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 15 Let no one on the housetop go down or enter the house to take anything out. 16 Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 17 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 18 Pray that this will not take place in winter, 19 because those will be days of distress unequaled from the beginning, when God created the world, until now—and never to be equaled again. 20 “If the Lord had not cut short those days, no one would survive. But for the sake of the elect, whom he has chosen, he has shortened them. 21 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘Look, there he is!’ do not believe it. 22 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 23 So be on your guard; I have told you everything ahead of time. 24 “But in those days, following that distress, “‘the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; 25 the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’[c] 26 “At that time people will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. 27 And he will send his angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens. 28 “Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 29 Even so, when you see these things happening, you know that it[d] is near, right at the door. 30 Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 31 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

      The Day and Hour Unknown of the Second Coming
      32 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. 33 Be on guard! Be alert[e]! You do not know when that time will come. 34 It’s like a man going away: He leaves his house and puts his servants in charge, each with their assigned task, and tells the one at the door to keep watch. 35 “Therefore keep watch because you do not know when the owner of the house will come back—whether in the evening, or at midnight, or when the rooster crows, or at dawn. 36 If he comes suddenly, do not let him find you sleeping. 37 What I say to you, I say to everyone: ‘Watch!’”

      November 2, 2011 at 7:05 pm |
    • *frank*

      horse sh!t.

      November 2, 2011 at 7:08 pm |
    • Chad

      oops, cut and paste error. this line "The Day and Hour Unknown of the Second Coming" should have come directly BEFORE "v24 “But in those days, following that distress"

      that was the demarcation between His discussion of the destruction of the temple, and the second coming, as can clearly be seen by the "following that distress" reference.

      November 2, 2011 at 7:09 pm |
    • Chad

      @*frank* "horse [manure]."

      pretty typical atheistic data driven rebuttal...

      November 2, 2011 at 7:15 pm |
    • hippypoet

      well CHAD, you shouldn't insult us all with such ignorance on your lips...i have seen frank's replies and sometimes he isn't just out for a laugh but argues very well. And if its an argument that uses fact and historic events then by all means, lets go! but dont just mean mean for no good reason, afterall, aren't you a christian – don't they believe judge not and crap. LOL
      no worries, your pride is showing thru...might wanna see to that!

      November 2, 2011 at 7:20 pm |
  2. Our God Reigns

    (13) One prophet of God (unnamed, but probably Shemiah) said that a future king of Judah, named Josiah, would take the bones of all the occultic priests (priests of the "high places") of Israel's King Jeroboam and burn them on Jeroboam's altar (1 Kings 13:2 and 2 Kings 23:15-18). This event occurred approximately 300 years after it was foretold.

    (Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 1013).

    November 2, 2011 at 2:08 pm |
    • hippypoet

      the chance of someone saying something and then years later a person who knows of the words does them to an exacting nature – and then calls it a forefullment of a prophecy – 100%

      chance you having somekind of mental disorder – 85%
      chance anyone cares – 0%

      November 2, 2011 at 2:13 pm |
    • Team righto

      Our God Reigns-Thanks, amazing truth with the probablity factor.

      November 2, 2011 at 2:14 pm |
    • hippypoet

      its sad that you even amoungst fellow believers need to create a false handle to agree with your clearly dimwitted posts... just sad.

      November 2, 2011 at 2:18 pm |
    • Team righto

      @OGR-Forgot to add, now that terrifies the atheist, it hurt hippy's brain so much, he didn't know how to respond.

      November 2, 2011 at 2:18 pm |
    • Team righto

      hippy-I always wondered how can a created being refuse to see its maker, i now fully understand. You are refusing to acknowledge me as a separate *sole entty*, how can I expect you to believe in the Almighty GOD?

      You are a classic Psalm 14:1 character.

      for the n'th time again, OGR and Chad are not *me*

      November 2, 2011 at 2:24 pm |
    • hippypoet

      yup ya got me!.... how about posting something that you believe and debate it with me? how about that? Oh and you seem to like ancient prophecies so check out the mayan prophecies – way more detail and have come true more times then anything in your book!

      November 2, 2011 at 2:25 pm |
    • Chuckles

      @chad/Team Righto/ I think Our God Reigns,

      Come on now, you can do better than that.... right?

      November 2, 2011 at 2:25 pm |
    • Observer

      Team righto,

      "Our God Reigns-Thanks, amazing truth with the probablity factor."

      Sorry, but the "probability factor" is pure nonsense and wild guesses. Besides that, the validity of the stories is hugely in doubt. The Bible was written MANY years later and it becomes really easy to be a prophet AFTER the fact.

      November 2, 2011 at 2:33 pm |
    • Our God Reigns

      hippypoet..........satan gives his followers the ability to foresee the future too, ie. soothsayers, fortune tellers, etc....sometimes they are right, it so then 2012 is fastly approaching so better for you to be safe than sorry. Try God!

      November 2, 2011 at 2:34 pm |
    • Observer

      So is 2012 supposed to mean anything? It's from South American Indians who never heard of God. You know, some of the millions of people that God let go to hell because they never heard of him.

      November 2, 2011 at 2:37 pm |
    • Fallacy Spotting 101

      Prior post by O.G. Reigns is common fallacy known as Pascal's Wager.

      http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/theism/wager.html

      Earlier posts by same author are largely ad hominem

      http://www.fallacyfiles.org/adhomine.html

      November 2, 2011 at 2:41 pm |
    • Fin

      Proof please?..... Fact, not fiction.

      November 2, 2011 at 3:36 pm |
  3. Our God Reigns

    9) Jeremiah predicted that despite its fertility and despite the accessibility of its water supply, the land of Edom (today a part of Jordan) would become a barren, uninhabited wasteland (Jeremiah 49:15-20; Ezekiel 25:12-14). His description accurately tells the history of that now bleak region.

    (Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 105.)

    --------------------------–

    (10) Joshua prophesied that Jericho would be rebuilt by one man. He also said that the man's eldest son would die when the reconstruction began and that his youngest son would die when the work reached completion (Joshua 6:26). About five centuries later this prophecy found its fulfillment in the life and family of a man named Hiel (1 Kings 16:33-34).

    (Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 107).

    --------------------------–

    (11) The day of Elijah's supernatural departure from Earth was predicted unanimously—and accurately, according to the eye-witness account—by a group of fifty prophets (2 Kings 2:3-11).

    (Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 109).

    --------------------------–

    (12) Jahaziel prophesied that King Jehoshaphat and a tiny band of men would defeat an enormous, well-equipped, well-trained army without even having to fight. Just as predicted, the King and his troops stood looking on as their foes were supernaturally destroyed to the last man (2 Chronicles 20).

    (Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 108).

    November 2, 2011 at 2:08 pm |
    • Observer

      You don't have a clue in the world what probability is if you think these "probability" statistics are anything other than someone's wild GUESS.

      November 2, 2011 at 2:10 pm |
    • Our God Reigns

      When have you ever predicted anything that came true?

      November 2, 2011 at 2:11 pm |
    • Observer

      I CORRECTLY predicted that you would have no answer to my question of what history book or science book supports your claim about the Bible being historically accurate, like when it comes to talking snakes and unicorns.

      November 2, 2011 at 2:13 pm |
    • Our God Reigns

      Here's a book you should relate to ----Atheist-turned-Christian Lee Strobel, the former award-winning legal editor of The Chicago Tribune, is a New York Times best-selling author of nearly twenty books and has been interviewed on numerous national television programs, including ABC's 20/20, Fox News, and CNN.

      Described by the Washington Post as "one of the evangelical community's most popular apologists," Lee shared the prestigious Charles "Kip" Jordon Christian Book of the Year award in 2005 for a curriculum he co-authored about the movie The Passion of the Christ. He also has won awards for his books The Case for Christ, The Case for Faith, The Case for a Creator, and Inside the Mind of Unchurched Harry and Mary.

      Lee was educated at the University of Missouri (Bachelor of Journalism degree, 1974) and Yale Law School (Master of Studies in Law degree, 1979). He was a professional journalist for 14 years at The Chicago Tribune and other newspapers, winning Illinois' top honors for investigative reporting (which he shared with a team he led) and public service journalism from United Press International.

      After a nearly two-year investigation of the evidence for Jesus, Lee received Christ as his forgiver and leader in 1981. He joined the staff of Willow Creek Community Church in South Barrington, IL, in 1987, and later became a teaching pastor there. He joined Saddleback Valley Community Church in Lake Forest, CA, as a teaching pastor in 2000. He left Saddleback's staff in mid-2002 to focus on writing. He is also a contributing editor and columnist for Outreach magazine.

      November 2, 2011 at 2:17 pm |
    • Observer

      Every answer, when you are not AVOIDING answering, is either "read the Bible that I can't directly quote myself" or a cut-and-paste.

      November 2, 2011 at 2:20 pm |
    • Our God Reigns

      facts are facts cut and pasted or not. Face it!

      November 2, 2011 at 2:25 pm |
    • Observer

      Our God Reigns

      "facts are facts cut and pasted or not. Face it!"

      Yes and the "probability" you keep reporting are not FACTS. There can be a huge difference between a FACT and a WILD GUESS. You provided wild guesses.

      November 2, 2011 at 2:29 pm |
    • Mat Hatter

      Our God,

      If you haven't read the refutations of Lee Strobel's work you are not finished researching or learning:

      This book consists largely of "interviews" of prominent Christian apologists – no secular scholars of any note, just apologists.

      http://www.bidstrup.com/apologetics.htm
      and
      http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jeff_lowder/strobel-rev.html

      November 2, 2011 at 3:30 pm |
  4. Observer

    Our God Reigns,

    – II Chronicles 2:22 “Ahaziah was forty-two years old when he became king, and he reigned one year in Jerusalem.”
    – II Kings 8:26 “Ahaziah was twenty-two years old when he became king, and he ruled from Jerusalem for only one
    year.”

    Next, you'll be claiming that the Bible mentions the word "abortion".

    November 2, 2011 at 2:06 pm |
    • Our God Reigns

      Thou shalt not kill.

      November 2, 2011 at 2:11 pm |
    • Observer

      Our God Reigns,

      Wrong. The Bible never mentions the word "abortion". Please start reading it so you will know what you are talking about.

      Actually, the Bible offers more to SUPPORT ABORTION than oppose abortion. Again, read it.

      November 2, 2011 at 2:17 pm |
    • Zeke2112

      "Thou shalt not kill."

      Tell that to David. I'm still waiting for his trial for murdering Goliath.

      Christians have no problem killing in the name of (snicker) god.

      November 29, 2011 at 9:30 am |
  5. Our God Reigns

    (7) The exact location and construction sequence of Jerusalem's nine suburbs was predicted by Jeremiah about 2600 years ago. He referred to the time of this building project as "the last days," that is, the time period of Israel's second rebirth as a nation in the land of Palestine (Jeremiah 31:38-40). This rebirth became history in 1948, and the construction of the nine suburbs has gone forward precisely in the locations and in the sequence predicted.

    (Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 1018.)

    --------------------------–

    (8) The prophet Moses foretold (with some additions by Jeremiah and Jesus) that the ancient Jewish nation would be conquered twice and that the people would be carried off as slaves each time, first by the Babylonians (for a period of 70 years), and then by a fourth world kingdom (which we know as Rome). The second conqueror, Moses said, would take the Jews captive to Egypt in ships, selling them or giving them away as slaves to all parts of the world. Both of these predictions were fulfilled to the letter, the first in 607 B.C. and the second in 70 A.D. God's spokesmen said, further, that the Jews would remain scattered throughout the entire world for many generations, but without becoming assimilated by the peoples or of other nations, and that the Jews would one day return to the land of Palestine to re-establish for a second time their nation (Deuteronomy 29; Isaiah 11:11-13; Jeremiah 25:11; Hosea 3:4-5 and Luke 21:23-24).

    This prophetic statement sweeps across 3500 years of history to its complete fulfillment—in our lifetime.

    (Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 120.)

    November 2, 2011 at 2:00 pm |
    • hippypoet

      you are not very smart. all the things you are talking about can be MADE to forfull the prophecy being that the story was umm i don't know 2600 years old already! so far you have on;y proven yourself to be a dum b@ss

      November 2, 2011 at 2:05 pm |
    • Our God Reigns

      again the books of the bible were not written at the same time or by the same human hand. His birth was prophesied many years beforehand.

      November 2, 2011 at 2:06 pm |
    • Colin

      OGR- What were Jesus' last words?

      MAT 27:46,50: "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" ...Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost."

      LUK 23:46: "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, "Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:" and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."

      JOH 19:30: "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished:" and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."

      Chances of the Bible being right on amything material -1 in 10,000

      November 2, 2011 at 2:08 pm |
    • hippypoet

      yeah my birth was also prophesied by my parents...twice... the first time they said – i hope we are not prego – and the second time was nearly 9 months before i was born and it went something like this – sh!t – amazing how they knew i was coming! must be a miraicle sry i care not for spelling!

      November 2, 2011 at 2:09 pm |
    • Our God Reigns

      These books were written by three different authors. Just like today when we retell stories, not everyone tells it the exact same way but it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

      November 2, 2011 at 2:10 pm |
    • Our God Reigns

      hundreds of years?

      November 2, 2011 at 2:12 pm |
    • Colin

      OGR – hmmm, within 30 minutes you have gone from claiming the bible is "100% accurate" to admitting it isn't and using different authors as the excuse.

      BTW, who wrote the Gospel of Matthew?

      November 2, 2011 at 2:20 pm |
    • fred

      Colin
      Jesus words you show at the crucifixion conclude the purpose of the cross and are consistent with the story of redemption. The order does not change or degrade the truth of the Bible anymore than the different ordering of hominids affects the theory of evolution. Let's be fair.

      November 2, 2011 at 3:42 pm |
    • J.W

      I have read that the author of Matthew is unknown, but the other did use various things that Matthew did write.

      November 2, 2011 at 5:09 pm |
    • fred

      J.W
      Schools today teach skeptical review of anything related to Christ. In that process that which for 1500 years has been accepted as true is now deemed false unless overwhelming evidence is produced to the contrary. Under this type of approach even Alexander the Greats very existence is brought into suspect.
      The Gospel of Matthew was written by Levi a customs officer for the Romans. Jesus called him Matthew. Matthew was the most read of the early church Gospels. Some think the Church only coined “the Gospel of Matthew” since an author was not mentioned.

      November 2, 2011 at 6:28 pm |
  6. Our God Reigns

    (3) In the fifth century B.C. a prophet named Zechariah declared that the Messiah would be betrayed for the price of a slave—thirty pieces of silver, according to Jewish law-and also that this money would be used to buy a burial ground for Jerusalem's poor foreigners (Zechariah 11:12-13). Bible writers and secular historians both record thirty pieces of silver as the sum paid to Judas Iscariot for betraying Jesus, and they indicate that the money went to purchase a "potter's field," used—just as predicted—for the burial of poor aliens (Matthew 27:3-10).

    (Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 1011.)

    --------------------------–

    (4) Some 400 years before crucifixion was invented, both Israel's King David and the prophet Zechariah described the Messiah's death in words that perfectly depict that mode of execution. Further, they said that the body would be pierced and that none of the bones would be broken, contrary to customary procedure in cases of crucifixion (Psalm 22 and 34:20; Zechariah 12:10). Again, historians and New Testament writers confirm the fulfillment: Jesus of Nazareth died on a Roman cross, and his extraordinarily quick death eliminated the need for the usual breaking of bones. A spear was thrust into his side to verify that he was, indeed, dead.

    (Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 1013.)

    November 2, 2011 at 1:59 pm |
    • Observer

      "Anyone can copy a bunch of nonsense that they have no clue about"

      – Our God Reigns

      November 2, 2011 at 2:01 pm |
    • Our God Reigns

      That's the difference, I do have a clue about it! I've read the book and I know that it is coming to past as we speak.

      November 2, 2011 at 2:03 pm |
  7. Our God Reigns

    (2) In approximately 700 B.C. the prophet Micah named the tiny village of Bethlehem as the birthplace of Israel's Messiah (Micah 5:2). The fulfillment of this prophecy in the birth of Christ is one of the most widely known and widely celebrated facts in history.

    (Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 105.)

    November 2, 2011 at 1:58 pm |
    • Chuckles

      It becomes a lot easier to fulfill it when you know the prophacy and, like what Joseph and Mary did when they for a very dumb reason traveled from Nazareth to Bethlahem just to have jesus. Couple that with other prophecies that are clearly shoehorned to fit jesus by the gospels (jesus being the son of kings) and fullfillment of a singular prophecy becomes downright easy.

      November 2, 2011 at 2:01 pm |
    • hippypoet

      yup, and according to your moron manual it says that joe daddy to the J man traveled with his prego wife to bathlaham for what reason??? ah thats right so she could give birth and full the prophecy... sounds pretty clear that joe knew his wife was prego yet travels supposedly during winter, at night, to the place said to be the birthplace of the god on earth 700 years before the man was alive... yea, sounds like a bit ch to forfull on purpose! NOT!

      November 2, 2011 at 2:01 pm |
    • Our God Reigns

      They traveled for the census. Read the book!

      November 2, 2011 at 2:05 pm |
    • Mat Hatter

      Our God,

      There is no verified evidence that this biblical Jesus person was born in Bethlehem... other than the stories in the NT. Don't you think that the writers of the NT read the OT prophecies? Slick to 'fulfill' them by just writing it up.

      November 2, 2011 at 2:05 pm |
    • GodPot

      "(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 105.)"

      I really would love to know where you got that statistic, er... maybe I don't because I can see already your hands are all brown from all the shtatistics youv'e been shoveling.

      By the way, you may want to add to your calculations: Number of people born in Bethlehem over the last 2000 years along with several other factors that make your conclusion go beyond ridiculous.

      November 2, 2011 at 2:07 pm |
    • Our God Reigns

      GodPot.... disprove it then!

      November 2, 2011 at 2:14 pm |
    • Chuckles

      @OGR

      Explain to me how a census works again then? You see, if it works like it did apparently in the bible that one time, then in 2010 I would have been forced to travel back to cleveland, it being the home of my father, in order to fill it out because apparently thats what you have to do....??

      Also, Bethlehem is important to Joseph for another reason, right? What was that reason again?

      November 2, 2011 at 2:14 pm |
    • Observer

      Anyone familiar with statistical methods knows that any "probability" statistics for predictions coming true are nothing more than wild GUESSES. They have no statistical validity.

      November 2, 2011 at 2:48 pm |
    • GodPot

      Our God Reigns has a 1 in 1 chance of being an idiot. Since I made the statement, and as one of the many non-idiots still in the world, I have the burden of proof. My proof is pretty much everything you have said so far on these boards. Now your turn. Make a statement like "theres a 1 in 105" chance that Jesus would be Jesus and be born in Bethlehem and then back it up with something, anything, that would at least get a person with half a brain to pause a moment before discounting your moronic position. Your statement is akin to a panel of superior court judges giving their opinion on womens rights and you there at the end pipe up and say into the mic "uhhh, chicken butt". That is about how much you know about your own bible.

      November 2, 2011 at 2:56 pm |
    • Fin

      Again, WHERE IS THE PROOF??.......

      It's all FICTION..... written by man.

      November 2, 2011 at 4:14 pm |
  8. JoeProfet

    These are pointless arguments that bring virtually no value to anyone. The Christians that are quoting scriptures, you are doing so in vein because the non-believer has already made their choice. The atheist that bashes Christianity or religion, you are just being an instigator is all and serve no value either. Probably best that the Christians continue to read, study, and rightly divide the word and seek God's discernment of it while doing your best to follow His Will. The atheists should continue to do whatever it is that you do...other than being antagonistic. CNN, just needs to report the news and not try and make news out of no news!

    November 2, 2011 at 1:54 pm |
    • Chuckles

      You haven't been reading this blog for very long have you? I won't even remotely deny that you say is true in a sense. A believer quoting scripture in hopes of convincing an atheist that they are right is iditotic, the same is true for an atheist to bash christianity won't exactly make a believer think to reject their religion from a singular blog post. However, many also come to debate the finer points of religion AND science, to learn different things they wouldn't otherwise learn and generally chat, debate, argue about a subject that intrigues them.

      November 2, 2011 at 1:58 pm |
    • Our God Reigns

      And in hopes of stirring the curiosity of an Atheist to the point that the find Jesus Christ. It's all worth it then!

      November 2, 2011 at 2:02 pm |
  9. Colin

    So godreigns, your bible is 100% accurate, hey? Perhaps you can explain the following:

    Who incited David to count the fighting men of Israel?
    (a) God did (2 Samuel 24: 1)
    (b) Satan did (I Chronicles 2 1:1)
    In that count how many fighting men were found in Israel?
    (a) Eight hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
    (b) One million, one hundred thousand (IChronicles 21:5)
    How many fighting men were found in Judah?
    (a) Five hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
    (b) Four hundred and seventy thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)
    God sent his prophet to threaten David with how many years of famine?
    (a) Seven (2 Samuel 24:13)
    (b) Three (I Chronicles 21:12)
    How old was Ahaziah when he began to rule over Jerusalem?
    (a) Twenty-two (2 Kings 8:26)
    (b) Forty-two (2 Chronicles 22:2)
    How old was Jehoiachin when he became king of Jerusalem?
    (a) Eighteen (2 Kings 24:8)
    (b) Eight (2 Chronicles 36:9)
    How long did he rule over Jerusalem?
    (a) Three months (2 Kings 24:8)
    (b) Three months and ten days (2 Chronicles 36:9)
    The chief of the mighty men of David lifted up his spear and killed how many men at one time?
    (a) Eight hundred (2 Samuel 23:8)
    (b) Three hundred (I Chronicles 11: 11)
    When did David bring the Ark of the Covenant to Jerusalem? Before defeating the Philistines or after?
    (a) After (2 Samuel 5 and 6)
    (b) Before (I Chronicles 13 and 14)
    How many pairs of clean animals did God tell Noah to take into the Ark?
    (a) Two (Genesis 6:19, 20)
    (b) Seven (Genesis 7:2). But despite this last instruction only two pairs went into the ark (Genesis 7:8-9)
    When David defeated the King of Zobah, how many horsemen did he capture?
    (a) One thousand and seven hundred (2 Samuel 8:4)
    (b) Seven thousand (I Chronicles 18:4)
    How many stalls for horses did Solomon have?
    (a) Forty thousand (I Kings 4:26)
    (b) Four thousand (2 chronicles 9:25)
    In what year of King Asa's reign did Baasha, King of Israel die?
    (a) Twenty-sixth year (I Kings 15:33 – 16:8)
    (b) Still alive in the thirty-sixth year (2 Chronicles 16:1)
    How many overseers did Solomon appoint for the work of building the temple?
    (a) Three thousand six hundred (2 Chronicles 2:2)
    (b) Three thousand three hundred (I Kings 5:16)
    Solomon built a facility containing how many baths?
    (a) Two thousand (1 Kings 7:26)
    (b) Over three thousand (2 Chronicles 4:5)
    Of the Israelites who were freed from the Babylonian captivity, how many were the children of Pahrath-Moab?
    (a) Two thousand eight hundred and twelve (Ezra 2:6)
    (b) Two thousand eight hundred and eighteen (Nehemiah 7:11)
    How many were the children of Zattu?
    (a) Nine hundred and forty-five (Ezra 2:8)
    (b) Eight hundred and forty-five (Nehemiah 7:13)
    How many were the children of Azgad?
    (a) One thousand two hundred and twenty-two (Ezra 2:12)
    (b) Two thousand three hundred and twenty-two (Nehemiah 7:17)
    How many were the children of Adin?
    (a) Four hundred and fifty-four (Ezra 2:15)
    (b) Six hundred and fifty-five (Nehemiah 7:20)
    How many were the children of Hashum?
    (a) Two hundred and twenty-three (Ezra 2:19)
    (b) Three hundred and twenty-eight (Nehemiah 7:22)
    How many were the children of Bethel and Ai?
    (a) Two hundred and twenty-three (Ezra 2:28)
    (b) One hundred and twenty-three (Nehemiah 7:32)
    Ezra 2:64 and Nehemiah 7:66 agree that the total number of the whole assembly was 42,360. Yet the numbers do not add up to anything close. The totals obtained from each book is as follows:
    (a) 29,818 (Ezra)
    (b) 31,089 (Nehemiah)
    How many singers accompanied the assembly?
    (a) Two hundred (Ezra 2:65)
    (b) Two hundred and forty-five (Nehemiah 7:67)

    November 2, 2011 at 1:38 pm |
    • Our God Reigns

      Anyone can copy a bunch of nonsense that they have no clue about and if I took the time to research and explained each and everyone one of them to you, you still would THINK you know more than God. That is a trademark of an atheist! You don't want to know the truth or you would be searching for truth instead of running from it. Get yourself a Bible if you want to know truth and take the time to check it all out for yourself. You're not going to listen to anything I have to say. I already have truth. It is your soul that is doomed for eternity cause you would rather spend your time tying to be a smarty pants!

      November 2, 2011 at 1:46 pm |
    • hippypoet

      i love how each number gets bigger the second time around – one can easily deduce that these were expanded on to view bigger then they were. so basically the pure human touch can be seen right there... oh and each number when it gets bigger is a lie and therefore the author is totally in hell.

      November 2, 2011 at 1:47 pm |
    • Observer

      Our God Reigns,

      Once again you have no answer. Seriously, this may not be the best format for you. On blogs, you are asked questions and people expect answers.

      November 2, 2011 at 1:48 pm |
    • Chuckles

      @OGR

      Give it a whirl, disprove just a couple, you don't need to go through them all if its THAT exhausting for you to not be able to back up your statements fully, just yell "unfair" whenever people post precise contradictions. please, explain at least a couple of the statements above as congruent to one another.....

      November 2, 2011 at 1:49 pm |
    • Our God Reigns

      hippey.........does the numbers in your family and communities never change over a lifetime?

      November 2, 2011 at 1:52 pm |
    • hippypoet

      wow, your an idiot.... they are discussing an event that already happened and yet the numbers change... wow, this is your book and seem to have no argument. thats what religion does to a person, makes them a du-mb-@ss!

      November 2, 2011 at 1:55 pm |
    • Our God Reigns

      The whole bible was not written at the same time.

      November 2, 2011 at 1:56 pm |
    • Colin

      OGR – Who was Joseph's father? Hmmmm, let's see what the book that is 100% accurate says:

      MAT 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

      LUK 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.

      Joseph had two daddies. The first gay marriage?

      November 2, 2011 at 1:57 pm |
    • Colin

      OGR-your all knowing god seems to have trouble making up his mind, so let's give him a REAL EASY question. Godie-poo, you there? What did you create first, man or beasts?

      GEN 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
      GEN 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

      GEN 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
      GEN 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

      Heck, OGR, he can't even get that right. Some god.

      November 2, 2011 at 1:59 pm |
    • GodPot

      ".........does the numbers in your family and communities never change over a lifetime?"

      lol

      You do realize there is a difference between saying "I have 10 people in my family" and a few years later having 12 and saying "I am a mighty warrior who killed 10 men at the battle of Gimesh!! and a few years later saying "I am the mighty warrior who killed 100 men at the battle of Gimesh!!"... Can you see the difference? Since logic seems to be a trait most Christians shun I figured I would have to explain it for you.

      November 2, 2011 at 2:01 pm |
    • Colin

      OGR – how did Judas die?

      ACT 1:18: "Now this man (Judas) purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out."

      MAT 27:5-7: "And he (Judas) cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself. And the chief priests...bought with them the potter's field."

      Your story book is looking pretty silly isn't it OMG?

      November 2, 2011 at 2:04 pm |
    • JA

      ok colin, i will explain your first question. If you would have read and understood both the chapters in which you cited you would already have the answer. in 2 samuel it actually was satan that incited david even though it said the Lord. You see, in the chapter Joab was confused as to why the Lord would have david do such a thing. Later in the chapter, david realized he was deceived by satan to incite the men. 2 samuel was written to see the book in david's point of view, and in 1 chronicles was written in more of Joabs or an omniscient view.

      November 3, 2011 at 2:37 pm |
    • JA

      correction
      " Later in the chapter, david realized he was deceived by satan to incite the men"
      *to count the men*

      November 3, 2011 at 2:40 pm |
    • fred

      JA
      Colin makes the point the "Bible" is not 100% true and to prove it he pulls out these apparent conflicts. Often times in order to create a conflict he will use different translations of the same verse. God inspired Scripture is 100% true vs the Bible which has many translation assumptions depending on version. Even so it is remarkable that the truths of God shines clear for all to see regardless of which commonly accepted Bible is read. When the version being read is one of the mainstream acceped versions conflicts are easily resoloved as you have done.
      I might add to your comment that there is a tense issue related to the version Colin quoted that can be resolved to clarify that God used satan:
      1898 Young's Literal Translation needs to be used due to tense and word usage as found in the original Greek and Hebrew writings. The verses say the same thing basically that God as with Job used Satan test David.
      "And the anger of Jehovah addeth to burn against Israel, and [an adversary] moveth David about them, saying, `Go, number Israel and Judah." 2Samuel 24:1

      "And there standeth up an adversary against Israel, and persuadeth David to number Israel", 1 Chronicles 21:1

      November 3, 2011 at 3:00 pm |
    • JA

      Thanks Fred,
      Ill have to get myself a copy of that version.

      November 3, 2011 at 3:57 pm |
    • fred

      JA
      If you have not gone to :http://www.biblegateway.com It's a good place for any online instant free version either by passage or keyword search. You do not want to buy a 1898 Young's Literal Translation the old english will drive you nuts.

      November 3, 2011 at 5:16 pm |
    • JA

      Yeah that exactly the site i use. Still i would like to find a paper version.

      November 4, 2011 at 8:33 am |
    • HellBent

      @fred and JA. I'd recommend using strong's. Here you will find a breakdown of the actual original text with various reliable explanations as to the translation of each word. You'll find that Colin's list stands up quite well and that things are not a result of a difference in translation, despite fred's wanting it to be so.

      November 4, 2011 at 8:38 am |
    • JA

      as for how Judas died....yes he hanged himself in book of matthew. Acts was written after matthew so after judas's body hung for a while and rotted, it was cut down, and burst its insides out upon impact. Yeah kinda gross.

      November 4, 2011 at 12:09 pm |
  10. Our God Reigns

    1. The Jewish people will be regathered in unbelief from the four corners of the earth
    (Isaiah 11:11-12). Fulfillment: 20th Century and continuing.

    2. The state of Israel will be re-established
    (Isaiah 66:7-8 and Ezekiel 37:21-22). Fulfillment: May 14, 1948.

    3. The Jews will once again re-occupy the city of Jerusalem
    (Zechariah 8:4-8). Fulfillment: June 7, 1967.

    4. The land of Israel will be reclaimed from its desolation, becoming once again a land of agricultural abundance
    (Ezekiel 36:34-35). Fulfillment: 20th Century and continuing.

    5. The Hebrew language will be revived from the dead
    (Zephaniah 3:9). Fulfillment: 19th & 20th Centuries.

    6. All the nations of the world will come together against Israel over the issue of the control of Jerusalem
    (Zechariah 12:1-3). Fulfillment: Currently occurring.

    November 2, 2011 at 1:23 pm |
    • Observer

      "All the nations of the world will come together against Israel over the issue of the control of Jerusalem"

      Absolute nonsense. Why do you make things up? Is Antigua aligning with Switzerland to take control of Jerusalem?

      November 2, 2011 at 1:27 pm |
    • Our God Reigns

      I didn't make it up it's from the BIBLE. Do you watch the news? It's full of Jew hate!

      November 2, 2011 at 1:32 pm |
    • Observer

      Is Antigua aligning with Switzerland to take control of Jerusalem?

      Yes or no?

      November 2, 2011 at 1:33 pm |
    • Our God Reigns

      Has all bible prophecy been fulfilled. No! You'll be here to see it, I won't!

      November 2, 2011 at 1:36 pm |
    • Chuckles

      @ Our

      Have you picked up a book before? Jew hate has been around since the first jew, nothing new buddy and secondly you do realize that programs like Birthright ( which sends jewish teens to israel for free) are specifically designed because of those biblical prophecies right? There are people, like you, who believe the bible is magically coming true and everyone is playing their part, oblivious to what the bible is saying, but you do realize that jews have read those passages too and try to make it a point to fulfill them?

      November 2, 2011 at 1:36 pm |
    • Observer

      "ALLTHE NATIONS OF THIS WORLD will come together against Israel over the issue of the control of Jerusalem
      (Zechariah 12:1-3). Fulfillment: CURRENTLY OCCURRING.

      Absolutely FALSE. Complete nonsense.

      November 2, 2011 at 1:39 pm |
    • hippypoet

      see, captain moron a.k.a. our god reigns is just too stupid to realize that the book this loser bases his pointless life on was written by human beings around the years of 1000 bc thru 500 a.d. and so the storiers about the world is just the local folks around the seas, red, dead, and mediterranean.. oh and the capsian... also the persian gulf.... this is was the world to them... and the city of Jerusalem has always been the center for most of the religious folks in that area! and so by controlling that city you might just have control over them...NOT... the city of megiddo is a far better place to control form the ancients point of view – hence the armageddon at megiddo because the word armageddon comes from megiddo and that city was the place of the last stand... in real life army after army fought there for thousands of years... so they didn't create the idea, just stole the truth and twisted it – like everything else!

      November 2, 2011 at 1:39 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Our God Reigns
      The Jewish people will be regathered in unbelief from the four corners of the earth
      – Is Israel hosting of some kind of Semitic Atheist conference?
      The Hebrew language will be revived from the dead
      – Ask any Rabbi – the study of Hebrew has never stopped.
      All the nations of the world will come together against Israel over the issue of the control of Jerusalem
      Only if by "all the nations of the world" you're referring to middle eastern, predominantly Muslim countries.

      November 2, 2011 at 1:42 pm |
  11. kimsland

    Politics are about real things.
    Religion is.. well its about nothing at all.

    Religious people must love being scared.
    Boo.

    November 2, 2011 at 1:09 pm |
    • Our God Reigns

      What do you think all the wars are about?

      November 2, 2011 at 1:18 pm |
    • Observer

      Our God Reigns,
      "What do you think all the wars are about?"

      Which ones? There have been wars for thousands of years. Most of them have involved religion.

      November 2, 2011 at 1:21 pm |
    • GodPot

      Politics is the semi-organized squabling over the use and ownership of the limited resources on the planet.
      Religion is the excuse politicians use for increasing their (and their followers) share of those resources or decreasing the share of others.

      It goes like this:
      P1 "We want that good land to grow food for our people"
      P2 "But we want that same land to mine for resources that will create jobs for our people!"
      P1 "But P2 there isn't even a real "human" because he doesn't worship Geezus!"
      P2 "Well P1 is a blasphemer because he does not even care for All Uhhh, so we should have the land!
      P1 "A Blas what? I'll show you blast femur!!"
      P2 "See!! You hate All Uhhh!! Kill them all!!"

      November 2, 2011 at 2:21 pm |
  12. Chad

    So, apparently, when an atheist lobbies the government it's enlightenment. When a Christian lobbies the government its "forcing their opinions on the rest of us"

    Utter nonsense

    EVERYONE has a right to lobby the government to enact legislation in line with their belief system (atheist and Christian alike).

    What do atheists seriously want? Do you want to disqualify a Christian from lobbying because they are Christian? That's discrimination and it's illegal.

    November 2, 2011 at 12:52 pm |
    • Chuckles

      oh chaddy chaddy chaddy,

      You have every right to lobby for or against something and I think you'd be hard pressed to find any group specifically asking the goverenment to take away the right of a specific group of people to exercise their freedoms, let alone actually seeing anyone in the gov. supporting a measure like that.

      What a lot of atheists, and secular people lobby for is pragmatism. If you don't like the term "enlightenment" given to less or non-religious folks, it sounds like you're just angry that you're standing on the wrong side of history and you don't much like it. Sorry bud, but pragmatism will prevail as long as we stay vigilant and not allow people like you to co-opt the government and move us backwards.

      November 2, 2011 at 12:56 pm |
    • hippypoet

      we want it realized that the lunacy of religion creates lunitics in life... and those religious people who make choices based on the bible or what make belief god said is friggin nuts and therefore should have no place in public offices! would you want a person who claims that a person whoes been dead for 2000 years has taught them things and they will know try to live life as this dead dude said working at your job, or even your boss????!?!?!?!?!? they are retarded! simple, and we don't elect retards to public offices... oh wait,we did elect bush jr twice... sh!t

      November 2, 2011 at 12:57 pm |
    • Our God Reigns

      hippypoet – yep, when he left us a book that if compared to all the history books and todays headlines is 100% accurate!

      November 2, 2011 at 1:03 pm |
    • hippypoet

      thats a joke right? 100% is most likely around 80% wrong, but having a margin of error at around 0% that makes the bible a complete load of crap! prove anythin in the bible is CORRECT, no vauge sh!t, i want exact things that were said word for word as you so recently posted!

      November 2, 2011 at 1:07 pm |
    • Fookin' Prawn

      Chad, what anyone sane wants is to not allow anyone into public office that intends to limit the rights of any group that doesn't fit into their morality.

      @Our God – you saying that over and over just doesn't make it true for anyone but yourself.

      November 2, 2011 at 1:13 pm |
    • Observer

      Our God Reigns,
      "yep, when he left us a book that if compared to all the history books and todays headlines is 100% accurate!"

      How many history books or science books support talking serpents and unicorns? Answer please.

      November 2, 2011 at 1:15 pm |
    • Team righto

      @Chad & Our God Reigns-As always -Right On!!!!!

      November 2, 2011 at 1:20 pm |
    • Chuckles

      @Chad

      Changing your handle to give youself a cheering section is cute, but it doesn't make you any more right. And don't give me that crap that its just other people supporting you, I've been on this blog long enough to see that you get an inordinate amount of cheering squads when ever you make a particularly facetious point that doesn't even sound well thought out. I've seen better stuff come out of a horses behind and yet somehow you keep accruing some "good job!"'s from people. It doesn't taken a genius to figure out its you bud.

      November 2, 2011 at 1:24 pm |
    • Colin

      Chad, I have to agree. Chaning your name to pretend others think you are smart and agree with you is pretty egotistical and cheesy. I, too, had often suspected you did this. While it is not as bad as stealing somebody else's name, it is still pretty obvious, annoying and dishonest.

      Please stop it.

      November 2, 2011 at 1:35 pm |
    • Our God Reigns

      @ chuckles - why does an atheist that does not believe in any God spend all his time of a religion blog? Know why? Cause you soul is searching for it's creator and you know you may find information about him here. I hope you do before it is too late!

      November 2, 2011 at 1:35 pm |
    • Colin

      Ourgodreigns – no, it is mor elike the reason doctors hang around hospitals. They try and stop diseases and we atheists try and help Christians and others escape their Bronze Age superst.itions. Try the 21st Century sometime, it's not that scarey.

      November 2, 2011 at 1:41 pm |
    • Chuckles

      I think the term "egotistical" falls on your end by the mere fact that you think any person who has a disbelief in god would frequent a belief blog in order to conciously suppress my urge to believe in god, specifcially yours. I come to this blog because I've always had an interest in the effects of religion, I like having debates with believers about their religions and help myself better understand where they are coming from, or in your case, showing you that the religion you so ferverently follow doesn't say exactly what you think it says. Education comes from discussing topics with people who disagree with you and point out holes in theories and logic, give you different perspective, NOT just agreeing with one another.

      November 2, 2011 at 1:41 pm |
    • Our God Reigns

      chuckles – no education comes from reading the word or God. Something you may want to do if you are going to debate his word.

      November 2, 2011 at 1:50 pm |
    • hippypoet

      dude your statement says that no education comes from reading the bullsh!t bible!

      too true, it makes me happy that you are coming around to the truth!

      November 2, 2011 at 1:53 pm |
    • Chuckles

      HA!

      Now my name is incredibly apt for this specific post. You're telling me that education can only come from the bible huh? I guess you should probably stop using your computer because it must be an instrument by the devil as I'm sure bill gates, and steve jobs among many many others had to tear their eyes away from the bible for a little bit to do some inventing.

      November 2, 2011 at 1:53 pm |
    • Mat Hatter

      OurGod,

      Yeah, I just *love* how we learned from the Bible to cure leprosy by dipping a dove in the blood of dead dove! And it is SO useful to know that pi is exactly 3.0!

      November 2, 2011 at 1:59 pm |
    • Team righto

      Atheists are so jealous of the intellect of Our God Reigns and Chad.

      I am on team Chad and Our God Reigns.

      go after Chad on the facts and don't go after your parnoia, you'll hurt your silly heads.

      November 2, 2011 at 2:11 pm |
    • Observer

      Team righto,

      "Atheists are so jealous of the intellect of Our God Reigns and Chad."

      You are joking, right? Our God Reigns is unable to answer most questions.

      November 2, 2011 at 2:54 pm |
    • Chad

      @Chuckles "...What a lot of atheists, and secular people lobby for is pragmatism. If you don't like the term "enlightenment" given to less or non-religious folks, it sounds like you're just angry that you're standing on the wrong side of history and you don't much like it. Sorry bud, but pragmatism will prevail as long as we stay vigilant and not allow people like you to co-opt the government and move us backwards."

      =>The ultimate form of pragmatism, is to recognize that God is the creator of this universe, and really doesnt like it when we refuse to recognize that. The ultimate form of pragmatism is to recognize and take appropriate steps to deal with the situation humans are in, pretending God doesnt exist doesnt make Him go away.

      November 2, 2011 at 3:56 pm |
    • Chad

      And as for me using any sock puppet(posting under two names): never happen, never will.

      November 2, 2011 at 3:57 pm |
    • Chad

      @Fookin' Prawn "Chad, what anyone sane wants is to not allow anyone into public office that intends to limit the rights of any group that doesn't fit into their morality."

      =>Wrong
      Every piece of legislation limits a persons behavior in some way.
      A society that doesnt limit rights in some manner for the public good is not a society at all, it's called anarchy.

      What anyone sane wants is an open process by which the citizens can put in place rules that reflect the shared values of the majority.
      And spare me the "tyranny of the majority" nonsense. That's just you complaining about being on the wrong side of right and wrong.

      November 2, 2011 at 4:06 pm |
    • SeanNJ

      @Chad: You said, "What anyone sane wants is an open process by which the citizens can put in place rules that reflect the shared values of the majority."

      I don't think you want what you think you want. Are you ready to put your entire agenda up for public referendum? Your "majority" may not be all it's cracked up to be...

      November 2, 2011 at 4:28 pm |
    • J.W

      I tried out for team Chad, but they cut me.

      November 2, 2011 at 4:49 pm |
  13. Bo

    @jimtanker, are you really afraid of people that force their ideas on you?

    November 2, 2011 at 12:43 pm |
    • hippypoet

      you are afraid of a world with truth instead of ancient bs... deal with it.

      November 2, 2011 at 12:51 pm |
    • clay

      I'm afraid of a world with a universal belief. Any religion or Atheism taking over. Even my own.

      November 2, 2011 at 12:54 pm |
  14. Reality

    Hmmm, Satan the fallen one or is he simply another modern day demon of the demented?

    Father Edward Schillebeeckx, the famous contemporary theologian, has a different take on hell. He reasons that the Singularity does not tolerate imperfection in his spiritual realm. Therefore, any soul dying in mortal sin will simply disappear since hell the imperfect state does not exist.

    November 2, 2011 at 12:29 pm |
    • Our God Reigns

      If it's all made up why is the Bible playing out right now word for word?

      November 2, 2011 at 12:43 pm |
    • Observer

      Our God Reigns,
      "If it's all made up why is the Bible playing out right now word for word?"

      Good quote from 2,000 years ago.

      November 2, 2011 at 12:46 pm |
    • Chuckles

      @Our God...

      can you please show me in the bible where it says all of this. I can't find anywhere in the bible of it mentioning names of specific countries, people, present day places, timelines, nothing.... What does yours say?

      November 2, 2011 at 12:50 pm |
    • Our God Reigns

      Observer – You might want to get your head out of the blog rooms and watch the news. TODAY! It's a fact!

      November 2, 2011 at 12:50 pm |
    • Mat Hatter

      "If it's all made up why is the Bible playing out right now word for word?"

      There is no evidence that it is playing out right now. That's been claimed for hundreds and hundreds of years... with each "End of Days" fiasco. Bunk.

      One can manipulate any fictional tale to suit your fancy. I can just imagine your take on "Alice in Wonderland"!

      November 2, 2011 at 12:55 pm |
    • Observer

      Our God Reigns,
      "Observer – You might want to get your head out of the blog rooms and watch the news. TODAY! It's a fact!"

      And you might want to get your head out of the blog rooms and read the Bible.

      – 1 James 5:8 “You too, be patient and stand firm, because the Lord’s coming is near.”
      – 1 John 2:18 ”Children,it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many
      antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour."

      Almost 2,000 years is "near" or "the last hour"? Read the Bible sometime.

      November 2, 2011 at 12:55 pm |
    • HellBent

      @Our God Reigns – people can say the same thing about Nostradamus predi.ctions. When makes predi.ctions that are clear as mud, you can find evidence of them coming "true" just about anywhere. Your claim was somewhat original when it was first said 2000 years ago. Every generation since has been making the exact same claim. What makes you right when everyone, for twenty centuries, has been wrong?

      November 2, 2011 at 12:56 pm |
    • Our God Reigns

      Chuckles – A little history research will reveal that, there's tons of info if you really want to figure out their modern day names.

      November 2, 2011 at 12:57 pm |
    • Chuckles

      Is that so?

      Please point out in the bible then where it mentions, north america, places in the united states, canada, or mexico. Or perhaps south america even? What about southern Africa? East Asia? Australia? Honestly, if what you said is true then these places have been named before, maybe not by their given name now but apparently with a biblical name.... please, show me.

      November 2, 2011 at 1:01 pm |
    • Mat Hatter

      Oooooh, yeah... that King of the North and that King of the South - soooooooo specific, eh? Hundreds of Antichrists have been identified and harassed and condemned since the first century. Bunk.

      November 2, 2011 at 1:01 pm |
    • Our God Reigns

      mad hatter. it's obvious you have never read the bible or you would know that it is playing out this exact minute just as written in black and white. Don't take my word, read it and you will see how wrong you are.

      November 2, 2011 at 1:02 pm |
    • Observer

      Our God Reigns,

      "Don't take my word, read it and you will see how wrong you are.'

      Why would people take your word when you are completely incapable of answering any questions or supplying one piece of proof to support your theories?

      November 2, 2011 at 1:05 pm |
    • Our God Reigns

      Observer – God's ways are higher than you ways and his time is not perceived as your time. Read the bible and compare it to the daily news headlines. It may have been written then but it is for today.

      November 2, 2011 at 1:07 pm |
    • Mat Hatter

      Fans of various science-fiction claim that their guys predicted current machines or inventions or events.

      Jules Verne - The Submarine
      H.G. Wells - Automatic Doors
      Aldous Huxley - In vitro insemination
      George Orwell - video surveillance
      Isaac Azimov - pocket calculator

      ... and some others, listed here: http://www.computerscienceschools.net/blog/2010/15-sci-fi-predictions-that-came-true/

      November 2, 2011 at 1:11 pm |
    • Observer

      Our God Reigns,

      Yep. No answers.
      Why not read the Bible yourself?

      – 1 James 5:8 “You too, be patient and stand firm, because the Lord’s coming is near.”
      – 1 John 2:18 ”Children,it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many
      antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour."

      November 2, 2011 at 1:11 pm |
    • Mat Hatter

      Our God Reigns,

      Your ancient sci-fi / horror / fantasy stories can be massaged and manipulated to mean just about *anything* that you want them to mean.

      November 2, 2011 at 1:13 pm |
  15. Jimtanker

    What really terrifies THIS atheist is somebody like Perry getting elected president and forcing his views on the rest of us.

    November 2, 2011 at 12:26 pm |
    • Our God Reigns

      Then get ready cause when Jesus comes back you'll have the scare of your life!

      November 2, 2011 at 12:45 pm |
    • Nonimus

      @Our God Reigns,
      I'm not too concerned. Even if He is real, since it's been 2000+/- years since He was supposed to return, I doubt He'll show up in my lifetime.

      November 2, 2011 at 1:41 pm |
    • Nonimus

      @Our God Reigns,
      p.s. Who's the "Our" in "Our God Reigns"?

      November 2, 2011 at 1:42 pm |
  16. Reality

    The topic brings to mind the following:

    From Sir Salman Rushdie's book "Satanic Verses", p. 376, paperback issue – for those 1 billion Muslims to read as they are forbidden to purchase or read said book:

    One of the passages that prompted the crazy Ayatollah Khomeini to issue a fatwa against Sir Rushdie:
    Mahound = Mohammed
    Gibreel = Gabriel

    "The faithful lived by lawlessness, but in those years Mahound – or should one say the Archangel Gibreel? – should one say Al-Lah? – became obsessed by law.

    Amid the palm-trees of the oasis Gibreel appeared to the Prophet and found himself spouting rules, rules, rules, until the faithful could scarcely bear the prospect of any more revelation, Salman said, rules about every da-mn thing, if a man farts let him turn his face to the wind, a rule about which hand to use for the purpose of cleaning one's behind.

    It was as if no aspect of human existence was to be left unregulated, free. The revelation – the recitation- told the faithful how much to eat, how deeply they should sleep, and which se-xual positions had received divine sanction, so that they leamed that so-domy and the missionary position were approved of by the archangel, whereas the forbidden postures included all those in which the female was on top.

    Gibreel further listed the permitted and forbidden subjects of conversation, and earmarked the parts of the body which could not be scratched no matter how unbearably they might itch.

    He vetoed the consumption of prawns, those bizarre other-worldly creatures which no member of the faithful had ever seen, and required animals to be killed slowly, by bleeding, so that by experiencing their deaths to the full they might arrive at an understanding of the meaning of their lives, for it is only at the moment of death that living creatures understand that life has been real, and not a sort of dream.

    And Gibreel the archangel specified the manner in which a man should be buried, and how his property should be divided, so that Salman the Persian got to wondering what manner of God this was that sounded so much like a businessman.

    This was when he had the idea that destroyed his faith, because he recalled that of course Mahound himself had been a businessman, and a damned successful one at that, a person to whom organization and rules came naturally, so how excessively convenient it was that he should have come up with such a very businesslike archangel, who handed down the management decisions of this highly corporate, if noncorporeal, God."

    November 2, 2011 at 12:25 pm |
    • Our God Reigns

      What you expect from a book called "satanic verses?"

      November 2, 2011 at 12:46 pm |
  17. know it all guru

    Yeah right, we make up stuff like heaven and hell...has Mr 'know it all' seen beyond death to conclude there is absolutely no heaven or hell?

    November 2, 2011 at 11:36 am |
    • Observer

      know it all guru,
      "has Mr 'know it all' seen beyond death to conclude there is absolutely no heaven or hell?"

      Have you seen beyond death to conclude there is absolutely a heaven and hell?

      November 2, 2011 at 12:03 pm |
    • derp

      As if anyone has actually seen beyond death to know that there is heaven and hell.

      It is all made up, because nobody really knows what happens next. Heaven and hell are man made constructs. I'm not particularly scared.

      November 2, 2011 at 12:05 pm |
    • know it all guru

      Mr Know it all (afterall- not all)-I asked you a question, i didn't ask you to ask ME a question.......

      November 2, 2011 at 12:06 pm |
    • hippypoet

      well, there have been studies done with people who have died on the op. table and they all say remarkibly similar things – they see body they left, then they move around the room, then they start to see family and friends weather dead or not – therefore one can conclude that its just electrical impulses in our heads when we are finishing the process of death – after that, no so much info...However the Tibetian book of the dead written some time around of the 8th century a.d. and offers the same type of things i posted above about the patients on the cutting board, but then it goes into religious crap! An interesting sidenote: Some of the concepts in the Tibetan Book of the Dead can be found in The Gospel of Mary Magdalene.

      November 2, 2011 at 12:18 pm |
    • TruthPrevails

      @KnowNothing (know-it-all): When someone comes back from the dead to provide evidence of heaven or hell, then it will be believable, until then it falls in to the category of make believe...kind of like religion. Using the 'jesus arose from the dead fallacy' falls shorts when it comes to a lack of evidence outside out the buybull.

      November 2, 2011 at 12:28 pm |
    • know it all guru

      hey hippy-have you heard of Colton Burpo?

      November 2, 2011 at 12:35 pm |
    • hippypoet

      no i have not... why would i want to read something written by a brainwashed child which everything he has to say execpt when he claims to have seen jesus – that was drug induced tripping – is in the bible!!!!! why i ask you, why?

      November 2, 2011 at 12:38 pm |
    • A believer

      Faith cannot be argued. You have a choice to make to seek the truth. Seek and you WILL find.

      ' Arguing' about the existence of God will not prove his existence to YOU, his existence is an experiance and a personal one.

      November 2, 2011 at 12:39 pm |
    • hippypoet

      " Arguing' about the existence of God will not prove his existence to YOU, his existence is an experiance and a personal one."

      yeah, kinda like Hendrix!

      November 2, 2011 at 12:41 pm |
    • Our God Reigns

      maybe has hasn't not many have.

      November 2, 2011 at 12:43 pm |
    • Observer

      4-year-olds frequently believe in monsters, ghosts, tooth fairies, Santa Claus, space aliens, etc. Not reliable witnesses. If that's your best source, you are in deep trouble.

      November 2, 2011 at 12:44 pm |
    • Chuckles

      Wait.... @ a believer, are you telling me that if you look for god, you'll find him? Doesn't that smack of self-fulling prophecy much? I mean honestly, if I really wanted to right now, I could put on this rosey lenses, think within myself for god and decide that the voice in my head is actually of a separate, supreme diety that will grant my wish if he deems it good enough. I'm sure I could also start identifying things in my life that could be attributed to a creator (weird coincidences, karmic responses to things I did, and strange happenings), however whats the point? Does it solve any current problem I have? By believing in god I'm given the promis of eternal happiness after death by who? People. People who have never actually been to these places and yet speak with authority about it because of a book, also written by men, says so. At most, believing will change my worldview to an "us vs. them" mentality that will ultimately ease my mind in being xenophobic towards anyone in the "out" group because they don't feel what I feel and that for some reason makes me superior.

      I'll stick with the glasses off. Thanks.

      November 2, 2011 at 12:46 pm |
    • MBlaster

      There being no empirical evidence of the existence of pixies and none as to their non-existence, (non-existence leaves no evidence) you must believe in pixies, by your logic.

      November 2, 2011 at 12:50 pm |
    • Tallulah13

      Four year olds are extremely suggestible. Who knows what this child heard before and after his experience to make him say what he did. Who knows what has transpired in the subsequent years to effect what he says now. I do know that his parents wrote a book you can purchase to read about the story. Take from that fact what you will.

      November 2, 2011 at 12:53 pm |
    • A believer

      Don't underestimate what a child can teach you-
      I asked a second grader to define an argument and prompt came the answer
      An argument is 'fighting with your mouth' , where is wisdom in an argument then? How can you ever get to truth by an argument?
      ----------------------–
      Be still and know that he is GOD!

      November 2, 2011 at 12:54 pm |
    • JohnQuest

      know it all guru, sure we have proof, we exhume remains all the time. Amazing, if a body was missing from the grave I doubt even you would automatically assume "God" took it. I think most reasonable people will think that someone (read human) removed it.

      November 2, 2011 at 1:08 pm |
    • tallulah13

      hey "believer", child can also hear things like "grandpa has gone to heaven to be with Jesus" and overhear things like Grandpa is dead. Then he hear or overhear that he died but what brought back. Kids tend to piece things together. Brains have a lot of chemicals firing, which leads to people believing they've experienced alien abduction or the white light and tunnel after death. Both of these phenomena can be recreated in a lab. I strongly suspect that the child honestly thought the only explanation for what he experienced was Jesus and grandpa in heaven, and that the story simply took on a life of it's own.

      November 2, 2011 at 10:54 pm |
  18. Doc Vestibule

    This about sums it up, I think:
    "The capacity of the human mind for swallowing nonsense and spewing it forth in violent and repressive action has never yet been plumbed."
    – Robert Heinlein

    November 2, 2011 at 11:06 am |
    • hippypoet

      i like this quote better :

      "I've begun worshiping the sun for a number of reasons. First of all, unlike some other gods I could mention, I can see the sun. It's there for me every day. And the things it brings me are quite apparent all the time: heat, light, food, a lovely day. There's no mystery, no one asks for money, I don't have to dress up, and there's no boring pageantry. And interestingly enough, I have found that the prayers I offer to the sun and the prayers I formerly offered to "God" are all answered at about the same 50-percent rate."

      George Carlin

      November 2, 2011 at 11:11 am |
  19. kimsland

    People are scared of the unknown
    So we invent religion and we invent heII.

    This is how atheists are trying to help the false 'believers', these things are not real.
    Religious people need to let go of their fears and realize its all just fiction

    November 2, 2011 at 10:56 am |
    • Our God Reigns

      If it's fiction why is the Bible so accurate?

      November 2, 2011 at 12:49 pm |
    • kimsland

      The bible is far from accurate Our Fairy-Tale Reigns
      You obviously have not read it without interpretations

      November 2, 2011 at 1:06 pm |
  20. hippypoet

    biggest fear is the death of my kids....then – spiders, heights, needles! thats about it

    November 2, 2011 at 10:27 am |
    • warmesTghosT

      But spiders kill all the really nasty and annoying bugs like flies and mosquitoes! They are our friends!

      November 2, 2011 at 10:57 am |
    • hippypoet

      here is an interesting fact – daddy long legs are not spiders at all – they are just insects that evolved to have really long legs to stand completely over the aphids and eat them. cool huh! and they have a valve that allows the daddy long leg to detach its leg when something tries to eat it.

      November 2, 2011 at 11:03 am |
    • Ummmm

      "spiders"

      I would say you don't want to visit me then, I let the spiders live in my life, even in my home. Live and let live. What's funny is you've probably eaten a spider while you slept, they're curious little buggers. LOL!

      November 2, 2011 at 11:15 am |
    • hippypoet

      yes i am aware that while we sleep we eat around 6 spiders throughtout our lives.... that doesn't mean i need reminding!
      when i was in florida i was messin with a spider that digs in to the ground and then makes it so if an ant falls in the ditch they can't get out – then the spider does a lightening fast strike and bam – the ant stops fighting! One could say i have the phobia of arachids, but i am not afraid of scorpins at all.

      November 2, 2011 at 11:20 am |
    • J.W

      Oh thats called the trapdoor spider I think. That is like the rarest spider in the world. I didnt know they lived in florida

      November 2, 2011 at 11:24 am |
    • DamianKnight

      I just get this mental image of Hippy in his tie-dye T-shirt and John Lennon glasses jumping up on a table, pointing and screaming at a spider scurrying across the floor. 🙂

      November 2, 2011 at 11:29 am |
    • tallulah13

      I used to be terrified of spiders, but they're everywhere. That much fear all the time is exhausting. I just started giving them names and talking to them. I find that I quite like them now.

      November 2, 2011 at 11:34 am |
    • hippypoet

      trap-door spiders live in the throughtout the southern us and are friggin huge! but wolf spiders do the same thing sometimes with the trap-door thing – but there was no door, it was just a upside down trianglar prism with no top...well bottom. and when the ants would fall in they just slip further in the ditch cause the sand slips down. so i think its the wolf spider...not completel sure thou.

      November 2, 2011 at 11:51 am |
    • HollaHolla

      @tallulah13
      That's basically how religion started, but instead of naming and talking to spiders, people named and talked to things like the sun, the thunder, etc....

      November 2, 2011 at 6:37 pm |
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