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November 2nd, 2011
10:24 AM ET

What terrifies an atheist

(CNN) -  Famed filmmaker John Landis brought the world "An American Werewolf in Paris" and Michael Jackson's "Thriller," but nothing scares him more than people.

In this video the avowed atheist, tells CNN's Nima Elbagir why he thinks “we make stuff up” about monsters, religion, and the devil.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Atheism • Belief • Movies

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  1. catholic engineer

    It seems to me that if evolution explains everything, then man has simply involved into a freak. Natural selection aims at survival. Yet in the last half-century, mans' mind has produced enough nuclear weapons to kill himself several times over. Evolution has also produced man, the psychotic – he looks for meaning when none exists. He speaks of morality when nature offers no example of such. Carl Jung was appalled at the brutality of nature -how did evolution produce a creature who could make abstract judgements about nature's behaviour. Steven J. Gould, the Harvard evolutionist, pointed out that nature offers no criteria for moral behaviour and that we must look toward philosophers and theologians to cope with those issues.

    November 3, 2011 at 12:51 pm |
    • Observer

      You have completely ignored that the mental evolution of man that you put down, has also created such things as the absolutely incredible Internet that enables people to instantly communicate with other people from around the world. LOOK around.

      November 3, 2011 at 12:56 pm |
    • J.W

      Al Gore created the internet. Maybe it was just his ancestry that evolved.

      November 3, 2011 at 12:58 pm |
    • Evolution Is A Lie

      What you gonna do when your internet fails? Does evolution guarantee you electricity? Ask the people without it today. You're so shallow.

      November 3, 2011 at 1:01 pm |
    • Observer

      Evolution Is A Lie,
      "You're so shallow."

      Speaking of shallow, please tell us all about the talking serpents and unicorns. Still no explanation from you.

      November 3, 2011 at 1:07 pm |
    • jmp10

      A freak, or a psychotic, as compared to what other possibilities? Evolution is a complicated force that boils down to physics, a VERY complicated relationship that I personally don't think we will be able to describe in the near future. And regardless of the possibilities it COULD have created, we are ONE of those possibilities. Evolution is complicated, that doesn't mean it isn't valid.

      November 3, 2011 at 1:38 pm |
    • jmp10

      And-
      Morality does in fact compliment evolution. Altruism ensures survival. Abstraction judgement is a form of logic and relationships of the physical world, which can also aid in survival.

      November 3, 2011 at 1:42 pm |
    • Ned Nickerson and Nancy play golf with Mortimer

      Who ever said "evolution is supposed to explain EVERYTHING?" What ?

      November 3, 2011 at 1:54 pm |
    • Ned Nickerson and Nancy play golf with Mortimer

      "What you gonna do when your internet fails", and what are YOU gonna do when 12,000,000 more Africans starve to death again next summer ? Your god is awfully mean.

      November 3, 2011 at 1:56 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Hey, J.W.? For the sake of veracity, Al Gore never claimed to have invented the internet. He said something to the effect that he helped the internet grow (which is true) and the media blew it out of proportion. There was an article published in Vanity Fair, far too late to make a difference, where the journalists who did this expressed great regret. Of course, this was after about 4 or 5 years of the Bush/Cheney administration, and those journalists realized that they had backed a very corrupt pony.

      November 3, 2011 at 11:28 pm |
  2. catholic engineer

    As an engineer, I know a little something about intelligence and design. It seems to me that Intelligent Design is a secondary concern. What's most interesting to me is that intelligence is found in the universe at all. Did evolving matter one day examine itself and make the conscious observation "I exist"? It takes intelligence to produce intelligence. Surely, some form of Mind was present in the cosmos when matter came into existence.

    November 3, 2011 at 12:38 pm |
    • Observer

      What intelligence gave that Mind the intelligence to design intelligence?

      November 3, 2011 at 12:41 pm |
    • Tallulah13

      I think you need to step beyond 'intelligence' and 'design' and learn about evolution.

      November 3, 2011 at 12:44 pm |
    • Evolution Is A Lie

      Why would he give up a life with his Creator to join you knuckle heads? He has a possible future with God, according to you your life means nothing and you will retire to blackness someday. (Which you are wrong, something evil and sinister is awaiting you.)
      Jesus Christ is the only begotten son of the only God there is. Jesus is the savior of this world and the ONLY way to God. There is no other way. NONE!

      November 3, 2011 at 12:52 pm |
    • HAHAHA

      "He has a possible future with God, according to you your life means nothing and you will retire to blackness someday."

      This is what christians fear and the basis of their whole faith, there has to be something after death, this can't be it....oh wait lets invent a god because we're too afraid of dying! Well knuckle head, that is why you try to leave your impression on this earth through the kindness and love you show to other people, because yeah, that's all you got.

      November 3, 2011 at 12:57 pm |
    • Evolution Is A Lie

      Hahablabal.....what you got? What's your life mean? Where does your hate take you? You obviously not happy, so what you got? NOTHING!

      November 3, 2011 at 12:59 pm |
    • Observer

      Evolution Is A Lie,
      "Why would he give up a life with his Creator to join you knuckle heads?"

      What would the Bible say?

      (1) Passing judgment on others
      (2) Calling names
      (3) Ignoring Golden Rule

      Great job on HYPOCRISY. Well done.

      November 3, 2011 at 1:00 pm |
    • HAHAHA

      "Where does your hate take you? You obviously not happy, so what you got? NOTHING!"

      Huh, I thought lying was as sin according to your book. You have to tell yourself that lie so you can feel better about your choice in believing in a god. I have a wonderful life and I am full of happiness, that's what people like you can understand. You need a god in order to feel happy, I don't need that crutch.

      November 3, 2011 at 1:03 pm |
    • BoldGeorge

      Evolution is the theory of all e-v-i-l-s. And I don't mean that in a wacky sort of way but something to be taken seriously. Survival of the fittest is what the evolutionary theory teaches. Well, Hitler, though he claimed not to believe in Darwin's theory, practiced wholeheartedly the survival of the fittest concept. In his initial writings, Darwin wrote that all other races were still in their inferior stages while the white race was the dominant one as far. Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, the Columbine HS shoo.ters where actually wearing t-shirts with "Natural Selection" emblazoned on them. And this is one of many examples of the breakdown of our school system. This is the sort of thing has been feared for over 100 years that would happen by teaching evolution in our schools. Hopefully, I don't have to keep on writing to get my point across. And for those who will refute this by saying that Christians have also committed atrocities in the name of God, well, this is how it really goes: According to the Bible, a TRUE CHRISTIAN will be persecuted, mocked or killed for professing Christ...not the other way around.

      November 3, 2011 at 1:11 pm |
    • Ned Nickerson and Nancy play golf with Mortimer

      Everyone who disagrees with ME is hateful, and unhappy. It's SO nice and easy to live in my little black and white world. It's so simple, and easy. I get to go to heaven and you don't. Nah nah, nah, nah nah.

      November 3, 2011 at 1:13 pm |
    • Observer

      "Hitler, though he claimed not to believe in Darwin's theory, practiced wholeheartedly the survival of the fittest concept. In his initial writings"

      Hitler was raised as a Catholic. He didn't believe in Darwin, but believed in God.

      November 3, 2011 at 1:19 pm |
    • HAHAHA

      "According to the Bible, a TRUE CHRISTIAN will be persecuted, mocked or killed for professing Christ...not the other way around."

      Really, try telling that to gay people, witches, etc... that your religion tries to oppress. Oh, I forgot you believe the bible is real. So that means you have the right to call people fools and tell them to burn in hell.

      November 3, 2011 at 1:19 pm |
    • BRC

      @BoldGeorge,
      That is a gross misrepresentation of Evolution. Survivial of the fittest in relation to the Theory of Evolution applies to natural selection, the propogation of a species or subset of a species because of its increased ability to survive and reproduce in its environment.

      The NAzi's practied eugenics, they attempted to control the genetic drift of the human population by eliminating the elements that they decided were inferior. It was twisted and evil, and had nothing ot do with natural selection. To say that Hitler or the equally psycotic commiters of the Columbine shooting are examples of the hazards of accepting evolution, is tantamount to saying that the Son of Sam killer is the expected result if one opens themselves up to listening to "God". Are you willing to make that comparison?

      November 3, 2011 at 1:22 pm |
    • fred

      Observer
      Just lay down your sword, take a breath the battle is over. Jesus said it is finished then he committed his spirit into the Fathers hands.
      I am no longer sure what you are fighting. You seem hung up in some Don Quixote like battle against non existent wind mills.
      Get to the heart of what is really bugging you and take a sword to that if you want to make some progress.
      As to who made God no one to date has come up with a better answer than Moses in Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God. God referred to himself as "I AM" which pretty much says it all. Should there be a God what will someday say. You should have proven yourself to me. God could say Observer did you not yourself say "what was the intellegence that created the intellegence"? Observer did you not read my word? Observer did you not yourself acknowledge the difference between fake hypocritical christians and the true words of Christ over and over? Did I not send fred and many like him to you over the years to warn you and point you towards the light?
      The end is near I AM

      November 3, 2011 at 1:22 pm |
    • HAHAHA

      "Did I not send fred and many like him to you over the years to warn you and point you towards the light?
      The end is near I AM"

      Fred you're full of crap you know that, it's scary to read such delusional rhetoric. You have no answers, no proof other than a fictional book.

      November 3, 2011 at 1:28 pm |
    • Observer

      fred,

      It's the same God who commanded his people to kill every unruly child, blasphemer, adulterer, fortune teller and everyone who works on the Sabbath. He also said that if a man wanted to marry a virgin, all he had to do was to r@pe her and she must marry him.

      Do you see at all why I might be just a little bit cynical of it all?

      November 3, 2011 at 1:30 pm |
    • BoldGeorge

      BRC......gross or not, does it really make a difference how a species is eliminated, and via the evolutionary theory, does it really make ANY difference or is there a point to all this in the end??? via the evolutionary theory, is there really any evil or good???

      November 3, 2011 at 1:35 pm |
    • fred

      HaHaHa....chew
      Bless you

      November 3, 2011 at 1:41 pm |
    • BRC

      BRC

      @BoldGeorge,
      Your asking questions that have nothing to do with evolution. No, evolution does not provide a description of what happens after death, nor does it provide a perspective as to what is right or wrong. It provides a scientific and observable explanation of how species change and adapt over the course of time. That's it, that's all. the fun part is, it doesn't matter if anyone teaches it or believes in it or not, it's what happens (same as gravity, we could all agree that gravity isn't real, but to bodies are still going to exert force on one another proportionate to their mass and inversely proportionate to the sqare of the distance between their centers of mass).

      The attrocities committed by Hitler and other nut-jobs doesn't take away from the validity of evolution, nor does it make teaching what is the most scientifically supported knowledge of the time dangerous.

      November 3, 2011 at 1:45 pm |
    • BRC

      S#!t. You're, not your.

      November 3, 2011 at 1:48 pm |
    • fred

      Observer
      I think we need to take a walk back to the garden.........and the words of the deceptor was "did God really say that". The deceptor used doubt as do many on this site for the purpose of separating us from God.
      Deception only works when you do not know you are being deceived. So, in answer to your question yes, I understand why you are critical of god.

      November 3, 2011 at 1:50 pm |
    • BRC

      Observer,
      Not to put to fine a point on it, but I think you either just got called the serpent or possibily outright satan.

      November 3, 2011 at 1:53 pm |
    • fred

      Observer
      "He also said that if a man wanted to marry a virgin, all he had to do was to r@pe her and she must marry him."

      -Now, did God really say that?

      November 3, 2011 at 2:33 pm |
    • BoldGeorge

      BRC...science (at least what we call science) is very uncertain. What we may affirm to be a scientific fact today, tomorrow it changes or is modified. The Bible does indeed affirm science, obviously God invented it. And being that the bible affirms it, it is accurate and does not change its stance on any specific subject. For instance, in ancient cultures up to just a few hundred years, science has been re-theorized and rewritten many times over; for example, to name a few rewritten theories:

      1) The Earth is flat theory – ancient cultures believed earth was flat even up to the medieval ages, but in the Old Testament, it affirms it to be a sphere. (Isaiah 40:22)
      2) Winds Blow Straight Theory – Up until the Dark Ages, "experts" thought the winds always blew straight. (Ecclesiastes 1:6)
      3) The Ocean floor is flat theory – Up until 300AD, seamen and ocean navigators thought the ocean bottom was completely flat. Old Testament writings affirm it otherwise. (2 Samuel 22:16, Jonah 2:6)
      4) Ocean fed only by rivers and rain – Up until the 18th Century this was fact. Obviously now we know Ocean contains springs the feed more water to the ocean. (Job 38:16)

      And the list can go on and on..........Only reason I write all this is because what we may think to know and state as fact in science today and proved otherwise in the future, it has been already stated in the Bible. Besides, science as we know it is forever shifting when it comes to theories. The Bible never shifts on what has been written. You can also unprove the proven when it comes to science. You cannot unprove the word of God.

      November 3, 2011 at 4:18 pm |
    • fred

      Bold George
      In case someone trys and trip you up on Isaiah 40:22 the technical Hebrew translation is circle not sphere. However, the good news is that God is looking down upon earth which "looks like a circle". This visual is what Isaiah saw and what we see from space. You are however correct it does not say flat or imply a flat earth as those are completly different words in this context.

      November 3, 2011 at 5:07 pm |
    • Observer

      fred,
      "However, the good news is that God is looking down upon earth which "looks like a circle".

      The bad news is that God who supposedly created the earth, doesn't know the difference between a 2-dimensional circle and a 3-dimensional sphere in "his inspired word".

      November 3, 2011 at 6:41 pm |
    • tallulah13

      George, the eugenics supported by Hitler had nothing to do with the natural selection of evolution. Hitler had more in common with a dog breeder, trying to manipulate genetics to form the perfect Aryan poodle.

      November 3, 2011 at 11:31 pm |
  3. hippypoet

    clay, you are an idiot – the dino lived 65 million years ago – yet the site argues that the erth isn't even 60 million years old... it argues that from walking on the surface we would have destoryed the planets surface by now if it wasn't created by god – ever heard of tectonic plates... go find out what an earthquake is...your web site is full of completely non sciencfic moronic ideas that can't be founded in reality or we'd all know it! the earth is 4.4 billion years old, the universe is 14.5 billion years old, thats a provible fact! get over it!!

    November 3, 2011 at 12:37 pm |
    • hippypoet

      here is what i am talking about in the above post :
      here is an exerp from that lovely site you tossed me –

      May we not from these data, judge approximately of the age of the world, and show by this proof also, that the world can not be at all as old as the evolution theory demands? If the surface of the earth will be worn down 1200 feet on an average in 6,000,000 years, would it not also be true that the surface has been worn down at least 1200 feet in the last 6,000,000 years? For the higher the surface, the more rapid the erosion. And if the earth is 8,302,210 years old, as Lord Kelvin computes, then at the same rate, it must have been worn down an average of 1660 feet–38% more than remains. Is this not a fair estimate for the amount of erosion and the age of the world? How high must the land have averaged, if the world is even 60,000,000 years old?

      pure stupidity and anyone that believes this is just as stupid!

      November 3, 2011 at 12:38 pm |
    • Evolution Is A Lie

      Then stay here in your God forsaken empty life and lets just see who's right and who is wrong. I've got nothing to lose, do you!

      November 3, 2011 at 12:39 pm |
    • hippypoet

      EIAL – you sure show a lot of pride when you talk about your beliefs! AND you lie a bit too! by you asking if i have anything to lose the play with the thought of me in hardship over not believing in god – thats not good – god has rules for this kinda thing you know! i guess if gos exists then i shall meet you in hell!

      November 3, 2011 at 12:44 pm |
    • Observer

      "I've got nothing to lose, do you!"

      Here's what APA said:
      Simple reminders of God have both positive and negative effects on people’s motivation. Religious reminders both diminish a person’s desire to complete personal goals and improve a person’s ability to resist temptation."

      So you do have something to lose if you are wrong in addition to all the time you wasted.

      Guess again.

      November 3, 2011 at 12:46 pm |
    • clay

      Technically, his debate is that our system of aging is off, so your comment about dinosaurs is irrelevant.
      Where does it mention walking on the Earth? It talks about erosion and how scientific estimations of the age of the Earth (which is accepted by ) fall short of the amount that would be eroded under LeConte's estimation of the rate of erosion.
      Yes, I have heard of tectonic plates. I have too little patience to sit and watch them move. I know what an Earthquake is, and how it's cuased by the tectonic plates.
      And what is your estimation of the Earth's age based off of? And how would i be possible to estimate the age of the universe? Our knowlage of our the GALAXIES around us is still rather shallow, how are we to know anything of the WHOLE UNIVERSE?

      November 3, 2011 at 12:48 pm |
    • HAHAHA

      "Then stay here in your God forsaken empty life "

      Here we go again, the brainwashed response from a christian. Our lives are not empty, they are full of life, love, happiness, joy, understanding, empathy, we appreciate beauty, we try to find the best in others and we try to leave the world a better place than before. The arrogance of christians is just pathetic.

      November 3, 2011 at 12:52 pm |
    • AtheistSteve

      "And what is your estimation of the Earth's age based off of? And how would i be possible to estimate the age of the universe? Our knowlage of our the GALAXIES around us is still rather shallow, how are we to know anything of the WHOLE UNIVERSE?"

      Beyond the obvious dating of rocks the age of the Earth can be deduced from the age of the sun. Knowing the size and rate of consumption of Hydrogen thru fusion we calculate backward when the sun began to shine... thus the time when the planets formed out of the disk of matter around it. As for the universe we know how fast the galaxies are drifting apart...again calculating backward we know when all the matter in the universe was at one point in time in one point in space. But I'm guessing math and physics are not your forte.

      November 3, 2011 at 1:59 pm |
  4. Uncover the facts with

    *PILTDOWN*

    November 3, 2011 at 12:12 pm |
    • Evolution Is A Lie

      Which side you on?

      November 3, 2011 at 12:16 pm |
    • clay

      What does typing the word Piltdown in ALL CAPS achieve?

      November 3, 2011 at 12:16 pm |
    • shoo away

      That pesky creature that is full of lies......

      November 3, 2011 at 12:20 pm |
  5. Observer

    tallulah13 and HAHAHA,

    Thanks for supplying honesty that was missing from the comments of Evolution Is A Lie.

    The Insti.tute for Creation Research (ICE) is a perfect name for them since they appear to be from the ICE Age.

    November 3, 2011 at 12:10 pm |
    • Observer

      My reference was to the 3 e's.

      November 3, 2011 at 12:18 pm |
  6. Chuckles

    For evolution is a lie

    How does it feel to display your ignorance to a huge amount of people on one of the biggest news outlets in the world? Is it sort of exhilerating when you see just how wrong you are and thats why you cling so tightly to your false facts or do you just enjoy posting stuff from your creationist website because it's just another tract to you?

    November 3, 2011 at 12:06 pm |
    • J.W

      I propose we just change the subject. I think all the atheists on here should just tell them what really terrifies them.

      November 3, 2011 at 12:08 pm |
    • Evolution Is A Lie

      You tell me, you have proven nothing Chuckie Boy.

      November 3, 2011 at 12:09 pm |
    • ThinkForYourself

      EIAL – all I'm hearing is crickets. Apparently you can find anything to cut and paste on this topic:

      If creationism – intelligent design – is oh so logical, then please answer this (everyone always ignores this, so I wno't hold my breath). We we didn't evolve, but were instead designed then why did our designer give us a nearly useless organ that is entirely unnecessary and occasionally kills? Is your designer not intelligent or sadistic?

      November 3, 2011 at 12:12 pm |
    • Chuckles

      @Evolution....

      Honestly, you ask but you don't really want an answer and I won't be able to find anything that will actually convince you, so why waste the breath? Usually when asking for proof there's a tacit agreement being made that if the person can provide the evidence you have the onus to accept it or reject with countering evidence.

      @JW

      Excellent idea. What really scares the bejessus out of me? ..................I honestly have an unnatural fear of hospitals. Everything about them just terrifies me and I freeze up everytime I just walk through the doorway. It could be the stench of fear and death in the air, the fact that germs are EVERYWHERE or that everyone is usually grim and serious there. Or all of the above, I just HATE hospitals SO much

      November 3, 2011 at 12:13 pm |
    • J.W

      You are probably just a germaphobe. I guess I am kind of afraid of being in a large group of people in a small area so that we are all crammed together. If I encountered an axe murderer I would not be able to get away. Or that person from high school that you kind of remember but really don't want to talk to. Or I may get sandwiched between 2 fat smelly guys.

      November 3, 2011 at 12:22 pm |
    • Chuckles

      @JW

      You may be right about the germaphobe thing, though I have no reservations earting something that might have fallen on the ground, and especially when I go camping, dirt, germs and all that stuff doesn't exist in so far as I need to wash out my bowl from the contents before just to get out the taste. I think hospitals just freak me out more because its a concentration of all of the big bad germs in one places, slinking around invisible, ready to infect anyone.

      I think you may have bigger issues about the being crammed in a tight space with a bunch of people if you think an ax murderer is just going to pop in and start slashing, but who am to judge? Then again, I decided to face my own fear and work in a hostpital for a couple of months, it was actually incredibly liberating..... except that throughout the day I would wash my hands obsessivly and shower before and after I went. I can honestly tell you I have never been as clean as I was then, before or after.

      November 3, 2011 at 12:27 pm |
    • DamianKnight

      Though I'm not an atheist, sharks and alligators/crocodiles/gar frighten me to no end. There's this area at Discovery Kingdom up here called "The Shark Experience" where you walk through a tube and can observe the sharks swimming all around you. By the end of it, my heart is racing, palms are sweaty and I'm just like "Ok, time to go." My wife enjoys making me go through it...I think she gets some sadistic joy out of watching this event occur.

      November 3, 2011 at 12:27 pm |
    • Chuckles

      Following up on Damian's fear, I also really really dislike the ocean and everything about it (except maybe the warm days that go along with going to the beach, but you can have a sunny day anywhere). I mean honestly, with the tide, the undertow, the salt, the sand, the other beach goers, sunburns, the creatures lurking under the waves, under the sand, on top of the sand, tsunamis and flashfloods, just all of it I could do without for years and be pretty happy about it. I was born in a landlocked state and I intend to stay landlocked, or if I must live on a coast, live inland enough so that I don't have to deal with the beach.

      November 3, 2011 at 12:33 pm |
    • J.W

      Well the murderer thing was kind of a joke. I think it is more my own self consciousness and being around a lot of people. I worry about what people think of me and things like that. I used to be extremely shy and basically never talk to anyone. I think I am a lot better about that now.
      Damian I am not afraid of any animals I do not think, but that is probably because I live in place where there really are no dangerous animals.

      November 3, 2011 at 12:35 pm |
    • HAHAHA

      "I also really really dislike the ocean"

      That's too bad because if you go snorkeling in the Caribbean you get to see all the colorful fish, coral, it's beautiful. I love it when a sea turtle swims by to say hi.

      November 3, 2011 at 12:37 pm |
    • Chuckles

      @HAHAHA

      Ok, I'm going to say something that you think might completely invalidate my previous statement, but like my hospital fear I decided to face my fear/dislike of the ocean and am SCUBA certified and was fortunate enough to scuba around the great coral reef in australia and you are correct, the reefs, the fishes, everything was incredible, almost breathtaking so I have to agree the ocean can offer some really amazing stuff as well, I just can't get over all my cons about it though. I think I would much rather just watch it on a TV.

      November 3, 2011 at 12:40 pm |
    • Chuckles

      @JW

      Yeah, I thought it might be a joke, answering a joke with a joke can get a little hairy I guess. As for fear of judgement, I got over that long ago after my sister would continually embarrass me in front our entire class on a regular basis for sh.its and I decided from about 6th grade on that when people judge others, they're really passing judgement on themselves and if they don't feel comfortable with how another person is acting/looks/speaks than it speaks more about the person making the judgement.

      November 3, 2011 at 12:52 pm |
    • J.W

      I guess I should just do what you did and confront my fear. I should just go to the mall and find people there to talk to. Or go to a bar I have never been to before and talk to the people there. Some people think I am a funny guy. Maybe I can use that to my advantage.

      November 3, 2011 at 12:56 pm |
    • DamianKnight

      Crowds don't frighten me, per se. They more make me angry. I hate feeling trapped and not able to go where I want to...or being able to see a place I should be able to go and can't get there because there is some guy in the way...or multiple guys. I just want to start shoving. As you can tell, if there's such a thing as a personal Hell, mine will be stuck in traffic.

      November 3, 2011 at 1:06 pm |
    • HAHAHA

      "Hell, mine will be stuck in traffic."

      I think I can top that, being stuck on an airplane with someone who has the need to talk for 4 hours straight.

      November 3, 2011 at 1:08 pm |
    • Chuckles

      Humor works perfectly, especially self-depricating humor. Pointing out your own flaws in a funny way can actually give you confidence where it used to be lack of confidence. For instance my sister (my dear, sweet sister) decided to make a joke at my expense during our b'nai mitzvah. It wasn't particularly funny and when she read it to me before our actual ceremony I let her keep it because frankly I thought it would be funnier watching her fall flat on her face trying to make an unfunny joke. 12 years later and I have yet to live it down. It was only a couple of years ago I decided to take ownership and make a shirt out of it and now I wear it whenever I'm around extended family.

      November 3, 2011 at 1:10 pm |
    • Chuckles

      @Damian

      I hear that, I think I about screamed my head off on the beltway once or twice trying to navigate through traffic. I can stand crowds on my feet, thats easy. My elbows go up and the shoving begins, but unfortuantely you can't play bumper cars on the road. I think I would have to agree with HAHAHA though, traffic aggrevates me to no end, but at least in my car I have my own space, music, possibly a copassenger. Sitting next to a chatty cathy on a plane for eternity could just be the worst thing ever

      November 3, 2011 at 1:14 pm |
    • DamianKnight

      @HAHA and Chuckles,

      Oh Lord, this worst is the teenie-bopper on her cell phone. "OMG! Did you see what Laura was wearing today? It was like soooooooooooo last season! I mean, like, come on! What was she thinking? Anyway, Bobby said to Michael, who told Joni, who told Tina that Carlos REAALLLY likes you!"

      I'm sorry, I think they should put a system in that allows you to make only a two minute phone call while on public transit. At the expiration, the phone terminates the call and for the next five minutes, you can't talk on it. That's enough for an emergency call out, but not enough to have some irritating conversation. The only thing slightly less irritating than a phone call on public transit is the overly-physical couple who doesn't understand that this is not your private make-out booth.

      November 3, 2011 at 1:27 pm |
    • Chuckles

      @Damian

      Funnily enough thats never bothered me. I get annoyed when someone is trying to single me out to talk to about something incredibly stupid and mundane, but when I'm a fly on the wall and here other people talking I just stare at them and actively listen to what they're saying. This will usually make them either quiet down or get off their phone altogether. One time I had a girl glare at me and when I still watched she put the phone to her chest and said "Mind your own business!" I then sweetly responded "if you don't want me to listen, then don't make it my business, and by the way, who's jerry?" After that, she just hung up and waited for the bus to stop so she could get off. I always find it hilarious that if someone doesn't want to be listened to while on the phone, then go to a more private place and talk quietly.

      November 3, 2011 at 1:32 pm |
    • DamianKnight

      @Chuckles,

      That's hysterical! One time, my buddy and I were riding on BART (our train system that runs through the Bay Area) and there were these two just going at it. My buddy leaned over and goes "Ooooo...what's that taste like?" The look he got from them was priceless and TOTALLY killed their mood. I about died from laughter, which got me equally dagger-like glares.

      But seriously, just because you put your phone to your head, doesn't put you in this bubble that protects others from hearing you.

      November 3, 2011 at 1:40 pm |
    • Chuckles

      @Damian

      Have you ever read No Exit? I think it's by Satre (I might be way off though) but basically its about 3 people trapped in a room and are talking with one another. Over the course of the book we learn they all died and are awaiting judgement but it never comes and through conversation we learn that the characters are specifically the polar opposite of one another that just their very presence irritates the others and the book basically leaves off with them, trapped in a room, always waiting for eternity, trapped together. Honestly, I couldn't put hel.l in more perspective than that.

      November 3, 2011 at 1:45 pm |
    • Love is Greatest

      All is vanity. What really matters when all is said and done, what have you done with your life? Have you lived for the dollar, for pleasure, for family, for friends, for food, for success, for honor, for fame? What are you living for? Why were you put here? If by a mere accident, what does it matter what type of legacy you leave behind? Any moment a comet could fall out of space and wipe out this planet. Why do the things that you do? What are you working for, so that you can have 10 years, maybe 5 years of retirement? Before I realized the truth, I was aimlessly prospecting for the perfect opportunity to be significant so I could be something. However, if what many say is true, no matter how much I try, I will never truly be anything. What significance does a Grammy, or a Fortune 500 company have when the universe turns us into dust? None, my accolades will be Insignificant, as they are now. Everything is in the NOW. So, it doesn’t matter if I remain a hardworking citizen, or if I am a loafer bum. The two are equal. Are you hoping for science to one day have a break through that will give us a couple more years, or a chance at a different type of lifestyle on a different planet, or in a new body? Many seem to be. Others, don’t care about their lives at all, most care and try to hold on to it. They don’t want to die. You don’t want to die, but, you don’t care what truth is. The truth has been given to us. We have indeed known the truth, some embrace it, and some choose to ignore this truth. What is truth? In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in him, should NOT perish, but have everlasting life. This son, was crucified by his kin, he died and 3 days later, he arose from the grave and ascended to Heaven to be with his Father the Creator until it is time for him to return as King, to Judge the world and those in it who choose to ignore this truth. This King’s name is Jesus Christ. We were given this world as a gift, but when the rules were laid down for our occupancy, we disobeyed. That’s why we who continue to disobey will be judged. That is truth. We are here to be obedient, to love others and serve others, to spread this truth, until we are given the opportunity to be purified from the pollution of this world. That’s it. We are not insignificant because God loves us and wants us to live abundantly, but we have to live by his rules. He is, the creator. There is hope, there is much hope. Life is much more significant and meaningful when you live by these rules. When you don’t live by these rules, life is draining, tiresome, and meaningless. I have experienced both sides, and there is a huge difference. Are you wrong who don’t believe, well…I believe you have been deceived. You do have the opportunity to search for this truth, and if you really look into this truth, you will not be disappointed. It will sweep you off of your feet. If you choose to ignore it, this truth will flee from you. To those who have, more will be given. To those who don’t have, more will be taken away.

      November 3, 2011 at 2:23 pm |
    • Chuckles

      @Love is Greatest

      The paragraph you typed makes me incredibly sad. How do you judge if something is worthwhile or not? If somthing has meaning or not? You also seem to dismiss the idea that even with a god and what not, no matter what you do on this earth, no matter what your legacy on earth is, it means nothing in the afterlife. What's the point of winning a nobel prize if all that hard word will do nothing for you in the afterlife? Meaning is where we assign it, regardless of religion tellings to or not. A comet could come out of nowhere tomorrow and smash into this planet killing almost everywhere, why should it bother you? The nihlism you believe is inherint in all atheists is actually more so in a religious persons mind as they believe their life should be devoted to their afterlife which is what is important, so this life is very unimportant. An atheist will disagree wholeheartedly saying this is the one chance we get so we need to make it count. Making it count could mean everything from running a fortune 500 company, making babies, caring for your parents and so on. Why do I need to have everlasting glory for eternity, what does it matter if someone in 100, 200, 1000 years after my death knows who I am or even my name? The answer is, it does not because I've accepted the idea of a finite life and have made my peace.

      November 3, 2011 at 2:32 pm |
    • HAHAHA

      “You don’t want to die” – That is a lie, I could care less, everyday is a good day to die, I don’t live in fear of it. If I died today it will be with no regrets.
      “When you don’t live by these rules, life is draining, tiresome, and meaningless.” – That is a lie.

      “Are you wrong who don’t believe, well…I believe you have been deceived.” – Another lie.

      “To those who have, more will be given.” LOL – that’s why there are so many unemployed christians right now.
      _
      “None, my accolades will be Insignificant, as they are now. Everything is in the NOW. So, it doesn’t matter if I remain a hardworking citizen, or if I am a loafer bum.”

      Guess what the same can be applied to those that believe in a god too. LOL!

      November 3, 2011 at 2:45 pm |
    • J.W

      Personally I have never liked that way of thinking. Sure in the course of history maybe what we do is pretty much meaningless. But what we do still is meaningful for the people close to us. We should still strive to have a positive effect on our families and communities.

      November 3, 2011 at 2:53 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Hey, J.W. I'm a little late for this game, but my great fear is bridges. I'm not good with heights at all, and when I'm commuting across a bridge, I get this irrational fear that whatever vehicle I'm in will go over the edge and I'll be trapped underwater. I have nightmares about bridges. One included Gene Siskel pushing a bike, but that's another tale for another day.

      November 3, 2011 at 11:35 pm |
    • tallulah13

      @Love is Greatest

      Actually, Ali was the Greatest.

      November 4, 2011 at 9:55 pm |
    • Secretariat

      Actually, Ali was at best the second greatest. I mean, when did Howard Cosell ever say "Ali is moving like a TREMENDOUS machine!"? That's right, never.

      November 4, 2011 at 10:01 pm |
  7. Sue

    Our blog-stuffing poster, "EIAL", exposed:

    This person or persons using the inflammatory handle "Evolution Is A Lie" is plagiarizing his frequent, lengthy posts, without references, from easily found creationist shill sources going by names such as "AV Bible Believers Fellowship" http://www.avbbf.com and a variety of similar names. Even the punctuation and grammatical errors have been exactly copied. The same content is duplicated on a variety of sites, again without references. You can draw your own conclusions from that.

    This just shows yet again how desperate creationists are to support their absurd case.

    November 3, 2011 at 12:05 pm |
    • Evolution Is A Lie

      Sue...and where are your facts, the only thing you have proven today is that you can find the same facts I found. Good for you!

      November 3, 2011 at 12:11 pm |
    • Sue

      PS tallulah13's post came in while I was composing mine, and mine supports what he found. Sad that the content that EIAL is copying has been stuffed into so many places previously.

      Good work, tallulah13, and thank you.

      November 3, 2011 at 12:12 pm |
    • Observer

      It's always a joke when someone's website source can't even get grammar correct.

      November 3, 2011 at 12:14 pm |
    • Evolution Is A Lie

      observer....i've seen many typos from you so you are not to be credited at all either.

      November 3, 2011 at 12:41 pm |
    • Observer

      Evolution Is A Lie,
      "observer....i've seen many typos from you so you are not to be credited at all either."

      I try to eliminate all of them. Next time you find one, let me know. I'll be waiting.

      There's a BIG difference between a hastily typed response here and a formal edited website. Try again.

      November 3, 2011 at 12:52 pm |
    • fred

      Sue
      I fail to see how evolution or geology changes anything as to God. If there is God most would agree God can use any method and create any time line at will. Even if science closes all the "gaps" there will remain that unknown force or non force behind the known. We are no different that Abraham who had to make the choice to follow God towards the promised land or stay on the land he knew.

      November 3, 2011 at 2:08 pm |
    • Brad

      Fred, methinks you fail to see a lot of things.

      November 3, 2011 at 5:55 pm |
    • fred

      Brad
      In the Bible we have "in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth"........unspecified qualities yet given the upcoming devastation assumed to be different.........some unknown period of time...."earth was formless and water covered the deep".........unknown period of time......."let there be light"...."God made man"
      There is your beginning and we see the Bible has gaps and science has gaps. Why battle the battle over the gaps and why would one unknown be any better than another unknown.
      Do take special note God created all then made man from what was already created.

      November 3, 2011 at 6:52 pm |
  8. Pesky bird

    EVIAL-Don't ya forget the Piltdown bird.

    November 3, 2011 at 12:04 pm |
    • Evolution Is A Lie

      From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
      The "Archaeoraptor" fossil"Archaeoraptor" is the generic name informally assigned in 1999 to a fossil from China in an article published in National Geographic magazine. The magazine claimed that the fossil was a "missing link" between birds and terrestrial theropod dinosaurs. Even prior to this publication there had been severe doubts about the fossil's authenticity. It led to a scandal when evidence demonstrated it to be a forgery through further scientific study. The forgery was constructed from rearranged pieces of real fossils from different species. Zhou et al. found that the head and upper body actually belong to a specimen of the primitive fossil bird Yanornis.[1] A 2002 study found that the tail belongs to a small winged dromaeosaur, Microraptor, named in 2000.[2] The legs and feet belong to an as yet unknown animal.[3][4]
      The "Archaeoraptor" scandal has ongoing ramifications. The scandal brought attention to illegal fossil deals conducted in China. It also highlighted the need for close scientific scrutiny of purported "missing links" published in journals which are not peer-reviewed. The fossil scandal has been used by creationists to cast doubt on evolutionary theory.

      November 3, 2011 at 12:15 pm |
    • HAHAHA

      "Wikipedia"

      LOL! He's using wiki! LMAO! Anyone can post on that site and edit it – it's why you have to actually check your facts. LOL!

      November 3, 2011 at 12:18 pm |
    • J.W

      Wiki can be reliable, but you have to watch to make sure there are references to back up what is posted there.

      November 3, 2011 at 12:23 pm |
    • HellBent

      At least wiki's a step up from that absurd creationist website.

      November 3, 2011 at 12:24 pm |
    • Evolution Is A Lie

      I guess you're the genius that's proven it's real.

      November 3, 2011 at 12:26 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Tiktaalik.
      Look it up.

      November 3, 2011 at 1:16 pm |
    • Wacky Weiner

      Hoaxes are equal-opportunity adventures:

      "The Holy Foreskin first made an appearance in medieval Europe around 800 ad, when King Charlemagne presented it as a gift to Pope Leo III. Charlemagne said it had been given to him by an angel.

      The Church eventually sought to extract itself from the Holy Foreskin controversy and adopted the view that all the rival foreskins were frauds. In 1900 it made it a crime punishable by excommunication to write or speak about the Holy Foreskin."

      –http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/archive/display/category/religion

      November 3, 2011 at 1:31 pm |
  9. hippypoet

    here CLAY – here is an exerp from that lovely site you tossed me –

    May we not from these data, judge approximately of the age of the world, and show by this proof also, that the world can not be at all as old as the evolution theory demands? If the surface of the earth will be worn down 1200 feet on an average in 6,000,000 years, would it not also be true that the surface has been worn down at least 1200 feet in the last 6,000,000 years? For the higher the surface, the more rapid the erosion. And if the earth is 8,302,210 years old, as Lord Kelvin computes, then at the same rate, it must have been worn down an average of 1660 feet–38% more than remains. Is this not a fair estimate for the amount of erosion and the age of the world? How high must the land have averaged, if the world is even 60,000,000 years old?

    thats some funny sh!t

    November 3, 2011 at 11:59 am |
    • Evolution Is A Lie

      You're not the only one who laughs.............................................
      The Lord laughs at the wicked, for He knows their day is coming.” Psalm 37:13
      “Let us break their chains,” they say, “and throw off their fetters.” The One enthroned in heaven laughs; the Lord scoffs at them. Then He rebukes them in His anger and terrifies them in His wrath!” Psalm 2:3-5
      God laughs to see men’s folly-to see poor, weak clay strive with the Almighty Potter. But let the wicked remember that God is never more angry with them-than when He laughs! After His laughing, then He shall speak to them in His wrath. “I in turn will laugh at your disaster; I will mock when calamity overtakes you!” Proverbs 1:26

      November 3, 2011 at 12:08 pm |
    • HellBent

      So your god is sadistic. congrats. Wanna cookie?

      November 3, 2011 at 12:09 pm |
    • Evolution Is A Lie

      hellbound, no he is not mocked by rebellious creations like you. Ask Satan.

      November 3, 2011 at 12:27 pm |
    • clay

      @Hippypoet
      And what's wrong with that? He has paragraphs of evidence, yet you ridicule it without disputing it. He combined several theories of the age of the world, and used them to create a frame for it's maximum and minimum age. Are you reading it, or skimming it, looking for things to ridicule?

      November 3, 2011 at 12:30 pm |
    • HAHAHA

      "Ask Satan."

      It doesn't exist, now what?

      November 3, 2011 at 12:30 pm |
    • Evolution Is A Lie

      hahaha.........you wish.

      November 3, 2011 at 12:35 pm |
    • hippypoet

      clay, you are an idiot – the dino lived 65 million years ago – yet the site argues that the erth isn't even 60 million years old... it argues that from walking on the surface we would have destoryed the planets surface by now if it wasn't created by god – ever heard of tectonic plates... go find out what an earthquake is...your web site is full of completely non sciencfic moronic ideas that can't be founded in reality or we'd all know it! the earth is 4.4 billion years old, the universe is 14.5 billion years old, thats a provible fact! get over it!

      November 3, 2011 at 12:35 pm |
    • HAHAHA

      "hahaha.........you wish."

      Ok, since you think it does prove it, without using the fictional bible.

      November 3, 2011 at 12:38 pm |
    • HellBent

      "The Lord laughs at the wicked, for He knows their day is coming"

      Your god creates people knowing that they'll be wicked. He knows before he creates them that he's going to torture them. And he laughs about it. How, exactly, is that not sadistic.

      If I knew, before I had a kid, that I was going to torture that kid, and then I laughed when I did it, someone would lock me up and throw away the key – and rightly so.

      November 3, 2011 at 6:19 pm |
  10. Doc Vestibule

    GRAVITY IS A LIE
    Gravity—which is taught to our children as a law—is founded on great gaps in understanding. The laws predict the mutual force between all bodies of mass, but they cannot explain that force. Isaac Newton himself said, 'I suspect that my theories may all depend upon a force for which philosophers have searched all of nature in vain.' Of course, he is alluding to a higher power.
    Let's take a look at the evidence.
    In Matthew 15:14, Jesus says, 'And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.' He says nothing about some gravity making them fall—just that they will fall. Then, in Job 5:7, we read, 'But mankind is born to trouble, as surely as sparks fly upwards.' If gravity is pulling everything down, why do the sparks fly upwards with great surety? This clearly indicates that a conscious intelligence governs all falling.
    Traditional scientists admit that they cannot explain how gravitation is supposed to work. What the gravity-agenda scientists need to realize is that 'gravity waves' and 'gravitons' are just secular words for 'God can do whatever He wants.
    Anti-falling physicists have been theorizing for decades about the 'electromagnetic force,' the 'weak nuclear force,' the 'strong nuclear force,' and so-called 'force of gravity. And they tilt their findings toward trying to unite them into one force. But readers of the Bible have already known for millennia what this one, unified force is: His name is Jesus.
    (plagiarized from The Onion)

    November 3, 2011 at 11:56 am |
    • Chuckles

      I remember reading this article when they first rolled it out and thinking it was funny then. It's perfectly apt now, good job on the find!

      November 3, 2011 at 12:04 pm |
    • DamianKnight

      Ok, even as a Christian, I admit, I found that highly amusing.

      November 3, 2011 at 12:17 pm |
    • Allium Fantasticus

      This one from "the Onion" is great too:

      SUMERIANS LOOK ON IN CONFUSION AS GOD CREATES WORLD

      Members of the earth's earliest known civilization, the Sumerians, looked on in shock and confusion some 6,000 years ago as God, the Lord Almighty, created Heaven and Earth.

      According to recently excavated clay tablets inscribed with cuneiform script, thousands of Sumerians—the first humans to establish systems of writing, agriculture, and government—were working on their sophisticated irrigation systems when the Father of All Creation reached down from the ether and blew the divine spirit of life into their thriving civilization.

      "I do not understand," reads an ancient line of pictographs depicting the sun, the moon, water, and a Sumerian who appears to be scratching his head. "A booming voice is saying, 'Let there be light,' but there is already light. It is saying, 'Let the earth bring forth grass,' but I am already standing on grass."

      "Everything is here already," the pictograph continues. "We do not need more stars."

      Historians believe that, immediately following the biblical event, Sumerian witnesses returned to the city of Eridu, a bustling metropolis built 1,500 years before God called for the appearance of dry land, to discuss the new development. According to records, Sumerian farmers, priests, and civic administrators were not only befuddled, but also took issue with the face of God moving across the water, saying that He scared away those who were traveling to Mesopotamia to participate in their vast and intricate trade system.

      Moreover, the Sumerians were taken aback by the creation of the same animals and herb-yielding seeds that they had been domesticating and cultivating for hundreds of generations.

      "The Sumerian people must have found God's making of heaven and earth in the middle of their well-established society to be more of an annoyance than anything else," said Paul Helund, ancient history professor at Cornell University. "If what the pictographs indicate are true, His loud voice interrupted their ancient prayer rituals for an entire week."

      According to the cuneiform tablets, Sumerians found God's most puzzling act to be the creation from dust of the first two human beings.

      "These two people made in his image do not know how to communicate, lack skills in both mathematics and farming, and have the intellectual capacity of an infant," one Sumerian philosopher wrote. "They must be the creation of a complete idiot." –http://www.theonion.com/articles/sumerians-look-on-in-confusion-as-god-creates-worl,2879/

      November 3, 2011 at 12:22 pm |
  11. Factoid

    what terrifies an atheist?

    -The TRUTH!!!

    November 3, 2011 at 11:52 am |
    • hippypoet

      perhaps that is right, because the truth is far more painful then having a thought control your life – it takes true courage to stand on your own... truth can be more painful then bedtime stories – maybe thats why all you believers are such whinners... you are all babies wanting another bedtime story!

      November 3, 2011 at 11:55 am |
    • HAHAHA

      "what terrifies an atheist?

      -The TRUTH!!!"

      LOL! Like you would know what that really means. LMAO! What's your definition of truth? LOL!

      November 3, 2011 at 11:55 am |
    • Evolution Is A Lie

      Hahablahblah......what do you know about truth? you only believe what someone tells you to believe.

      November 3, 2011 at 12:04 pm |
    • HAHAHA

      "what do you know about truth? you only believe what someone tells you to believe."

      So do you moron – it was someone who wrote the bible, idiot, not a god.

      November 3, 2011 at 12:06 pm |
    • Evolution Is A Lie

      you're the idiot. the bible was not written by one person, it was written by many authors at many different times. It has prophecy written hundreds of years that has now been fulfilled. Can you do that genius.

      November 3, 2011 at 12:38 pm |
    • HAHAHA

      "It has prophecy written hundreds of years that has now been fulfilled. Can you do that genius."

      The Mayan and Nostradamus had proficiencies fulfilled, so they must be gods too. LOL! The point was moron, men wrote the bible, not a god.

      November 3, 2011 at 12:41 pm |
    • Bucky Ball

      "It has prophecy written hundreds of years that has now been fulfilled." Here is a perfect example of someone who is completely uneducated in biblical matters. The function of a prophet was NOT to tell the future. It was to "speak truth to power".. If you really think prophets were about predicting the future, you sure can work in Hollywood, but stay away from any serious academic campus. Maybe you should get to work on the Sasquatch. There is a big market for that crap too. 😈

      November 3, 2011 at 2:29 pm |
  12. tallulah13

    The person who uses the screen name "Evolution Is A Lie" has plagiarized most of his/her posts whole cloth from The Insti.tute for Creation Research. Since this person wasn't polite enough to give credit where it was due, I figured I'd do it for him/her.

    http://www.icr.org

    November 3, 2011 at 11:38 am |
    • Evolution Is A Lie

      Tallo.....thank you so much for getting their name out there. Maybe all you lost souls will take a look at Real science now. Glad you found it!

      November 3, 2011 at 11:40 am |
    • HAHAHA

      The Institution for Creation Research was a California-based school that moved to the Dallas area three years ago.

      They applied to Texas' Higher Educ ation Coordinating Board for certification to give master's degrees in science; the HE CB reviewed their curriculum and turned them down. They sued.

      A federal judge in Austin has ruled against the group and in favor of the HE CB, in a ruling that stings pretty hard.

      "It appears that although the court has twice required [ICR] to re-plead and set forth a short and plain statement of the relief requested, plaintiff is entirely unable to file a complaint which is not overly verbose, disjo inted, incoh erent, mau ndering and full of irrelev ant information," Judge Sam Sparks wrote.

      And then he got to the meat of the case.
      The Court notes for the record it enters no opinion here on whether it agrees with the Board's decision. It does not " judge the wisdom, fairness, or logic" of the Board's decision, because it has no juri sdiction to do so. The Court simply comes to the con clusion, which is inescapable, that the decision was rationally related to a legitimate state interest.
      He noted that the IC R is free to teach the course any way they want even with his ruling; they just can't offer a certified master's degree in science to graduates.

      And that's probably a good thing. In his summary judgment ruling Spa rks said Joseph Staff ord, one of the people reviewing the issue for the state:
      quoted the following excerpts from ICR GS's program catalog:

      1. "It is the position of the institute that...all genuine facts of science support the Bible."

      2. "The phenomenon of biological life did not develop by natural processes from inanimate systems but was specially and supernaturally created by the creator."

      3. "All things in the uni verse were created and made by God in the six literal days of the Creation Week described in Genesis...[.] The creation record is factual, historical, and perspicuous; thus all theories of origin and development that involve evolution in any form are false. (emphasis added by Stafford).

      Dr. Stafford concluded these statements (and others) constituted a rejection of the fundamental principles which guide what scientists do, because scientists must "remain open to all facts and all observations of natural phenomena in order to refine and improve their comprehensive explanations of how natural processes appear to work."

      The Natio nal Center for Scie nce Educa tion praised the ruling, calling it "a significant legal defeat" for the ICR.

      November 3, 2011 at 11:52 am |
    • HellBent

      "Real science"

      You're really cracking me up today, EIAL. Thanks again for the laugh. I'll as.sum,e for your own sake, that you don't even buy that what that site purports to peddle is actually science – otherwise you'd have been referencing it all along.

      November 3, 2011 at 11:53 am |
    • Observer

      Evolution Is A Lie,
      "Maybe all you lost souls will take a look at Real science now. Glad you found it"

      Your idea of "real science" is talking serpents; stopping the earth immediately with no after-effects; and unicorns.

      LOL.

      November 3, 2011 at 12:00 pm |
    • Evolution Is A Lie

      You serve a judge's opinion and i'll serve God the CREATOR!

      November 3, 2011 at 12:01 pm |
    • HAHAHA

      "God the CREATOR!"

      You have no proof of it.

      November 3, 2011 at 12:03 pm |
    • Evolution Is A Lie

      Observer...you're hung up on unicorns huh!

      November 3, 2011 at 12:03 pm |
    • Observer

      Evolution Is A Lie
      "Observer...you're hung up on unicorns huh!"

      Nope, not at all. I know they aren't real. It's YOUR Bible that references them several times. Read it sometime if you missed it.

      November 3, 2011 at 12:22 pm |
    • Tallulah13

      I was merely pointing out that you were stealing the words of others and pretending they were your own. Sadly, you don't possess the integrity or decency to acknowledge that theft. You're just an ignorant buffoon, trying to feel important by parroting words you found comforting.

      November 3, 2011 at 12:49 pm |
  13. Evolution Is A Lie

    For chuckie, sue, hellbound, and hippy boy......... This blows your galapogos out of the water. sorry!
    http://www.dakotavoice.com/2009/11/at-galapagos-proving-darwin-wrong/

    November 3, 2011 at 11:35 am |
    • HAHAHA

      He's quoting a movie producer. LMAO! LOL!

      November 3, 2011 at 11:38 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Awwww. I feel left out.
      But of course, you haven't addressed any of my counter-arguments to your absurdities.

      November 3, 2011 at 11:38 am |
    • Evolution Is A Lie

      At the 150th anniversary of Charles Darwin’s ”On the Origin of Species,” a group of Christian scientists gone into the belly of the beast…to demonstrate the fallacies and weaknesses of Darwin’s ideas.

      Scientists you science freaks!

      November 3, 2011 at 11:42 am |
    • ThinkForYourself

      EIAL – still waiting:

      If creationism – intelligent design – is oh so logical, then please answer this (everyone always ignores this, so I wno't hold my breath). We we didn't evolve, but were instead designed then why did our designer give us a nearly useless organ that is entirely unnecessary and occasionally kills? Is your designer not intelligent or sadistic?

      November 3, 2011 at 11:49 am |
    • HellBent

      "a group of Christian scientists gone into the belly of the beast…to demonstrate the fallacies and weaknesses of Darwin’s ideas."

      And still zero references. Pathetic and sad, really. You clearly know that your views on evolution are immensely weak – why else would you refuse to cite any sources?

      November 3, 2011 at 11:51 am |
  14. Rainbow Dash is Best Pony

    simple logical point. careful this inviles some deductive reasoning or w.e says apes are A and modern humans Z we have already found A,B,C,D,E and say G,P,R,S, V,X,Y,then us Z. each letter representing an intermediate species of animal the progressing forward is closer and closer to what we are today and going in reverse is more and more apelike. Saying that sinply because we dont have Q or H and that automatically invalidates the enitre theory is simply bad logic.

    November 3, 2011 at 11:32 am |
    • Evolution Is A Lie

      The problem with your little theory is that we have A and Z and the rest is missing. All assumptions no facts.

      November 3, 2011 at 11:36 am |
    • Yo

      "All assumptions no facts."

      Yo moron the same goes for your religion idiot.

      November 3, 2011 at 11:39 am |
    • Evolution Is A Lie

      Wrong, I got a Bible full of facts, being fulfilled as we speak!

      November 3, 2011 at 11:43 am |
    • HellBent

      "The problem with your little theory is that we have A and Z and the rest is missing."

      Once again, definitely not walking by sight because you're obviously blinds to evidence, facts, theories, models...

      November 3, 2011 at 11:44 am |
    • Evolution Is A Lie

      hellbent..... i think you're right, you did evolve from a sponge.

      November 3, 2011 at 11:47 am |
    • Ned Nickerson and Nancy play golf with Mortimer

      The fact that YOU don't know about the intermediate forms that have been found, PROVE you are no scientist, and, even assuming they hadn't found any, jumping to "god must have done it" if for two year olds.

      November 3, 2011 at 11:50 am |
    • HellBent

      "hellbent..... i think you're right, you did evolve from a sponge."

      Creationist handbook p152: When someone points out how illogical your position is, deflect. You have no counterargument, so its better to take the discussion to the level of a fourth grader rather than attempting to back up your claims ... because you can't.

      November 3, 2011 at 12:15 pm |
    • Observer

      HellBent,

      Yes, whenever someone has no facts to support their theories, they resort to juvenile insults.

      November 3, 2011 at 12:39 pm |
  15. Gaunt

    'Evolutionisalie', here is your chance.

    Please provide one single positive, verifyable proof of creationism. Just one. Any one. I mean, you have claimed repeatedly silly things like 'all the evience supports creationism', and other such mindless soundytes, so as I see it there are only two options.

    EITHER, you now provide a single example of positive, verifyable evidence for creationism;

    OR

    You are a pathalogical liar who has been spewing cr@p on these boards knowing full well that everything you say is a lie.

    Well, which is it?

    November 3, 2011 at 11:31 am |
    • Evolution Is A Lie

      I have posted so many facts from scientist who know way more than anyone on this blog and you refuse to read facts. So stop begging for facts that you don't want. They may lead you to a God you don't want, with judgement for your evil lives that you also don't want. Live in the dark until judgement day. That's your choice. Think you came from an ape until you stand before your maker and are sent to eternal hell. Risk it for your pride. Burn for all eternity because you are too educated for God. Let worms eat you where you never die. Have fun!

      November 3, 2011 at 11:46 am |
    • HellBent

      You haven't posted out one single "fact" that actually supports evolution. As someone stated earlier, you clearly have no idea what that word means.

      November 3, 2011 at 11:47 am |
    • Kenrick Benjamin

      From dust thou Comet and to dust thou shall return.

      November 3, 2011 at 11:54 am |
  16. Doc Vestibule

    @Evolution is Lie
    The applied Theory of Evolution is a fundamental component of countless scientific advances.
    Thanks to greater understanding of Darwin's 5 Laws of Evolution, we now have:
    •Bioinformatics, a multi-billion-dollar industry, consisting largely of the comparison of genetic sequences. Descent with modification is one of its most basic as.sumptions.
    •Diseases and pests evolve resistance to the drugs and pesticides we use against them. Evolutionary theory is used in the field of resistance management in both medicine and agriculture
    •Evolutionary theory is used to manage fisheries for greater yields .
    •Artificial selection has been used since prehistory, but it has become much more efficient with the addition of quant.itative trait locus mapping.
    •Knowledge of the evolution of parasite virulence in human populations can help guide public health policy .
    •S.ex allocation theory, based on evolution theory, was used to predict conditions under which the highly endangered ka.kapo bird would produce more female offspring, which retrieved it from the brink of extinction .
    •Tracing genes of known function and comparing how they are related to unknown genes helps one to predict unknown gene function, which is foundational for drug discovery .
    •Phylogenetic an.alysis is a standard part of epidemiology, since it allows the identification of disease reservoirs and sometimes the tracking of step-by-step transmission of disease. For example, phylogenetic an.alysis confirmed that a Florida dentist was infecting his patients with HIV, that HIV-1 and HIV-2 were transmitted to humans from chimpanzees and mangabey monkeys in the twentieth century, and, when polio was being eradicated from the Americas, that new cases were not coming from hidden reservoirs. It was used in 2002 to help convict a man of intentionally infecting someone with HIV. The same principle can be used to trace the source of bioweapons .
    •Phylogenetic an.alysis to track the diversity of a pathogen can be used to select an appropriate vaccine for a particular region .
    •Ribotyping is a technique for identifying an organism or at least finding its closest known relative by mapping its ribosomal RNA onto the tree of life. It can be used even when the organisms cannot be cultured or recognized by other methods. Ribotyping and other genotyping methods have been used to find previously unknown infectious agents of human disease .
    •Phylogenetic ana.lysis helps in determining protein folds, since proteins diverging from a common ancestor tend to conserve their folds
    Directed evolution allows the "breeding" of molecules or molecular pathways to create or enhance products, including:
    •enzymes
    •pigments
    •antibiotics
    •flavors
    •biopolymers
    •bacterial strains to decompose hazardous materials.
    Directed evolution can also be used to study the folding and function of natural enzymes

    The proof is in the pudding!

    November 3, 2011 at 11:26 am |
  17. hippypoet

    the handle "Evolution Is A Lie" is a compete moron who doesn't supply any proof to his statements... don't engage in a convo with this creature unless facts are of no importance to you. Religion is a blinding tool. Let those who have eyes come to see the truth in this world and not be brought down by all the simple-minded fools running there mouth.

    November 3, 2011 at 11:23 am |
    • clay

      Here's some proof.
      http://ldolphin.org/wmwilliams.html

      November 3, 2011 at 11:25 am |
    • hippypoet

      right – clay, science is done by unbaised minds, the site you gave me was done by a priest dude....

      The Evolution of Man
      Scientifically Disproved
      in 50 Arguments

      By REV. WILLIAM A. WILLIAMS

      i will read beyond this, but this makes it all suspect to being from a bias point of view!

      November 3, 2011 at 11:28 am |
    • hippypoet

      clay do you believe everything on that web site? i have to ask before i keep talking with you, i must know where you stand or else i am posting an argument for no reason but to take up time at work!

      November 3, 2011 at 11:32 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      The Scientist says:
      "This is my hyopthesis. Everybody now please try and disprove it."
      The Shama says:
      "This is my Truth. No questions allowed."

      November 3, 2011 at 11:34 am |
    • clay

      Actually, from what I've read so far, he's only used science. Are you surprised a reverend could understand Science? Christianity isn't against science, it's against the use of science to replace religion. Well... except for the Amish, but I've never had any contact with their religion, so I can't form much of an opinion.

      November 3, 2011 at 11:35 am |
    • Evolution Is A Lie

      God says, this is my creation, I alone decide who survives.

      November 3, 2011 at 11:39 am |
    • clay

      @ hippypoet
      I haven't read it the whole way through yet, but aside from the references to God (which are kind of obligatory for a reverend) his proof is mostly scientific. I just skimmed the intro though, so I may have missed something. I didn't even notice he was a reverend.
      Anyway, my main reason for throwing the site around is because
      A) I think people should read the proof both for and against evolution before they make a decision. Reading only one side of the argument creates people like "The Evidence Supports Evolution, Not Creation" and "Evolution Is A Lie," who can sit here for hours arguing and never get anywhere.
      B) So far, it seems like a good source. The references to God aren't much a part of his evidence, or even entirely his reason for posting it. His reason is mostly the same as mine: to make sure both sides of issue see the light of day, rather then Scientists monopolizing the argument by burying the problematic sides of it. A theory isn't accepted as total fact unless you can either disprove those problems or ignore them. I want to make sure people aren't believing it entirely for the latter. Objective journalism is necessary. And rare on topics like religion.

      November 3, 2011 at 11:46 am |
    • hippypoet

      ok see i was hoping you were smarter then this, but hey...your god made you in his image, so your god must be dumb. But lets get back to the topic – your web site!

      number 1 is the math to disprove – well the number of humans on the planet in the sites views – has been an ever growing one... not counting the mass disease and mur-dering, plauge and wars that go on! so that math is completely off..

      number 5 states that because there was intelligent civilizations before 1500 bc that means we were created... thats a huge @ssumtion!

      number 8 is my favorite – 8. NO NEW SPECIES NOW – check out cnn's aticle about the new species of dolphin! and what about this – The Galapagos Islands is home to 13 species of finch, belonging to 4 genera. These finches all evolved from a single species similar to the blue-black grassquit finch.

      your priest is a biased untrained sciencist who should keep his moronic ideas and hopes to himself!

      November 3, 2011 at 11:49 am |
    • clay

      "ok see i was hoping you were smarter then this, but hey...your god made you in his image, so your god must be dumb. But lets get back to the topic – your web site!"
      He also made you in his image. So following your own logic, that either makes both of us really smart, or really dumb.
      "number 1" ??? That's basically what he said. The only difference between your summary of human growth and his was that he added an estimate of how long it takes the world's population. After calculating that, he estimated the number of lives lost to plagues, wars, etc. I don't get what point you're trying to make.
      "number 5" Actually, it's not an @ssuption. That's the pre-existing Scientific estimation of how old the Egyptian empire is. Where did yo get the idea that he believed that was the age of civilization? He makes references to art found in Ur dating 3000BC.
      "number 8" Technically, the discovery of a new species doesn't prove it evolved while we weren't looking. It could just as easily mean we just didn't know of it's existence before. D you know of the coelacanth? It was thought to be extinct and rediscovered alive. We don't know everything that happens on this Earth. Multiple species of Finches just prove that there are multiple species of finches. You have no proof that the evolved.
      "your priest is a biased untrained sciencist who should keep his moronic ideas and hopes to himself!"
      Wait... Didn't you make a post on the article "In age of political vitriol, opposing Christians call for civility" about CHRISTIANS being the uncivil ones? Way to disprove yourself.

      November 3, 2011 at 12:12 pm |
    • Ned Nickerson and Nancy play golf with Mortimer

      Clay,
      re : http://ldolphin.org/wmwilliams.html
      If you really can read that crap, and are not able to see the glaring errors in his logic, and assumptions, then it is no wonder you are here trying to defend Creationism. It's a pile of dung, from the very first time he talks about god and mathematics.

      November 3, 2011 at 3:41 pm |
  18. Evolution Is A Lie

    Evolutionists often speak of missing links. They say that the bridge between man and the apes is the "missing link," the hypothetical ape-like ancestor of both. But there are supposed missing links all over the evolutionary tree. For instance, dogs and bears are thought to be evolutionary cousins, related to each other through a missing link. The same could be said for every other stop on the tree. All of the animal types are thought to have arisen by the transformation of some other animal type, and at each branching node is a missing link, and between the node and the modern form are many more.

    If you still don't know what a missing link is, don't worry. No one knows what a missing link is, because they are missing! We've never seen one. They're still missing. Evolution depends on innumerable missing links, each of which lived in the unobserved past and have gone extinct, replaced by their evermore evolved descendants.

    November 3, 2011 at 11:17 am |
    • HellBent

      This posts proves that you know nothing about fossil formations. You realize of course that every found 'link' means there are two more 'missing' links, right? Probably not given the clear demonstration so far of your inability to think logically.

      November 3, 2011 at 11:20 am |
    • Huh?

      "But there are supposed missing links all over the evolutionary tree. "

      Archaeopteryx was half reptile, half bird.
      The first dramatic missing link came to light in 1861, only a couple of years after Darwin’s Origin of Species had been published. The first specimen of Archaeopteryx was discovered in a limestone quarry in southern Germany, and it was studied avidly by scientists throughout Europe. Early writers, such as Thomas Henry Huxley, immediately noticed that Archaeopteryx was an intermediate form.
      Model of Archaeopteryx lithographica in the Oxford University Museum of Natural History. Photo: Michael Reeve
      It had bird characters, feathers and wings.
      It also had reptilian characters, the skeleton of a small theropod (flesh-eating) dinosaur, with a long bony tail, fingers with claws on the leading edge of the wing, and teeth in the jaws.
      The role of Archaeopteryx has been debated ever since 1861. Is it really a missing link between reptiles and birds, or is it just a bird and not a missing link at all?
      Fossils show how some reptiles became more bird-like.
      A further seven skeletons have come to light, and all of them confirm that Huxley was correct.
      In addition, fantastic new specimens of birds have been found in Spain and China, which are some 30 or 40 million years younger than Archaeopteryx, and they are more bird-like, exactly as an evolutionist predicts.
      The new Spanish and Chinese birds have short bony tails, and their hand claws are reduced – they are becoming more bird-like.
      The Chinese localities have not only produced amazing new birds, but also new dinosaur specimens with feathers!
      It is now known that birds evolved from reptiles.
      These new specimens clinch the argument. Archaeopteryx is no longer on its own, a single species that attests to the reality of an evolutionary transition from reptiles to birds. Below it, on the evolutionary tree, stretch countless theropod dinosaurs that become ever more birdlike through time, and above it stretch numerous bird species that bridge every step of the way from Archaeopteryx to fully-fledged birds. A long series of fossils through the Jurassic and Cretaceous periods, a span of 140 million years, document the evolutionary transition from reptile to bird.

      Jaws to ears: An example of tracking missing links
      Mammals can be traced back to reptilian origins.
      The evolutionary route from reptile to mammal is known in just as much detail. Between the Permian and Triassic periods, mammal-like reptiles evolved from basal forms that were fully reptilian. Through dozens of intermediate steps they evolved into mammals by the Late Triassic, some 225 million years ago. All the steps are evident in fossils:
      Jaws tell the story of reptile to mammal transition.
      Step-by-step, palaeontologists can see the switch from peg-like reptilian teeth to the differentiated teeth of mammals (incisors, canines, molars).
      Step-by-step the complex reptilian jaw, with five separate bones, changes to the mammalian jaw, with only one bone, the dentary.
      In reptiles, both today and in the past, the jaw joint lies between the articular bone at the back of the lower jaw, and the quadrate bone in the skull.
      In mammals, on the other hand, the jaw joint is between the dentary and the squamosal element of the skull.
      Most amazing of all is the evolutionary transition to the mammalian middle ear.
      In reptiles, as in amphibians and fishes, there is a single hearing bone, the stapes, which is simply a straight rod that links the eardrum to the hearing structures of the inner ear and the brain.
      Mammals, including humans, have three ear ossicles (small bones), the malleus, incus and stapes (or hammer, anvil, and stirrup).
      The evolutionary steps were worked out first in Victorian times by the study of mammal embryos and then the fossils confirmed it:
      You hear yourself chewing because parts of your hearing structure evolved from reptilian jawbones.
      The mammalian stapes is the same as that of their ancestors. But the malleus and incus have moved into the middle ear from their former function as the reptilian jaw joint.
      Life is stranger than fiction: the reptilian lower jaw has been subsumed into the mammalian middle ear to enhance the hearing function.
      And the fossils show how some Triassic mammal-like reptiles had effectively two jaw joints: the reptilian joint was reduced, and the new dentary-squamosal joint came into play.
      At a certain point, in the Late Triassic, the reptilian jaw joint had shifted function.
      We can still detect the legacy of this astonishing transition: when you chew a hamburger, you can hear your jaw movements deep inside your ears.
      Evolutionary transitions are highly predictable.
      Every day, new fossil finds are reported — the first insect, the oldest hominid, the first sauropod dinosaur, an Eocene whale with legs — and so it goes on. The new fossil finds that hit the headlines are all concrete evidence of evolutionary transitions. The fossils are rarely bizarre or unexpected; they fit into the predictions of evolutionary trees. Dinosaurs with feathers and whales with legs are pretty startling discoveries, but biologists were convinced they existed from the predictions of their evolutionary trees. But is this the sole evidence of evolutionary transitions?
      The great tree of life
      The single great tree of life is profound evidence for evolutionary transitions. Darwin, as he toured South America and the Galapagos Islands in the 1830s, became increasingly puzzled about the distributions of plants and animals, both geographically and geologically. He went out on the expedition as a traditional creationist. Instead, this is what he discovered:
      Darwin’s observations of species relationships provided major clues to speciation.
      He saw that the strange and wonderful plants and animals of South America were related to each other. Why should that be if they had simply been created?
      He also saw some of the relatively recent fossils of South American mammals — the giant ground sloths and glyptodonts. Why were these fossils so obviously relatives of the modern sloths and anteaters that are unique to South America?
      Famously, he saw that the singular animals of the Galapagos Islands were all close relatives of animals from the mainland of Ecuador, and they varied from island to island. Why?
      Darwin’s answer to similarities in species: evolution.
      The solution then hit Darwin like a hammer blow. The similarities in time and space were easy to explain: life had evolved. It had not been created, species by species. The Galapagos finches, tortoises, and iguanas had diverged from single ancestors that arrived by chance on the islands a few thousand or million years ago. South America had been isolated from the rest of the world, and its own unique birds and mammals had evolved through long spans of time from single ancestors. Tracking back to the very origin of life, he suggested, daringly, that all of life came from a single ancestor.
      Molecular confirmation
      Since 1859, that great tree has been built up painstakingly by close study of fossils and modern organisms. And then, Darwin’s speculation, and all that careful work, was confirmed from an unpredicted source — the molecules.
      DNA differences among species is relative to the time they diverged on the tree of life.
      Proteins in the bodies of all organisms, and indeed DNA and RNA, the fundamental molecules of life, carry records of evolutionary transitions.
      Simply put, the degree of difference between the same proteins (or the DNA or RNA) in different species is proportional to the time since they split apart. So, humans have molecules that are nearly identical to those of chimpanzees, rather more different from those of cows, and very different from those of slime molds. The amount of difference is proportional to the time of divergence on the evolutionary tree.
      Molecular biology confirms evolutionary transitions.
      Since 1960, molecular biologists have been drawing up their own evolutionary trees, and these match those based on fossils and museum specimens of living plants and animals. The final, and most startling, confirmation of Darwin’s insight also comes from the molecular biology. All living things, from viruses to humans, from bacteria to grasses, share complex molecular machinery — the whole DNA/ RNA code of life and protein synthesis machinery and the ATP system of energy transfer.
      Conclusion
      Conclusion: Shared ancestry of all living things has been proven by molecular biology.
      Evolutionary transitions are demonstrated by so-called ‘missing links’, fossils like Archaeopteryx, and the whole array of intermediates between dinosaurs and modern birds that lie on either side of it. There are thousands of other fossils that plug the gaps between modern groups that are quite separate, and new finds every year plug yet more gaps. But, the evidence for evolutionary transitions can be seen also in geographic distributions: close relatives are often found close to each other at the base of the evolutionary branch. The shapes of evolutionary trees have now been confirmed from independent evidence of molecular structures. Indeed, the fact that all microbes, plants, and animals today possess certain complex molecular mechanisms proves conclusively that all of life arose ultimately from a single ancestor billions of years ago.

      November 3, 2011 at 11:27 am |
    • evolvedDNA

      Evolution is a lie...interesting that you look for evidence to try to "dispute" evolution yet faith is all that required and no evidence offered for your god... how ever.. there are no missing links..you clearly misunderstand evolution...if you bother reading any books on the subject you would see the error of your premise.. books to look at.. Why Evolution is True" by Jerry Coyne and of course Richard Dawkins.. "The Ancestors Tale"

      November 3, 2011 at 11:28 am |
    • clay

      Yes, I know that. Every link referred to as "missing" is so called because two animals are close enough to be assumed to be related, yet no proof of the relation can be found. These missing links are all estimations. The links don't have to show every step, they just have to close enough to prove there MIGHT be a relation.

      November 3, 2011 at 11:28 am |
    • Gaunt

      'Evolutionisalie', here is your chance.

      Please provide one single positive, verifyable proof of creationism. Just one. Any one. I mean, you have claimed repeatedly silly things like 'all the evience supports creationism', and other such mindless soundytes, so as I see it there are only two options.

      EITHER, you now provide a single example of positive, verifyable evidence for creationism;

      OR

      You are a pathalogical liar who has been spewing cr@p on these boards knowing full well that everything you say is a lie.

      Well, which is it?

      November 3, 2011 at 11:32 am |
  19. Evolution Is A Lie

    Evolutionists often speak of missing links. They say that the bridge between man and the apes is the "missing link," the hypothetical ape-like ancestor of both. But there are supposed missing links all over the evolutionary tree. For instance, dogs and bears are thought to be evolutionary cousins, related to each other through a missing link. The same could be said for every other stop on the tree. All of the animal types are thought to have arisen by the transformation of some other animal type, and at each branching node is a missing link, and between the node and the modern form are many more.
    If you still don't know what a missing link is, don't worry. No one knows what a missing link is, because they are missing! We've never seen one. They're still missing. Evolution depends on innumerable missing links, each of which lived in the unobserved past and have gone extinct, replaced by their evermore evolved descendants.

    November 3, 2011 at 11:12 am |
    • Sue

      Why won't you reference the source that you are plagiarizing from? I'll expose it if you don't.

      November 3, 2011 at 11:15 am |
    • Evolution Is A Lie

      sue...oooooo i'm scared, just like you are scared of facts.

      November 3, 2011 at 11:19 am |
    • Inigo Montoya

      "facts". You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

      November 3, 2011 at 11:21 am |
    • Chuckles

      @Inigo

      INCONCEIVABLE

      November 3, 2011 at 11:22 am |
    • Free

      Dawkins made a very astute observation when he said that for every new transitionary fossil discovered all creationists see is that two unknown areas now exist where only one did before, never mind that the gaps have become smaller. We all suspect that you lot will not stop criticizing the fossil record until the fossil of every single individual creature that has ever lived on this planet is found, which is not only impossible, but unnecessary. The fossil record is like an old-fashioned reel movie, where the absence of a few frames here and there does nothing to ruin the viewer's appreciation of the story being told.

      November 3, 2011 at 11:24 am |
    • hippypoet

      you keep using that word, i don't think it means what you think it means!

      November 3, 2011 at 11:25 am |
    • tallulah13

      If you'd like to see from where EIAL plagiarized all his/her thoughts. EIAL may not be "descended from apes" but perhaps may have relations in the parrot family.

      http://www.icr.org

      That's the "Inst.tute for Creation Research".

      November 3, 2011 at 11:35 am |
    • HellBent

      @talullah – that's quite the oxymoron.

      November 3, 2011 at 11:45 am |
  20. The Evidence Supports Evolution, Not Creation

    Good summary of the mountains of evidence for evolution:
    http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/0_0_0/lines_01

    Good summary of the evidence for creation: zero. nada. nil. zip. nothing. There simply is no valid evidence there. Trying to find a link to a valid academic study that supports creationism (other than one from Bible Thum-per University Inc. and opinon pieces from their shills) is quite difficult.

    November 3, 2011 at 11:01 am |
    • Evolution Is A Lie

      Creationists prefer the reasonable faith of creationism, which is supported by all the real scientific evidence, to the credulous faith of evolutionism, which is supported by no real scientific evidence. The question remains unanswered (scientifically, at least) as to why evolutionists prefer to believe in evolution.

      November 3, 2011 at 11:08 am |
    • The Evidence Supports Evolution, Not Creation

      Present your evidence, with references. So far, you haven't managed to.

      November 3, 2011 at 11:11 am |
    • The Evidence Supports Evolution, Not Creation

      Good summary of the evidence for creation: zero. nada. nil. zip. nothing. There simply is no valid evidence there. Trying to find a link to a valid academic study that supports creationism (other than one from Bible Thum-per University Inc. and opinon pieces from their shills) is quite difficult.

      Good summary of the mountains of evidence for evolution, from University of California, Berkeley:
      http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/0_0_0/lines_01

      November 3, 2011 at 11:12 am |
    • catholic engineer

      Evolution may be true as far as it goes. I've read some Darwin, and it doesn't seem "evil". However, evolution has little relevance. It may tall us WHAT we are, but religion deals with WHO we are. When man first asked "who am I?" he stepped outside the mechanical behaviour of the universe. Left to it's own devices, dumb nature could never have produced a creature such as us.

      November 3, 2011 at 11:14 am |
    • J.W

      Well I do not think that creationism needs to be true as far as the story in Genesis. It is just the writers own idea of how things came to be. At that time we did not have the knowledge that we do now.

      November 3, 2011 at 11:20 am |
    • Free

      catholic engineer
      "but religion deals with WHO we are."
      Philosophy can also answer that question, but without all of the speculation into the supernatural that religion depends upon.

      November 3, 2011 at 11:27 am |
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