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November 8th, 2011
09:51 AM ET

Mississippi amendment on 'personhood' divides Christians

By Rich Phillips, CNN

Columbus, Mississippi (CNN) - In the Carpenter home, every meal begins with a prayer. Robin and his wife, Emily, are devout Christians. But they part ways with many other Christians over a measure that would expand the legal definition of human life.

Their son, Luke, now 4 years old, was born through in vitro fertilization.

The anti-abortion amendment being voted on this week in the state could restrict in vitro procedures, and the Carpenters are worried that if they wait too long to add to their family, they may end up breaking the law.

Read the full story on divisions around Mississippi's proposed 'personhood' amendment
- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Abortion • Mississippi • Politics

soundoff (196 Responses)
  1. Reality

    This would not be happening if the following advice is followed:

    Take your Pills ladies, wear your condoms guys and save yourself a lot of money and grief because if you don't, you could be making a very, very difficult decision to end the life of a growing human being.

    November 8, 2011 at 6:24 pm |
    • GoToCollegeGetDrunkEatChickenFingers

      Vasectomy. <3

      November 8, 2011 at 6:34 pm |
  2. Dave Treleaven

    Why is it that man can at any time as an adult ask that the medical profession perform a vasectomy on him so that his sperm is "all juice and no seeds".
    This is a voluntary invasion of his body for the purpose of controlling conception..................yet a woman in Mississippi may soon be deprived of a similar procedure............that of controlling when she is willing to have a child.

    November 8, 2011 at 5:19 pm |
    • GoToCollegeGetDrunkEatChickenFingers

      A vasectomy is far cheaper than the lifetime of misery and bank-account draining a child brings with it. I don't see a problem with limiting the amount of births. Eventually the world will be overpopulated. Slowing down the process is a good thing. It is far more responsible to make the decision to not have children than the alternative. Then you end up with Octomom, using her Vuh-Jyna as a clown car and spraying out a ton of kids. What good does that do? It's more mouths to feed, more medical costs, etc. In the end, it's no longer about sustaining the species. Instead it's about dropping as many kids out of that stink box as they can out of selfishness.

      When I got married, the first thing everyone asked, "When are you having kids?" People assume marriage automatically means you are required to have kids. We tell them we aren't having kids and everyone gets disappointed. I'm always left feeling like I just told hitler that the world ran out of jews for him to kill.

      Having once been in the role of a stepfather, I can honestly say I'm happy to never have any kids. It affords my wife and I hell of a lot more time to spend together, travel, and just do things that can't be done when you're tied down to a bad decision.

      November 8, 2011 at 6:33 pm |
    • The One True Steve

      I don't think the admendment stops women from getting their tubes tied. I'm sure that's coming next.

      November 8, 2011 at 7:30 pm |
  3. Fookin' Prawn

    My understanding is that corporations are now people as well. So if a business fails...well, involuntary manslaughter or murder 1?

    Every period is a missed opportunity on that slippery slope, too, so they'd better start figuring out how to regulate that.

    November 8, 2011 at 3:32 pm |
  4. David Johnson

    Oh, my believers! Why not be content with following the morals of your god, without imposing them on the rest of us? You have no evidence that there is a god. There are 38,000 different denominations of Christianity. Many are contradictory. They can't all right. Each has been derived from reading the same bible. Wouldn't an all knowing, all powerful, all perfect god be able to construct a bible that would be understood in the same way?

    How do you know that what you believe, is true?

    How do you know that your god is the one true god?

    Cheers!

    November 8, 2011 at 1:27 pm |
    • Dave Treleaven

      Nice to see a "reasoned" post once in a while

      November 8, 2011 at 4:59 pm |
  5. pmk1953

    By their logic, I bought a dozen chickens yesterday and ate scrambled chickens for breakfast today.

    November 8, 2011 at 1:27 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @pmk1953

      You said: "By their logic, I bought a dozen chickens yesterday and ate scrambled chickens for breakfast today."

      Yep. The eggs you bought had the potential to one day be chickens. But, were not yet chickens.

      A tomato seed has all the necessary DNA to become a tomato plant. But the seed is not a plant.
      A chicken egg, contains all the DNA necessary to develop into a chicken. But the egg is not a chicken.
      A spiders eggs contain all the DNA necessary to become a spider. But, the egg is not a spider.
      Watch, there is a pattern here!

      Cheers!

      November 8, 2011 at 1:37 pm |
  6. MaryM

    Christian law vs. Sharia law. Same concept, just a different religion

    November 8, 2011 at 1:01 pm |
    • Entil'za

      No...considering one actually directs the laws of some nations while the other does not.

      November 8, 2011 at 1:20 pm |
    • Free

      The people who want the 10 Commandments posted up everywhere would like Christian law to rule this country, yes?

      November 8, 2011 at 2:24 pm |
    • Entil'za

      @Free- "The people who want the 10 Commandments posted up everywhere would like Christian law to rule this country, yes?"

      No. Wanting to have your beliefs or culture reflected in the makeup of our nation is what our nation is about. Just as long as the govt does not allow any religion, creed, practice or belief system dictate the rights of others...there is no problem.

      November 8, 2011 at 4:21 pm |
    • Free

      Entil'za
      But the 10 Commandments are a specific religious creed not shared by all Americans. They are not part of the generally uniform American culture like saluting the flag or the 4th of July. Allowing the Commandment to be posted does, in fact, promote a particular religious set of beliefs, see?

      November 8, 2011 at 5:27 pm |
    • Entil'za

      I think we are leaning off the topic...what does the Commandments have to do with "personhood" again?
      But...I don't know anyone that wants to post them up everywhere or expect anyone law official to ever enforce them. Do you?

      November 8, 2011 at 6:44 pm |
    • Free

      Entil'za
      MaryM started this tread with "Christian law vs. Sharia law. Same concept, just a different religion" which brings up the basis of 'Christian law', the Commandments, that some folks would like to have posted in our courthouses, yes?

      The more conservative Christians who oppose abortion rights do so for purely religious reasons. Thus they are attempting to establish "Christian law" as the law of the land, enforceable against everyone, including non-Christians, non-believers, and even moderate fellow Christians who, all added together, account for a sizable percentage of our whole population. Now, is that fair when so many would like to exercise their particular religious beliefs which happen not to oppose the right to choose?

      November 8, 2011 at 7:13 pm |
    • Entil'za

      "Fair" isn't relevant since it cannot happen in the manner you are implying. If it comes down to a vote...the majority would win...that would not mean right wing Christians. If it comes to a vote in Congress..it would not go anywhere either. It's pretty much a non-issue here in the US.

      November 8, 2011 at 9:06 pm |
    • Free

      Entil'za
      "It's pretty much a non-issue here in the US."
      Outside of the stricter Islamic states, the US is pretty much the only place in the world where it is an issue.

      November 8, 2011 at 11:14 pm |
  7. AbsolutelyProLGBT

    That poor family. Hugs to you. The parent should have the final say in the decision. Not a politician. If the parents created it, they should have their own decision for it.

    November 8, 2011 at 12:57 pm |
  8. fernace

    The governor of Mississippi said he'd been thinking about the issue & "decided" that an embryo is a "person"! That's how this law, meant to end abortion in this state, came about! The truth is that while a blastocyst it technically alive, this should not be a decision made by politicians, but by the people who it affects! We just made it to the 7 billion mark of humans on the planet! Many of them are starving children! Sometimes birth control fails & a safe, viable option must be available!!

    November 8, 2011 at 12:36 pm |
  9. Central Scrutinizer

    God is an abortionist. That is a true statement IF you are a Christian. God has a plan. He planned your life. When you were born and when you will die. Therefore, God is responsible for every abortion that has ever taken place in history, since the mother and the person performing the abortion are not acting of their own free will, God is the killing machine.

    November 8, 2011 at 12:33 pm |
    • Entil'za

      Not one for free will are you?

      November 8, 2011 at 1:22 pm |
    • Primewonk

      Entil'za – if your god claims omnipotence and omniscience, then freewill is impossible. Your god knows if you are going to heaven or hell. Can you end up where god doesn't know you are supposed to be? And if your god isn't omnipotent and omniscient, he really isn't much of a god is he. And if he isn't much of a god, why waste time worshiping him?

      November 8, 2011 at 1:27 pm |
    • TruthPrevails

      Gregory Paul wrote an excellent paper called The Holocaust of The Children...well worth the read and readily available on line. What Mississippi is not taking in to consideration is that if they do away with legalized abortion they will increase the cost to their medical system due to backyard abortions...if people wish for an abortion they will go to whatever means possible to get that abortion and unfortunately, those other means are not to safe.

      November 8, 2011 at 1:36 pm |
    • Central Scrutinizer

      This just seems to fall on deaf ears for Christians. Those fighting for "Right to Life" are fighting AGAINST God. God decides all in the Christian world.

      November 8, 2011 at 2:24 pm |
    • Entil'za

      @Primewonk- "if your god claims omnipotence and omniscience, then freewill is impossible. Your god knows if you are going to heaven or hell. Can you end up where god doesn't know you are supposed to be? And if your god isn't omnipotent and omniscient, he really isn't much of a god is he. And if he isn't much of a god, why waste time worshiping him?"

      One, I have not declared any faith. Shame on guessing. Just because a being may be all powerful, free will can still exist. Nowhere in "omnipotent" does it imply that a being that can do anything has to do anything. Freewill can exist.
      So your whole rehashed and reused typical atheist argument is pretty nonexistent here.

      November 8, 2011 at 6:48 pm |
  10. Colin

    Ya gotta love the sign – "Stop abortion and cloning." They actully believe humans are cloned down there?

    November 8, 2011 at 11:52 am |
    • J.W

      Well aren't the clones supposed to get stupider each time? They may have sent them all to Mississippi.

      November 8, 2011 at 11:53 am |
    • BRC

      They either get stupid or evil. depends on what you read.

      November 8, 2011 at 12:10 pm |
    • David Johnson

      Abortion is an important part of the family planning toolbox.

      If abortion is illegal, women will seek back alley remedies.

      We, as a society, must take away as many of the reasons women seek abortions as possible.
      We need to make adoption easier and make it financially possible for a woman to keep and care for her baby.

      Obama has a program to do this. More needs to be done, but with the Republicans controlling the House, funds won't be forthcoming. But, there may be money appropriated, to force women to carry a child conceived by ra_pe or incest to term. If the product of incest is born with webbed feet...well, it is all part of god's great plan. Like babies born without brains...

      Most of all, we need to make birth control available free of charge, to all women. The health care bill passed in 2010 (Obamacare) does this. We need to educate the women on these birth control methods. Remember, the best way to prevent an abortion, is to prevent unwanted pregnancies.

      Psalm 127:3 – Children are a gift of the LORD

      Hmm... Well, the bible says it, so I believe it. Children are god's gift!

      Notice how god doesn't check to see if a woman is capable of raising a child, before he gives a baby to them?

      Women in p_oor countries bear children, only to have them die, because Mom has no food.

      Women addicted to drugs are given babies, when they are totally incapable of taking care of themselves, much less a child.

      Girls who are babies themselves, are blessed with a baby they don't want. Why are babies given to women who don't want them?

      If god would be more careful with giving out gifts/babies, abortion wouldn't be needed.

      The Christian god is said to be all knowing (Omniscient). If this is true, then god would know the gift (a child), that He is giving, will die.

      And remember, there are a lot of women, who god refuses His gift. They would be overjoyed with god's gift. No abortions in their homes!

      God works in mysterious ways. It's almost as if He doesn't exist... I guess He is just really, really hidden.

      We should start real $ex education in school. Not abstinence only. Real education about the use of birth control. The Religious Right wants only abstinence taught. But then again, the Religious Right wants the kids to learn about talking snakes and trees that impart knowledge and eternal life. *sigh*

      We will never totally eradicate abortions. Only a god could do that, and he either does not care, or does not exist.

      Cheers!

      November 8, 2011 at 1:40 pm |
    • David Johnson

      Consider a photocopier. If you copy only from the original, the copies don't degrade. The copies become poorer, if you copy from the copies. Why? Because imperfections from the copies are made worse.

      This won't happen, if you say a prayer to Jesus before you press the copy button.

      Cheers!

      November 8, 2011 at 1:44 pm |
    • Free

      BRC
      When stupidity is freely preferred over rational decision-making, and causes harm to others, then isn't that evil?

      November 8, 2011 at 2:31 pm |
    • BRC

      As far as I'm concerned yes, unfortunately it seems many people don't see it that way.

      November 8, 2011 at 2:58 pm |
    • Fookin' Prawn

      @J.W – I think you just solved the mystery.

      November 8, 2011 at 3:35 pm |
    • Dave Treleaven

      After all it is the USA........where stupidity never sleeps..

      November 8, 2011 at 5:03 pm |
    • Free

      Dave Treleaven
      Yes, and people have a right to be as stupid as they like, and an equal right to criticize the stupidity of others. That's why political pundits were invented after all, right?

      November 9, 2011 at 11:12 am |
  11. J.W

    I may have missed this. Did it say in the article what medical exceptions are made?

    November 8, 2011 at 11:38 am |
    • Nonimus

      None in the proposed amendment, it is only defining "personhood". The details of what that means and how to enforce it is left to the legislature. This is one of the issues the opposition has with the amendment, AFAIK.

      November 8, 2011 at 11:41 am |
    • Chuckles

      No medical exceptions. That means ab.ortion would be illegal, certain forms of birth control, specifically the "morning after" pill and in vi.tro fert.ilization would have a bunch of legali.ty problems because of the disposal of fert.ilized eggs. I think it says this in the article, but if a woman was ra.ped who was impre.gnated due to inc.est, the pro-lifer specifically stated would also brand this woman a murderer if she wanted to get an ab.ortion. This is really disgusting and I hope it doesn't pass, although in Mississippi it seems a lot more likely that it could.

      November 8, 2011 at 11:48 am |
  12. Nonimus

    If a fertilized egg is a person, based on future potential I'm guessing, does that make each totipotent stem cell a person too? I think there are about 16 of these in each blastocyst that then form the embryo.

    November 8, 2011 at 11:33 am |
  13. J.W

    I am not sure that I understand the obsession with having more kids. Mississippi is the poorest state, so you would think that they would want to control their population.

    November 8, 2011 at 11:28 am |
    • hippypoet

      see, they thought that the rapture was going take care of the over population, this bill was in the works before that... now they will just do a simple killing of the first born again. They afterall are true believers!

      November 8, 2011 at 11:33 am |
    • catholic engineer

      @hippypoet: "now they will just do a simple killing of the first born again". This is almost the same as a partial birth abortion, sanctioned by US law and approved by feminists.

      November 8, 2011 at 11:42 am |
    • hippypoet

      "partial birth abortion" what the hell is that? i have studied a great deal in my life, there is little i have not heard of – this has to be new! i need info please.. i must understand this concept. Have you ever seen that movie "short circut" Johnny 5 needs input, thats me!

      November 8, 2011 at 11:47 am |
    • J.W

      I believe that is when the baby is ready to come out and they kill it right before it comes out. Someone else can correct me if I am wrong. But I do not think it is legal anymore.

      November 8, 2011 at 11:51 am |
    • BRC

      Partial Birth abortions are not new, they are quite old, they are a method for handling abortions in the third trimester, and J.W. is correct that they are pretty much illegal everywhere (even the most broadly accepting of groups shies away form allowing them). The only time I have heard of them being considered anymore, is when there is a late term complication that virtualy garauntees neither the mother or child will survive delivery.

      November 8, 2011 at 12:06 pm |
    • Chuckles

      @JW

      Actually, they let the woman have the child, nurture it, hold it and love it, and then on it's 7th birthday they have to dispose of it. Since pro-choicers are all baby killers this is really right down our alley...... right? I mean, that's why I hopped on the pro-choice wagon, I love me some baby killin

      November 8, 2011 at 12:07 pm |
    • catholic engineer

      @ hippypoet: a partial birth abortion occurs when a nearly full term "fetus" is pulled partially from the womb and its head punctured. Since the "fetus" is not fully out of the womb, its called partial birth. This way it can be called abortion rather than abortion. My guess is that if the first- born fully formed child is killed per your previous post, it would be approved by civil law rather than Christians.

      November 8, 2011 at 12:28 pm |
    • J.W

      I dunno about that Chuckles. 7 years old? You can at least do it before they develop motor skills.

      November 8, 2011 at 12:33 pm |
    • hippypoet

      next on LAW AND ORDER: male abortion!

      sooooo.....what happens if i rub one out? is that murder? or just waste?

      November 8, 2011 at 12:46 pm |
    • J.W

      hippy that is partly the reasoning behind Catholics and a couple other groups being against contraception. There was a story in the Bible. I forgot the guys name, but his brother wanted him to make love to his wife so they could have a child, but he spilled his seed on the ground, and God smited him for that. My personally opinion is that the evil he committed was betraying his brother, rather than spilling his seed.

      November 8, 2011 at 12:57 pm |
    • Father O'blivion

      HP, if ya feel like rubbin' one out me lad, just call me or my good friend St. Alphonzo. We are alwasy ready to whip up a batch of pancakes for my flock!

      November 8, 2011 at 12:57 pm |
    • hippypoet

      i have to say, i didn't see these responses to my post about rubbing one out coming! LOL get it, man i love puns!

      November 8, 2011 at 1:02 pm |
    • Bucky Ball

      Partial Birth Ab is almost NEVER done. It's a false issue. It simply doesn't occur any more. And if this state thinks that their citizens are going to avoid In-Vitro fertilization, they are nuts. It will become another example of health care for only the rich. If they can afford the procedure, they can easily fly or drive to a location where it WILL be legal. Their stupid laws will stop NOTHING. The stem cell researchers fled the US when Dubya was President. The good In-Vitro clinics will continue anyway. Technology that WORKS will be used by almost everyone. A stupid state law will stop nothing. 😈

      November 8, 2011 at 1:21 pm |
    • Dave Treleaven

      Would be nice to end up with less children like the banjo player in the movie "Deliverance"

      November 8, 2011 at 5:05 pm |
  14. hippypoet

    some free country huh!

    in the heads of religious losers – " lets make laws that make it so you can't do anything but what we do."

    November 8, 2011 at 10:50 am |
    • JoeProfet

      hippypoet, there is no poetry in your rhetoric...you're not a very good poet, and you don't even know it...LOL

      November 8, 2011 at 10:54 am |
    • hippypoet

      so joe, i must be poetic wherever i find myself because i have the handle hippypoet? Shouldn't all christians then because they bare the name of christ be put on a cross and left to die, or untill someone stabs them with a spear?

      November 8, 2011 at 10:58 am |
    • JoeProfet

      You see, hippypoet, I am still laughing because it was/is a light-hearted joke. It was said in jest, but you seem to feel that I should die on the cross until dead and/or be poked with a spear, was that it because I am a Christian? Even that doesn't have much of any poetry in it, but ok, that's your response and I accept it. Yeah, I would be honored to be crusified because I am a Christian, no worries here. I absolutely would not and will never infringe my belief's on you nor anyone else. My belief is just that, mine. I respect your opinion, even about me although it seemed a little violent weighing it against the simple observation I made of your writing, but again, I respect you!

      November 8, 2011 at 11:05 am |
    • hippypoet

      i wasn't trying to be mean, i was asking in light of your statment... just going by your statement as a basis of my logic. And no, no one should die that way ever again. I have no clue actually to your religious beliefs but you do seem to, at least on other posts on other articles, be against me for whatever reason.... Is it because i have the handle hippypoet and don't use poetry in my post – i can work on that...

      November 8, 2011 at 11:10 am |
    • Nonimus

      @hippypoet,
      I think you're a little sensitive about your nickname, but entering into a text based discussion forum with such a nickname, such statements as @JoeProfet's are foreseeable, if not boringly predictable.
      That said, perhaps a better analogy would be something like...

      'Do you expect every person named Smith to make horseshoes 24/7? Just because I'm a poet doesn't mean everything I say is poetry.'

      November 8, 2011 at 11:19 am |
    • JoeProfet

      Oh, I'm not against you, so sorry for givng that impression. I think you probably are a terriffic poet, I was just kidding. I think in my other posts, though, I learned something about myself. I'm confiding here, that I am so passionate about my love for Christ and love for others that I fell into the common trap of fighting with my words. When I feel attacked, that is when I feel that what I believe in is being attacked (so vehemently), I forget my first passion and respond with a reprobate mind instead of the mind of Christ. I don't have the mind of Christ but as a Christian it is the most incredible compassionate mindset I've ever experienced and so I try to emulate those thoughts as much as possible. That said, I think I have learned to keep my witts about me and respond in my heart-felt Christian manner...even when I feel the very negative energy in some posts (not necessarily yours). In other words, I am seeking to respond in a more positive-Christian manner. If I am to win anyone over to Christ, this is the ONLY way I can do it. I can't do t by bantering back and fourth with a reprobate tort. So, my apologies and respect to you, hippypoet! Peace!

      November 8, 2011 at 11:25 am |
    • Sue

      hippypoet rocks. Post, hippypoet, post.

      November 8, 2011 at 11:27 am |
    • JoeProfet

      Thanks Nonimus, it was just a joke from an anonymous poster... how predictible! Sorry! Hey, have a great day! 🙂

      November 8, 2011 at 11:28 am |
    • hippypoet

      yes, i think i am a tad sensitive to my handle...its only because i have had this for a decade now and it was never an issue, untill i came here... it seems to be a way for a believer to strike at me without responding to the post or for those with nothing to add to still have something to say. Both of which i find to be a bit childish – but i am just a big kid so i can roll with the punches sometimes. However i do write poetry, i just fear thievary, so i rarely post any... most i have to tweek it anyway so it gets past the censors...stupid cnn!

      November 8, 2011 at 11:28 am |
    • Nonimus

      @JoeProfet,
      Don't thank me. I was also agreeing with @hippypoet.

      November 8, 2011 at 11:35 am |
    • hippypoet

      i am sry Sue, but i don't think i have had the pleasure of a convo with you yet.. how do you know me?

      November 8, 2011 at 11:37 am |
    • JoeProfet

      OK, you make a good point, hippypoet. I didn't respond to the article. Here is my response as a stupid believer: I believe that since this issue affects women, that women are the only ones truly qualified to make such a decision. I don't feel that ANYBODY should be controling anyone. As a Christian, I think it is unChristian-like to stand in the way of anyone! I don't want to decide whether women can have an abortion or not. That is a women's decision. I don't want to write a law that says they can or can't. About abortion itself, just out of pure compassion for a child since I have three, I can't imagine one of them being aborted, it hurts the soul thinking about a precious life that may have become something being denied that opportunity. Never the less, if the women of this country decided they wanted that choice, here again, I would/will not stand in there way. I feel the same about gays, atheists, and anyone else for that matter. I don't have the right nor desire to stand in the way, absolutely not. If one day the atheists win their vote to have all Christians put to death for being Christian, I won't stand in your way...I'll be dead!

      November 8, 2011 at 11:39 am |
    • hippypoet

      well the end there was a little morbid, but overall i completely agree... women are the ones that are effected by this, not men – we are only effected by it when the baby is born... which is the very same thing i told my wife when we found out that we may have a third... i am not happy and told her we can't afford it, i think that an abortion is most def. an option but i would not in anyway force her hand. I hope to be more stable in my income and housing before a third little dude comes running around the bend to scare daddy!

      November 8, 2011 at 11:44 am |
    • JoeProfet

      Good luck, bro!

      November 8, 2011 at 11:50 am |
    • hippypoet

      well, thank you joe... but i am a card player and i find that all the part about luck is over with, that was when i got some! LOL... now lets see how the hand plays out.

      November 8, 2011 at 11:59 am |
    • Chuckles

      Sorry to break into this little lovefest, but I disagree that this decision lies SOLEY with the female. For the record I am still pro-choice and I think a woman should be able to decide what she does with her own body, HOWEVER, to say that the man involved does not have any say it equally as outrageous and I think a decision on abortion should be made by both the woman and the man in certain situations (obviously, the ra.pe thing is a separate issue as the ra.pist should not have a say).

      Just adding my two cents

      November 8, 2011 at 12:17 pm |
    • hippypoet

      @chuckles – i agree with you on your statement of a man should have a say, but a say and the final decsion are different. The man has the ablity to get up and leave before she gives birth – she walks around town with it everyday untill she says no, or gives birth. Like i said to my wife – i think, not , this is what we are doing...even a conversation over it i would still say that we should have a say, but not the final choice. Now if our say is not held with respect but instead tossed aside but then the mother still thinks that we should play a part in raising or even paying for anything, then she is dead wrong! She took the complete power to herself and therefore shoud live the descsion to its final hellish diaper! Again, this is what i told my wife.

      November 8, 2011 at 12:34 pm |
  15. myweightinwords

    I am a woman who can not conceive ever having an abortion myself (though admittedly, I've never been faced with an unwanted or medically not-viable pregnancy), but I believe that the option MUST remain legally available.

    While a part of me understands what the people pushing this amendment are saying, in that an embryo has done nothing to warrant death...I also believe that abortion is never an easy choice and at times it is the only right choice.

    November 8, 2011 at 10:31 am |
    • Richard the Lionheart

      Agree. And only 25% of all fertilized eggs "take."

      Somebody will come up with a punishment for the natural loss of the other 75% non viable zygotes. Control Freaks are on the march..............

      November 8, 2011 at 10:35 am |
    • kimsland

      Also agreed.
      But the issue here is not what is best for all concerned, it is about religious ignorance.
      ie You are never going to get an intelligent debate going on the 'belief' blog about abortion.

      November 8, 2011 at 10:39 am |
    • tallulah13

      I agree. For most women, abortion is NOT an easy choice. I wonder how many of these same people who oppose abortion also oppose affordable health care, assistance to families who need economic help, and proper reproductive education for children?

      I believe this is more about controlling and punishing women than it is about the fetus. This is truly not an issue of "personhood". This election is about the humanity of Mississippians. I suspect too many of them have already sold their humanity to their church and their political party, and that this foolish law will pass.

      November 8, 2011 at 10:52 am |
    • Richard the Lionheart

      and I also think that the REAL root cause of this is poor judgement which simply cannot be legislated.

      If somebody makes a stupid decision and then wants to hide their foolishness, that's where things get miserable and messy.

      November 8, 2011 at 10:55 am |
    • Richard the Lionheart@tallulah13

      "I believe this is more about controlling and punishing women than it is about the fetus. "

      Precisely and well put.

      November 8, 2011 at 10:58 am |
    • myweightinwords

      Yes, if this amendment passes, you will see laws rolled out that call for criminalization of the "loss of life" when a fetus is miscarried or dies in vitro due to something that can conceivably be blamed on the woman.

      November 8, 2011 at 11:45 am |
    • hippypoet

      what happens if i rub one out? is that murder? or just waste?

      November 8, 2011 at 11:48 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      When I was 18 and still very naive, I found myself pregnant. The idiot I was with gave me the choice to abort or lose the relationship...so much for the relationship. I was by no means ready for a child and thus private adoption was arranged. A few short years later (at 22) I brought the most beautiful baby girl in to this world but not without severe complications. Another 2 years went by and my youngest was born...she spent a total of 6 weeks of her short 4 1/2 months home. After 2 open hearts she lost her fight. Long story short here, I was asked if I would have aborted had I of known she was going to be so ill, now I would have to say maybe because the trauma and emotional stress her death brought forth is not something I would ever wish upon any parent. I was one of the intelligent ones who decided that enough was enough and I would not risk another pregnancy where the child was born with health issues...it wasn't something I deemed as being fair to any child. All 3 of these children were born after labor was induced (natural labor does not occur for me) and all 3 were born with some form of deformity (ranging from horseshoe kidney's-to extra fingers-to heart issues. I honestly believe that abortion is a woman's decision to make and no-one should have the right to make it for her. On the same token I do not believe that abortion should be used as a form of birth control and feel that if better Planned Parenthood programs were put in place there would be less need for them being used for that purpose.
      This is 15 years after my last child was born and I'm very content having had the pleasure to raise my now 17 year old. I have no regrets on this at all and I think that until one of these morons within the government can walk that mile, they should be shutting up.

      November 8, 2011 at 2:10 pm |
    • Free

      Truth
      You made the choice that turned out to be a good one for you, but it could just as easily have turned out pretty sour, yes? Point is, it was your choice as a woman what you wanted to do, right? Why allow others to remove that choice from you?

      November 8, 2011 at 3:11 pm |
  16. Richard the Lionheart

    Big Brother is coming in through the bedroom window...............and he's not happy.

    November 8, 2011 at 10:28 am |
    • Fookin' Prawn

      In my head, he looks like the King from the Burger King commercials.

      November 8, 2011 at 3:48 pm |
  17. William Demuth

    Christians have ALWAYS gotten tied up in the details of their own dogma.

    Surplus indoctrination and insufficient education are a witches brew that produces nothing more than absurdities

    In a nut shell, if you buy into the bu@@@hit, don't start whining when your buried in it.

    November 8, 2011 at 10:25 am |
  18. Bob

    In my view, a human being gives up real "personhood" when they join a religion in which they abdicate personal responsibility and independence to a ficti-tious deity that will purportedly forgive them for any crime, no matter how heinous, if they just ask. Christianity is such a religion.

    November 8, 2011 at 10:22 am |
    • Free

      Well, they give up their freedom to serve a king, which just seems unAmerican to me.

      November 8, 2011 at 11:33 am |
    • Huh?!?!?

      @Free

      November 8, 2011 at 11:38 am |
    • Free

      Huh?!?!?
      Is not Jesus described as "The King of Kings"? He isn't described as our duly elected savior, right? He's part of a monarchy, and he supposedly inherited his power over people by an accident of his birth. His supporters believe that we are not free to choose freedom from his rule over us, that he will torture and punish all who oppose him and seek to escape his tyrannical rule. Hardly a freedom-loving, democratic head, is he?

      I say, why do we need to have any king? Didn't we fight to get away from all that almost two and a half centuries ago?

      November 8, 2011 at 7:23 pm |
  19. hippypoet

    if church and state are truly separate then why the fuk can states make laws around religious beliefs? fuk the southern states untill they learn the bible is just a book, equal to that by Dr. Suess! I prefer where the sidewalk ends.

    November 8, 2011 at 10:15 am |
    • ThinkForYourself

      Please do not ever insult Dr. Suess like that again or we'll have issues.

      November 8, 2011 at 10:26 am |
    • Dr. Zeuss

      Bah. My books are way better than the bible. The Borax, for example, and Bambi meets Pamela in the Toyroom. I go much deeper than that Moses guy and his silly divining rod.

      But I hear you.

      November 8, 2011 at 10:28 am |
    • BRC

      Where the Sidewalk Ends was Shel Silverstein (did other great children's books as well), not Dr. Suess, though I absolutely agree with your point.

      November 8, 2011 at 10:55 am |
    • hippypoet

      i never said where the sidewalk ends was by the good dr., no , instead i said i prefer that over dr. .... well, now with the 5 year old, maybe not so much anymore...dr. suess is back!

      November 8, 2011 at 11:02 am |
    • BRC

      Fair enough, I mistakenly inferred. I am reading my kid the original Grimm fairytales. My wife has never read them. If I have to read bedtime stories I'm at least going to have fun with it (until she says no).

      November 8, 2011 at 11:09 am |
    • hippypoet

      my daughters name is rynn, so i changed the story "little red riding hood" to "little red rynnie hood" she loves it... i make most of my stories up, but i do write them down afterwards so i can retell them later. One that makes her smile is a story of a princess who has lost her teeth and her tongue is numb from eating ice... its one of my best made up ones yet!

      November 8, 2011 at 11:13 am |
    • Central Scrutinizer

      Have you ever read Mr. Bliss or Roverandom by Tolkien? Great children's book but not widely known. Two of my favorites.

      November 8, 2011 at 1:19 pm |
  20. kimsland

    In my view christians are breaking the law just geing religious.
    Oh wait that's the near future.

    November 8, 2011 at 10:06 am |
    • kimsland

      What the heII is 'geing' I mean being.

      November 8, 2011 at 10:07 am |
    • Normon

      geing: putting on Karate clothing
      ?

      November 8, 2011 at 11:44 am |
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