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My Take: Why good Catholics are challenging church line on homosexuality
A series of recent conferences have cast a light on gay Catholics and their families.
November 8th, 2011
12:22 PM ET

My Take: Why good Catholics are challenging church line on homosexuality

Editor's Note: Patrick Hornbeck is an assistant professor and associate chair for undergraduate studies at Fordham University.

By Patrick Hornbeck , Special to CNN

The Roman Catholic Church has long been a reliable source for one-dimensional storylines: Victims of sexual abuse call for justice. Parishes close as numbers of clergy plummet. Rosary-clad Catholics protest outside abortion clinics.

Perhaps nowhere has the storyline seemed more clear-cut than with regard to the church’s treatment of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) people and their relationships.

Official Catholic teachings describe gay or lesbian orientation as “an objective disorder” and tell those who love their same-sex partners that they possess a “tendency… toward an intrinsic moral evil.”

Catholic bishops have been public advocates for laws banning same-sex marriage, and some have sought to prevent LGBT Catholics and their allies from fully participating in the Church’s rituals and activities

But neither formal teachings nor bishops’ statements tell the whole story.

A series of recent conferences at American colleges reveals the breadth of Catholic approaches to issues of sexual diversity.

The conferences, part of an effort called More than a Monologue, have happened at two Catholic universities and two non-denominational divinity schools

The events conclusively show that American Catholics are hardly of one mind, nor in lockstep with their bishops, when it comes to same-sex marriage; to rights for LGBT people at home, at work, and in church; or to the ongoing campaign against anti-gay bullying in schools.

At Fordham University in New York, a Catholic school, a proud mother of a grown gay son drew a standing ovation when she told a story about discovering the effect of church teachings on her child.

Here’s that mother, Deb Word, who has founded a group Fortunate Families to help Catholic families with lesbian daughters and gay sons, in her own words:

Fast forward to a family vacation in the Gulf. There were five of us floating—Sean and his wife, Chris, and his dad and me, holding onto each other’s rafts. And I said, ‘I think this is what Heaven is like.’ And Christopher said quietly, “except I won’t be there with you.” “Son, where do you get this stuff?” “Mom, it’s your club. You know the rules.”

And if my cradle Catholic child, growing up in a loving family, got this message, then what does Catholic mean in more conservative homes? … And I wonder, why do I stay in a club that my son says is dangerous to his soul?”

Another panelist at the event described the freedom she feels as a result of living, within the church’s rules, as a celibate lesbian.

A third, a physician in New York City, praised the Catholic tradition for its emphasis on human dignity and social justice, but added: “I am troubled by the fact that I find greater acceptance of myself as a whole person in my professional community as a physician, than I do in the official hierarchy of the church of my family, my childhood, and my life.”
Nationally syndicated columnist Dan Savage may be better known for his very public critiques of Catholic leaders than for the year he spent in a high school seminary, or for his Catholic deacon father, or for the baptism he and his husband sought for their son.
But speaking recently at New York’s Union Theological Seminary, Savage described his Catholic family and upbringing, celebrating parts of his Catholic experience.

At the same time, he refused to let the church off the hook for the part he accuses it of playing in tacitly condoning the bullying of LGBT youth.

Last month, at Yale University, a Catholic layman who teaches psychiatry spoke movingly of his attempt to offer church leaders the wisdom of his scientific field, and of his bitter disappointment when his offers were met with silence.

And at Connecticut ’s Fairfield University, scholars, clergy, and lay Catholics recently discussed the implications for the church of having many gay and lesbian people, both in and out of the closet, in roles as priests and ministers.

These public events have brought into the light the struggles, compromises and choices about meaning and love that many Catholics experience daily.

Poll numbers show that while many of their bishops have been stepping up their rhetoric on the issue, only one-in-three American Catholics describe opposition to same-sex marriage as “very important.” Seventy percent support legal recognition for same-sex couples.

All of us, Catholic or not, LGBT or not, owe it to ourselves and our fellow citizens to keep these new conversations going. Let’s not to settle for only part of the story.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Patrick Hornbeck.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Bishops • Catholic Church • Homosexuality • Opinion

soundoff (2,880 Responses)
  1. I'm The Best!

    I'm an atheist and I'm not angry with god or anything like that. So all you religious people (mostly Christians) saying that all atheists are mad at god are wrong.

    Also, to the topic at hand, gays should have just as many rights as everyone else, they're people too. They just have a different amount of some chemicals in their brains than the rest of us.

    November 9, 2011 at 1:57 pm |
    • AtheistSteve

      Kudos...correct on both counts.

      November 9, 2011 at 2:01 pm |
    • warmesTghosT

      We're not mad at god simply because we don't believe it exists.

      I (at least) am mad at Christians for being hate-filled, idiocy-spewing cretins who willfully ignore reality in favor of a comforting 2,000 year old lie.

      Maybe that's just me, though. I'm certainly not the spokesman for all atheists. Maybe Penn Jillette or Christopher Hitchens can claim that crown.

      November 9, 2011 at 2:02 pm |
    • Alien Orifice

      Now, let us Tebow.

      November 9, 2011 at 2:06 pm |
  2. Known ToAll

    It's a well-known fact that the Catholic Cult keeps Graven Images in their churches which is against the Bible!

    November 9, 2011 at 1:50 pm |
    • catholic engineer

      In the Bible, God gave instructions to create graven images. When in the desert, the people were set upon by poisonous snakes, God instructed them to form the IMAGE of a snake, attach it to a pole. When they looked upon this image, they'd be cured (the medical profession uses this image today). Also, God ordered the IMAGES of angels to be placed on the Ark of the Covenant. In Protestant churches, you sometimes see pictures. Pictures have two dimensions, height and width. If you add a third dimension, depth, it is a statue. A piece of religious art is not necessarily a graven image.

      November 9, 2011 at 3:26 pm |
  3. Bob

    Really? and other Christians, answer my earlier question. No more dodging. This question will surface again if you try to ignore it.

    I repeat, why was it ever necessary and considered pleasing to god, to slaughter and burn animals? Your bible has very clear instructions for doing it.

    November 9, 2011 at 1:50 pm |
    • AtheistSteve

      Just a shot in the dark here Bob but I'd say because God works in mysterious ways. See....no sweat. LOL

      November 9, 2011 at 1:54 pm |
    • warmesTghosT

      Just a guess, it's another held-over pagan belief that the early church stole from the ancient Greeks to make the religion more palatable to a wider swath of people. All Christianity is is a mish-mash of pagan creation myths cobbled together under a new name.

      November 9, 2011 at 1:55 pm |
    • Alien Orifice

      Just a guess here Bob. Mutton is yummy, kill two birds with one stone. Birds are good too come to think of it.

      November 9, 2011 at 2:02 pm |
    • Alfonzo Muchanzo

      Below site has an answer. Probably not the best answer out there but all I could find on short notice since I'm at work. Basically, the wages of sin are death. Animal sacrifices occurred bc that's how the Jews received forgiveness for their sins......until Jesus came along. He was the ultimate sacrifice and his sacrifice was for all of humanity, thus negating anymore animal sacrifices. Hope this helps, cheers 🙂

      http://bibleanswer.com/animalsac.htm

      November 9, 2011 at 2:02 pm |
    • GodPot

      "The priest shall bring it to the altar, wring off the head and burn it on the altar; its blood shall be drained out on the side of the altar. He is to remove the crop with its contents and throw it to the east side of the altar, where the ashes are. He shall tear it open by the wings, not severing it completely, and then the priest shall burn it on the wood that is on the fire on the altar. It is a burnt offering, an offering made by fire, an aroma pleasing to the LORD." Leviticus 1:15-17

      So not only is it pleasing to God, but he also just likes the way burning creatures smell.

      November 9, 2011 at 2:09 pm |
    • Bob

      No, Alfonzo, it doesn't help at all. Basically, any sane person can understand that animal sacrifice is horrible and unnecssary, yet your bible demands it very explicitly.

      Furthermore, there is no reason for an omnipotent being to require sacrifice. Nor can such a being do sacrifice. It appears that the whole silly Jesus scapegoat thing was just stolen from earlier superst-itions than Christianity. It's just crazy primitive lore, nothing more.

      Care to try again, in your own words?

      November 9, 2011 at 2:11 pm |
    • Bob

      *unnecessary*

      November 9, 2011 at 2:12 pm |
    • AtheistSteve

      Amazing isn't it how they still try to justify the fact that the God of Abraham is still a blood thirsty monster. A serial killer who upped the stakes when it came to killing his own son. And God WAS responsible for allowing it to happen. Such a twisted bizarre death cult this Christianity. I'll have none of it thank you very much.

      November 9, 2011 at 2:14 pm |
    • Father O'blivion

      And don't be forgettin' the 6000 people Moses had slaughtered, right after God revealed the commandment "thout shall not kill" to him. Aye he was a feisty little devil. And for man his age too!

      November 9, 2011 at 2:30 pm |
    • GodPot

      @Father – Yes, but the funnier part of that story is how they were killed for breaking one of the commandments "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth" and they had just made a golden calf to worship. However, they had not even been given that law yet, so here Moses has his men kill over 3000 of them for committing a crime that wasn't even a crime at the time.

      November 9, 2011 at 2:51 pm |
    • Father O'blivion

      Well that makes perfect sense to me. lol

      Prove yet again that the Bible was written by insane primitive men.

      November 9, 2011 at 3:17 pm |
    • Father O'blivion

      *proof*

      November 9, 2011 at 3:18 pm |
    • lady

      It was called a blood sacifice for the atonement of sins.

      November 9, 2011 at 6:11 pm |
  4. Joe

    If you don't like the Church's clear teaching which is in line with Scripture then go join another religion. But you trying to justify your sin by demanding that the Church condones it is beyond insane. If you are opely breaking the laws of the Church than you are not following it, so don't call yourself a Catholic. The one good thing is the Church is not swayed by politics or protests but must maintain the Truth in her teachings. Man has been trying to justify his sin since the beginning of time, I suggest you try a different outlet than the Church.

    November 9, 2011 at 1:43 pm |
    • Primewonk

      Why was the SBC formed? Was the church right? Why did the SBC formally apologize in the 1990's? Were they right then?

      November 9, 2011 at 1:47 pm |
    • John

      ok, we are all sinners in one way or another which means we are breaking the laws of the Catholic church, does that mean we should all not call ourselves Catholic. Remember the story about he without sin cast the first stone.

      November 9, 2011 at 1:57 pm |
  5. NickZadick

    Way to go hiding this story after it was done featuring CNN!!!!

    November 9, 2011 at 1:42 pm |
  6. MashaSobaka

    When the churchgoers change their views, the church itself is forced to follow or else submit to its own demise. Let's hope progress continues to take root even among those who are told from childhood that anyone who is different is automatically dangerous. They've got plenty of support from liberals like me.

    November 9, 2011 at 1:41 pm |
    • Really?

      God doesn't progress.

      November 9, 2011 at 1:43 pm |
    • Ike

      It is interesting that God and Christians have continued for centuries even though the nations and countires aroudn them have fallen and crumbled. Who si more resiliant? Actually you will be gone long before God will?

      November 9, 2011 at 1:45 pm |
    • Bob

      MashaSobaka, I appreciate your post.

      Progress such as you describe also has my support. In my case, I am a very fiscally conservative, pro-capitalist, het-ero-se-xual atheist. Funny that it is getting harder and harder for voters in categories such as mine to vote Republican, given the religious wingnuts such as Romney, Perry, and Bachmann that they seem to turn up as candidates. What a slate of idiots. Alas.

      November 9, 2011 at 1:54 pm |
    • Fallacy Spotting 101

      Post by Ike is an instance of the ad populum fallacy. Essentially, while aspects of the idea sets being tramsitted are successfully propagating memes, that is not proof of their veracity or accuracy.

      http://www.iep.utm.edu/fallacy/

      November 9, 2011 at 1:58 pm |
    • Nonimus

      @Really?
      "God doesn't progress."

      That's unfortunate.

      November 9, 2011 at 2:07 pm |
  7. Really?

    Hippy.... your site don't work http://www.avesta.org/avesta.htm
    Tell me what you're so angry with God about.

    November 9, 2011 at 1:39 pm |
    • farcry228

      that he is gay

      November 9, 2011 at 1:41 pm |
    • Alien Orifice

      How can you be angry with something that does not exist?

      November 9, 2011 at 1:49 pm |
    • hippypoet

      sry, try this one.. its the timeline page, but if you go to the bottom you can get back to home page.

      November 9, 2011 at 2:08 pm |
    • hippypoet

      sry again, little high and forgot to post the site lol

      http://www.avesta.org/timeline.htm

      November 9, 2011 at 2:09 pm |
  8. farcry228

    god is dumb

    November 9, 2011 at 1:31 pm |
    • ummmmm what?

      and you've just proved your intelligence, or lack thereof :p

      November 9, 2011 at 1:34 pm |
    • Ike

      This is just what God said you would say. If you exist at all. I have my doubts.

      November 9, 2011 at 1:36 pm |
    • farcry228

      good one, you really got me

      November 9, 2011 at 1:36 pm |
    • claybigsby

      "This is just what God said you would say."

      nooooo this is what MAN said would happen...not god.

      November 9, 2011 at 4:08 pm |
  9. hippypoet

    do you peopel not see the lunacy in basing ones life on a belief that can't be proven right or wrong untill you die!
    you people are retared! there really is no better way to live accecpt thru something i can't prove ...thats idiotic! let people live and be happy without laying shame on them because you THINK its wrong... get over yourselves!

    November 9, 2011 at 1:30 pm |
    • tati

      Dude, take a chill pill

      November 9, 2011 at 1:31 pm |
    • hippypoet

      my chill pill was the blunt i just toked! 🙂

      November 9, 2011 at 1:32 pm |
    • ummmmm what?

      Lol, you do realize that any belief falls under that category, including atheism right? hahahahah what a joke you are.

      November 9, 2011 at 1:32 pm |
    • Ike

      I know what right do we have to place shame or judge those people that have more than one wife, have relationship with children (which is not stimatized in other countries), have relationship with animals, etc. How can we compare we say one is good and call the others bad?

      November 9, 2011 at 1:34 pm |
    • Alien Orifice

      HP, pass from the left bogarter! Do we have to go through every friggin' morning?

      November 9, 2011 at 1:34 pm |
    • AtheistSteve

      Pfffft....now that's some good Ganja 🙂

      November 9, 2011 at 1:43 pm |
    • Fookin' Prawn

      Ike, you seem to be focusing quite a bit on the idea of humans with animals. When the vet suggested you give your dog an occasional bone, that's not what he meant.

      November 9, 2011 at 1:59 pm |
    • hippypoet

      how is it that people keep thinking being an atheist is being part of a religion... oh thats right, religion, stupidity and ignorance go hand and hand. whoops, sry i forget that from time to time!

      November 9, 2011 at 2:02 pm |
  10. Ike

    "Has anyone ever played with magnets? You can push two + poles together, but they are not made to go that way. Confusious say, "Man may make love to tree, but will come away with splinters."
    This is a repost, because it shows that nature abhores things that don't really go together and it is humerous. Even animals that were once thought gay have proven otherwise when given the chance at real mating.

    November 9, 2011 at 1:28 pm |
    • TheMatador

      Are you implying that people are the same as magnets, troll?

      November 9, 2011 at 1:34 pm |
    • Ike

      Are you implying that a man and a woman are the same as a man and a man? Do you know anything about nature and biology? Do you know anything about women? Do you know anything about men? Did you go to school? And why call people names when they are stating biological and natural facts.

      November 9, 2011 at 1:39 pm |
    • Bob

      Ike, care to provide a reference for your claims? The National Geogr-aphic of July 2004, among many other sources, seems to disagree with you.

      Even if your own claims are true, they seem to be showing att-rac-tion to both se-xes, not het-er-o over same se-x.

      November 9, 2011 at 1:42 pm |
    • Bob

      http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/07/0722_040722_gayanimal.html

      November 9, 2011 at 1:43 pm |
    • Primewonk

      Ike – the problem is that you are not quoting or posting biological or natural facts. Instead, you are getting your 'sciency' sounding informtion from religious sites.

      The sad fact is that you choose to ignore science if it disagees with your religious beliefs.

      November 9, 2011 at 1:54 pm |
  11. Father O'blivion

    Jesus is dead, and if you want to keep calling yourself Alfonzo then get your bloomin' ar se over here and help me whip up some pancakes for my flock!

    November 9, 2011 at 1:28 pm |
  12. Alfonzo Muchanzo

    Interesting how 99% of the angry posts are from atheists acting condescending towards Christians. And yet it is Christians who make this world a terrible place, not the selfishness and vile acts of humans in general. Live your life as you please and I will do the same. I hope you atheists can find that happiness that you all claim to have, but after reading many of your posts its pretty obvious that most of you have some major anger inside you. Jesus is real and I hope you too can find the peace and love that he brings someday. God bless you all 🙂

    November 9, 2011 at 1:23 pm |
    • hippypoet

      jesus is real huh... where is he hiding... oh oh i know – check the closet!

      November 9, 2011 at 1:25 pm |
    • cm

      Atheists for the most part are angry people from what I have seen and experienced. Maybe a consequence of being disconnected and bounded.

      November 9, 2011 at 1:27 pm |
    • Willie the Pimp

      @cm
      I AM NOT ANGRY DAM MIT. STOP SAYING THAT STOP IT OR ELSE!!

      November 9, 2011 at 1:32 pm |
    • Bob

      Actually, Alfonzo, this time around, a lot of the nastiest posts are from Christians expressing hate and indig-nation over a photo of an expre-ssion of love. Nice try at pushing your Christian agenda of bigotry and ho-mo-phobia and hate, but you fail.

      Kudos to CNN, though, for having the guts to publish what they know will be a contro-versial photo. Although I suppose it will get their pageviews and ad revs up.

      November 9, 2011 at 1:34 pm |
    • holly

      right on!
      Never have I once met an atheist who was not miserable, full of hate and judgmental of others. I have met many atheists and I read the comments here. If being a believer does nothing more than keep me from becoming an angry, miserable, know it all atheist, then thank you, Jesus!

      November 9, 2011 at 1:34 pm |
    • Bob

      We love you too, holly, even though you are a stunningly ignorant, bigoted beotch.

      And you're disgustingly fat, too. Get off that couch, get out of that trailer, and get some exercise.

      November 9, 2011 at 1:44 pm |
  13. Peter

    There is no such thing as a gay catholic. Some men love to wallow in their own filth. Some men love to make up lies. The men in the picture are the first sort. The darlings who serve up this trash to the public are the other kind.

    November 9, 2011 at 1:21 pm |
    • Bob

      It will be a great day when there is no such thing as a catholic at all, regardless of se-xual orient-ation.

      November 9, 2011 at 1:45 pm |
    • Nonimus

      Since it's a sin to act on ho.mose.xual tendencies, then wouldn't it be fair to say "there are no sinful Catholics?" Which would mean they are sinless, like Jesus. But aren't we all sinners? I don't think your logic works.

      November 9, 2011 at 2:18 pm |
  14. Alien Orifice

    I have had many friends over the years (I am 46) who are Gay. Normal dudes and gals, they just like the cok and not the pusay.....or vica versa.

    They were born that way. NO doubt about it. They have suffered a great suffering at the hands of society and their families. But they are who they are and they can’t change it and who cares. They have to live their lives in the face of prejudice.

    Now, I have also been in show business my whole life, and that is a whole different world. Sh-it man dam near everyone is que er. These folks gravitate to a place that accepts them. That is their family. I embrace them.

    You bigots and Gay Bashers make their lives a living hell, but they move on. They have more guts and personal fort itude than you will ever have. They carve out lives for themselves against the odds.

    Those of you who continue to live in the dark ages, I doubt there is any hope for you. But just go away! No one cares that you don't "approve" of the Gay lifestyle. You don't even know what that means. You have never even seen it. It is actually kind of cool.

    My two children are being raised to love everyone and that everyone is equal and to think critically about the world around them. They are awesome, and I wish the grown-ups would catch up to the kids.

    November 9, 2011 at 1:20 pm |
    • Bob

      Great post, AO. I hope your kids turn out as well as you have. Sounds like you are raising them well.

      November 9, 2011 at 1:47 pm |
    • Mike from CT

      Alien Orifice... the day your spouse cheats on you I hope you can either accept their answer of "Well I was born attracted to other people and I just want to love everyone" or finally come to realize that even if that line is true, there are still universal objective morals.

      November 9, 2011 at 2:05 pm |
    • Alien Orifice

      Mike, when you have a relevant thought to share, come back and participate.

      November 9, 2011 at 2:12 pm |
    • Bob

      Mike, where do you get your morals from? Surely not that horrid text known as the bible. If you claim so, we'll get into its horrors after you finish sacrificing that goat.

      November 9, 2011 at 2:15 pm |
  15. NickZadick

    and Julie... no I can't claim to be absolutely correct... but I also am sure that people 2000 years ago had no better idea than I! People who say that the people who wrote holy books talked to god is absolutely ridiculous! god doesn't give interviews!

    November 9, 2011 at 1:13 pm |
    • hippypoet

      "god doesn't give interviews!"

      most likely because he doesn't exist!

      November 9, 2011 at 1:14 pm |
    • Julie

      and now you know the mind of God, too!

      November 9, 2011 at 1:15 pm |
    • Ike

      Just because we have NickZadick recorded doesn't mean he actually exist. He is made up and isn't real people. I am responding to Julie who is real.

      November 9, 2011 at 1:21 pm |
    • I'm The Best!

      @ike
      You have more proof that nickzadick is real than your god, your holding a conversation with nick right now

      November 9, 2011 at 1:37 pm |
  16. dalis

    I couldn't help but notice, but the two men in the photo are standing in front of a very special church in Rome – the Basilica of Santa Maria degli Angeli e dei Martiri. Why is this important? Two reasons: this church was beautifully remodeled from Diocletian's Baths by a very notable gay Catholic in history – Michelangelo Buonarroti. Yes, at one time, the Catholic Church saw fit to employ a gay man to design its finest church and conserve its antiquities. His Sistine Chapel frescoes witness every conclave that elects every new pope. Secondly, the basilica in the photo today houses the Papacy's official Meridian Line as well as the Catholic Church's official museum dedicated to the reconciliation of Galileo Galilei. Let that serve as a humbling reminder that being gay is entirely reconcilable with being Catholic and that the Church has often worked for Reason, but that it has just has often impeded its progress when it was not prepared to change.

    November 9, 2011 at 1:11 pm |
  17. hippypoet

    jesus is a thief and a lier and not worth basing your lives on... his message was a great one – but it wasn't his message...perhaps all you folks would be happier being buddhists – i know that world would be a much better place if that were the case. Everything jesus was said to be and have done was said to have been done by many who lived before he did. Do the research and you will know much more about the man called jesus and "his" message!

    November 9, 2011 at 1:08 pm |
    • gumbalay

      hate much pi$$head??

      November 9, 2011 at 1:10 pm |
    • hippypoet

      sry if the truth hurts.... did mommy ever tell you that? Or did she just lie to all day long everyday... do you still believe in santa?

      November 9, 2011 at 1:12 pm |
    • Really?

      We all know you believe that is why you are so angry. Want to talk about it.

      November 9, 2011 at 1:14 pm |
    • hippypoet

      yea i would really, i would love to talk about your insanity in full length... here check out all material you can find on the Buddha and his teachings, then check out this site on Zoroasterianism...http://www.avesta.org/avesta.html ....then after all the reading try and tell me that jesus told the truth, his truth, and didn't steal it from other philosphies and merge it with jewish mysticism.... go on, go and read then get back to me!

      November 9, 2011 at 1:17 pm |
    • dennis

      Your time is short!!!!!!
      Matthew 24:
      27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be . 28 For wheresoever the carcase is , there will the eagles be gathered together . 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened , and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken : 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn , and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other . 32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. 34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass , till all these things be fulfilled . 35 Heaven and earth shall pass away , but my words shall not pass away . 36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. 37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be . 38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking , marrying and giving in marriage , until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39 And knew not until the flood came , and took them all away ; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be . 40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken , and the other left . 41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken , and the other left . 42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come . 43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come , he would have watched , and would not have suffered his house to be broken up . 44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh ..

      November 9, 2011 at 1:57 pm |
    • hippypoet

      I have read that book, its a lovely fiction.. but i prefer truth – here check this site out – http://www.avesta.org/timeline.htm

      November 9, 2011 at 2:12 pm |
  18. A Christian

    Is that Ben Afflec?

    November 9, 2011 at 1:08 pm |
  19. gumbalay

    Peter Puffer Pride Parade in Plano Promenade with Puffers Prancing Proudly in their Pink Pantalones !

    November 9, 2011 at 1:06 pm |
    • Or

      Gumbalay Giddily Groping Gross Gargantuan Girls wearing G-strings

      November 9, 2011 at 1:14 pm |
    • Published Author

      Very nice! To both!

      November 9, 2011 at 1:19 pm |
  20. JimBob

    We're Catholic and we use birth control. That is in direct opposition to official Catholic Church teaching and, according to them, a mortal sin upon our souls. However, we find our Faith through our relationship and Love of Christ, not through imperfect human teachers. The Bible contains many rules that the Catholic Church does not follow today like the ban on eating shellfish or working on the sabbath. Both of those were punishable by death in the old days. Now they are celebrated. Gay families and their children deserve all the same opportunities for commitment, responsibilities and dignity of marriage. The Catholic church will eventually come around on this-how long did it take them to admit that the earth revolved around the sun? We'll get there.

    November 9, 2011 at 1:02 pm |
    • Fookin' Prawn

      Thumbs up, JimBob.

      November 9, 2011 at 1:07 pm |
    • catholic engineer

      JimBob, I am a Catholic and I too have grappled with the Church's teaching on ARTIFICAL birth control. However, in fairness, let me offer this from Malcolm Muggeridge. In the old Roman days, they would have big feasts, gorging themselves. Then, they would go into a room called a "vomitorium", throw up, then go back to feasting, then back to vomiting. This act separated eating from its purpose – nourishment. Well, ARTIFICIAL birth control does something similar. It separates the marital act from its purpose: the loving procreation of children. Artificial birth control turns the marital act into a secksual vomitorium. It makes sense to me, but the Church has all the hard teachings. Tough to live up to.

      November 9, 2011 at 1:14 pm |
    • Long Story

      JimBob, Birth control issues were my first step out the door of Catholicism, after strictly following every dot and ti.ttle for 25 years. Once their 'spell' on me was broken, issue after issue after issue in their teachings screamed at my conscience. 25 more years and I finally admitted to being agnostic/atheistic. I hope that your journey is not as long and distressing as mine was.

      November 9, 2011 at 1:29 pm |
    • Johnny

      Seems to me that the moral problem with the vomitorium is not the separation of an act with its natural,intended purpose, but rather on the excess and waste while others suffer from hunger.
      If I were to pick flowers from my garden to display in a vase, I have taken something that is meant for procreation and used it for the purpose of beautifying my home. We can all find multiple purposes for the gifts of nature.

      November 9, 2011 at 2:00 pm |
    • Bob

      catholic engineer, yeah, it must also be tough to keep up with all those animal sacrifices that your god wants you to do regularly. You must have a good knife sharpener.

      November 9, 2011 at 2:04 pm |
    • Nonimus

      @Catholic Engineer,
      So are you saying that vomitoriums and bulimia are sinful?... just like gay se.x supposedly is?

      Or, are you saying that there is no purpose to se.x other than procreation?... just like there is no purpose to ni.pples other than breast feeding ... on a man? Or tonsils? etc.

      Or are you saying that there it is the ARTIFICIAL birth control that is the problem?... just like ARTIFICIAL sunscreen, medicine, plastics, etc.

      November 9, 2011 at 2:46 pm |
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