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November 9th, 2011
01:16 PM ET
'Tebowing' prayer stirs debate, but quarterback is OK with itBy Steve Almasy, CNN (CNN) - Tim Tebow is used to being a lightning rod. While he was the quarterback at the University of Florida, he drew a lot of attention. And we mean a lot. He won the Heisman Trophy (the only sophomore to ever win the award), and his team won two NCAA football titles. Plus, he was very public about his Christian faith. He wore Bible verses on his eye black. He invoked God frequently at news conferences. No one doubted that Tebow was a great college quarterback and a good kid. But all the media attention made some people weary of the name. He's good, they said, but he's no messiah. Being a great college quarterback doesn’t always translate into being a good pro quarterback and, let’s be honest, there are more than a few people taking great glee from the second-year player's recent struggles with the Denver Broncos. And even some of Tebow's better moments on the field are sowing controversy. During an October 23 contest against the winless Miami Dolphins, the Broncos trailed until a last-minute touchdown and two-point conversion by Tebow tied the score. Denver won in overtime. Afterward, Jared Kleinstein, a Denver-born Broncos fan who was watching the game from New York, noticed that Tebow had knelt in prayer, alone on the sidelines, while his teammates celebrated on the field. Kleinstein decided to take a picture outside the New York bar where he had gathered with friends. Six of them knelt on their knees with their balled-up right fists to their faces, Tebow-style. Kleinstein started a website, www.tebowing.com, defining Tebow as a verb: “To get down on a knee and start praying, even if everyone else around you is doing something completely different.” His photo was the first one posted. More photos came in from around the world. People Tebowed from the Philippines, the Vatican, Iraq, even in front of the Great Pyramid. They Tebowed at the airport, at the hospital, even at an "Occupy Chicago" protest. As of Tuesday, Kleinstein had posted more than 600 photos on his site. Tebow, for his part, approves. “Love it,” he wrote on Twitter. But did he love it when Detroit Lions linebacker Stephen Tulloch sacked him in an October 30 game and proceeded to “Tebow?” “He was celebrating and having fun with his teammates. I don’t take offense to that,” Tebow said during a session with the media last week. Tebow, who has started three games for the 3-5 Broncos, does not shy away from criticism of his quarterbacking - or of his faith. The son of missionaries, he embraces his spotlight to draw attention to his Christianity. He and his mother appeared in a Focus on the Family anti-abortion ad that appeared during the Super Bowl in February. That kind of faith-based boldness separates Tebow from other religious sports figures. His more public displays hearten supporters and enrage detractors. Some commentators, like ESPN.com writer Jemele Hill, think making sport of Tebow's beliefs is offensive. She writes of Tulloch's Tebowing pose:
Former Indianapolis Colts head coach Tony Dungy, a Christian, says there is some jealousy of Tebow among other NFL players. But he doubts the Lions were making fun of the quarterback, even though another player Tebowed after scoring a touchdown during the same game against Denver, a 45-10 rout. “I don’t believe people are saying, 'I am going to mock his faith,'" Dungy said on his website, All Pro Dad. Former NFL quarterback Phil Simms isn’t surprised that other players want a piece of a player who is new to the league and whom the media obsesses over. “They want to see you [succeed] on the field first,” Simms said in a video on Sports Illustrated’s website. Tebow acknowledges that some who have sent their pictures into the Tebowing website are making fun of him and some are mocking religion. But he told the Denver Post he prefers not to judge anyone. He told reporter Lindsay H. Jones:
What do you think? Are people being disrespectful of religion by Tebowing? Was Tebow asking for it?
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Ill be ordering a Tebow jersey this weekend. He lives his convictions, which is more than most people will ever be able to say. Keep doing what you do Tim.
Dennis
Are you suggesting that other NFL players don't? Or anybody else for that matter? This article gave you such a hard on for Tebow they you are going to fill the NFL's pockets with your hard earned cash? That makes sense.
Alien. Now you're just being a jerk.
Christians:
Is God all knowing? And if so, does he know when we will be born and when we will die?
Is this really that difficult for you? I thought you Bible thumpers new all about the good Lord?
Really? Nothing? Wonder why I am not surprised.
Alien, stop being lazy and read Jesus' letter He wrote to all of us (the Bible) to find the answer to your question yourself.
Amen.
They know everything about the wants, needs and desires of their non-corporeal, extra-dimensional, impossible to discern super ent.ity. That's how they knew the stories they wrote about him 2000 years ago must be true given the copious evidence supporting his existence. How could anyone possibly consider otherwise? Now excuse me while I go ride my unicorn into my private portal to the purple fields on Askalfar in the Andromeda galaxy. Be back in time for afternoon tea.
HS, I did and I have read the ah...."letter" (?) I assume you mean the Bible. I know exactly what answer you all should be giving me, but you have not given it. Not surprising. We Athiests and Agnostics have to spend a lot of time teaching Christians their own religion.
Besides HeavenSent who has nothing to add here, anybody? anybody? Ferris?
It is the belief that the Creator, the one God, the Alpha and the Omega, who created Earth and all of it's inhabitants does know when we will enter this realm as well as when we will leave it. Some, who believe in other faiths, call it Fate, and others call it their own time. I believe that people are ignoring you because it even says in the Bible that the Creator is "all knowing" or omniscient (spelling?) but then again, you know this and I am humoring you...so believe what you will.
The purpose of this is to acknowledge that Tim Tebow walks the walk and talks the talk. He IS his faith and in this day and time, this is so rare. Shame really. Tim is a great person for our kids to look up to. He believes in God, Family, Education and then Football. He graduated from the University of Florida first before entering the draft. He knows and understands that his tenure as an athlete will end while he is still young and knew that he would need to have a backup plan. He is truly a wonderful young man, a young man who is real. So, while others diss him for his beliefs, it is his leadership, on and off the field, with and without faith that provide us the hero for our children to look up to. God bless you Timmy!
Witchywoman, right on. And that God you speak of is the Flying Spaghetti Monster. He nourishes us fully and touches us all with his noodliness. Not like that Christian god, with those puny communion wafer thingies.
PS I like witchy. You might be just my type.
RAmen.
So does Witchywoman speak for the rest of you? Thanks Witchy, if you could just filter your answer down to the question I asked. I think you said Yes and Yes. Is that correct?
And you are wrong, they are not ignoring me for any other reason other than they have not read the Bible and they are hypocrites.
Shouldn't WitchyWoman be a pagan?
Anyway just to raise a point about my last post none of the things I postulated are beyond reason. A unicorn or analog of such could conceivably be created by gene manipulation, a portal or "stargate" is within the theoretically possible(albeit extremely unlikely) to construct, Andromeda exists and purple fields not much of a stretch given we have eggplants and cabbage.
Dang it AthiestSteve. You burst my bubble. I thought you were really going and I was going see if I could catch a lift! I have cousins in that neighborhood.
Yes and yes. It takes less faith and is more intelligent to believe in God... A master creator whose wisdom and power is far beyond our puny human ability to reason. God is all knowing and all powerful and knows the moment you were conceived and knows the exact minute you will die. To believe that we all "just happened" and that everything is up to chance takes a far greater exercise of faith. Do you really think that our delicate and highly complex bodies just happened? Not to mention the fact that we can reproduce exact replicas... happened by chance? I think the chance of that happening is about the same as a book factory blowing up, sending the pages of the bible exploding into air, then falling page by page, in perfect order, back into a book. Think about it.
Hello Mr. Alien. If God is the creator of space-time, then it would seem reasonable to assume that God knows all of the events that happen in space-time. From God's perspective, time would not seem to flow as it seems to flow for us. As described in the Bible, He is transcendent. He is "everywhen". Thus "A day is a thousand years and a thousand years as a day". So, the answer seems to be yes. God knows. However, I cannot say for certain. But this has been covered by Augustine. Haven't you heard?
BTW, you said most of us weren't responding because we haven't read our Bibles and are hypocrites. It's more likely that most of us don't want to waste our time talking to people who just want to pick a fight - especially when they are arrogant and uninformed. We were told not to cast our pearls before... well, you've read it, so you know.
Yes.
If he was a Muslim player, this would not even have made it into news. But he is an Evil Christian so let's make it national news...
Pravda, don't you think you'd be with like minds if you went back to your communist country?
Amen.
Pravda,
As someone who has read the Quaran (aka Koran) and the Bible and all of the other Holy Books that teach us how to live a good life, they are all the same. They teach us that the Creator only wants us to love one another. He has sent teachers out there – some we listen to, and some we don't. If Mr. Tebow were Muslim, he would be that which leads and doesn't follow and again teaches that God is Love.
So, while I understand that so many don't understand the Religion of Islam, it is because they have never read the Good Book. They stick to their own ideals and fail to open their minds to what God truly wants us to know. In this, Mr. Tebow leads as he teaches love, faith and fellowship.
It is national news because whether he is on the field or off, he walks the walk.
Witchywoman, actually all the phony religions in the world took 95% of Jesus' truth about life and the hereafter, added 5% of satan's lies to confuse and cause doubt in the world about Jesus being our Lord and Savior. It's in the Bible how Lucifer is the father of all lies. Oh, that's right, you read this truth.
Amen.
Heaven Sent,
Actually, the philosophies attributed to Jesus in the NT (and the philosophies of the OT) came from earlier ideas from all around the area over there in the Middle East.
Whereas Christianity stole most of itself, including the whole Jesus-on-a-stick scapegoat story, from earlier "false religions".
Same old stories, different names sometimes. Christianity is just another cult. Get over it already.
Get Real, our posts crossed with similar content. Of course, mine was also a reply to yet more nonsense from HS.
HS, again your ignorance knows no bounds. Jesus is the liar and the thief. While his message was, by most accounts, positive, he stole his beliefs from many religions that proceeded him. He was a Jewish Rabbi with his hand out, just like preachers and priests of today.
So it's priests you hold something against. I think we're getting warm on guessing what your childhood trauma was and why you're so bitter. God isn't to blame.
Amen.
Atheists. You need to read something other than atheist blogs. Wise up. You are not as informed as you think. Oink!
Whether it's remembering statistics, buying merchandise, or doing a player's prayer gesture, so many people idolize sports in such a corny fashion. All this over a game that was meant to be played as a past time.
Gotta love the Tebow style, that is cool.
Sportsmen witnessing for God. Awesome!
Then, after the game, they sacrifice and burn a goat to make god happy, just like the bible commands them.
That is the mark of a MAN, a man who wants to share his faith with others.
What a powerful testimony to all the kids.
Tebow-Rock on! we dig Tebow style, it is cooool!
Thank you Tony!
Amen.
Tony Dgee, I hope you are not just another one of those drive by Christian posters, because I have a question for you and none of your fellew "believers" have answered it for me. Seems like an easy question to me:
Is God all knowing? And if so, does he know when we will be born and when we will die?
And ask Tebow where all this motivation comes from? Am sure he is gonna point you to his faith in the Almighty God!
Tebow-God bless you!
Bob, you spewed your babble "Then, after the game, they sacrifice and burn a goat to make god happy, just like the bible commands them."
Answer: If you weren't such a die hard communists and opened the Bible and read it with comprehension, you'd realize that Jesus is our passover. I'm sure when you join family and loved ones over holiday dinners, you care only how much free food you can shovel down your throat.
How sad.
Amen.
Isn't HeavenSent a joy? Such a positve person. I wish there was a heaven and I could be a fly on the wall when she gets to the gate and gets a swift kick in the A-ss that sends her to SATAN.
For someone that claims not to believe in God and Satan, you sure do speak f them an awful lot. Pray for your soul.
Amen.
Alien Orifice, you babbled "Isn't HeavenSent a joy? Such a positve person. I wish there was a heaven and I could be a fly on the wall when she gets to the gate and gets a swift kick in the A-ss that sends her to SATAN."
Answer: My, my, my Alien can't stand when he doesn't get stroked by the phonies spewing love the sinner hate the sin ... which isn't written in the Bible by the way. His ego can't take not being like for breathing as a communist.
Amen.
As for the phony heavensent. You're on a roll spewing your nonsense under my handle. Still glad that Jesus' truth that I post got you in a tizzy.
I pray for children with cancer. Not my favorite hockey team. These athletes need to be more concerned with praying for people who suffer. This only proves their greed, which is a sin.
Amen.
So why did god give those poor kids cancer to begin with?
Yes HS, all 350,000 of them in the U.S. alone. They would Tebow to God themselves but they are busy getting chemo.
Bob, you said: "So why did god give those poor kids cancer to begin with?"
Answer: Why do you say that God gave them cancer? Why do atheists use this same old tired argument? They all claim that it's God's fault that bad things happened. No. You are incorrect. God did not give anyone cancer. Mankind has created pollutants, impurities and done other things that have increased the risks for cancer. Did God create cigarettes? No. In your theory, God must be handing out lung cancer to people who have been smoking for 40 years. It must have nothing to do with smoking, right? It's all God's fault, right?
Yes, I know that children do not smoke. Maybe their parents did and caused damage to their own reproductive organs and introduced harmful elements. Maybe their parents did drugs or are alcoholic. Maybe dad got exposed to asbestos.
Still want to continue blaming God? Your kind ramble about practicality and logic, but all you do is cry about how it's all God's fault and you don't even stop to think about what the underlying causes are of everything. You're no better than someone like me. I believe in Jesus and you call me blind. Yet you are blind to the simplicity in all of the answers to the stupid questions you ask.
Amen.
Alien, you said "Yes HS, all 350,000 of them in the U.S. alone. They would Tebow to God themselves but they are busy getting chemo."
Answer: Look, another atheist trying to blame God. Read my previous post for the answer to your typical and predictable blame.
@HS – "Why do you say that God gave them cancer? Why do atheists use this same old tired argument? They all claim that it's God's fault that bad things happened"
Well, when all ye Christians claim everything good that happens was somehow God working in mysterious ways or answering prayers, all atheists are doing is asking the question "What about the other payers that go unanswered if it works that way? Why give credit to him for the good things but not the bad?"
Oh and if you believe God made all plants on the planet then yes, he did make tobacco which has been being dried and smoked for centuries.
HS as should WELL know by now, I don't believe in God. So how could I blame cancer on something I don't even believe exists? Oh, and CNN is not blocking your posts. You probably forgot that too. I have said it before but I will say it again, you really are the dumbest person I have ever come in contact with.
Heaven Sent:
Just another Christian crediting "God" with all the good stuff and none of the bad. Just like a real-life acquaintance I spoke with recently who was having a veritable godgasm effusing, "I know "God" performs miracles! Our church was in horrible, dire straits financially, and we prayed last Wednesday night... and the next day someone gave us a nice donation!"
God created plants, but that doesn't mean we should set them on fire and inhale the smoke. God created rocks too. Should we start bashing people in the head with them, since God created them for some unknown, obscure purpose? In your reasoning, since God put it there, we should use it for an evil purpose, and then go ahead and blame God. That sure sounds logical to me. Way to argue a point. Any more bright ideas?
Amen.
Alien, if you had God in your life, you might not be such a bitter old man. It's obvious you have never had any moral upbringing. Anything that may have been taught to you was lost because of your greed and hate. Something bad must have happened to you as a child and now you blame God by saying He doesn't exist.
Amen.
Get Real, obviously their prayers were answered. It came in the form of a much-needed donation. Classic atheist, deny deny deny!
Amen.
No, it is pretty much just you I can't stand. On account of you are so stupid. How can I blame God if I don't believe that he exists? Logic much HS?
Alien, what happened? Did you get picked on a lot? Were you physically abused by your parents or a close relative? Were you abused by a priest? I'm willing to bet one or more of these things happened and you have turned away from God because of it. It isn't God's fault. You can stop blaming Him.
Amen.
You're too weird for words phony heavensent. However, I'm glad that my posts about Jesus' truth irk you to the point you have to steal my handle and write your babble.
Amen.
And you, Heaven Sent? Were you dropped on your head as a child? Was it poor nutrition? Or just bad genetic inheritance?
Alien Orifice, you babble with one of your phony handles as you stole my handle to answer yourself "No, it is pretty much just you I can't stand. On account of you are so stupid. How can I blame God if I don't believe that he exists? Logic much HS?""
Answer: How do you spell communist? A T H E I S T.
Amen.
Actually, HS, you seem the bitter angry, one here, as you usually are.
Are you a fat, ugly child? Did your pack banish you?
Alien hasn't answered. I must have hit a nerve by speaking the truth.
Amen.
@HeavenSent: Is that all of your point? dude that is a bad point if it is, because guess what God created everything and gave us the free will to use it how we see fit (Yes that is what you were getting at) however! You must also be immune to the idea of genetics since most all childhood cancers are genetic... In simple words you might understand. God gave them cancer. Why you might ask would a god that loves all create cancer? It is because nothing can be perfect, we have to have trials in life.
HS, re "by speaking the truth.", well, that'd be a first time for you.
Don't call me a communist. As I've said earlier, I'm a capitalist. A very rich and successful one, at that. And happily married, so don't try hitting on me.
Now stop dodging and answer my question, are you fat and ugly? There must be some reason why you're so bitter and vicious.
This is a pretty good troll you got going on here. I bet it is between yourself. Sad.
Bob, I don't think you're a communist. No, I'm not fat and ugly. And Alien ran away.
Amen.
How funny. All the phony handles written by the same person stealing my handle to talk to him/herself.
ROTFLOL.
Amen.
In a prior post, you called me a communist. Do you now take that back?
Alien hinted in another post what it was. He hates priests. I'm willing to bet my life he was abused by a priest and that is why he blames God for everything wrong in the world. It is not God, it is man influenced by the devil that cause pain.
Amen.
When a person shoves it in the public's face, he's made his ridiculous ideas fair game for public ridicule.
That is hot!!!
Good luck to Tebow, and everyone.......but what is he praying about? "Thank you, Creator of the Universe, for allowing me to complete that 7 yard pass and I know you want my team to win"..........does he think God could be cajoled into becoming a Broncos fan? Does he think that we will be so awestruck by his piety that we too will want to ask favors of the Invisible Man In The Sky?
Perhaps he is praying for the strength and focus to be the best he can be at his chosen profession. I'm not religious but I am a firm believer in the right of anyone to express their religious belief without fear of reprisal. What ever the motivation of the Tebowers, Mr. Tebow choses to take the high road and think the best of his fellow humans. Good on him.
Wow, you miserable communists will find anything to complain about. LOL.
Amen.
HS, actually, you seem to be the down-and-out miserable one here. And don't try calling me a communist again. I've created more business wealth in the past year than you will in your lifetime.
Bob, you ranted "HS, actually, you seem to be the down-and-out miserable one here. And don't try calling me a communist again. I've created more business wealth in the past year than you will in your lifetime."
Answer: Bob, if you don't love and follow Jesus you love and follow Satan. All communist follow Satan. Plus, money is the root of all evil. We are not our money. Haven't you read that scripture? Guess, not.
P.S. another phony handle named Bob, writing to the phony heavensent. You atheists are so pathetic and sad.
Amen.
While the phony HeavenSents are sometimes humorous, it just gives her an out when she wants to deny saying something (and the Poe is confusing sometimes). We have plenty to work with as it is...
Rob Long, Does God know all? Does he know when we will be born and when we will die? Thanks.
He knows the outcome of football games and bets on them. God always needs money, and the church just ain't raking that in like it used to, so now he has to gamble.
Obligatory Carlin reference
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPOfurmrjxo
Hey Alien, your hero George is definitely on the wrong side of the divide in paradise. Read it for yourself, Jesus put it in writing in His letter He wrote to all (the Bible).
Amen.
....Because god cares about your sport. If god existed, I believe he'd scoff at people who play sports for a living while others struggle all of their lives to support their families. And then these tights-wearing fancy lads have the audacity to pray?
"Oh dear lord, please give me the badassedness to score a winning touchdown so that I might get that $100M contract next year. I deserve it, I work so hard."
I don't think it matters what I think. I think it matters what Tebow thinks, and what the intent behind "Tebowing" is in each case. I personally believe that the intent behind an event determines whether it is good or bad...not the result.
Religion is a belief system. I think its a personal decision and one that should be respected as long as it does not disrespect another religion or faith. I do not believe myself God influences sports. I think God gives you the abilities and you as a person make the most of them. I do not think God plays favorites.
Praise Jesus!
Peace to all 🙂
Weren't you just told Jesus is dead? What is wrong with you mister?
Praise the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
Peace and Pasta to all. Hey, Alf, at least our god is tasty and edible. Yours doesn't even exist.
http://venganza.org
RAmen.
Amen
Alien Orifice, you spewed incorrectly "Weren't you just told Jesus is dead? What is wrong with you mister?"
Answer: Atheists are the ones that are the walking spiritually dead.
Amen.
"Tebowing" the right way with a prayer:
The Apostles' Creed 2011: (updated by yours truly and based on the studies of historians and theologians of the past 200 years- references available upon request)
Should I believe in a god whose existence cannot be proven
and said god if he/she/it exists resides in an unproven,
human-created, spirit state of bliss called heaven??
I believe there was a 1st century CE, Jewish, simple,
preacher-man who was conceived by a Jewish carpenter
named Joseph living in Nazareth and born of a young Jewish
girl named Mary. (Some say he was a mamzer.)
Jesus was summarily crucified for being a temple rabble-rouser by
the Roman troops in Jerusalem serving under Pontius Pilate,
He was buried in an unmarked grave and still lies
a-mouldering in the ground somewhere outside of
Jerusalem.
Said Jesus' story was embellished and "mythicized" by
many semi-fiction writers. A descent into Hell, a bodily resurrection
and ascension stories were promulgated to compete with the
Caesar myths. Said stories were so popular that they
grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity
and featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
called the eucharistic sacrifice of the non-atoning Jesus.
Amen
Reality, so much hot air. You're like the ever ready bunny.
Amen.
Unrelated, but a fact-check nonetheless, Mark Ingram won the Heisman as a Soph in '09. Tebow was the first, but not the only.
They won two BCS championships, not NCAA championships. That is, if you were talking about football. They did win two NCAA Championships in men's basketball around the same time.
I say good for Tebow. Here we have someone who calmly talks about his Christian faith, does numerous good works for charities and helping out those elss fortunate. What is his return? Being mocked and ridiculed both on and off the field. If this world was full of people with the heart and compassion of Tebow then it'd be a much better place.
The Bible really is accurate when it says this world loves what is wicked and those who do good will be mocked.
Alfonzo damn you, I told you to get your stupid A-ss over here and help me with the pancakes! My flock is starving!
Oh, and Tebow does good things AND he is completely delusional. Both of those things can apply concurrently.
Alfonzo, as far as being the word of god, the bible sure gets a lot of stuff wrong, and it says contradictory things too. Surely you are aware of that, aren't you?
No, J.W, he's just pointing out how stupid you are.
Sports are wicked. They have become an idol.
Amen.
How do any of you know what Tim Tebow is thinking?? Stupid.
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I agree. Good call.
God Bless Tim Tebow for living his faith. Tim will tell you, his relationship with his Lord is the number 1 thing in his life. For all of you doubters, you dont deserve scorn, you deserve pity, compassion and some tebowing (prayer). God loves you so much he sacrificed His Son for you. Im so thankful someone like Tim finally came along and has become a public inspiration. Thank you God for Tim Tebow.
......And then the atheist blew his brains out, enjoying sweet oblivion instead of listening to anymore of your crap.
Hah there we have it Chuckles the atheist blows his brains out while the Christian's brain remains intact. If only you had believed before it was too late your brain may not be in little pieces right now.
@JW
I'm fairly certain that if god and satan do exists then all those christians out there are minions of satan slowly driving the rest of the world mad with their ramblings. I feel like parts of my brain drip out of my ears whenever I read drivle like this.
Jesus is dead. He is very old and dead. Yup, just dust. Dead dead dead dead dead. Carry on.
@ Chucles, God loves you Chuckles, but eventually, you'll face him, and he'll remind you of the times you had a chance to understand who He is, and you laughed and ignored it (you even made fun of those that did believe in Him). On that day, you wont have any excuses, only regret. Think about it, you never know how long it is until that day is here.
Oh Rob
Threats about what will happen to me after death isn't exactly making me love your cause, you or anyone who agrees with you. Remember Rob, you know just as much as I do about what happens after death, to pin your hopes on following a single faith puts you in deeper doodoo than me, so enjoy hades! I'll see you there!
Rob Long, would ya care to meet me leprechaun? He is real and you can't prove he's not now can then? He rubs me in all the right places. If yer nice you might get some of my pancakes!
Recent post by Rob Long contains the fallacy known as Pascal's Wager. That is essentially, insincere belief, based on betting on the existence of a particular god.
Oh, just google it.
Chuckles you know that you are just falling through a sky of destruction and now Rob is trying to give you a parachute of hope. But I see why you aren't hearing the message now. Your brain is coming out of your ear.
JW
You can't threaten people with things they don't even believe exist. That is just dumb.
Are you trying to take away my rights Alien Orifice?
Sorry JW, you can if you want. But I am glad to see you agree with me on the point.
Chuckles hasn't disagreed with me yet. He must be seeing the light.
No, J.W, he's just simply pointing out how stupid you are.
Chuckles called me stupid? I must have missed that one.
Oh dear me Sid. He is so stupid he doesn't even know who is calling him stupid.
Athletes should be more concerned with praying for others and not their games.
Amen.
I fully agree. Tim is an inspiration in a depraved world. There are some outspoken people who overshadow the many of us who find a proclamation of faith a refreshing event today. Those who do not respect his right to express his religious beliefs do not appreciate the heritage upon which this nation was founded, the right to religious freedom. He is not imposing his beliefs on others but if others choose to join him, THEY are the winners.
So how come his prayers have no impact on anything?