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My Take: Reactions to Cain, Paterno point to a not-so-Christian nation
Penn State students rally around a cut-out of football coach Joe Paterno after he was fired.
November 12th, 2011
05:00 AM ET

My Take: Reactions to Cain, Paterno point to a not-so-Christian nation

Editor's note: Stephen Prothero, a Boston University religion scholar and author of "God is Not One: The Eight Rival Religions that Run the World," is a regular CNN Belief Blog contributor.

By Stephen Prothero, Special to CNN

In the never-ending debate over whether the United States is a Christian nation, recent events support the nay-sayers. I am referring to the troubles of Herman Cain and Joe Paterno.

How we respond to ethical conundrums often boils down to empathy. In the abortion debate, do you identify with the woman who wants an abortion or with the fetus? Concerning the federal deficit, do you identify with the wealthy person who might see his taxes rise or with the poor person who might see her unemployment benefits extended?

One purpose of the world's great religions is to widen our circle of empathy beyond ourselves and our families to others in our community, and in the wider world. Christianity, for example, has long taught that we should empathize with “the least of these,” and particularly with the poor and oppressed (see Luke 4:18).

The morality plays we are now witnessing—the sexual harassment allegations swirling around Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain and the sexual assault charges swirling around the Penn State football program headed by former coach Joe Paterno — provide an opportunity to assess just where our collective empathy lies.

When we look as a nation at the Herman Cain campaign, do our hearts go out to the wealthy businessman and White House contender or do they go out to the women who are accusing him of sexual improprieties? In pondering this case, and trying to determine where we stand, how do we approach the evidence? To whom do we give the benefit of the doubt? To the “least of these”? Or to the most powerful?

When we turn our gaze to Penn State, do our hearts go out to the boys, some as young as 10, who were allegedly sodomized or otherwise sexually assaulted by a former assistant coach under Paterno? Or do we empathize with Paterno, the closest State College, Pennsylvania, gets to a graven image?

I know there are many unanswered questions in both cases. So I am not commenting here on whether Cain is telling the truth or whether Paterno did all that he was obligated to do when he first heard allegations of a sexual assault in his locker room.

I am talking about where are hearts instinctively go in these situations.

When I turn on the television and see “family values” conservatives jumping to Cain’s defense within hours of the first charges surfacing, or Penn State students rioting over the decision of their university’s Board of Trustees to fire Paterno, I have to ask myself, “What has happened to this supposedly Christian nation"?

I know that in the United States defendants are considered innocent until proven guilty. But I am not talking about the law here. I am talking about where our hearts incline, and whether they incline in a Christian direction.

I do not know whether Jesus is a Penn State football fan. He may well be. But if he were here today, would he be laying flowers at the front door of Paterno’s house (as many students have done), or would he be seeking out the boys whose lives have allegedly been so irreparably damaged?

Would he be standing alongside Cain’s lawyer as he issues not-so-veiled threats against accusers who have not yet gone public with their stories, or would he be standing by their side?

In your heart of hearts, I think you know the answer.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Stephen Prothero.

- CNN Belief Blog contributor

Filed under: Christianity • Herman Cain • Pennsylvania • Politics • Sexuality

soundoff (2,118 Responses)
  1. amma maw

    Thank you for this commentary.I was raised Christian but have been a practicing Buddhist for many years. I do not value one above the other, I have simply found that the compassion that is the core of Buddhism has opened my heart and ironically helped me better to lead the 'Christian' lifestyle that I believe Jesus taught. The Dalai Lama often says "My religion is kindness". All religions have this at their core. We, and our leaders, have unfortunately chosen to ignore them – to the pain and detriment of us all.

    November 12, 2011 at 8:16 am |
    • Dennis

      Yeah... Buddhism could never give rise to something like the Kamikaze ....oh wait.

      November 12, 2011 at 8:25 am |
    • henrod

      As a former Christian, you can really say, with a straight face, that kindness is at the core of it? Or any religion? Buddhism isn't even a proper religion – it's a philosophy. Look at the judeo-christian bibles and do you see kindness? I see genocide, fratricide, punishment, pain, slavery... as much from the alleged god as the humans portrayed in it. How can we be expected to live in harmony with one another as a so-called Christian nation? I think the point is that we;re NOT supposed to. We're supposed to give in to the brainwashed masses who have an irrational fear of death and behave the way they want us to so that they will go to heaven and so that the rapture will occur and everyone except us heathens will go there, too. Small-minded, petty, fear-based, believing in fairy-stories – this is no way to go through life.

      November 12, 2011 at 8:26 am |
    • Jed

      Dennis, You should look into the differences between Shinto and Buddhism before pointing to kamikazis
      And which would you think is more dastardly–a flier aiming his airplane into a warship or someone pushing a button to release load of incendiary bombs over Dresden?

      November 12, 2011 at 9:43 am |
    • steven harnack

      @dennis, you would be thinking of Shinto, if you were capable of thinking.

      November 12, 2011 at 10:49 am |
    • Jeff Williams

      """Buddhism could never give rise to something like the Kamikaze ....oh wait."""

      You are thinking of Shintoism – not Buddhism.

      November 12, 2011 at 11:03 am |
    • what?

      to Dennis, Try looking up Shinto, it may help you understand why your wrong.

      November 12, 2011 at 12:17 pm |
  2. CH

    A perfect example of the ongoing state of hypocrisy that our "Christian" nation lives in.

    November 12, 2011 at 8:16 am |
  3. darntootin

    I take my faith seriously: I live my life around what Jesus asks of us from the Gospels. I am NOT, however, a literalist, which is a 20th century heresy! I don't consider the US a Xian nation as much because of the literalist Christians as I do the many other traditions and atheists.

    November 12, 2011 at 8:15 am |
  4. Dennis

    Touchdown Jesus says "Yes"

    November 12, 2011 at 8:13 am |
  5. Bob

    "I am talking about where are hearts instinctively go in these situations"

    What is just about as sad is that a "Boston University Scholar" (the author) apparently does not know the difference between the words "our" and "are" and that a major news organization (CNN) is too lazy to have a good editor look over stories before it post content to its web site.

    November 12, 2011 at 8:12 am |
    • steven harnack

      Ah, the never ending search for nits to pick. Must keep you very busy.

      November 12, 2011 at 10:53 am |
    • ben

      steven...it's not nit-picking since it's CNN's job to do this. I guess it's just nit-picking when a nurse tells a doctor his scalpel is dirty.

      November 12, 2011 at 12:16 pm |
    • BU Student

      Bob, I'm glad someone noticed this! As a Boston University student I was definitely appalled that there could be such an error in a CNN blog. And his error was not just a typo...it was a big grammatical mistake! You were the only person I saw who pointed it out.

      November 12, 2011 at 1:52 pm |
  6. Audrey

    I agree with the obvious statement that many (most?) conservative Christians behave as if they never read a word Jesus spoke, but..

    This assumes there is some ideal – the Christian nation – where people would have empathy. Empathy has nothing to do with faith in practice, aside from the fact that many of the Christians lack humility (another attribute of Christ) and want to believe they somehow have the last word on morals, ethics and compassion even when their actions show otherwise.

    The most empathetic people I know are humanists.

    November 12, 2011 at 8:09 am |
    • Lee

      "In the abortion debate, do you identify with the woman who wants an abortion or with the fetus?"
      It IS possible to have empathy for both...definatly the sole opinions of of Stephen Prothero.

      November 12, 2011 at 8:18 am |
  7. king_of_prussian

    Why is it not possible to empathize with the abuse victims AND Paterno? The author seems to have drawn a line in the heart that is way too simple. This points to me a critical failure (and legacy) of some kinds of Christianity and other religions – morality is black or white. Right or wrong. This one or that one. You side with God or you side with the Devil. The human heart and mind have tremendous capacity for empathy, which can surround two sides of a tragedy. It is a shame the author did not take the opportunity to grapple with this possibility, instead relying on a knee-jerk, overly simplistic, dogmatic approach to this moral conundrum. Opportunity presented.......and lost. Fail.

    November 12, 2011 at 8:07 am |
    • kathy

      perfectly stated

      November 12, 2011 at 10:07 am |
    • ben

      I agree. Jesus cleared this tendency of mankind to do this by saying love everyone. Doesn't mean you have to like everything but you do have to love everyone...even the ugly, especially the ugly.

      November 12, 2011 at 12:18 pm |
  8. us1776

    Newsflash: The "Invisible Being" does not exist.

    And America is no longer a Christian nation except in the mind of the small Christian right extremists.

    It was a nice run. Now say Thank You and Goodbye.

    .

    November 12, 2011 at 8:06 am |
    • Charles

      Say good bye to a once great nation.

      November 12, 2011 at 8:12 am |
    • Dennis

      To expect religion to suddenly become a defender of the weak instead of a tool to gather wealth, power and status is asking too much.

      November 12, 2011 at 8:21 am |
    • MichigIndian

      When you die and the lights don't go out like you thought they would, don't be afraid. It will be alright.

      November 12, 2011 at 8:22 am |
    • uk1611

      You're an idiot.

      November 12, 2011 at 8:22 am |
    • henrod

      MichigIndian – you're a walking advertisement for the argument that most religious people are religious because they irrationally fear death. If the best defense you can pose for your "faith" is that you can't wait to die and go to heaven, and that us non-believers have a big, dark, fiery surprise waiting for us when we die, somewhere along the line someone f-d you up pretty badly and warped your thinking. Go find a therapist – it's not too late.

      November 12, 2011 at 8:29 am |
    • ben

      and say hello to a world full of hell.

      November 12, 2011 at 12:19 pm |
  9. Patricksday

    I'am learning that Religion is simply a tool to control the masses, the people in "Leadership" dont believe in God or if "Christian" any of the teachings of Jesus. They throw it at the people to mislead them and they bite it hook line and sinker. The Biggest Group of Hate is found in organized religion and its "leadership". The Southern "Christians" and its off shoots seem to really have control of the People and their minds, and many Catholics are saying ENOUGH.

    November 12, 2011 at 8:05 am |
  10. h46av8r

    I think I am now dumber for having read this article. This guy couldn't logic his way out of a paper bag....

    November 12, 2011 at 8:03 am |
    • what?

      can't get much dumber than logicing your way out of anything.

      November 12, 2011 at 12:24 pm |
  11. rh

    LOL, don't you realize that being Christian means either a) you accept JC as your Savior and your sins are forgiven or b), you go to confession and do penance for your sins and you are forgiven.

    Either way, you have NO responsibility or accountability for your actions to the rest of the planet, only to God. As a basis for religion, that's disgusting. You can always be forgiven, so there is no motive for being "good" and moral. Atheists believe their works on Earth are it, so being good and moral is part of making their life worthwhile and not wasting their time on Earth.

    One of the reasons people are so upset about Sharia law is that they make believe that "letting God taking care of sinners" is the best way. Fact is somewhere in between is right. You kill a child rapist because you want to protect society, let God handle him after he's dead...

    November 12, 2011 at 8:01 am |
    • BigBen

      I say to you sir, well put! I wholeheartedly agree and could not have said it better.

      November 12, 2011 at 8:17 am |
    • Mic

      Jesus is not a "get out of jail free card"! That is the problem with Christianity in the USA is our skewed view of what it is. Yes, there is a motivation to do right. If a person just says they are sorry but their heart isn't repentant, God knows. Christianity involves humbling ones self, considering everyone else greater, to be a servant to all. To flippantly say "please forgive me" is not salvation or a relationship with God. He will say on that day, "I never knew you!"

      November 12, 2011 at 8:20 am |
    • Mic

      BTW, God is great enough to handle people while they are alive. Look up Ananias and Sapphira. We don't need to kill people to let God handle them because we are putting ourselves in the place of judgment.

      November 12, 2011 at 8:23 am |
  12. D A

    I appreciate what Stephen Prothero has to say about greater empathy being one of the goals of religious faith. However, I think he didn't go quite far enough. While people seem to instinctively try to feel better about themselves by pointing to others with worse behavior than their own, the truth, from a Christian perspective, is that we are all sinners and all very much in need of forgiveness and a new heart.

    November 12, 2011 at 7:56 am |
  13. theoldadam

    We haven't been a Christian nation for a long time. If we ever were one. We have been a nation of Christians. But those days recedeing fast.

    Even most of the Christians don't understand what it is to be a follower of Christ. They are too busy climbing the ladder of their own spirituality and their own do-gooder projects.

    .

    November 12, 2011 at 7:35 am |
    • Abinadi

      The only reason we have the ability to become a non-christian nation is because Christians are amazingly tolerant. Obviously Iran is not going to become a non-muslim country. We don't want to give up freedom of religion so the problem is that we have done a lousy job of missionary work. If we truly become non-christian, freedom of religion will go with it. Also, we need to protect the first amendment that congress will not prohibit the free exercise thereof. Otherwise, not even the atheists will have a voice. Protecting and promoting Christianity is in everyones interest.

      November 12, 2011 at 8:04 am |
    • Insight

      I would hope any Christian would try to empathize with EVERYONE. Jesus never said to love thy neighbor unless you diasgree with him/her. We can show empathy for those with differing thoughts, values, and situations – even if we ultimately decide not to support their side of an issue.

      November 12, 2011 at 8:11 am |
    • Frank Palacios

      In reading the scripture offered Luke 4:18 , The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, Luk 4:19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
      All men(humanity) would do well to understand the spiritual implications of not knowing and accepting God's unconditional love. so I add read John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. In closing, it is not really not a matter of religion but relationship, no person in and of themselves can extend unconditional love and acts of kindness without acknowledging and accepting God’s grace in their lives by faith and extending to others.

      November 12, 2011 at 8:35 am |
    • Abinadi

      I should have said Judeo-Christian. Christianity, after all, grew out of Judaism and took its core values from it.

      November 12, 2011 at 10:48 am |
  14. Colin

    Those who want to say the ÚSA is a Christian nation can readilly find support in history and in the fact that the various Christian faiths, when added together, nake up the largest religious group in the country.

    Those who do not want to think it is can likewise point to history, the First Amendment, the diversity of religions and the fastest growing "religious" group in the country – atheists and agnostics.

    If you do a comparison of the most religious countries in the World verses (i) standard of living; (ii) individual freedoms; (iii) credit rating of the government; and (iv) life expectancy; they all rank near the bottom.

    Iran, Bangladesh, Egypt, Sri Lanka, Nicuagura, Indonesia, Bangladesh, Congo, and Sierra Leone are all among the most religious, representing Islam, Hinduism, Seikhs, Christians and some Buddhists.

    The least religious countris are in Scandanavia, Western Europe and the former British Empire (Australia, New Zealand, Hong Kong) and are inevitably ranked amongst the highest in the above four categories.

    While I suspect it is as much a case of poor, poorly educated people being more susceptible to religion than it is a case of religion retarding societies, I also think it is pretty clear that religion does retard and stunt the intellectual and economic growth of a country.

    We are better off without it.

    November 12, 2011 at 7:33 am |
    • Colin

      " To cite from a Gallup poll:

      "Each of the most religious countries is relatively poor, with a per-capita GDP below $5,000. This reflects the strong relationship between a country's socioeconomic status and the religiosity of its residents. In the world's poorest countries - those with average per-capita incomes of $2,000 or lower - the median proportion who say religion is important in their daily lives is 95%. In contrast, the median for the richest countries - those with average per-capita incomes higher than $25,000 - is 47%."

      November 12, 2011 at 7:53 am |
  15. Passive Aggresive

    Is it just me or does Stephen Prothero look kind of creepy?

    On another note, re: this article. Who gives a fuk? Raping kids is a Christion tradition. What is not Christian about that? God bless and all that.

    Religion suks, Elvis is dead (like Jesus) and the Dolphins are favored against the skins!

    November 12, 2011 at 7:24 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      No offense here but you are not helping us Atheists to get our point across by using the tone you do with every post you make. Come back with some rational thought and points or expect the christians to battle you. We can all belittle their way of thinking but we do not have the right to belittle them as a whole. There are a few christians on here who are not completely brainwashed (JW for one). Please have some dignity and respect in your posts...what you portray here is disgusting and immature.

      November 12, 2011 at 8:09 am |
  16. Reality

    Prothero noted:

    "In the abortion debate, do you identify with the woman who wants an abortion or with the fetus? "

    The ID is with the growing baby aka fetus of the "mother and father" and how they got into this situation to begin with.

    WARNING!!! WARNING!!! WARNING!!!

    To all overse-xed h-o-mo-sapiens:

    : The failures of the widely used birth "control" methods i.e. the Pill ( 8.7% failure rate) and male con-dom (17.4% failure rate) have led to the large rate of abortions and S-TDs in the USA. Men and women must either recognize their responsibilities by using the Pill or co-ndoms properly and/or use safer methods in order to reduce the epidemics of abortion and S-TDs.- Failure rate statistics provided by the Gut-tmacher Inst-itute.

    Added information before making your next move:

    from the CDC-2006

    "Se-xually transmitted diseases (STDs) remain a major public health challenge in the United States. While substantial progress has been made in preventing, diagnosing, and treating certain S-TDs in recent years, CDC estimates that approximately 19 million new infections occur each year, almost half of them among young people ages 15 to 24.1 In addition to the physical and psy-ch-ological consequences of S-TDs, these diseases also exact a tremendous economic toll. Direct medical costs as-sociated with STDs in the United States are estimated at up to $14.7 billion annually in 2006 dollars."

    And from:

    http://pagingdrgupta.blogs.cnn.com/2011/02/20/yes-or-al-se-x-is-se-x-and-it-can-boost-cancer-risk/?npt=NP1

    "Yes, or-al se-x is se-x, and it can boost cancer risk-

    Here's a crucial message for teens (and all se-xually active "post-teeners": Or-al se-x carries many of the same risks as va-ginal se-x, including human papilloma virus, or HPV. And HPV may now be overtaking tobacco as the leading cause of or-al cancers in America in people under age 50.

    "Adolescents don’t think or-al se-x is something to worry about," said Bonnie Halpern-Felsher professor of pediatrics at the University of California, San Francisco. "They view it as a way to have intimacy without having 's-ex.'"

    November 12, 2011 at 7:04 am |
    • Matt

      Nutter alert

      November 12, 2011 at 8:24 am |
  17. Abinadi

    First world countries tend to be Christian and democratic – the more Christian the better. Why? Christianity is necessary for a democracy because Christianity teaches the necessary core values for a democracy to exist. Non-Christian nations tend to have a rough time establishing democracy, because they have no foundation of teaching self sacrifice and unselfish service and other moral values and a public servant in a democracy must not be motivated by greed. Atheists teach no values nor do they have guiding principles and so they undermine democracy. Christianity and democracy appear to be necessary for first world status. If the nation turns from Christianity, we will become a third world, third rate country. I see no basic differences between the people of the United States and people of other countries. Other people are smart and hard working. We are great and became great because of our faith in God. God is our power. Atheism has already been tried and failed. For nearly a hundred years Communist Russia and China have oppressed their people and made them miserable, taken away their freedom and dignity. Atheists are anti democracy and anti freedom.

    November 12, 2011 at 6:40 am |
    • joe blow

      hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!

      damn, that was a really good laugh!

      November 12, 2011 at 8:15 am |
    • PsiCop

      You do realize, of course, that there truly ARE democratic nations which don't have Christian majorities or much of a historical influence from Christianity? Israel, India & Turkey are three that leap to mind, but there others. Next time you opine about the superiority of your religion, try to do it with some facts at your disposal, rather than just making stuff up. OK?

      November 12, 2011 at 8:19 am |
    • Toms River

      Most irritating: "Atheists teach no values nor do they have guiding principles and so they undermine democracy" I never find it comforting when my Christian friends pose the question, 'if you don't believe in God, how do you know right from wrong?' as though their religion is the only thing preventing them from murdering people in the streets. I've never needed a bible to tell me what is fundamentally right or wrong. Credit where credit is due though, nobody got it right more than Jesus in terms of how we should be treating one another, and breaking out the tar and feathers for Paterno based on what we know for a fact right now? Not very Christian.

      November 12, 2011 at 8:32 am |
    • AtheistSteve

      It's like listening to a broken record play. Everything in your post is based on irrational fears and falsehood. Your concept of Atheism is uninformed and fraught with unfounded correlations.

      " Christianity is necessary for a democracy because Christianity teaches the necessary core values for a democracy to exist."

      Yet democracy was created by the Greeks prior to Christianity. Your assertion is groundless.

      "Atheists teach no values nor do they have guiding principles and so they undermine democracy."

      Atheism has no bearing whatsoever on values or principles. Atheists merely deny Gods existence. Rationality and Humanism support clearly superior value and principles over any religious dogma.

      "Atheism has already been tried and failed. For nearly a hundred years Communist Russia and China have oppressed their people and made them miserable, taken away their freedom and dignity. Atheists are anti democracy and anti freedom."

      Again a false correlation. While atheistic in the sense of not sanctioning state sponsored religion, these countries were dominated by Fascist and Marxist political principles, not Secular Humanist ones like current affluent mostly atheistic societies like Sweden for example.

      November 12, 2011 at 8:45 am |
    • Abinadi

      When I said democracy, I really meant American democracy which, of course, is not pure democracy. Representative public servants need to be motivated by service to others, which I think is a Christian idea, taught by Christ and not by profit. I don't agree that atheists have values or guiding principles. Are they written anywhere? I would like to see them. I thought Sweden was Lutheran. If you argue it is not now, it was before when it was forming into a nation.

      November 12, 2011 at 10:45 am |
    • steven harnack

      Sweden existed before Martin Luther. You take it from there.

      November 12, 2011 at 11:03 am |
    • Abinadi

      Steve, the CIA fact book lists Sweden as 87% Lutheran. Have you looked at their national flag? It is a cross.

      November 12, 2011 at 7:33 pm |
  18. Louis Wright

    We've allowed our supposed "leaders" to take God out of government, out of our judicial system and out of our schools. Is it such a surprise that we have a moral crisis in our country? Hitler proclaimed himself to be a Christian, but his choices proved otherwise. Unfortunately, the United States has not been a Christian nation in many, many years. We've turned to worshipping other "gods"( that are not gods at all) and taken up a new "morality" (which is the old immirality). We take down the 10 Commandments all over our nation and wonder what happened?

    November 12, 2011 at 6:18 am |
    • SynHolliday

      Louis, can we put up any scripture? I vote Numbers 31:17-18:

      "Kill every male among the children, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."

      Or are some scriptures a no-no?

      November 12, 2011 at 8:18 am |
    • Hmmm

      I was of the understanding that there is an intentional separation of church and state in this country. Religion was never supposed to interfere with the government, according to Thomas Jefferson himself, who advocated "a wall of separation" between church and state. The Founding Fathers themselves agreed that religion should not be part of the political sphere. If it has never been part of the political sphere, there must be another reason for the rampant immorality you see today.

      November 12, 2011 at 8:18 am |
    • henrod

      Louis – are you prepared to back up your weak assertions with facts? Correlation (I'm far from convinced that there even is a correlation here) does not imply causation. You need to do actual research to determine if "taking god out of" all those things you listed has actually had an effect on anything. The only effect I can see isn't an actionable one – it's a philosophical one, and here it is. It's more American. America is not a Christian nation. Accept it and get over it already. The whole purpose of America was to escape an oppressive Anglican church, and the founding fathers were largely deists, not Christians. Go read some of Jefferson's opinions on religion. It may be eye-opening for you. Anyone who really, truly wants us to be a "Christian nation", however that gets defined, should look long and hard at the other theocracies in the world. Are those people free and happy? I think you know the answer to that.

      November 12, 2011 at 8:20 am |
  19. KS

    Someone's trying to establish a one world government and perhaps under the conditions mentioned in Revelations. And that'll be here in less than twenty-five years. But I think less than fifteen as these cultures are eroding with lightning speeds. Many parts of the US are unrecognisable from what I remember them being, and that was only ten years ago due to the tremendous social upheaval and possibly even the fact that ten million immigrants have arrived here since - and that's legal immigration alone - which has so far gone both unrestricted and undebated as even ILLEGAL immigration can't be solved because it offends minorities, is costly to corporations, etc.

    November 12, 2011 at 5:44 am |
    • PsiCop

      Re: "Someone's trying to establish a one world government and perhaps under the conditions mentioned in Revelations."

      You must be aware that militant Christianists like Hal Lindsey have been saying this for decades now? And you must equally be aware that absolutely none of their predictions have ever come true?

      What was that? You didn't know it? Well, now you do. Christian conspiratorialists have been spewing this and similar other whines for decades. It's old and stale. Time to move on to some new material.

      Moreover, you're being inconsistent by complaining about this. If God truly wrote Revelation (it's not plural BTW), and if it really is a statement of what will happen in the future, then there is nothing anyone can do to stop it. Its events are going to happen, no matter how any of us might try to thwart them. It can't be any other way. IF, that is, it really is divine prophecy.

      November 12, 2011 at 8:27 am |
    • SynHolliday

      ...or a one world religion. Just as evil.

      November 12, 2011 at 8:55 am |
  20. KS

    The answer is this is no longer a Christian nation. That was our cultural heritage here in the US. Europe on the other hand, had a nation-state cultural heritage attributed to due to nationalism. Both of these are nowadays eroding rather quickly with globalism and multiculturalism promoting the destruction of any culture present in the US and Europe respectively. Most major European cities for instance now have near 50% or more of their younger population foreign-born and with their non-existent birthrates and the very high birthrates of immigrant groups, it's going to be 1:1 foreign-born or descendants of immigrants to Europeans rather quickly given people's apathy to everything.

    November 12, 2011 at 5:43 am |
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