November 14th, 2011
09:41 PM ET

Bob Jones III latest Christian leader to doubt Obama's Christianity

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

(CNN) - Bob Jones III, chancellor of the fundamentalist South Carolina university that bears his family’s name, has become the latest conservative Christian leader to publicly cast doubt on President Barack Obama’s stated Christian commitment.

"I've no reason to think he's a Christian,” Jones told National Journal in an interview published Saturday. “Anyone can say he's a Christian.

“Some people will say whatever they think the politically helpful thing would be,” Jones said. “I say, 'Where is the evidence that he is a Christian?' "

Jones is an influential conservative leader in South Carolina, home to one of the nation’s key Republican primaries next year. Bob Jones University, where Jones served as president from 1971 to 2005, is a popular stop for GOP candidates courting Christian votes.

This year, evangelical leader Franklin Graham questioned Obama’s Christian commitment, telling ABC News that for Obama, “going to church means he’s a Christian,” while for Graham, “the definition of a Christian is whether we have given our life to Christ.”

Last year, Graham insisted that Obama was born a Muslim, though the president hasn’t said that.

“I think the president's problem is that he was born a Muslim; his father was a Muslim,” Graham told CNN’s John King in August 2010. “The seed of Islam is passed through the father like the seed of Judaism is passed through the mother.

"Now, it's obvious that the president has renounced the prophet Mohammed, and he has renounced Islam, and he has accepted Jesus Christ,” Graham, son of famed evangelist Billy Graham, continued. “That is what he says he has done. I cannot say that he hasn't. So I just have to believe that the president is what he has said."

Polls show that a minority of Americans can correctly identify Obama’s Christian faith. Obama writes about accepting Jesus in his book “Dreams from My Father,” and he regularly prays with a handful of Christian pastors.

In the interview with National Journal, Jones said that he hasn’t endorsed Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, as he did in the 2008 cycle, partly because he believes that a Mormon candidate won’t face as many obstacles among Christian voters in next year’s primaries.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Barack Obama • Christianity

soundoff (953 Responses)
  1. clarke

    Oh Bo b go away.

    November 15, 2011 at 12:51 pm |
  2. Portland tony

    Who is this Bob Jones III who set the standards for Christianity anyway? Is there a "Book of Bob" somewhere hidden in the Bible?

    November 15, 2011 at 12:34 pm |
    • john Mize

      what ever happened to freedom of religion.......I agree with what you say to much influenc in one earthly persons hands aint real good remember Jim Jones

      November 15, 2011 at 1:38 pm |
  3. Reality


    Romney believes that the horn-blowing angel Moroni appeared to the con artist Joe Smith. Not good for someone who wants to be president of any group !!!

    Obama "mouths" that he is Christian i.e. believes in gay Gabriel and war-mongering Michael the Archangel and Satan. BO's support of choice/abortion however vitiates has Christianity as he is the leader of the Immoral Majority who are now the largest voting block in the country. Immoral Majority you ask??

    The 78 million voting "mothers and fathers" of aborted growing babies !!! (2012 -1973 Rowe vs. Wade = 39. 39 x 2 million = 78 million. Abortion rate in the USA as per the CDC is one million/yr.

    And the presidential popular vote in 2008? 69,456,897 for pro-abortion/choice BO, 59,934,814 for "pro-life" JM. The population of the Immoral Majority in 2008? ~ 70 million !!!!!!

    What BO can do to at least lift part of the Immoral Majority leader label?

    He says abortions should be "safe, legal and rare" but says nothing about the basic tenet of proper human conduct i.e. Thou Shalt Not Kill. And where is BO's sense of indignation that abortions are not rare and that these acts of horror demean the Golden Rule considering that he says he is a Christian. And where is his sense of indignation that women who use the Pill do not use it properly resulting in an failure rate of 8.7% as per the Gu-ttmacher Inst-itute statistics. Using these and other Gu-ttmacher Insti-tute data, this failure of women to use the Pill properly results in ~1,000,000 unplanned pregnancies every year.

    And the annual abortion rate in the USA is?? ~1,000,000 as per the CDC.

    And do males use co-ndoms properly? No, as said failure rate for this birth "control" method is 17.4%!! Again using Gu-ttmacher data, said failure rate results in another ~1,000,000 unplanned pregnancies every year

    Bottom line: BO is still not aware of the basics of birth control and still remains the leader of the Immoral Majority and will remain so until he becomes a true Christian and one who respects and protects human life in all its forms and who at least emphasizes the proper use of birth control methods!!!

    November 15, 2011 at 12:29 pm |
    • Floyd Miller

      Read the Gospels, Book of Acts, and James. You will find YOU are not a Christian. You are simply regurgitating things you have been told.

      November 15, 2011 at 2:37 pm |
    • Fookin' Prawn

      Bah. Shoo.

      November 15, 2011 at 3:00 pm |
    • Reality

      Only for the those interested in a religious update:
      1. origin: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20E1EFE35540C7A8CDDAA0894DA404482

      “New Torah For Modern Minds

      Abraham, the Jewish patriarch, probably never existed. Nor did Moses. The entire Exodus story as recounted in the Bible probably never occurred. The same is true of the tumbling of the walls of Jericho. And David, far from being the fearless king who built Jerusalem into a mighty capital, was more likely a provincial leader whose reputation was later magnified to provide a rallying point for a fledgling nation.

      Such startling propositions – the product of findings by archaeologists digging in Israel and its environs over the last 25 years – have gained wide acceptance among non-Orthodox rabbis. But there has been no attempt to disseminate these ideas or to discuss them with the laity – until now.

      The United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism, which represents the 1.5 million Conservative Jews in the United States, has just issued a new Torah and commentary, the first for Conservatives in more than 60 years. Called "Etz Hayim" ("Tree of Life" in Hebrew), it offers an interpretation that incorporates the latest findings from archaeology, philology, anthropology and the study of ancient cultures. To the editors who worked on the book, it represents one of the boldest efforts ever to introduce into the religious mainstream a view of the Bible as a human rather than divine docu-ment. “

      2. Jesus was an illiterate Jewish peasant/carpenter/simple preacher man who suffered from hallucinations (or “mythicizing” from P, M, M, L and J) and who has been characterized anywhere from the Messiah from Nazareth to a mythical character from mythical Nazareth to a ma-mzer from Nazareth (Professor Bruce Chilton, in his book Rabbi Jesus). An-alyses of Jesus’ life by many contemporary NT scholars (e.g. Professors Ludemann, Crossan, Borg and Fredriksen, ) via the NT and related doc-uments have concluded that only about 30% of Jesus' sayings and ways noted in the NT were authentic. The rest being embellishments (e.g. miracles)/hallucinations made/had by the NT authors to impress various Christian, Jewish and Pagan sects.

      The 30% of the NT that is "authentic Jesus" like everything in life was borrowed/plagiarized and/or improved from those who came before. In Jesus' case, it was the ways and sayings of the Babylonians, Greeks, Persians, Egyptians, Hitt-ites, Canaanites, OT, John the Baptizer and possibly the ways and sayings of traveling Greek Cynics.


      For added "pizzazz", Catholic theologians divided god the singularity into three persons and invented atonement as an added guilt trip for the "pew people" to go along with this trinity of overseers. By doing so, they made god the padre into god the "filicider".

      Current RCC problems:

      Pedophiliac priests, an all-male, mostly white hierarchy, atonement theology and original sin!!!!

      2 b., Luther, Calvin, Joe Smith, Henry VIII, Wesley, Roger Williams, the Great “Babs” et al, founders of Christian-based religions or combination religions also suffered from the belief in/hallucinations of "pretty wingie thingie" visits and "prophecies" for profits analogous to the myths of Catholicism (resurrections, apparitions, ascensions and immacu-late co-nceptions).

      Current problems:
      Adulterous preachers, pedophiliac clerics, "propheteering/ profiteering" evangelicals and atonement theology,

      3. Mohammed was an illiterate, womanizing, lust and greed-driven, warmongering, hallucinating Arab, who also had embellishing/hallucinating/plagiarizing scribal biographers who not only added "angels" and flying chariots to the koran but also a militaristic agenda to support the plundering and looting of the lands of non-believers.

      This agenda continues as shown by the ma-ssacre in Mumbai, the as-sas-sinations of Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh, the conduct of the seven Muslim doctors in the UK, the 9/11 terrorists, the 24/7 Sunni suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the 24/7 Shiite suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the Islamic bombers of the trains in the UK and Spain, the Bali crazies, the Kenya crazies, the Pakistani “koranics”, the Palestine suicide bombers/rocketeers, the Lebanese nutcases, the Taliban nut jobs, the Ft. Hood follower of the koran, and the Filipino “koranics”.

      And who funds this muck and stench of terror? The warmongering, Islamic, Shiite terror and torture theocracy of Iran aka the Third Axis of Evil and also the Sunni "Wannabees" of Saudi Arabia.

      Current crises:

      The Sunni-Shiite blood feud and the warmongering, womanizing (11 wives), hallucinating founder.

      5. Hinduism (from an online Hindu site) – "Hinduism cannot be described as an organized religion. It is not founded by any individual. Hinduism is God centered and therefore one can call Hinduism as founded by God, because the answer to the question ‘Who is behind the eternal principles and who makes them work?’ will have to be ‘Cosmic power, Divine power, God’."

      The caste/laborer system, reincarnation and cow worship/reverence are problems when saying a fair and rational God founded Hinduism."

      Current problems:

      The caste system, reincarnation and cow worship/reverence.

      6. Buddhism- "Buddhism began in India about 500 years before the birth of Christ. The people living at that time had become disillusioned with certain beliefs of Hinduism including the caste system, which had grown extremely complex. The number of outcasts (those who did not belong to any particular caste) was continuing to grow."

      "However, in Buddhism, like so many other religions, fanciful stories arose concerning events in the life of the founder, Siddhartha Gautama (fifth century B.C.):"

      Archaeological discoveries have proved, beyond a doubt, his historical character, but apart from the legends we know very little about the circu-mstances of his life. e.g. Buddha by one legend was supposedly talking when he came out of his mother's womb.

      Bottom line: There are many good ways of living but be aware of the hallucinations, embellishments, lies, and myths surrounding the founders and foundations of said rules of life.

      Then, apply the Five F rule: "First Find the Flaws, then Fix the Foundations". And finally there will be religious peace and religious awareness in the world!!!!!

      November 15, 2011 at 4:14 pm |
  4. Linda

    For all of you....well "haters" seems harsh...but those of you that seem to want to come down on Dr. Jones be mindful that just like any other person in this country he has the right to air his opinion.....Also I have included below some actual quotes from our presidents own hand.....from his writings....anyone is free to read these....He has aired his opinion and so has Dr. Jones.....You see that is the great thing about this country......we have freedom of speech.....


    In Obama’s book THE AUDACITY Of HOPE

    * He wrote “I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”

    In Obama’s book, DREAMS OF MY FATHER..


    * “I ceased to advertise my mother’s race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites”

    * “That hate hadn’t gone away,” he wrote, blaming “white people — some cruel, some ignorant, sometimes a single face, sometimes just a faceless image of a system claiming power over our lives.”However, while campaigning in Kansas, Obama frequently emphasized that his mother was white, and that he had grown up in a predominantly white world.

    * (Obama) vowed that he would “never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn’t speak to my own. It was into my father’s image, the black man, son of Africa, that I’d packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.”

    Sounds kind of hateful and like there is an agenda.....right? If you said know...you know you are just lying to yourself.

    November 15, 2011 at 12:28 pm |
    • Tallulah13

      You neglected to include context. Context allows us to see why the words were spoken, not just that they were. A lot a christian types like to use quotes out of context to vilify people. It's a rather dishonest practice, but as I've learned from this blog, some christians have an estranged relationship with honesty.

      November 15, 2011 at 12:54 pm |
    • Matt

      Linda, all off the quotes you've posted are fabricated, doctored, or misrepresented in some way. If you actually care about the truth, you should check out the FactCheck article on "Obama’s ‘Dreams of My Father’".

      November 15, 2011 at 1:39 pm |
    • TheTruthFairy

      You had me until Dr. Jones.

      November 15, 2011 at 2:32 pm |
    • Fookin' Prawn

      Nice try. So how are you related to Dr Jones? You'd almost have to be, to agree with him.

      November 15, 2011 at 3:01 pm |
  5. Rosslaw

    I have rarely seen with Bob Jones, III a clearer example of a Satanic worshiper. Just sayin' Of course, Jones "focused grouped" the Satanic worshiper part, just like Perry did, and found that its doesn't fly well with the snake-juggling evangelicals so he poses as a Christian. It really explains a lot.

    November 15, 2011 at 12:20 pm |
  6. Floyd Miller

    Frankly, I see no evidence that Bob Jones III is a Christian, but there is plenty to show that he is a neo-Pharisee. Luke 3:11, Acts 2:44-45: 2 Samuel 12:1-5, Matthew 19:24, Matthew 5:1-11, Acts 4:32-35, Luke 7, Mark 10:17-23, Romans 13:6-7, 1 John 3:17, Leviticus 25:35, Isaiah 10: 1-2, Amos 8:4-8, James 5:1-5, James 3:14-18, James 2:1-9, James 1:9-11, Proverbs 22:16, 22-23, Isaiah 3 13-15.
    The onlt people whom Jesus hated were those who were like...Bob Jones III.

    November 15, 2011 at 12:06 pm |
  7. mouse

    Wow......I'm not a christian but I thought only your god could look into the soul of man and determine where his heart lay. These people that like to say so and so is not a christian, well that's just not right.

    November 15, 2011 at 12:06 pm |
    • W247

      Mouse –

      I am a Christian and you are dead on correct! Only the Lord knows your heart, however your committment to Christ is evidenced by the fruits of the spirits that are being brought forth in your life.

      November 15, 2011 at 12:44 pm |
  8. Colin

    Whether God and Allah are the one god or two different gods is a meaningless argument. If both such beings are totally ficti.tious – as most thinking people now accept – does it make any difference whether we say it is one non-existent being with different characteristics driven by the respective underlying cultures, or two non-existent beings?

    Islam and Christianity both have the same roots, but give their respective sky-fairies different characteristics and demands of human beings – one requires a Hajj, praying toward Mecca etc. and the other (manifestation) requires adoration of Jesus Christ, the keeping of the Sabbath etc.

    So, are we talking one god with two competing personalities or two different gods? Or put another way, how different do the traits that two different culture give to the same original fict.itious being have to become before they amount to a “new god”. Where does one man-made god stop and the other start?

    In the (obvious) absence of objectively verifiable criteria to decide, it is a completely meaningless argument, as silly as arguing whether Zeus is the same god as Jupiter.

    November 15, 2011 at 11:57 am |
  9. Rich

    Bob do you know if there was a jesus he would have been black not blond with blue eyes?

    November 15, 2011 at 11:22 am |
    • JohnQuest

      I wouldn't be surprised, Black People are as confused by and or about religion as any other people (maybe more so).

      November 15, 2011 at 11:26 am |
    • psd

      Jesus was a jew. Certainly, he wouldn't look like a white anglo.

      November 15, 2011 at 11:46 am |
    • Linda

      Well.....since he was Jewish he would have been olive skinned with brown eyes and brown hair so......

      November 15, 2011 at 12:08 pm |
    • RightTurnClyde

      You are showing your own prejudice when you talk against whites. You have no idea how Jesus looked but what does it matter? He was incarnate and not born. So nobody has any idea and ALL of the pictures of him are imaginary. Most of the pictures about that time are false. Nobody knows what Pilate looked like or Achilles or Hector or Ulysses. They do have accurate artwork for Roman emperors, a few Pharaohs, the Colosseum. Nobody knows what the Ark of the Covenant looked like and they cannot find it. Nobody actually knows what John Henry looked like, Paul Bunyan, Pecos Bill, Judge Roy Bean, the Clantons and McLaurys .. and millions of others who were not rich and famous.

      November 15, 2011 at 12:11 pm |
    • Bob

      RightTurnClyde, but your fairy tale says specifically that he was "born of woman." So is the bible wrong, or just inconsistent on that point, as with so many others?

      Or are you just spouting, with no basis even in your own storybook?

      November 15, 2011 at 1:01 pm |
    • Fookin' Prawn

      Clyde, have you taken one right turn too many?

      November 15, 2011 at 3:03 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      That happens because he's circling the bowl and heading for the septic tank.

      November 15, 2011 at 8:42 pm |
  10. Jack Pickett

    why dose it matter if he a christen or not? we were founded on the princible of sepperation of church and state so shouldnt Obama be alowed to worship who he pleases. rather it be the Christen God, Budah, Athiesm, Alah, or any other religous figure i may be forgetting. so i say leave alone and let him have his rights as an american.

    November 15, 2011 at 11:22 am |
    • JohnQuest

      Jack Pickett, it seems to me the reason why it matters is, that most believers think that if you do not believe as they do you have no morals, principles, ethics, or worthy values.

      November 15, 2011 at 11:24 am |
    • RightTurnClyde

      The entire Obama persona is nothing but a snow job and now he is running for re-election. He needs to be the "messiah" again so he has to be Christian. But we all know he isn't Christian. We know he was raised Muslim but is a communist. He admits it; all of his associates are communists. He told you he would redistribute your income (it's no secret – pure Marx). He will not salute the flag of the United States and he and his wife make jokes about it while the national anthem is played. His preacher Rev. Wright never said "Jesus" or anything Christian. He says "Holy Koran" but not "Holy Bible." He practiced Muslim in Indonesia. He hangs out with Bill Ayers and Bernadette Dohrn (CPUSA) He's buddies with Farrakhan. .. so there is enough evidence that he is not a Christian. (the godless always want evidence except when it is bad for them)

      November 15, 2011 at 11:54 am |
    • RightTurnClyde

      The entire Obama persona is nothing but a snow job and now he is running for re-election. He needs to be the "messiah" again so he has to be Christian. But we all know he isn't Christian. We know he was raised Muslim but is a communist. He admits it; all of his a,s,s,ociates are communists. He told you he would redistribute your income (it's no secret – pure Marx). He will not salute the flag of the United States and he and his wife make jokes about it while the national anthem is played. His preacher Rev. Wright never said "Jesus" or anything Christian. He says "Holy Koran" but not "Holy Bible." He practiced Muslim in Indonesia. He hangs out with Bill Ayers and Bernadette Dohrn (CPUSA) He's buddies with Farrakhan. .. so there is enough evidence that he is not a Christian. (the godless always want evidence except when it is bad for them)

      November 15, 2011 at 11:57 am |
    • shut_up

      your rambling proves your not an American as you have butchered the English language! the only word you didnt screw up was obama? go back to your sand dune you idiot!

      November 15, 2011 at 11:58 am |
    • evolvedDNA

      Righ tturn Clyde... suddenly you need evidence that he believes in the same dude you need no evidence for the existence of...you see the irony in this don't you..perhaps not.

      November 15, 2011 at 12:05 pm |
    • HotAirAce


      It would appear that you are just another lying hypocritical believer: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/anthem.asp.

      November 15, 2011 at 2:49 pm |
  11. JohnQuest

    Really?, I thought your were a Christian (ethical monotheist), but if you believe that Islam and Judaism have "Different" Gods than Christians that would make you a Polytheist, Which are your?

    November 15, 2011 at 11:18 am |
  12. Raphael

    Is this the same almost insane Bob Jones that wanted to give machine guns out at Bob Jones University , to be used in case some protesters showed up there a few years ago?

    November 15, 2011 at 11:03 am |
    • William Demuth

      He wouldn't dare!

      One of his Jesus loving associates would blow his brains out.

      November 15, 2011 at 4:14 pm |
  13. bama0918

    I'm not even sure why B. Jones III is being quoted, or why anyone outside of his faux university even cares. This is, after all, the guy who had to be dragged kicking and screaming to the point of allowing interracial dating on the school's campus, and who advised G.W. Bush "You owe the liberals nothing. They despise you because they despise your Christ..." This person has absolutely nothing credible to say to me, as a practicing Christian, about who is and who is not a believer.

    November 15, 2011 at 10:27 am |
    • BRC

      Clowns aren't particularly credible either, but they're still fun to laugh at.

      November 15, 2011 at 10:31 am |
  14. Really?

    Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated, Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.” NO SELF RESPECTING GOD FEARING CHRISTIAN WOULD EVER DO OR SAY THAT! CHRISTIANITY FORBIDS ANY FORM OF ACKNOWLEDGING ANOTHER GOD IN PRAYER! The people that say they believe he is Christian only state that because they like his liberal views that allows them to feel uplifted in the evil sinful lives.

    November 15, 2011 at 10:23 am |
    • BRC

      You realize it's the same "God" right? the only difference between Islam and Christianity is their respective opinions on Mohammed and Jesus.

      And that is exactly the kind of flashy yet insubstantial thing that a politician would say when trying to establish a good relationship with a group of people, if say there were trying to help negotiate and end to killings and war that had lasted 1000 years, even a Christian one.

      Maybe Obama is a Christian, he's just an open minded one who is not inherently bigotted against anyone with a different unprovable belief. Is that a problem (and I don't cair about the fact that he's liberal, I am so so on many of his policies and in general think or political system is in need of drastic overhaul, but I do ahve to give him that he is a highly capable public speaker).

      November 15, 2011 at 10:29 am |
    • Really?

      You realize that you are sadly mistaken. Their god calls to kill the infidel, destroy "little satan" Israel and "big satan" america. That's you buddy. The REAL GOD came to save the world and it's inhabitants not destroy them. anyone can say our god is the same, but if that god's message is totally different then it is a LIE!

      November 15, 2011 at 10:32 am |
    • observer

      Muslims prefer the term Allah

      November 15, 2011 at 10:34 am |
    • Really?

      you're logic is nonsense, that's why iran is preparing this very moment to build an nuclear bomb to destroy us. Get real!

      November 15, 2011 at 10:35 am |
    • Really?

      observer... they can call him what they want but the real name is satan...he is the father of murder

      November 15, 2011 at 10:36 am |
    • J.W

      Actually BRC is right. The story of Islam has the same roots as Christianity or Judaism. That is why they call God the Abrahamic God because it is the God of Abraham.

      November 15, 2011 at 10:36 am |
    • hippypoet

      ok first, B boy is only half right, Abraham's god is the god for jews, muslims, and christians...

      really is just an idiot and thats clear.

      observer – yes they do, but allah means god, it literally translates into the english word god. so god is an accecptible term i think. but i am not a believer so who am i to say right. no worries.

      November 15, 2011 at 10:38 am |
    • observer

      JW-For your salvation you need to believe in Jesus Christ.Period.

      November 15, 2011 at 10:40 am |
    • BRC

      Islam came about 1400 years ago, more then a millenia before america was even a thought, so I kind of doubt that "Death to Americans!" is one of their founding principles. Their origin and literature is steeped in death and violence, very true; but that's why I believe all religions are bad. Do a comparitive study, put the Koran next to the Tora and see which one calls for more killings (never done it myself but I'm willing to bet it's a photo finish). I have to admit that if you leave off the bat-turd crazy book of revalations, there is much less death in the New Testament, fortunately the Christians of the Dark Ages decided that books were not a necessity to precipitate violence, and went wantonly crusading and torturing anyway. Again, I believe all religion is bad; my main issue is that you are vehemently against something, and you're using that feeling to base an argument that has no real rational evidence or proof.

      November 15, 2011 at 10:42 am |
    • Really?

      You cal call yourself anything, I can call myself hippeypoet, but I'm not. The God of the OT is not the God of Islam!

      November 15, 2011 at 10:43 am |
    • Really?

      oops god of Islam.

      November 15, 2011 at 10:44 am |
    • J.W

      What does that have to do with the conversation at hand observer? We were talking about that the God of Christianity and the God of Islam is the same God.

      November 15, 2011 at 10:44 am |
    • Fallacy Spotting 101

      Root post by Really? is the No True Scotsman fallacy .


      November 15, 2011 at 10:47 am |
    • observer

      JW-Just making sure you knew the truth about salvation.

      November 15, 2011 at 10:49 am |
    • J.W

      Oh ok well yeah I am a Christian

      November 15, 2011 at 10:51 am |
    • BRC

      See JW, that's what happens if you try to be reasonable during a debate, even your fellow believers can't tell what team you're on.

      November 15, 2011 at 10:54 am |
    • hippypoet

      @observer – what truth to salvation... there is no truth found in hopes and dreams... you have your hopes and dreams but you call them truth – why? can you not tell how believing in something that can only be proven right or wrong after you die is complete lunacy??? salvation is found nowhere... just be happy, and live a good life – stop thinking like a child... i tell my kids if they behave they will get a snack – your snack is an afterlife – yet you have no way of knowing this exists for sure.. so its a hope, the idea of the thing called heaven is a dream.. and you base your life on these things. just sad and kinda frightening.

      November 15, 2011 at 10:55 am |
    • Chuckles


      To be fair I've been saying for months now that JW isn't actually a christian. He insists he is, but I have my doubts..... he's way to reasonable and pragmatic.

      November 15, 2011 at 10:59 am |
    • TheTruthFairy


      "but if that god's message is totally different then it is a LIE!"

      Which one is a lie, and how can you tell?

      November 15, 2011 at 11:13 am |
    • Sam

      Hey, learn your religions. It's not another God. The three major monotheistic faiths (Christianity, Judaism and Islam) have the SAME God.

      November 15, 2011 at 11:14 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Same God, different prophets.
      Abrahamics should all become B'Hai, then there'd be no arguments.

      November 15, 2011 at 11:29 am |
    • J.W

      Maybe I am just not the stereotypical Christian, but I think I justify most of what I believe. I guess whether my thoughts are acceptable to others is another story. The reality is though that there are millions of Christians who think the same as me, but they are just now starting to get publicity over the evangelicals and the hellfire preachers.

      November 15, 2011 at 11:33 am |
    • Primewonk

      Really wrote, " Their god calls to kill the infidel, destroy "little satan" Israel and "big satan" america."

      Your god says you are to kill all those a different god. You folks just choose to ignore the parts of your bible that even you find too horrendous to believe. Your Muslim cousins just obey your god.

      November 15, 2011 at 12:11 pm |
  15. J.W

    He said there is no evidence that Obama is Christian. What is the evidence that anybody is Christian? Or anything else for that matter? Does everyone need to start carrying around a certificate saying what religious belief they profess to?

    November 15, 2011 at 10:21 am |
    • BRC

      Even then, the certificate could be forged, you never know. Turns out we need that mind reading technology from the other day more then we thought. Otherwise how will we know what people believe?

      Of course the alternative is not caring, let everyone have their faith, and just enforce proper actions as agreed upon by society, but somehow that doesn't seem to be enough for some people.

      November 15, 2011 at 10:23 am |
    • Really?

      "You will know them by their fruits!" Pretty obvious if you see it for what it is and not for what you want it to be.

      November 15, 2011 at 10:25 am |
    • hippypoet

      did you know that the early christians would make a half fish arch in the sand and the person they were talking to would either finish it off by completing the fish or have no idea what you were doing – that is the most early form of christians needed to id one another... start doing that and see how intelligent your follow believers are....Bet you won't find one that will have a friggin clue why your playing in the sand.

      November 15, 2011 at 10:26 am |
    • Really?

      hippeypoet...Salvation is not dependent on sand art. What's your point?

      November 15, 2011 at 10:30 am |
    • hippypoet

      @really i am terrible sorry if you having trouble following the way this works but here, i shall help you break it down.. one person posts an idea, then other people post on there idea – wow right – ok so lets recap what happened...

      J.W said – "He said there is no evidence that Obama is Christian. What is the evidence that anybody is Christian? Or anything else for that matter? Does everyone need to start carrying around a certificate saying what religious belief they profess to?"

      and then i said something to do with sand art.... and how it was an early way to tell who was and who wasn't a christian.

      i understand if this is too much for you to take in, just breath and remember... its just a moment in time, move aside and let it pass.

      November 15, 2011 at 10:34 am |
    • Really?

      hippey.... like i said his actions prove what he is. He supports murder of children, that is not christian, sand or no sand

      November 15, 2011 at 10:39 am |
    • Really?

      hippey.... no little boy, I know what the old testament teaches about God and he is nothing like the muslim God. I could call myself hippeypoet, does that make me you. NO that God!

      November 15, 2011 at 10:41 am |
    • merridee

      These days the evidence appears thinner as more so-called Christians resemble the inquisitors, crusaders and witch-hunters of the middle ages and renaissance.

      November 15, 2011 at 10:44 am |
    • hippypoet

      lol, you have gone off the deep end there REALLY.... its ok, i understand where your coming from ... a place of fear and loathing for those who know more then yourself. Your god is the same god as every muslim, and jew... and thats right, you've guessed – Obama... yay for you. Your beliefs have fostered the mass murder millions and if you CHOOSE not to see that part of history but instead focus on a very small span of time where a country was wronged by another, thats your simple minded choice to do so... i am glad you don't know things, someone of your stupidity may become a danger to peolpe if you knew true history and how screwed up your beliefs REALLY are. LOL moron!

      November 15, 2011 at 10:47 am |
    • Really?

      hippey.... coming from someone who smokes grass cause he can't deal with real life, i don't take offense to you, i feel sorry for you.

      November 15, 2011 at 10:51 am |
    • nononsense

      Precisely. Pledges are completely counterproductive in that they provide a means for insincere people to get it over with, rather than have to live the principles. And, gee, Mr. Bob Jones, are you going to try and tell me that there aren't "Christians" who belie their faith (funny how close the spelling of belie is to the word believe)? I actually happen to be related to two who are affiliated with your university who lie through their teeth on a regular basis, as if that needed to be said. And finally, the POTUS is supposed to be someone who can fairly represent the whole country without skewing favors toward members of any one group. As much as you despise the idea of your tax dollars being used to promote something you disagree with, imagine that other people feel the same way about you. The whole concept of a theocracy is so far from what our country needs and was founded on that it stuns me that the Republicans don't see that every single one of their leading candidates would doom everything that makes the USA actually work. Where is Gary Johnson when you need him?

      November 15, 2011 at 10:53 am |
    • John Richardson

      Your fruits kinda suck, "Really?"

      November 15, 2011 at 11:16 am |
  16. got_it

    Interesting to know the seed of Judaism is passed through the mother.

    November 15, 2011 at 10:18 am |
    • Rick

      That must make the jewish women feel very powerful

      November 15, 2011 at 10:29 am |
    • Joe from CT, not Lieberman

      That's because according to Jewish tradition, a person is born Jewish if he has a Jewish mother.

      Also, unless a Muslim can attest that he has witnessed President Obama has stated the Shadaha you cannot say he is a Muslim because he has not made the public demonstration of his faith.

      November 15, 2011 at 10:49 am |
  17. Really?

    Obama is a muslim, not a Christian and anyone who thinks otherwise has their head buried in the sand.

    November 15, 2011 at 10:05 am |
    • BRC

      Prove it.

      November 15, 2011 at 10:08 am |
    • Really?

      Don't have to he already has! Wake up, listen to his speaches, see who he defends and who he don't. Wipe the sand from your eyes.

      November 15, 2011 at 10:12 am |
    • J.W

      Give one quotation that he has said that is evidence of him being Muslim.

      November 15, 2011 at 10:18 am |
    • BRC

      I'll admit that I am not the most politically active person on the planet, but I am in the military, so when the President speaks we tend to listen. I've never heard him say anything that would suggest that he is a Muslim (not that I would care one way or another). Do you have specific examples, or examples of his policies that you thin kexemplify his secret belief?

      And no, I don't think the mosque in New York is a sufficient example. Building a mosque is no more a support of terrorism then building a church is support for fundemenlist christian cults. I personnaly believe that it is in poor taste, but welcome to the 1st Amendment. Also, he didn't personnally make that decision, nor could he have stopped it. Any better examples?

      November 15, 2011 at 10:18 am |
    • Joe from CT, not Lieberman

      Why? Because he will not blindly support Israel? Because he wants Palestinians (about 50% Christian, I might add) to have their own state, or else full equality with Israelis? After all, Israel captured the West Bank and Gaza Strip 46 years ago. Isn't it about time that they recognized everyone born in those lands after their conquest to be Israeli citizens? How would you like it if you lived anyplace west of the Mississippi River, or Florida, and was not acknowledged as a US citizen because those territories weren't part of the United States territorial claim after the Revolutionary war? Well, Really, that is what it is like to be a Palestinian born after 1967. Israel will not acknowledge you as a citizen. Many people born in the West Bank carry Jordanian passports that identify them as Palestinians, not Jordanians. It is the only way they can travel internationally!

      November 15, 2011 at 10:19 am |
    • Really?

      Example above!

      November 15, 2011 at 10:26 am |
    • BRC

      Refutation below it.

      November 15, 2011 at 10:33 am |
    • Answer


      You're a typical lunatic. When asked for proof you just keep on tacking on another rant. It is quite common knowledge coming from your kind Really. All you want to do is have people accept your word as truth. When you speak of any topic you want to be seen as in the right, which you aren't! With no credibility in providing hard core empirical evidence you just want others to accept on faith that what you say is correct. Such a loser.

      November 15, 2011 at 3:31 pm |
  18. hippypoet

    again, his religion doesn't matter unless it dictates his decisions. GET OVER IT PEOPLE... that only folks that care of those who are delusional anyway.

    November 15, 2011 at 9:57 am |
    • Really?

      I would say that verbally praising and supporting radical islam who flattened the twin towers killing innocent americans would fit into the "dictating decision" category along with allowing them to build a shrine to their evil accomplishment at the site of heinous slaughter of americans. You're one of the ones with your head in the sand. Get off the weed and wake up to reality, it's fogging your ability to think clearly.

      November 15, 2011 at 10:11 am |
    • hippypoet

      mr reality, i think its time for a name change, for i believe you have lost touch it. You just said a bunch of stuff that was Bush's fault and then Obama is just trying to make everything he can either smooth of get past it and get us to move on.

      November 15, 2011 at 10:18 am |
    • hippypoet

      and he praised people, not because they are part of a religion that has been the blame for many things... and it was people that took the towers down, not a religion. You sir are a moron. If i argued like you i would bring up the cursades, or anything really from christian history...the majority of it is very...well unchristian! But hey, why look at oneself when blaming others – afterall, that is the christian way...to blame others and not yourself!

      November 15, 2011 at 10:22 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      @Hippy: Really sounds like a republican christard without an ounce of credibility to back them self up.

      @Really: Obama is not a Muslim and even if he was it has nothing to do with his ability to run the country. He is not the total blame for the country's issues...look at your beloved Bush who started the war, caused most of the debt. Obama is busy picking up pieces from that delusional freak. Time for you to stop drinking that holy water and pull your head out of the book of fables and face reality yourself.

      November 15, 2011 at 10:34 am |
  19. chief

    bob jones is one step away from coolaid..... why dont they get on newt about becoming a catholic.... bob jones university subscribes to the old montra that catholics are hellbound and idols worshippers.....

    November 15, 2011 at 9:46 am |
    • chief

      btw i am Christian, not the bob jones chicken eating, women must wear dresses, men must not have hair over their ears, anti pop music, and men and women cant date alone club................ it makes me sick when the right wing cators to these clowns....

      November 15, 2011 at 9:48 am |
  20. Mark

    Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son writes:

    Yup. "God loves you. If you don't believe in Him, he'll burn you."

    Gotta love that line of thinking. To what end would a supreme creator make a world full of people, allow them free will, and then threaten them with eternal damnation when they choose freely? Why does such a being require fear? Worship? Obedience? What purpose does this creation of His serve? Is it just His personal X-box 360?

    Heb 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

    Sounds like the Pipers son didn't care what direction he took.

    November 15, 2011 at 9:40 am |
    • John Richardson

      Great job of totally missing the point, Mark!

      November 15, 2011 at 9:42 am |
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