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November 14th, 2011
09:41 PM ET

Bob Jones III latest Christian leader to doubt Obama's Christianity

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

(CNN) - Bob Jones III, chancellor of the fundamentalist South Carolina university that bears his family’s name, has become the latest conservative Christian leader to publicly cast doubt on President Barack Obama’s stated Christian commitment.

"I've no reason to think he's a Christian,” Jones told National Journal in an interview published Saturday. “Anyone can say he's a Christian.

“Some people will say whatever they think the politically helpful thing would be,” Jones said. “I say, 'Where is the evidence that he is a Christian?' "

Jones is an influential conservative leader in South Carolina, home to one of the nation’s key Republican primaries next year. Bob Jones University, where Jones served as president from 1971 to 2005, is a popular stop for GOP candidates courting Christian votes.

This year, evangelical leader Franklin Graham questioned Obama’s Christian commitment, telling ABC News that for Obama, “going to church means he’s a Christian,” while for Graham, “the definition of a Christian is whether we have given our life to Christ.”

Last year, Graham insisted that Obama was born a Muslim, though the president hasn’t said that.

“I think the president's problem is that he was born a Muslim; his father was a Muslim,” Graham told CNN’s John King in August 2010. “The seed of Islam is passed through the father like the seed of Judaism is passed through the mother.

"Now, it's obvious that the president has renounced the prophet Mohammed, and he has renounced Islam, and he has accepted Jesus Christ,” Graham, son of famed evangelist Billy Graham, continued. “That is what he says he has done. I cannot say that he hasn't. So I just have to believe that the president is what he has said."

Polls show that a minority of Americans can correctly identify Obama’s Christian faith. Obama writes about accepting Jesus in his book “Dreams from My Father,” and he regularly prays with a handful of Christian pastors.

In the interview with National Journal, Jones said that he hasn’t endorsed Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, as he did in the 2008 cycle, partly because he believes that a Mormon candidate won’t face as many obstacles among Christian voters in next year’s primaries.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Barack Obama • Christianity

soundoff (953 Responses)
  1. Answer

    A religious background of who contributed to it is IRRELEVANT. That is why I'm denying it. It is a person who was just religious. The person wanted to further understanding. Religion has no place in establishing authority or gains to success of providing the hard empirical facts that help bring resolution to understanding something that was defined.

    November 15, 2011 at 6:25 pm |
    • Answer

      Here Fred.. I'll help enlighten your little corner of the world.

      Supposed that your bible did include a passage that mentions that there was a liveable planet out there in the vast universe, besides this earth. How will you religious nut cakes approach this tact to providing the hard empirical facts to support the case?
      Answer is:
      You would use the methods of science to do it. It's true that a SUPPOSITION of the IDEA CAME FROM THE BIBLE. That is just a claim. You religious ranters want nothing but to be given credit to for simply mentioning an idea. But comes up short with the facts.

      Science does the job by people who ask questions of how and by which tools can we use! And by what methods can validate what data we can collect. Your religion does nothing but pray. Pray that your conclusion is right. And when someone does give supporting evidence you want to claim the success and ent-i-tle it into your little collection to validate religion's non-contributing efforts role.

      November 15, 2011 at 7:02 pm |
  2. fred

    Ummmmmmm
    You were right about the gas but no much on the Bible. The truth is there and those that seek actually find it, time and time again. Take for example the discussion over Isaiah 40:22 where God sees the earth as a circle. Some claim it means the earth was flat. The word circle to the Hebrew is more of a 3d version. In a wedding dance the circle relates to an all encompassing life not 360 degrees on a floor.

    November 15, 2011 at 6:00 pm |
    • Ummmmm

      "The word circle to the Hebrew is more of a 3d version. In a wedding dance the circle relates to an all encompassing life not 360 degrees on a floor."

      Yes, you have to tell yourself those lies in order to believe what you are reading. The original intent of the word was circle flat because lets face it back then while they were writing they didn't understand 3 D. That is what is so dangerous about fundamentalists like you constantly twisting what was originally written to justify the lies you tell yourself....oh....sorry..so you can have faith.

      November 15, 2011 at 6:04 pm |
    • Answer

      Fred do you see your own truth or rather the misconceptions that are inherent in your brand of truth?

      Let me take you into your own mind on your thought process. "Take for example the discussion over Isaiah 40:22 where God sees the earth as a circle."

      Alright your lovely verse in Isaiah I couldn't give a rats backside to. Herein you're not going to believe that what you are saying is that you actually think someone is speaking to god. I don't care about the topic. You rationally accept that your book recorded this conversation in your book. And you are reciting as a basis to reinforce your view that the book holds this account as true. You really do like to mix reality of a fake convo with god to a subject of talking about circles.

      In your view this is the legitimacy for argument that the earth is round came from the bible. As now our modern view teaches us. We understand that any person can contribute to the society. I am denying it has a religious background. But who gave us the ultimate proof of the world being round? That is science. The people who strived to further our own understanding by utilizing our own senses! And when our own senses are inadequate WE DEVELOPED TOOLS! Like the telescope. And science contributed the facts. Not religion.

      November 15, 2011 at 6:21 pm |
    • Bob

      fred, you suggested that you could provide some "truth". Please, then, respond truthfully to the issues that I have to keep bringing up. No more of the usual Christian dodging this time please:

      1. Why did your god ever include (or allow to be included) in the bible his commands for sacrificing animals?
      2. How can any deity be considered "loving", that considers eternal torture fair punishment for minor transgressions such as reasonable doubt in a short mortal life? Any modern human court would consider such punishment barbaric.

      Thanks. I'm still waiting for a real response from you on any of these issues.

      November 15, 2011 at 6:34 pm |
    • fred

      Bob,
      I do not know the mind of God. I do know from his own words that animal sacrifice was brought about due to sin. The first occasion was in the garden and it was God that sacrificed an animal and made cloths for Adam to cover his sin. God is Holy and cannot be in the presence of sin so a covering was made. Jesus was the same in that on the cross blood was shed and all our sins are covered (God paid the price for our sin). The chosen peoples of the Old Testament we given ceremony and rituals like shedding of blood for sin by a perfect lamb which they walked though physically. This was a constant reminder to them that sin has consequence, a price must be paid and sin atoned. There was no written word they had to walk through and experience this cleansing.
      Christians after Christ’s death have the Holy Spirit and the Word of God to guide them and keep them from sin. Christ was the atonement for sin no more blood sacrifice needed.

      November 15, 2011 at 8:06 pm |
    • fred

      Bob
      You were concerned about:” eternal torture fair punishment for minor transgressions”.
      That is not in the Bible. What we know from the Bible is that Hell is set for satan and his demons. This is more than fair because this kind of demonic force has not and never will stop their evil. Evil has its place and is separated from good. This is actually what they want.
      All the rest receive fair and just treatment from Christ. Take a close look at the person of Christ and we see nothing but love. Christ will have perfect justice as Christ knows everything about us. Go back to the two criminals on the cross and note how simple to see which one goes heaven and which one does not. With your last breath spiting and mocking Jesus hanging on a cross speaks volumes and is not a minor transgression.
      The Bible says to whom much is given much is expected. Woe to him who causes a little one to stumble it would be better that he was never born. Here we see something different happens to people depending on what happened while alive. The other criminal on the cross said a few kind words to Jesus and we are told he is in paradise with Jesus. I think that is more than fair.

      November 15, 2011 at 8:19 pm |
    • Bob

      fred, so your answer to question 1 is that you don't know. The obvious real answer is that your god would be a cruel and barbaric ass-hole if he actually existed, and torturing animals appeals to him, as does the resultant smell, just like your bible says. Glad we got that cleared up. Now let's have you face question 2 about your apparent ass-hole of a god, which you have conveniently ignored thus far.

      2. How can any deity be considered "loving", that considers eternal torture fair punishment for minor transgressions such as reasonable doubt in a short mortal life? Any modern human court would consider such punishment barbaric.

      Thanks. I'm still waiting for a real response from you on that one.

      November 15, 2011 at 8:19 pm |
    • Bob

      fred, that's quite the dodge you just tried to make. So you deny that the bible promises hell to non-believers and doubters, and for other "transgressions? Will you stand by that statement? 'cause I think you know where this is going to go, and it's not good for you.

      November 15, 2011 at 8:27 pm |
    • fred

      Answer
      Science and the Bible are different things even though both are a gift from God. We need science and it serves us well but we are not to serve science or scientists we are to serve God. The Bible will always address those areas science cannot access. We need both perspectives for a balanced mind and life.
      Isaiah was a prophet and expressed a vision in that verse. Moses talked with God. Christians talk with God when they pray. Prayer is but communication with God. When God answers was that God or a thought running through our mind. Either way it has impact.

      November 15, 2011 at 8:30 pm |
    • Bob

      fred, in Matthew, Jesus condemns entire cities to eternal punishment. Are you trying to deny that is the case? That is just one example of many eternal life torture sentences in your bible book of horrors.

      November 15, 2011 at 8:32 pm |
    • fred

      Bob
      If you have a verse I would have a better idea what was going on. There was one town that completly rejected Jesus which was made up of religeous types that were terrible to their own people not to mention Jesus. Later on Jesus gave a bunch of Woes to them for their various acts. Jesus also gave them opportunity to turn around. One town is mentioned in acts that realized what they had done and were forgiven. So, there was pleanty of time.
      Jesus will be fair at judgement.

      November 15, 2011 at 9:59 pm |
    • fred

      Bob
      Jesus is very consistent and not everyone is going to endless torment. There is a clear difference. Some who simply want to deny God but were very good people are different than satan. Simply continue to consider the difference between the two next to Jesus at the cross. That is a big statement.

      November 15, 2011 at 10:04 pm |
    • Ummmmm

      "There is a clear difference. Some who simply want to deny God but were very good people are different than satan. "

      Your god will not see it that way, if they don't believe in your christ and outright deny your god, then your god does put them into hell. That is a tyrant, not a god.

      November 16, 2011 at 10:53 am |
    • Bob

      fred, you're starting to show a glimmer of understanding. Now you admit that some people will suffer eternal torture according to your religion.

      So, now I'm going to repeat the question. Try now to give a truthful answer, now that we have established the above. The question again :

      How can any deity be considered "loving", that considers eternal torture fair punishment for minor transgressions such as reasonable doubt in a short mortal life? Any modern human court would consider such punishment barbaric.

      Try this time to answer honestly. You've already made the first steps in clearing your head of your god delusion, in what you have acknowledged. It will be a difficult journey for you, but you are showing hopeful signs.

      November 16, 2011 at 1:08 pm |
    • fred

      Bob,

      What happens to a person that rejects/denys God then dies? Ok, we need to make a bunch of assumptions here to get a reasonable answer. To keep it simple let’s take Atheist Steve who seems to be real nice guy, rejects God, has the cognitive ability to make that decision, that decision was not clouded by; abuse, upbringing, external deception, socioeconomic or other cultural anomalies, yadda yadda yadda (I think that actually means something more that etc). The Bible does not say anything about this case other than we are not to judge because we do not have the capacity for making a judgment that reflects perfect justice. Only Jesus can do this.
      That said Steve has some big marks against him. Steve may have intentionally or unintentionally turned a new insecure Christian away from God by promoting Dawkins bible for atheists. Jesus addressed this as a serious event ‘woe to those that would cause a little one to stumble’. Let us speculate on Steve who could simply end up having an eternity without God which is what Steve has expressed through his free will. That is considered torment by the Bible as eternity without the hope of having a loving joyous relationship with their creator. Steve may well be joined by those that he turned away from God. When they see what they miss out on for eternity there could well be some gnashing of the teeth here.
      Remember time is not what we know today when we die. Eternity has some unique features. Take a beginning for instance and God saying “for I knew you before I knit your bones together in the womb”. Realities and physical properties of mater may not be as we imagine. We are told we will be surprised. Jesus went further to say we will be surprised who is there and who is not there!
      Did you notice Jesus said nothing about the criminal that spit and mocked him right up to his last? The Divine nature of the Bible is right there on that spot and with what is and is not said. Jesus did mention that the criminal who; was aware of his shortcomings or spiritual position relative to Christ and simply asked Christ to remember him received an encouraging word. That redeeming statement “today you will be with me in paradise” was for not only for him but for anyone that would have such revelation prior to death. That is Divine and cannot be expressed any better with any greater import.
      Can you conceive of God (as shown to us in Jesus) that would give an unjust sentence? Can you conceive of God who from the beginning of time has made a way for his children suddenly issue an unjust sentence? If there is a God would he not remove the blinders from the soul of a good man breathing his last? Look no further than the cross and the criminals all around Christ.

      November 16, 2011 at 2:52 pm |
    • Bob

      fred, come on. Enough dodging and blathering. Answer the question. It's very direct, and you can give a brief answer, if you have the courage:

      How can any deity be considered "loving", that considers eternal torture fair punishment for minor transgressions such as reasonable doubt in a short mortal life?

      November 16, 2011 at 2:58 pm |
    • ThinkForYourself

      @fred:
      "God saying “for I knew you before I knit your bones together in the womb”. "
      So, god knew before he even created atheist steve that he would be forever tortured. He created a being knowing that, after less than a blink of an eye, it would suffer for eternity. This is just to you? This is sadistic.

      "Can you conceive of God who from the beginning of time has made a way for his children suddenly issue an unjust sentence?"
      Yup – that's easy. Just read the bible and see above.

      November 16, 2011 at 2:58 pm |
    • fred

      ThinkforYourself
      Ah, I see the problem you read my short post with the same eyes and heart that you dig through the Bible with. You will only find what you are looking for. Try looking again and this time remember who God is not who you have made God out to be for some reason.
      Hint, I did not say Steve was going anywhere that he did not spend his whole life making provision for. Hint, even if Steve is using the wrong road map (Dawkings pathways to the first cause) God knows his heart. As I said we will be surprised who is there and who is not. Good News is there is a AAA map, some call it the Bible you can take with you on your journey

      November 16, 2011 at 3:23 pm |
  3. The Real Kay

    What what what? A Christian played the "holier than thou" card against another Christian?

    No way.

    November 15, 2011 at 5:22 pm |
    • AGuest9

      My first thought. Casting the first stone seems to be missed frequently.

      November 15, 2011 at 6:18 pm |
    • The Real Kay

      Jones' hypocrisy really stand out given Mark 9:38-40..

      “Teacher,” said John, “we saw someone driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us.” “Do not stop him,” Jesus said. “For no one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, for whoever is not against us is for us. Truly I tell you, anyone who gives you a cup of water in my name because you belong to the Messiah will certainly not lose their reward.

      November 15, 2011 at 6:37 pm |
  4. tamago sensei

    The president has, at times, tried to help the poor, aid the imprisoned, feed the hungry, and make peace in times of war. He publicly professes faith. What more do people want? And if it were all a show, what does it matter if he were a snake-worshiping priest of Zuul and Gozer so long as he didn't shove it down our throats?

    November 15, 2011 at 5:22 pm |
  5. Jack_of_Arts

    I will glad when the day will come when an professed and acting Muslim does run for and wins the Presidency of this country. Then we will hopefully be over this utter nonsense. Especially if this person does an even (at least) mediocre job at running the USA.

    November 15, 2011 at 5:07 pm |
    • Jack_of_Arts

      Heck, I would even be open to an Agnostic or Atheist to take the office and see he/she can do just as well a job.

      November 15, 2011 at 5:08 pm |
  6. Reality

    STOP AND READ VERY CAREFULLY !!!

    Romney believes that the horn-blowing angel Moroni appeared to the con artist Joe Smith. Not good for someone who wants to be president of any group !!!

    Obama "mouths" that he is Christian i.e. believes in gay Gabriel and war-mongering Michael the Archangel and Satan. BO's support of choice/abortion however vitiates has Christianity as he is the leader of the Immoral Majority who are now the largest voting block in the country. Immoral Majority you ask??

    The 78 million voting "mothers and fathers" of aborted growing babies !!! (2012 -1973 Rowe vs. Wade = 39. 39 x 2 million = 78 million. Abortion rate in the USA as per the CDC is one million/yr.

    And the presidential popular vote in 2008? 69,456,897 for pro-abortion/choice BO, 59,934,814 for "pro-life" JM. The population of the Immoral Majority in 2008? ~ 70 million !!!!!!

    What BO can do to at least lift part of the Immoral Majority leader label?

    He says abortions should be "safe, legal and rare" but says nothing about the basic tenet of proper human conduct i.e. Thou Shalt Not Kill. And where is BO's sense of indignation that abortions are not rare and that these acts of horror demean the Golden Rule considering that he says he is a Christian. And where is his sense of indignation that women who use the Pill do not use it properly resulting in an failure rate of 8.7% as per the Gu-ttmacher Inst-itute statistics. Using these and other Gu-ttmacher Insti-tute data, this failure of women to use the Pill properly results in ~1,000,000 unplanned pregnancies every year.

    And the annual abortion rate in the USA is?? ~1,000,000 as per the CDC.

    And do males use co-ndoms properly? No, as said failure rate for this birth "control" method is 17.4%!! Again using Gu-ttmacher data, said failure rate results in another ~1,000,000 unplanned pregnancies every year

    Bottom line: BO is still not aware of the basics of birth control and still remains the leader of the Immoral Majority and will remain so until he becomes a true Christian and one who respects and protects human life in all its forms and who at least emphasizes the proper use of birth control methods!!!
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    November 15, 2011 at 4:15 pm |
    • The Real Kay

      Thanks be to all those women who abort all those unwanted fetuses!

      And "SHAME" on those who insist that women should be forced to bring even more unwanted offspring into the world.

      November 15, 2011 at 5:24 pm |
    • sam dog

      Abortion now, abortion forever. Look at the falling violent street crime rate, even in the face of nearly doubling the population since Roe vs. Wade was made law. All i can see is less little old ladies being knocked on the head for their social security money by fatherless unwanted street thugs, and that is a good enough argument for me for abortion on a widespread scale.

      November 15, 2011 at 5:56 pm |
    • The Real Kay

      The same ignorant crowd that wants to force women to bear unwanted babies also tend to be on the side of forcing terminally ill people to suffer lingering and horrible deaths.

      It's a LIE that these people respect life. They only repect the lives they want to respect, making them hypocrites, not moral agents.

      November 15, 2011 at 6:19 pm |
    • Reality

      Read very carefully!!!!

      o The numbers, the calculations and two "bottom liners":

      "Facts on Co-ntraceptive Use

      http://www.gu-ttmacher.org/pubs/fb_contr_use.html

      January 2008

      WHO NEEDS CONTRACEPTIVES?

      • 62 million U.S. women (and men?) are in their childbearing years (15–44).[1]
      • 43 million women (and men) of reproductive age, or 7 in 10, are se-xually active and do not want to become pregnant, but could become pregnant if they or their partners fail to use a contraceptive method.[2]
      • The typical U.S. woman (man?) wants only 2 children. To achieve this goal, she (he?) must use contraceptives for roughly 3 decades.[3]

      WHO USES CONTRACEPTIVES?
      • Virtually all women (98%) aged 15–44 who have ever had inte-rcourse have used at least one contraceptive method.[2](and men?)
      • Overall, 62% of the 62 million women aged 15–44 are currently using one.[2] (and men)
      • 31% of the 62 million women (and men?) do not need a method because they are infertile; are pregnant, postpartum or trying to become pregnant; have never had inter-course; or are not s-exually active.[2]
      • Thus, only 7% of women aged 15–44 are at risk of unwanted pregnancy but are not using contraceptives.[2] (and men?)
      • Among the 42 million fertile, s-exually active women who do not want to become pregnant, 89% are practicing contraception.[2] (and men?)

      WHICH METHODS DO WOMEN (men?) USE?
      • 64% of reproductive-age women who practice contraception use reversible methods, such as oral contraceptives or condoms. The remaining women rely on female or male sterilization.[2]

      FIRST-YEAR CONTRACEPTIVE FAILURE RATES
      Percentage of women (men?) experiencing an unplanned pregnancy (a few examples)
      Method Typical
      Pill (combined) 8.7
      Tubal sterilization 0.7
      Male condom 17.4
      Vas-ectomy 0.2
      Periodic abstinence 25.3
      Calendar 9.0
      Ovulation Method 3.0
      Sympto-thermal 2.0
      Post-ovulation 1.0
      No method 85.0"
      (Abstinence) 0
      (Mas-turbation) 0

      More facts about co-ntraceptives from
      guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_contr_use.html

      "CON-TRACEPTIVE METHOD CHOICE
      Con-traceptive method use among U.S. women who practice con-traception, 2002
      Method No. of users (in 000s) % of users

      Pill 11,661 30.6
      Male condom 6,841 18.0 "

      i.e.
      The pill fails to protect women 8.7% during the first year of use (from the same reference previously shown).
      i.e.
      0.087 (failure rate)
      x 62 million (# child bearing women)
      x 0.62 ( % of these women using contraception )
      x 0.306 ( % of these using the pill) =
      1,020,000 unplanned pregnancies during the first year of pill use.

      For male condoms (failure rate of 17.4 and 18% use level):

      1,200,000 unplanned pregnancies during the first year of male condom use.

      The Guttmacher Insti-tute (same reference) notes also that the perfect use of the pill should result in a 0.3% failure rate
      (35,000 unplanned pregnancies) and for the male condom, a 2% failure rate (138,000 unplanned pregnancies).

      o Bottom Line #1: The failures of the widely used birth "control" methods i.e. the pill and male condom have led to the large rate of abortions ( one million/yr) and S-TDs (19 million/yr) in the USA. Men and women must either recognize their responsibilities by using the pill or condoms properly and/or use other methods in order to reduce the epidemics of abortion and S-TDs.

      Bottom line #2-
      Currently, a perfect barrier system does not exist. Time to develop one! In the meantime, mono-ma-sturbation or mutual ma-sturbation are highly recommended for hete-rose-xuals who need a contraceptive. Abstinence is another best-solution but obviously the se-x drive typically vitiates this option although being biological would it not be able to develop a drug to temporarily eliminate said drive?

      November 16, 2011 at 12:18 am |
  7. hippypoet

    oh good god yall.... war, what is it good for? absolutely nothing huh!

    November 15, 2011 at 4:14 pm |
    • hippypoet

      my bad, wrong article... lol

      November 15, 2011 at 4:15 pm |
  8. Lee

    I tend to take people at their word, so I believe the president when he says he is a Christian, just the same as when the last president said he was a Christian. I see no reason to believe one and not the other when they are both professing Christians, however I don't see why it would matter if they were not. They pledge to uphold the consti.tution, not the bible. And there is no law stating that one must believe in god X before you can hold office. As a matter of fact there is a specific amendment AGAINST such a religious test. Why is anyone listening to this Bob Jones character again?

    November 15, 2011 at 4:12 pm |
    • Really?

      Obama is using, "i'm a Christian" to win votes so it is relevant. He support abortion and gay rights that is not christian.

      November 15, 2011 at 4:22 pm |
    • Really?

      Mr. Jones has a right to address Obama's lies. If he don't like it he should stop telling then and using the term "Christian" to get votes.

      November 15, 2011 at 4:23 pm |
    • myweightinwords

      @Really, I know a lot of Christians who would disagree with you. They are Christian and support gay rights and legal abortion.

      November 15, 2011 at 4:27 pm |
    • The Real Kay

      Using the writings of the Bible as an excuse for bigotry is pathetic, Really. Really!

      November 15, 2011 at 6:15 pm |
    • Lee

      Really – there are many Christians who support both gay marriage and abortion. Let me guess, only those who subscribe to your strict interpretation of bible are "true Christians." Please look up the "no true Scotsman" fallacy. Based on these on other posts, I'd say you are the poster boy for it.

      But lets look at what the bible says about abortion. Exodus 21:22 says: “If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman’s husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.”

      If the punishment for killing a person is death and the punishment for killing a fetus is a fine, then the two are not equal. But if you insist on saying God's word is wrong, I guess thats your business.

      November 15, 2011 at 6:16 pm |
    • The Real Kay

      Lee, fallacies of reasoning are not likely to be Really's strong suit. You might as well be speaking in tongues.

      November 15, 2011 at 6:25 pm |
  9. Sal Governale

    It is pretty sad that we live in a country where it is a good thing to believe in a magical man in the sky.

    November 15, 2011 at 4:07 pm |
    • Really?

      Not as sad as the shape Obama has this country in.

      November 15, 2011 at 4:26 pm |
    • The Thing Is

      @Really? - All y'alls sure must not be saying the correct prayers and incantations - it's almost like your "God" doesn't exist.

      November 15, 2011 at 4:31 pm |
    • Answer

      Really

      Your version is to place blame on Obama. Congrats to your limited spiel and attacks.

      November 15, 2011 at 4:47 pm |
    • AGuest9

      Wow, Really?, where you born in 2008, or just comatose since 2000?

      November 15, 2011 at 6:20 pm |
    • AGuest9

      s/where/were

      November 15, 2011 at 6:21 pm |
    • The Real Kay

      Is Really really saying that all the corruption, greed, dishonesty, malice, bigotry, poverty, indifference, covetousness, etc, that has brought this nation to its knees is Obama's fault?

      Are there any people on the Almost-Always-Wrong-Right who are able to see beyond their own dogma and vitriol to the facts of the situation we're in? Any who aren't so ignorant and narrow-minded as to say the kind of vacuous things that have been coming out of Really? If so, I do hope that they step forward.

      November 15, 2011 at 6:46 pm |
  10. Primewonk

    Article VI Section 3 of the consti tu tion. Buff said

    November 15, 2011 at 3:27 pm |
  11. HotAirAce

    This article, and several others on this blog, contain numerous declarations that various persons are not true christians. Can anyone provide an example of 3, or even just 1, "true christians?"

    November 15, 2011 at 2:54 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @HotAirAce
      Jesus Christ is the only one that comes to mind...

      November 15, 2011 at 3:31 pm |
    • J.W

      Jesus and me.

      November 15, 2011 at 3:41 pm |
    • John Richardson

      Yeah, JW and Jesus and MAYBE my grandmother, but maybe not.

      November 15, 2011 at 3:43 pm |
    • Carl

      “True Christians” are those who partly or fully, in one way or another follow the teachings of the papacy. There are billions of examples of people showing “true Christianity”, just open your eyes.

      November 15, 2011 at 3:46 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Carl
      So only Catholics are true Christians?
      What about the other 37,999 denominations?

      November 15, 2011 at 3:48 pm |
    • Answer

      Ya open your eyes, close your minds. Accept fairy tales and don't ask questions. Just accept.

      November 15, 2011 at 3:48 pm |
    • J.W

      The Papacy? Then why do we even need Christ in there? Why are we not called Papacians?

      November 15, 2011 at 3:51 pm |
    • John Richardson

      "Papacians"!!! Yes!!!

      November 15, 2011 at 3:53 pm |
    • William Demuth

      Dipsticks

      Jesus was a Jew at birth and a Jew at death.

      And even if you are foolish enough to believe in reserection, he was STILL a Jew after that.

      November 15, 2011 at 4:11 pm |
    • fred

      Well, finally we all agree that the Bible speaks truth. "All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God". From the beginning to the end we see man reject the way of God, the truth of God and the reality of God with us"

      November 15, 2011 at 4:11 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      Seriously, isn't there a single human being that everyone would agree is a "true christian?" I don't think this person has to be perfect – just someone that no one else would say "They're not a christian!" about.

      November 15, 2011 at 4:18 pm |
    • fred

      HotAirAce
      Billy Graham and George Bush

      November 15, 2011 at 4:22 pm |
    • Bob

      Yeah, fred, we all fall short of the glory and gory of your god. I mean, heck, none of us have massacred whole peoples repeatedly like the bible says god did. And we sure can't keep up with those diseases and disasters he keeps flinging at us, not to mention all those animal sacrifices he wants us to do.

      No thanks. You can keep your stories about your big violent sky jerk and your sicko Christian religion. To yourself. Quietly please.

      November 15, 2011 at 4:24 pm |
    • fred

      HotAirAce
      Ok, note how easy it is to identify those who are not Christian. BOB for one.............

      November 15, 2011 at 4:27 pm |
    • fred

      Bob
      You completely miss the blessings from the Bible because of your approach. You always, go for the same repeat story line God bad Bob better than God. How is that working for you?

      Ready to hear the truth?

      November 15, 2011 at 4:36 pm |
    • Answer

      What is your version of the "truth" fred?

      Is it "believe me I know the truth. I have no proof but my words -truth?" I've heard your bull and many who speak from their as-s-es just like you.

      November 15, 2011 at 4:45 pm |
    • fred

      Answer
      What was your ear doing down there. Besides it was just gas

      November 15, 2011 at 5:08 pm |
    • J.W

      William is the best Demuthian I have ever seen.

      November 15, 2011 at 5:09 pm |
    • Ummmmm

      "Besides it was just gas"

      So basically you're full of hot air, no wonder your posts stink.

      November 15, 2011 at 5:10 pm |
    • J.W

      I have a suggestion. Bob and Sue should get married.

      November 15, 2011 at 5:12 pm |
    • apps

      yikes. some blokes have a penchant for sticking their ears in all the wrong places

      November 15, 2011 at 5:12 pm |
    • Answer

      So in other words 'fred' you have no truth but insults.

      Congrats! As i stated your kind does need to be extinguished.

      November 15, 2011 at 5:14 pm |
    • Answer

      If you couldn't grasp the concept of the play on the words gas towards fire to extinguished .. then please accept your label as an idiot.

      November 15, 2011 at 5:18 pm |
    • fred

      Answer
      Pilate asked Jesus the same question “what is truth” but, like you he really did not want to hear it rather was resigned to stay with the temporal things. If you want the truth and seek it you will be surprised that it was right in front of you the whole time.
      Faith from Corinthians is looking at the things which are not seen and temporal: it is preferring spiritual and eternal realities to the things of time, sense, and sin; it is leaning on God and realizing His Word; it is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
      Once again the Bible is true Answer, you prefer the things of time, sense and sin in your life over spiritual and eternal realities. The Bible I not complicated. The difference between Jesus and Pilate is stark and you know where your heart is.
      Jesus referred to scripture as Gods Holy Word. We have a Bible that has been translated many times. The truth is in there but we need to seek it out. The general doctrines are there yet people will disagree on some of the small stuff. The truth comes from seeking. If I tell you what I found it is not the same as when you find it yourself. The main reason is that something has changed in the heart of a seeker that looks for truth. Finding the answer is part of that new mans journey.

      p.s. I think you suggested I am your new flame?

      November 15, 2011 at 5:29 pm |
    • Answer

      Me think of you as a new flame? Hilarious! You go out in an instant and burn out to light up a fart. For amusement only.

      Anybody who thinks the likes of your kind as the new beginnings of powerful flame that will sweep god's divinity onto the world is a flake. Like yourself.

      So you see yourself as the prophet for the new age of enlightenment do you? Is that your garbage rant today?

      November 15, 2011 at 5:37 pm |
    • Answer

      Out of all the days you have posted on CNN's Belief blog which day have you actually had any truth? Any moment of truth?
      Your kind is nothing but grandstanding for public support that you hold the truth. Let's see you state what is the truth for once in your life.

      Name a topic that you will state your brand of truth and start it. For all to see.

      November 15, 2011 at 5:43 pm |
    • Ummmmm

      We have a Bible that has been translated many times. The truth is in there but we need to seek it out.”

      Funny I was watching a news cast about the Penn State trial coming up and they were interviewing a lawyer. She made an interesting comment and that is lawyers prefer that their clients don’t speak because each time they tell their stories there will always be slight differences the more the person tells it. Can you imagine what happened to the story of Jesus over the fifty plus years before the scriptures where written, it’s been completely distorted. A great example is what happened with the story of Santa Claus. What is so dangerous about Christians claiming it’s the word of God and to be taken literally is how far did the deviations go. The bible is NOT the word of a god but stories men told over centuries that turned into a religion founded on deceptive folklore.

      November 15, 2011 at 5:48 pm |
    • Ogre

      Answer,

      fred is one of those people who has a very fragile grip on reality. I would feel just terrible if something that I said sent him back to the gutter. At least he is not mean like HeavenSent and Prism and a few others around here. I say, let him be.

      November 15, 2011 at 5:50 pm |
    • fred

      Answer
      Careful now, they laughed at Noah when he was building a boat in the middle of a desert that had never seen rain. Then when the rain came everybody wanted in the boat.
      Just to keep our little flame from turning into an eternal fire I will answer one question of truth for you that may just turn your heart from the darkside. Remember just one then you need to find the rest on your own so make it a tuff one

      November 15, 2011 at 5:50 pm |
    • Answer

      @Ogre

      It's always a fun day when a relicon shows his dementia on these areas. Completely entertaining when you poke at them and make em spew up their tirade. : It's fun.

      @fred

      Oh fred .. ya look at Noah he's dead. 🙂 Look at the magical show that your supposed god told you about in that glorious bible of yours. How could I be such a fool to make fun and mock Noah as such.. I'm so so so sorry 🙂 Hahaha

      Fred do go on with your version of truth. Don't change the subject. You are acting like a politician who wants to focus on any subject that you are uncomfortable about. One that you have brought up I may add. You're like trying to change it to "let's look at my tie.. see how gorgeous it is." Pathetic.

      November 15, 2011 at 5:56 pm |
    • fred

      Ummmmmmm
      You were right about the gas but not much on the Bible. The truth is those that seek actually find it, time and time again. Take for example the discussion over Isaiah 40:22 where God sees the earth as a circle. Some claim it means the earth was flat. The word circle to the Hebrew is more of a 3d version. In a wedding dance the circle relates to an all encompassing life not 360 degrees on a floor.
      To get the truth of something from 750BC you also need to know the common use of that word in terms of God when he looked at his people like grasshopers in that verse.

      November 15, 2011 at 6:03 pm |
    • Answer

      "You were right about the gas but not much on the Bible."

      Hilarious!

      Once again fred.. when all fails defend the bible as the leading source of truth. The absolute truth of which you have accepted as truth. The bible supports your truth and you support the truth in the bible. End all to end all truths.

      Who amongst your kind has ever said otherwise and could never explain why this is so shoddy logic.

      November 15, 2011 at 6:07 pm |
    • Ummmmm

      This is posted also on the other page.....

      "The word circle to the Hebrew is more of a 3d version. In a wedding dance the circle relates to an all encompassing life not 360 degrees on a floor."

      Yes, you have to tell yourself those lies in order to believe what you are reading. The original intent of the word was circle flat because lets face it back then while they were writing they didn't understand 3 D. That is what is so dangerous about fundamentalists like you constantly twisting what was originally written to justify the lies you tell yourself....oh....sorry..so you can have faith.

      November 15, 2011 at 6:09 pm |
    • Ummmmm

      "they laughed at Noah when he was building a boat in the middle of a desert that had never seen rain. Then when the rain came everybody wanted in the boat."

      What is really disturbing are the ramifications involved with wanting to worship the deity that was supposed to have caused the flood. It's hard to imagine how animals are "wicked" or how human fetuses are "sinners", yet these beings are destroyed by the Bible God despite the fact that they had committed no transgression. That a God would repent of what it created and kill off its own entire creation, and not just the "sinful" humans, indicates the kind of mental instability found in humans, and should certainly not manifest itself in a perfect "God".

      November 15, 2011 at 6:15 pm |
    • YeaRight

      "What is really disturbing are the ramifications involved with wanting to worship the deity that was supposed to have caused the flood."

      You forgot the flood itself is a monument to inept solutions as it failed to solve the problem of wickedness which had infected the earth. Since this god is supposed to be omniscient, he flooded the world knowing ahead of time that it wouldn't really solve anything. LMAO!

      November 15, 2011 at 6:21 pm |
    • fred

      Answer
      What is truth? Jesus said I am the way the truth and the light, no one comes to the Father but through me. The way was to follow Jesus teachings love God and love your neighbor as yourself. The truth was the word of God and the light was the glory of God for in the beginning God separated the light from the darkness.
      There were two criminals hanging next to Jesus. One mocked Jesus while the other said “do you not fear God”. This criminal looked at Jesus and said “I deserve this you did nothing wrong, remember me.” Jesus said today you will be in paradise with me. Very simple and clear the difference between light and darkness. Simple message this man recognized he was a sinner and looked to God. Not complicated, simple truth for anyone that wants to seek it.

      November 15, 2011 at 6:22 pm |
    • Ummmm

      “The truth was the word of God and the light was the glory of God for in the beginning God separated the light from the darkness.”

      No it didn’t it supposedly killed off all of it’s first creation, knowing they would become wicked again, then created a son to kill off so it would stop looking like a fool. If your god was so smart it should have created the son first and not flooded the world to begin with….oh that’s right that pagan religion hadn’t been invented yet that the story would be copied from. Oops… your god wasn’t so smart. LOL!

      November 15, 2011 at 6:30 pm |
    • Answer

      Fred.

      BS. Your Jesus is crap. It has no light it has no darkness. It has nothing. It is empty. So are your verses. Your words are hollow and vapid. All they do is repeat and repeat. You want to convince yourself it's fine with me. You won't be convincing anyone who has the guts to ask questions.

      Apparently you expect me to just take your banter as kindness and believe in what you offer as truth. That is all it is. You are pleading for someone to understand your point of view. Words so thin and weak pleading to others not to turn you away as stupid and gullible. You want others to be like you – stupid and gullible. I on the otherhand am encouraging others to ask questions.

      What your brand of truth is saying is this: "please take me seriously."

      I am stating to others to pass on your garbage.

      November 15, 2011 at 6:35 pm |
    • fred

      Ummmm
      YeahRight
      We are not God and sit in a linear time line from birth to death with seconds ticking. God sits outside our time line and was the creator of time. Sitting outside our time God sees what is in an instant with our beginning and end as a continual loop. The sacrifice of Jesus on the on cross was the solution to mans problem before God created man (that’s from Genesis). He knew he would die for Adams sin before he created Adam.
      Now, given Gods view we are in no position to second guess what the generation of Cain was like or would be like down the line. As to taking out all the creation: God created this earth and all the creatures for man (Genesis). It is only fitting that all the things God created for man go with him. As to “killer” take note God blotted them out…..he did not kill but erased them from ever having existed. Once again the translation of blotted is very old but, that is my take. Even if my take is wrong God is bigger than us and very capable of bringing through any beings he wishes in any fashion he desires.

      November 15, 2011 at 6:37 pm |
    • Answer

      "Even if my take is wrong God is bigger than us and very capable of bringing through any beings he wishes in any fashion he desires."

      Once again you want to implore this tact? God is so vast we cannot comprehend crap? Hilarious.
      When will your kind ever learn to think for yourself?

      The concept of time: in absolute definition is the moment to the next moment. God can not exist without going from one moment to the next moment. Therefore god is bound in time. Not out of time. For god to even begin a thought it is a moment. The miniscule or smallest segments of moment are still a moment. God did not begin time. Time flowed the moment nothingness begin into something. God would have came out of the nothingness as the same as the BIG BANG theory.

      The fact for the BIG BANG is that nothing can always be there. God was never there.

      November 15, 2011 at 6:44 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      So the leading contenders for "true christian" are a holy leader that says abortion is OK under certain circumstances and a warmonger who lied to justify invading Iraq. Very interesting.....

      November 15, 2011 at 6:45 pm |
    • Ummmm

      "The sacrifice of Jesus on the on cross was the solution to mans problem before God created man (that’s from Genesis). He knew he would die for Adams sin before he created Adam."

      What a load of twisted crap to justify your bogus beliefs. Wow no wonder you believe in the bible but based on what you're writing you are not a true christian.

      November 15, 2011 at 6:53 pm |
    • fred

      Answer
      You say “It has no light it has no darkness. It has nothing. It is empty.”
      Correct, that is existence without God.
      Consider however that you know there is more to man and this creation than mathematics and biomechanical cause and effect. I doubt other living creatures on this planet are aware that something / some force or cause is outside our understanding. We cannot put our hands on it or wrap our mind around it yet we know it exists. If you say you have never sensed this that is possible because certain neurological pathways are not present in all people. It is this area of the brain some have called the god center that is more responsive in some people and less responsive in others. I know others that worship far more than I am capable of so certainly there are those that are less.

      November 15, 2011 at 6:56 pm |
    • Answer

      @fred

      Empty once again – on your view. That is religion – living with it. Sad life of denial to reality.

      November 15, 2011 at 7:05 pm |
    • fred

      Ummmmm
      Sorry, I didn't write it. You are welcome to twist the Bible anyway you wish. Even a straight literal reading would be your own personal twist. Some verses are written to a specific people and we choose to apply it to ourselves while others are parable. I am not an expert just a beginner at this.
      You seek and find lies, killing and an idiot of a God in the Bible. I see an endless love for creation that was specifically made in the image of God that glorifies God in all that is good and wonderful. God created and said it is very good and rested. Man made a miss of things but God already made a provision for that which is good, very good.

      November 15, 2011 at 7:08 pm |
    • Answer

      "but God already made a provision for that which is good, very good."

      Fred, for a person who just claimed "we can not know god .."

      You already know he made provisions. Once again trusting your faith and the bible. What a way to live your life.
      Validate the bible because it validates you. Poor you.

      November 15, 2011 at 7:10 pm |
    • Ummmm

      "It is this area of the brain some have called the god center that is more responsive in some people and less responsive in others."

      LMAO! Stimulation of that part of the brain gives people intense feelings of joy and the sense of being close to some greater power or being "one with the universe." Some epileptic patients get these intense feelings just before seizures, and it is believed that some famous saints and other religious figures may have likewise suffered from such disorders.

      November 15, 2011 at 7:13 pm |
    • Ummmm

      "I see an endless love for creation that was specifically made in the image of God that glorifies God in all that is good and wonderful"

      Really earthquakes, tsunamis, hurricanes, tornadoes would be classified as something your god created, that destroys peoples innocent lives glorifies your god.

      November 15, 2011 at 7:18 pm |
    • fred

      Answer
      You said: It has nothing. It is empty. So are your verses. Your words are hollow and vapid. Sad life of denial to reality.
      Well, the problem answer is that we cannot both be right. There is a 100% probability that you do not know why the world was created thus there is a 100% probability you do not know the purpose of existence. Denial of reality is to claim emptiness and nothingness is the purpose and reason for creation when you are 100% confident that cannot be.
      The reality is that the words of the Bible are not hollow. Point in fact God says my words do not return empty but, serve their purpose. Whether you believe God or not this is exactly what we have seen happen for 2,000 years now. The words are not hollow man uses Gods words for good and evil. His words touch countless lives. You live in a Judeo Christian culture dominated by the God of the Bible. The words are powerful. Look how they tick you off. Hollow words would simply vanish.

      November 15, 2011 at 7:37 pm |
    • fred

      Ummmm
      The forces of natue fall under the same catagory. In the Bible God says I choose to let it rain on the wicked and the righteous. Ummmm you and I are in the same boat on this one. At any time a lightning strike could take us out or eathquake killing thousands. Who are we to argue with God. That is the whole point we are not in contol, we know little about what is really going on, our entire existence hangs on a thread.
      If there is a God, God is more than capable of putting things right. It does not matter what means God chooses to use what matters is our response. The book of Job tells us why things happen and how we are to respond. The entire Bible tells us how to respond to floods etc. The Bible helps, it is a guide for us. "for I wish that none would perish but that all would come to the glory of God"

      November 15, 2011 at 7:49 pm |
    • Bob

      fred, you suggested that you could provide some "truth". Please, then, respond truthfully to the issues that I have to keep bringing up. No more of the usual Christian dodging this time please:

      1. Why did your god ever include (or allow to be included) in the bible his commands for sacrificing animals?
      2. How can any deity be considered "loving", that considers eternal torture fair punishment for minor transgressions such as reasonable doubt in a short mortal life? Any modern human court would consider such punishment barbaric, to say the least.

      Thanks. I'm still waiting for a real response from you on these issues.

      November 15, 2011 at 8:04 pm |
    • Ummmmm

      "If there is a God, God is more than capable of putting things right."

      But it doesn't that was the point fred, it's fun to watch you make crap up to justify your beliefs. The god you are trying to tell the world exists CHOOSES to kill millions of innocent people all the time, including those that are his followers. That is not a god, that is a tyrant. Be afraid....be really afraid....that is your faith, not ours.

      November 16, 2011 at 10:56 am |
    • fred

      Ummmm
      Now we are getting somewhere when you said "that is your faith not ours". Our faith is in the finished work of Christ not ourselves (we have a high failure rate). Tell me about your faith so I can understand.

      November 16, 2011 at 3:03 pm |
  12. smellarat

    I love hearing this uber-liberal atheist journalist John King quoting scriptures. I don't think he could hide his blatant Obama worshiping if he wanted to. He's right on the edge of drooling, thinking he's really got some story here. Well it's nice to know that Obama is truly the real Savior. Ha!

    November 15, 2011 at 2:43 pm |
    • Fookin' Prawn

      Wow, who p!ssed in your Wheaties this morning?

      November 15, 2011 at 3:04 pm |
    • Rick

      seek professional help, smellarat

      November 15, 2011 at 3:37 pm |
    • William Demuth

      Rat

      For your own well being, do NOT assume all Athiests are liberals, or pacifists.

      November 15, 2011 at 4:12 pm |
  13. Hypatia

    Thank you Tealiban idiot. Now go back to your bunker and drink your koolaid, like a good loonytune.

    November 15, 2011 at 2:36 pm |
  14. William Demuth

    I miss the day when men like this were shot and killed.

    He is a PARASITE, and shames my nation and indeed the whole human race.

    November 15, 2011 at 1:51 pm |
    • John Richardson

      Christ, William, will you quit with the endless calls for violence. You are the biggest embarrassment to the human race on this blog.

      November 15, 2011 at 3:42 pm |
    • William Demuth

      I find that amusing!

      Do you live in the same world as me?

      If you review the price that is paid every day, and who has to pay it, I don't see how any rational man could draw any other conclusion.

      This disease of the mind is consuming our world, as I suspect it has consumed you.

      November 15, 2011 at 4:09 pm |
    • John Richardson

      No, William, it's you whose become just another sectarian ready to burn all others at the stake. You're a bigger boob than Bob Jones.

      November 15, 2011 at 5:17 pm |
    • Answer

      How one sees the world as a threat is always a personal view, of that individual who experiences it.

      The idiots from the religious are furiously promoting their agenda to recreate the past (aka the 1800's) so they can relive in glory and control. Most of us know they will never succeed because there are people who are actively bringing their stupidity to a halt with their falsehoods and hateful ways.

      There are bright people who know the craft of using words to disembowel their internet rantings. We'll continue to do it with words.. I think of William as the military arm in reality for when failure with words will be met with brutality of real armaments. Hopefully it won't come to that. Stupidity takes more than one generation of problem solving to rid of.

      November 15, 2011 at 5:34 pm |
  15. myweightinwords

    Why do we care so much who someone is having s.e.x with and what god they pray too?

    There are so many more important things we should be aware of and talking about.

    November 15, 2011 at 1:45 pm |
  16. Dagget

    So, basically, in America, you're free to worship any god you want, join any religion you want and practice whatever rituals you want (given they don't hurt people/animals) but you can't be President if you're not Christian?
    I thought that's what America was founded on? The idea of electing government officials based on what they can do for their country and not because of "Divine Right" that Europeans used to crown their kings that we were so against in the times of the Founing Fathers.

    Or more simply, I'll put it this way: I DON'T CARE WHAT THE MAN DOES ON SUNDAY MORNINGS, I CARE ABOUT WHAT HE DOES IN THE WHITE HOUSE

    November 15, 2011 at 1:34 pm |
  17. I'm The Best!

    Crazy Christian evangelists with their intolerance

    November 15, 2011 at 1:15 pm |
  18. Nonimus

    Is this the same Bob Jones, that changed his school's policy to *allow* inter-racial dating in the year 2000? Depending on your definition of when the millennium started, his school started the 21st century with a ban on inter-racial dating! Of course he has a problem with Obama, he is a "half-breed" after all, to use a term Bob might relate to.

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0003/03/lkl.00.html

    November 15, 2011 at 1:13 pm |
    • Primewonk

      Why should this be a surprise?

      In a poll of Republicans in Mississippi last April, 50% of them said that interracial marriage should be illegal.

      November 15, 2011 at 3:15 pm |
    • Nonimus

      @PrimeWonk,
      Thanks for the nudge. I wouldn't have believed it, if I didn't look it up. I had to do some digging but this poll (http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2011/04/barbour-bryant-lead-in-mississippi.html) did find 46% of Mississippi Republicans saying inter-racial marriage should be illegal, unbelievable!
      Another interesting twist, I didn't get any hits for this on major news sites, just DailyMail, Salon.com, and a few others. Also, the polling organization seemed reasonably well rated.

      November 15, 2011 at 4:48 pm |
  19. geekgirl42

    Where is the evidence that Bob Jones III is a Christian?

    November 15, 2011 at 1:08 pm |
    • Answer

      A typical conversation with a christian on proving he is a christian while talking to his christian friends goes like this:

      (to prove themselves as christians)

      "Hey Bob are you a christian?" "Yes Tom, I am"

      "Okay, do you think I am a true christian? "Yes you are Tom."

      "Thanks Bob. I think you are a true christian also." "Thanks Tom."

      "You are a true christian and a friend. Not like Jeff." "Ya Jeff isn't a true christian."

      –Easy satisfaction – each party just putting in their own words to prove each other. Nothing really complicated.
      They are both true christian by their own accounts. While Jeff is the outcast simply because they agree. I hope that helps geekgirl42.

      November 15, 2011 at 3:39 pm |
  20. Megan

    I'm a Christian and a South Carolinian, and I don't have words for how embarrassed and sad I am that I'm represented in the media by this guy. 🙁

    November 15, 2011 at 12:56 pm |
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