November 16th, 2011
04:53 AM ET
Belief Blog's Morning Speed Read for Wednesday, November 16
Here's the Belief Blog’s morning rundown of the top faith-angle stories from around the United States and around the world. Click the headlines for the full stories.
CNN: Catholic official: Church aims to confront abuse, work with educators after Penn State scandal
CNN: Hate crime numbers steady, FBI reports
Tweet of the Day: “@Time – ‘I don't have a problem with God. I have a problem with religion.’ 10 questions for Sting.”
@CNNBelief’s follow of the day: @DrNaif – the Kuwait-born creator of The 99, an Islam-inspired comic book and television series. Yours truly reported earlier that the voices of Islam’s Western critics caused the most problems for controversial comic.
The Christian Post: Tebow ‘Jesus’ Jerseys: Good Faith Promotion or Blasphemous?
Huffington Post: American Atheists Holiday 'Myth' Billboards to Go Up In New Jersey, Ohio, Florida (VIDEO)
RNS: Catholic bishops stay mum on economic turmoil
Quote of the Day:
– Jen Chaney, a Washington Post blogger, writes that Anderson will play the Virgin mother in “A Russell Peters Christmas Special” on CTV.
CNN: My Take: ‘All American Muslims’ doesn’t speak for this Muslim
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Blessed are the Cheesemakers.
Well, obviously, this is not meant to be taken literally. It refers to any manufacturers of dairy products.
MR. CHEEKY:Better keep listening. Might be a bit about 'Blessed are the big noses.'
BRIAN: Oh, lay off him.
MR. CHEEKY: Oh, you're not so bad yourself, Conkface. Where are you two from? Nose City?
MR. BIG NOSE: One more time, mate; I'll take you to the fu-ckin' cleaners!
FRANCIS: Well, blessed is just about everyone with a vested interest in the status quo, as far as I can tell, Reg.
REG: Yeah. Well, what Jesus blatantly fails to appreciate is that it's the meek who are the problem.
JUDITH: Yes, yes. Absolutely, Reg. Yes, I see.
I sure could go for some wolf's ni/pple chips....
The sp erm creed. We recite this in church every Sunday before the or gy starts. I believe it was added at the second eCU-M enical Council
I am also clearly Obsessive Compulsive. But I am an excellent driver.
The spe-rm creed. We recite this in church every Sunday before the or gy starts. I believe it was added at the second eCU-M enical Council.
I am referring to HP's post below of course. I am Reply impaired.
songs are great... lets all sing together –
I'm a Roman Catholic,
And have been since before I was born,
And the one thing they say about Catholics is:
They'll take you as soon as you're warm.
You don't have to be a six-footer.
You don't have to have a great brain.
You don't have to have any clothes on. You're
A Catholic the moment Dad came,
Every spe-rm is sacred.
Every spe-rm is great.
If a spe-rm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.
please keep in mind that i am not a roman catholic i am an atheist... its just part of the song.
And of course, the video.
thank you bob... i still can't figure out how to post videos... or else i totally would have. again thank you.
@)hippy, we were discusing the "Creed of Nicea". I haven't ignored it, rather I have been reshearching. I haven't finished (I thinkt there is a problem with the trinity) but I haven't time rignt now, but I will continue, and get back to you.
totally, no worries dude – take your time.
Hi Bo – I was following your post on the Nicene Creed elsewhere. Many Christians confess what the Nicene Creed summarizes: the Roman Church, the Eastern Orthodox, Lutherans and other churches of the Reformation et al. Most also embrace the Athanasian Creed, which was formulated later to refine the definition of the Trinity. Creeds are not scripture and should not be treated as such, but they are meant to define orthodox Christian doctrine. Some variations exist in the wording of the Creeds as they are followed by various groups today. This is one of the reasons doctrinal differences exist among Christians. I confess the Creeds as I learned them – but it would be wrong to exclude fellow Christians on the basis of small doctrinal differences.
I know it's a bit long, but here's the Athanasian Creed :
Whoever desires to be saved must, above all, hold the catholic faith.
Whoever does not keep it whole and undefiled will without doubt perish eternally.
And the catholic faith is this, that we worship one God in Trinity and Trinity in Unity,
neither confusing the persons nor dividing the substance.
For the Father is one person, the Son is another, and the Holy Spirit is another.
But the Godhead of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit is one:
the glory equal, the majesty coeternal.
Such as the Father is, such is the Son, and such is the Holy Spirit:
the Father uncreated,
the Son uncreated,
the Holy Spirit uncreated;
the Father infinite,
the Son infinite,
the Holy Spirit infinite;
the Father eternal,
the Son eternal,
the Holy Spirit eternal.
And yet there are not three Eternals, but one Eternal, just as there are not three Uncreated or three Infinites,
but one Uncreated and one Infinite.
In the same way, the Father is almighty, the Son almighty, the Holy Spirit almighty;
and yet there are not three Almighties, but one Almighty.
So the Father is God, the Son is God, the Holy Spirit is God;
and yet there are not three Gods, but one God.
So the Father is Lord, the Son is Lord, the Holy Spirit is Lord;
and yet there are not three Lords, but one Lord.
Just as we are compelled by the Christian truth to acknowledge each distinct person as God and Lord,
so also are we prohibited by the catholic religion to say that there are three Gods or Lords.
The Father is not made nor created nor begotten by anyone.
The Son is neither made nor created, but begotten of the Father alone.
The Holy Spirit is of the Father and of the Son,
neither made nor created nor begotten, but proceeding.
there is one Father, not three Fathers;
one Son, not three Sons;
one Holy Spirit, not three Holy Spirits.
And in this Trinity none is before or after another;
none is greater or less than another;
but the whole three persons are coeternal with each other and coequal, so that in all things, as
has been stated above, the Trinity in Unity and Unity in Trinity is to be worshiped.
Therefore, whoever desires to be saved must think thus about the Trinity.
But it is also necessary for everlasting salvation that one faithfully believe the incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Therefore, it is the right faith that we believe and confess that our Lord Jesus Christ,
the Son of God,
is at the same time both God and man.
He is God,
begotten from the substance of the Father before all ages;
and He is man,
born from the substance of His mother in this age:
perfect God and perfect man,
composed of a rational soul and human flesh;
equal to the Father with respect to His divinity,
less than the Father with respect to His humanity.
Although He is God and man, He is not two, but one Christ:
one, however, not by the conversion of the divinity into flesh,
but by the assumption of the humanity into God;
one altogether, not by confusion of substance, but by unity of person.
For as the rational soul and flesh is one man, so God and man is one Christ,
who suffered for our salvation,
descended into hell,
rose again the third day from the dead,
ascended into heaven,
and is seated at the right hand of the Father, God Almighty,
from whence He will come to judge the living and the dead.
At His coming all people will rise again with their bodies and give an account concerning their own deeds.
And those who have done good will enter into eternal life, and those who have done evil into eternal fire.
This is the catholic faith;
whoever does not believe it faithfully and firmly cannot be saved.
Brad.. the Lutheran version is the one i post only because it is shorter but says what they all say....
We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is, seen and unseen.
We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary,
and was made man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered death and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.
We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come. Amen.
compare the two versions, in my eyes – no matter which one you preferr, it is still the central belief of a christian that jesus is the messiah and that is really all this states. s
I haven't said the Athanasian creed in a long time. I remembered it being longer but maybe it just seemed that way. I remember what hippy posted is the nicene creed. The apostles creed is the shortest.
well the nicene creed came first before any others.. and all others draw from it – so i would tend to think that if you consider youself a "true christian" you would go as far back as possible and believe what the first or slightly later christians did, which is laid out for you in the creed.
@hippypoet The Athanasian Creed came later, after the Council of Chalcedon in 451. That Council was convened to address problems that had come out of interpretation of early doctrine including the Nicene Creed. That's not to say that the Athanasian Creed supersedes the Nicene Creed. Both are confessed by many Christian groups.
My church now doesn't really ever say any of the creeds. I still have them memorized, well not the athanasian but the others, because I said them for so many years.
brad, i agree... but one has to look at the reasons why the creeds were rewritten – the creeds were written to fight against Arianism, Gnosticism and overall the most important reason to rewrite anything is to restate as to "drive home" the beliefs... such as affirming the deity of jesus, the holy ghost, and what god actually created. Now i don't believe in any of this, but i think that if you choose to then you should know not one but all the differing versions of the creeds to better understand where you truly fit in in your beliefs.
@J.W. We recite the Athanasian Creed on Trinity Sunday. The Nicene Creed much more often – before the sacrament.
@hippypoet – Indeed, I've had some good conversations with my Eastern Orthodox and Roman Catholic friends on this. The differences are interesting.
@ to all having the convo – i am outta here for now, biz meeting and then lunch – so...
i find that even thou its still rare, i can have here a decent conversation over religion even thou i am a non believer compared to face to face conversations with believers...they tend to get mad and feel as if they are under attack. I think here its easier to have such only because one doesn't reply while the other is typing there reply and then feel interrupted, which then the whole value of the convo goes down hill from there. And above all, the history to any faith should be known by those who share the beliefs, no matter how screwed up it happens to be, so a conversation here or there shouldn't be a threat but a chance to share knowledge and beliefs which is how such beliefs spread in the first place... ok so inshort, i am just saying thank you for being nice enough to dive into your inner beliefs and not get upset or insulting.
my quote of the day – "You can't change the world, only infuence the world to change."
quote by: me, the hippypoet 🙂
i have others but i like this one alot.
I will not leave.