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Catholic Church smooths way for disaffected Episcopalians
Washington Archbishop Cardinal Donald Wuerl announced the new program for former Episcopalians Tuesday.
November 16th, 2011
02:26 PM ET

Catholic Church smooths way for disaffected Episcopalians

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

(CNN) - The Roman Catholic Church is establishing a program to help disaffected American Episcopalians to join the Catholic fold – including married Episcopal priests who want to become Catholic priests – it announced Tuesday.

The move comes after dozens of Episcopal parishes have left the Episcopal Church in recent years over what they allege is the mother church’s liberal drift, which they say is most dramatically reflected in its ordination of openly gay clergy.

The new Catholic program will allow groups of Episcopalians to become Catholic and to recognize the pope as their leader, yet have parishes that retain Anglican rites.

The church announced an effort to welcome disaffected Anglicans into the Roman Catholic Church in 2009. The Episcopal Church is the American arm of the Anglican Communion.

The developments come more than 450 years after King Henry VIII broke from Rome and created the Church of England, forerunner of the Anglican Communion.

Washington Archbishop Cardinal Donald Wuerl announced the new program at a meeting of American bishops on Tuesday, saying Pope Benedict XVI had signed off on the new program in October.

The Episcopal Church consecrated its first openly gay bishop, Gene Robinson, in 2003, angering some conservative Episcopalians. The Episcopal Church notes that the vast majority of its parishes have remained with the mother church.

In January, the Catholic church will establish an Ordinariate, or official body, for former Episcopalians who decided to join the Catholic church.

Wuerl said that 67 American Episcopal priests had already applied to be ordained as Catholic priests in anticipation of the new program. He said that 35 of them are moving onto the second stage of the ordination.

Two American Episcopal communities – one in the Catholic Diocese of Fort Worth, Texas and another in the Archdiocese of Washington – have joined the Catholic Church this year, he said.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Catholic Church • Episcopal

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  1. catholic engineer

    The Oxford Movement which began in 1833 (a bit early for this CNN edition). It's purpose was to bring the Anglican church closer to the Roman Catholic tradition. Much of the impetus for this movement came from John Henry Newman, himself a former Anglican. Some of Newman's quotes"

    “To be deep in history, is to cease to be Protestant.”

    " Ability is genderless"

    "Calculation never produced a hero."

    November 17, 2011 at 9:47 am |
    • Ah....wait just a second

      Who cares about "unification" ? Diversity is a good thing.

      November 17, 2011 at 10:49 am |
    • catholic engineer

      @AH...Wait Fair point. In fact in John's gospel, Jesus spoke of having other sheep. (Not sure what that means, but food for thought) And of course, He made his message available to women (the woman at the well), to an Etheopian eunuch (St Phillip in Acts), to a woman caught in adultery, to intellectuals (Nicodemus). On the other hand, in John's gospel, Jesus prayed that "all whom the Father has given me will be one." Among his apostles were Peter, and Matthew the tax collector – like putting a laborer and IRS agent in the same boat ! Now THAT'S diversity.)

      November 17, 2011 at 11:08 am |
    • gerald

      Diversity is not a good thing in this manner you speak. Jesus prayed that they might all be one. Paul in 1 Cor 1 decried the divisions in the Church. Yes God reaches out to all people of all faiths but this does not mean division is good. "Divide and conquer" is satan's plan.

      November 17, 2011 at 12:57 pm |
    • RightTurnClyde

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      November 17, 2011 at 1:54 pm |
  2. Doc Vestibule

    St. Peter: Well, according to the celestial registry, you've been a good man. You may enter the Kingdom of Heaven and live for eternity at His side.
    Thomas: Thank you!
    St. Peter: Enter and join your fellow Presbyterians.
    Thomas: Oh, I'm Catholic, not Presbyterian.
    St. Peter: Oh, well then, go to Hell.
    Thomas: But wait a minute, you just said I could go to Heaven.
    St. Peter: Well, the Kingdom of Heaven is for those who have followed the one true path.
    Thomas: Presbyterians?
    St. Peter: Presbyterians.
    Thomas: Wh-wh-what about Catholics and Mennonites and others who lived faithfully by the tenets of their religion?!
    St. Peter: They blew it–next?
    Thomas: No-no-now wait! Wait, I attended mass, I took communion, I went to confession again and again!
    St. Peter: Waste of time; you might as well have stayed home Sundays and watched Red Fisher. He's Presbyterian.
    Thomas: And to think the Jews claimed they were God's chosen people.
    St. Peter: Oh, that was years ago. No, the Lord's finicky.
    Thomas: Finicky?
    St. Peter: Well, it was the Jews for a few thousand years, and God got into Muslims, 'cause He liked their hats; then, when they started slicing off hands, God went with Zen, then there was the Hopi Indians and the Aztecs for a while
    Thomas: What about us Catholics?
    St. Peter: Oh, He never liked them. The closest He got was the Anglicans, 'cause He liked Henry VIII's sense of humor.
    Thomas: You know, God seems awfully indecisive.
    St. Peter: Yeah, I guess so.
    Thomas: So anyone who isn't a Presbyterian goes to Hell?
    St. Peter: No, no, Baptists go to Purgatory.
    Thomas: Oh, God likes Baptists?
    St. Peter: No, God likes to get their hopes up. Then, just when they figure they're in, dispatched to the nether regions.
    Thomas: Wow.
    St. Peter: And God never forgave the Mormons for the Osmonds.
    Thomas: But why, why Presbyterians?
    St. Peter: Because they're nice.
    Thomas: Nice?
    St. Peter: Nice–God's old, He doesn't want trouble.
    Thomas: Catholics are nice, too.
    St. Peter: Have you ever heard of a Presbyterian holy war.
    Thomas: Well, no.
    St. Peter: No, because Presbyterians don't go in for them, they don't condemn this or that from their fiery pulpits.
    Thomas: Well, wait, hold on a second. Isn't the Ulster Defence League Presbyterian?
    St. Peter: No.
    Thomas: I think they are, I think they are.
    St. Peter: Well, I'm not sure...I'll...go check. Might have to go back to the Aztecs. Why don't you just wait in Purgatory 'til I find this out, okay?
    Thomas: With the Baptists? No, thanks–I'll wait in Limbo. (Opens door, limbo music plays) Get back to me on this real soon, I'm counting on heavenly salvation.

    – The Frantics

    November 17, 2011 at 8:09 am |
    • catholic engineer

      Doc, you're on a faith blog so tolerate some scripture, please. Romans 2:12 "Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them."

      I'm cautious with private interpretation, but it seems to me that this quote gives God room to judge a person according to how he obeys his own conscience. After all, Gods law is written on our hearts whether Catholic, Anglican, Muslim, etc. Possibly even atheist.

      November 17, 2011 at 10:00 am |
    • Joxer the Mighty

      @ Catholic Engineer IMHO you are a very wise man.

      November 17, 2011 at 10:04 am |
    • Nonimus

      @catholic engineer,
      That quote seems too specious to be useful. It seems to be saying that when non-members (of whatever group) do 'the right thing' it is because "the law" is written in their hearts. So, when they do the 'wrong thing' is that also written in their hearts, or is it chalked up to personal failings?

      If it's right it's due to God. If it's wrong it's due to personal failure. Impressive how it's impossible for God to do wrong, and at the same time impossible for people to do right, on their own.

      November 17, 2011 at 11:38 am |
    • Chuckles

      @CE

      That was in reference to the people who do not know the law..... say people in the Amazon, or China or whereever. The genitles (people who aren't jewish) are not supposed to be faulted because they don't know the law. Christians are still gentiles as we know them today, BUT they do have access to the law, so you're quote actually doesn't refer to any christian sect or really an atheist or secular jew or muslim and so on who actively rejects the bible.

      November 17, 2011 at 11:42 am |
    • J.W

      There is no way God would prefer anyone to Mennonites.

      November 17, 2011 at 11:43 am |
    • Chuckles

      I should clarify however I don't mean to say that christians sects actively reject the bible like the rest of the groups I stated, rather they reject the law as laid out in the OT because jesus supposedly fulfilled them (even though he said when he fulfilled them it would be The End, and yet we're still here....so doesn't that mean he has yet to fulfill them)?

      November 17, 2011 at 11:55 am |
    • J.W

      Chuckles can you quote the verse that it says that when he fulfills them it will be the end? I am trying to remember where that is. I don't think that is in Matthew 5.

      November 17, 2011 at 12:38 pm |
    • Chuckles

      @JW

      "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished" – This is in Matthew, but read it closely. He says the law will be around until it's all acomplished – which will be when heave and earth disappear.....

      November 17, 2011 at 12:44 pm |
    • J.W

      Hmmm I guess I can see that. I wouldn't think that heaven would ever disappear though. What will happen to those of us that are supposed to go there? But perhaps it could also be interpreted as the life and death of Jesus was the fulfillment, and that is why we do not need to follow much of the OT law.

      November 17, 2011 at 12:50 pm |
    • RightTurnClyde

      @catholic engineer .. . .y e s . .G o d . .i s . .t h e . .j u d g e . .a n d . .w e . .a r e . .t o l d . .n o t . .t o . .j u d g e . .( s e v e r a l . .t i m e s . .a c t u a l l y ) . . . . .T h e . .A p o s t l e s . .( n . .t h e i r . .e p i s t l e s ) . . . .c a n . .n o t . .c h a n g e . .G o d ' s . .d o c t r i n e . .( M a r k . .8 . .- – . .t h e . .l e a v e n . .o f . .t h e . .P h a r i s e e s ) . . . .a n d . .s o . .e v e n . .i f . .t h e y . .s a y . .s o m e t h i n g . .i n . .a n . .E p i s t l e . .( l e t t e r ) . .. .i t . .c a n . .b e . .i n . .e r r o r . . . . .M a n . .d o e s . .n o t . .g i v e . .p e r m i s s i o n . .t o . .G o d . .o r . .R E V I S E . .G o d . . . . .M a n . .l i k e s . .t o . .t h i n k . .h e . .c a n . . . . .P o w e r . .i s . .i n t o x i c a t i n g . . . . .I . .d o . .n o t . .t h i n k . .t h e . .A p o s t l e s . .w a n t e d . .t o . .b u t . .t h e y . .d i d . .m a k e . .m i s t a k e s . .a n d . .s o . .d i d . .t h e . .s u c c e s s o r s . .t o . .t h e . .A p o s t l e s . . . . .S t . . .P a u l . .m a d e . .a . .l o t . .o f . .t h e m . .a n d . .t h e . .R C . .c h u r c h . .m a d e . .a . .l o t . .o f . .t h e m . .( l i k e . .c e l i b a c y ) . . . . .I n . .R e v e l a t i o n s . .A p o s t l e . .J o h n . . .a d m o n i s h e s . .c h u r c h e s . .f o r . .m a k i n g . .t h e m . .( m a n y . .o f . .t h e m ) . . . . .S o . .t h e . .c o n c l u s i o n . .m u s t . .b e : . .G o d . .i s . .t h e . .u l t i m a t e . .a u t h o r i t y . .o n . .d o c t r i n e . .a n d . .m a n . .C A N N O T . .i m p r o v e . .i t . .o r . .a m e n d . .i t . . . .B u t . .m a n . .m a n . .h a s . .d o n e . .s o . .a n d . .t o . .h i s . .d e t r i m e n t .

      November 17, 2011 at 2:05 pm |
    • TR6

      @: J.W: ” But perhaps it could also be interpreted as the life and death of Jesus was the fulfillment, and that is why we do not need to follow much of the OT law.”

      Jesus said to follow the law of the old testament ALL OF IT. He also said the most difficult path is the one that leads to heaven. Pretending that you are no longer bound by the law of the Old Testament is the easy path to hell

      “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven."Matthew 5:17-19

      "Heaven and earth will disappear before the smallest letter of the Law does." Luke 16:17 (CEV)

      What part of “UNTIL HEAVEN AND EARTH DISAPPEAR” don’t you understand?

      November 17, 2011 at 9:49 pm |
  3. vince

    What's strange to me is that aside from the trappings, the two churches are philosophically quite different. The Episcopal Church is very protestant - no statues, no crucifix, a simple cross or an image of the risen Christ, emphasis on prayer and salvation through Jesus alone. Whereas the RC church has become very Marionis (huge emphasis on Mary including directed prayers), prayers and intervention of saints, belief in physical transubstantiation of the host in mass, primacy of the Pope etc etc. I just don't see how this work unless you make all sorts of exceptions and twists of theology.

    November 16, 2011 at 11:22 pm |
    • Trystan

      Not really. They both believe in tooth fairies.

      November 16, 2011 at 11:56 pm |
    • RightTurnCLyde

      There are many MORE differences that are probably insurmountable from the perspective of reunification. But it is possible that a disaffiliate from one could go to the other .. The more like choice is to go to neither. churches are not easy to join They are "owned" by a central clique which actually decides who is welcome. The Crystal cathedral (under Rev. Schuler) was very open to new people and also Grace Community. But many of the fundamentalists do not welcome new people. Roman Catholic churches tend to be "owned" by cliques of women (often dictate the CCD content). An Anglican may not find it a warm place to attend. If the women of the church are ethnic then they definitely would not welcome Anglican of any kind.

      November 17, 2011 at 1:38 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Vince
      For most church goers, the community is as, if not more important than, the dogma.
      The rituals may vary, but so long as the core message remains consistent (ie: Jesus is Lord) then moving from one denomination to another doesn't require the same kind of double-think that conversion to a non-Christian religion takes.

      November 17, 2011 at 8:27 am |
  4. jon

    God is great...God is good....

    November 16, 2011 at 10:59 pm |
    • Trystan

      Yes. Thank him for beer and strip clubs. Amen.

      November 16, 2011 at 11:58 pm |
  5. THE BIBLE IS GARBAGE

    MANY BANDS HAVE STOOD THE TEST OF TIME BY ALTERING THEIR SOUND TO APPEASE NEW GENERATIONS. SOME PEOPLE CALL THIS SELLING OUT. METALLICA DID IT, BUT THEIR NEW MUSICS ACTUALLY SUCKS. EVEN CULTS UNDERSTAND THIS CONCEPT. THE CULT WILL CONTINUE IGNORING THE TEACHINGS OF THEIR HOLY BOOKS TO STAY CURRENT SO THEY CAN KEEP MONEY FLOWING IN THE CHURCH. MAYBE ONE DAY RELIGION WILL BECOME COMPLETELY OBSOLETE AND PEOPLE CAN JUST GET ON WITH THEIR LIVES.

    November 16, 2011 at 9:39 pm |
    • NHTK - 111

      Hey, the very Book you call garbage will judge you and send you to everlasting darkness, where weeping and mourning never ceases. Think it's a joke?! If George Carlin could only come back and tell you !!! But your own words will testify against you, just like his did against him!
      You are a prince of fools!

      November 16, 2011 at 10:19 pm |
    • THE BIBLE IS GARBAGE

      YOU SHOULD READ THE BIBLE. BASED ON YOUR COMMENT, I'M GOING TO SAY YOU DON'T KNOW A THING ABOUT IT. IF YOU EVER GET AROUND TO READING IT AND YOU STILL BELIEVE IN IT THEN I'LL KNOW YOU WEREN'T PAYING ATTENTION TO WHAT YOU WERE READING. I'VE READ IT COVER TO COVER OVER A DOZEN TIMES. IT'S LOADED WITH LIES.

      November 16, 2011 at 10:30 pm |
    • NHTK - 111

      Satan read it from cover to cover, multi-tudes of times. But he can't comprehend it with his dark evil mind. And you it certainly looks like you've got his spirit!
      God is shrouded in mystery to the eyes of those who are His enemies. Man(kind) can not understand God, His Word, His nature nor His character without His Spirit, who is the Spirit of Truth. And He is given only to those who HUMBLE themselves before Him.
      He is the LORD, HE is the King of creation, and we are no more then little worms wallowing in the dust of this earth. If you can't agree that it is so, you've got your answer then, why you can not understand God, the Bible , and why His Word brings confusion to you! But you still heave no excuse, because God provided everything for you to know Him, yet HE will not force Himself on you. Do you understand that?

      November 16, 2011 at 10:45 pm |
    • THE BIBLE IS GARBAGE

      YOU HAVEN'T READ THE BIBLE : )

      GET TO READING BEFORE SPOUTING MORE GARBAGE. I'VE READ IT. I UNDERSTAND IT. IT'S EASY TO READ, BLACK AND WHITE. AND THAT'S WITHOUT INTERPRETING. I NEVER SAID I WAS CONFUSED BY THE BIBLE. IF I WAS CONFUSED, I'D STILL BE A CHRISTIAN.

      November 16, 2011 at 10:51 pm |
    • Passive Aggressive

      Hey Bible, are your fingers so fuking fat that you can't use the Shift key?? If so, I can forgive your obnoxious posts. Otherewise, TURN OFF THE CAPS LOCK DORK WEED!

      November 16, 2011 at 10:54 pm |
    • John Proctor

      NHTK 111,

      Thanks for the lovely torture and death, Prism.

      (you still haven't watched "The Crucible", have you?)

      November 16, 2011 at 10:56 pm |
    • THE BIBLE IS GARBAGE

      THE CAPS WILL STAY ON. AS WILL YOUR INCESSANT WHINING UNDER MULTIPLE SCREEN NAMES. BOO HOO.

      November 16, 2011 at 11:28 pm |
    • THE BIBLE IS GARBAGE FAN

      I do like a lot of what you say, but really, in this strange milieu of internet posting, all caps make it look like you are continually screaming and ranting. It takes away from your impact. A well-placed all-caps word can be effective once in a while, but many readers will automatically pass over your posts because of past experience with the type of people who insist on doing it.

      You might say, "TOO BAD, IT'S THEIR LOSS", but it's a loss for all of us who happen to want your message to be read.

      November 16, 2011 at 11:42 pm |
    • Ah....wait just a second

      So Satan read the bible, huh ? When exactly did she do that, in Hebrew?, in Greek?, in Latin? ....and which version did she read ? Did she get an advance copy, before the bishops and politicians fought over, and voted on, which books were going to be a part of it, or did she wait to find out which texts not to bother with ?

      November 17, 2011 at 12:18 am |
    • jacques lepin

      this "bible is garbage" boy is stressed maybe he needs god back in his life.
      The bible isn't to be read but to be studied, it is more than 2000 years old translated from another language a lot of things in there must be studied in relation to ancient history and with the original hebrew in order to understand it.

      November 17, 2011 at 6:51 am |
    • NHTK - 111

      JP,
      Don't thank me... If you end up (there), you'll have yourself to thank. God did not leave us orphaned, He provided the Way. It's your own pride and rebellion that keeps you where you are and leads you where you're going. Why spouting words of blame at me?
      Prism

      November 17, 2011 at 7:48 am |
    • Woody

      THE BIBLE IS GARBAGE writes:

      "MANY BANDS HAVE STOOD THE TEST OF TIME BY ALTERING THEIR SOUND TO APPEASE NEW GENERATIONS. SOME PEOPLE CALL THIS SELLING OUT. METALLICA DID IT"

      My idea of hell would be being force fed Metallica and all the other sound alike headbanger bands for all eternity.

      November 17, 2011 at 9:13 am |
    • Joxer the Mighty

      @ NHTK – 111 Every time you post something it reminds me of the Pharisees from the new testament. Always condemning people for breaking this or that law and having no love or compassion.

      November 17, 2011 at 10:04 am |
    • TR6

      @NHTK – 111: “If George Carlin could only come back and tell you !!!”

      If my choice is to be in heaven with nut bags like you or in hell with sages like George Carlin (Einstein, Gandi…). I’ll take hell

      November 17, 2011 at 9:54 pm |
    • TR6

      @NHTK – 111: “Satan read it from cover to cover, multi-tudes of times. But he can't comprehend it with his dark evil mind.” Know Satan personally do you? Talk with him often enough to understand his mind? Your delusions of grandeur are showing.

      “God provided everything for you to know Him, yet HE will not force Himself on you”. Your god has provided NOTHING for me to know him. Not one scrap of evidence. If your god cared 0.001% percent as much about me knowing him as you say he does he would show up in person and clearly tell me about it; but, all I get is 3rd party snake oil salesmen telling me about an omnipotent god that can and does everything; yet, the only thing they can show me is an 2000 year old, self-contradictory book of sadistic fairy tales. What part of CON JOB don’t you understand?

      November 17, 2011 at 10:11 pm |
    • NHTK - 111

      TR6,
      You reveal much pride and arrogance in your comment. If your att-itude didn't stink the way it does, maybe God would draw near to you, and reveal Himself to you! He says that He is nigh (close) to those who are of humble and contrite(repentant) spirit, but the proud He knows from afar. In those words is the heart of your problem. To you has been given the same as to everyone else, which is the conscience, on which is written the knowledge of God. But your own pride and rebellion has silenced the voice of your conscience to the point of being dead. But that's what happens when man's Self sits on the "throne" of his heart and life, and he shuts out his Maker. But there will be no excuse for anyone... You can fret now and reject, or you'll bear the consequences later. God DID provide everything. It's your fault if you reject!
      As for your words of choosing helll instead the place with God......those worlds will hount you throughout Eternity!

      November 18, 2011 at 7:27 am |
  6. NTHK - 111

    Glad to see some leave that apostate Episcopal "church". Catholics have their set of heresies, but Episcopals have become an abomination! Whitewashed tombstones!

    November 16, 2011 at 9:28 pm |
    • Trystan

      All religions are an abomination to the advancement of humanity.

      November 17, 2011 at 12:01 am |
    • HotAirAce

      It's always amusing when one group of believers criticizes another group of believers. You would have thought an all powerful god would have a single well understood brand and message.

      November 17, 2011 at 12:03 am |
    • Ah....wait just a second

      You sound like a very happy, loving, content Christian........................ NOT !

      November 17, 2011 at 12:20 am |
    • Joxer the Mighty

      @ NHTK – 111 Every time you post something it reminds me of the Pharisees from the new testament. Always condemning people for breaking this or that law and having no love or compassion..

      November 17, 2011 at 10:05 am |
  7. MLutheran

    OK-everybody just relax. The fact is-the Roman Catholic Church is not a democracy. You either except the teachings and the changes in the new Mass or according to Catholic Doctrine, if you reject the Church's teachings, you reject God. You have a choice...Leaving the Catholic Church does not mean God will abandon you. I left and became a Lutheran(ELCA). We have the Mass every sunday(and during the week) I discovered I could use my brain and my faith. There are many good Catholic Priests who do not like this new "change" in the liturgy. They have no choice-they took a vow of obedience to man called the pope, which Catholic teaching says is the "representation" of Christ-on earth. That's called dictation. Believe what you want,but Rome doesn't have you best spiritual interests at heart.

    November 16, 2011 at 7:02 pm |
    • Ah....wait just a second

      Diocesan priests don't take any vows. Isn't dictation what Mrs. Wiggins took from Mr. Tudball ? And, last, but not least, the church used to be a democracy, a long, long time ago.

      November 16, 2011 at 7:30 pm |
    • Lee

      Glad you found a faith community that you feel comfortable in, but does that mean you have to slam the one you left? Very Christian of you. Been a Catholic all my life and probabaly will stay that way. I don't feel dictated to in any way. I don't feel the pope standing over my shoulder and telling me what to think or say. The Catholic Church has always taught that you must obey your conscience (it however must be a well informed one). Glad you found ELCA but don't bash my church. Why doesn't Rome have my best spiritual intentions at heart? No one in Rome is getting rich from me, so what else would be their aim?

      November 16, 2011 at 8:04 pm |
    • mohammed was a catholic priest and lover of alter boys

      The catholic corporation teaches that you can do whatever you want as long as you show up to confession and tell some guy in a suit what sins you've committed. That sure sounds biblical to me. Just like praying to mary and the saints. The catholic corporation is one of the most moronic organizations on the planet. Duping people for hundreds of years, torturing and killing it's way into power. I wish it would just go bankrupt and tank like Chris Farley on a coke binge. It's nothing but filth and garbage. The fact that people actually go to it's churches blows my mind. It is so obvious how screwed up it is and how out of line it is with the bible's teachings that it proves that catholics don't know squat about the bible.

      November 16, 2011 at 9:21 pm |
    • Smite Me

      mohammad, "how out of line it is with the bible's teachings"

      The Bible is bunk anyway, other than a bit of Hebrew historical fiction and some morality tales, so who cares? Your Catholic church slams are encouraged, however.

      p.s. "alter" means "to change" - are the boys of whom you speak transe-xuals or something?
      * the word is "altar".

      November 16, 2011 at 11:12 pm |
  8. JimmyRC

    Lots of anti-Catholic posts here; not a surprise. So-called "open-minded" people still find it fashionable to act like bigots to any religions and faith systems they do not like. So, make fun of the crucifix, the Virgin Mary, the sacraments, etc. You are in the same category as the Christian fundamentalists who slam Catholics, Orthodox Christians, Jews, and anyone else who does not accept their narrow, bigoted version of religion.

    November 16, 2011 at 6:34 pm |
    • mohammed was a catholic priest and lover of alter boys

      lol @ the word "bigot." Hateful morons like to use the word "bigot" as much as humanly possible to insult people that bring up valid points. Sucks to be you.

      November 16, 2011 at 9:22 pm |
  9. Bo

    @Chris, if you want intelligent answers, this just another scheme for the Papacy's agenda to enfold ALL religions and churches under it's control.

    November 16, 2011 at 6:20 pm |
    • John Richardson

      Yeah, today a handful of discontented Epsicopalians, tomorrow the world!

      Bo is an endless font of wisdom, doncha know ...

      November 17, 2011 at 8:13 am |
  10. William Demuth

    Perhaps the Episco's have the solution.

    If Gay priests were allowed to bugger other Gay priests, perhaps they wouldn't bugger the clientele?

    Perhaps given adult outlets for their desire they might leave the boys alone.

    And if they let Nuns marry other Nuns, maybe my daughter might someday have a straight gym teacher?

    Alas I guess we will never know

    November 16, 2011 at 5:36 pm |
    • NOo..oON

      @William Demuth,
      Perhaps if ho.mose.xuality was more acceptable, you wouldn't need to be so cons.picuously against it.

      November 16, 2011 at 5:45 pm |
  11. nown

    Do they get Crucifix Upgrade Kits, with glue and a tortured body of Jesus to add to their crosses?

    November 16, 2011 at 5:05 pm |
    • William Demuth

      Not to mention the staple on instant virginity kit their wives get!

      November 16, 2011 at 5:09 pm |
  12. Bucky Ball

    I am confused. Why would CNN publish a story that says "The Roman Catholic Church is establishing a program to help disaffected American Episcopalians to join the Catholic fold – including married Episcopal priests who want to become Catholic priests – it announced Tuesday." ? Are they sort of behind on their reading ? This "program" was announced by Rome right before the Pope's visit to England well over a year ago. There was no wholesale flight from the Anglican communion to Rome. Yes a few parishes did vote to leave, (the Anglicans), (which is of course VERY ironic, as it was the LAST time they will EVER be VOTING on anything, after joining the RC's). But the missing part of the this picture is the demographic fact that the majority of ALL Anglican communities, in the US anyway, is 60-80 % comprised of EX-Catholics, and EX-Lutherans. So the direction of the movement is BY FAR, in the opposite direction. And then of course, the question arises, that if the Roman church recognizes Anglican "orders" as authentic, (which they always HAVE, in the cases where the Apostolic succession can be docu'mented), why do they have to "RE-ordain" these priests ? How very inconsistent. 😈

    November 16, 2011 at 5:01 pm |
    • William Demuth

      I appreciate the humour

      They, much like we Americans do seem to have a proclivity for voting to suspend democracy.

      I guess we get the country AND the church we deserve!

      November 16, 2011 at 5:06 pm |
  13. Reality

    The Crises in the contemporary Catholic Church: (so why would an Episcopalian want to join said church?)

    .The inappropriate conduct of many priests, the emotional stress on the victims and the resultant billion dollars in lawsuits.

    The lack of talent in the priesthood.

    The lack of Vatican response to the historic Jesus movement.

    The Church's continuing cling to original sin and the resulting subsets of crazy ideas like limbo.

    The denial of priesthood to women.

    The restriction of priesthood to single men (unless you are former Episcopalian priests),

    The continued chain of Vatican "leadership" by old European white men.

    Inane “birth control".

    Suffering of the aged that need not be.

    November 16, 2011 at 4:55 pm |
  14. Occupy Belief Blog

    Chris, everyone I see on here typically has pretty educated and intellegent takes, except you. Even William, although he is pre-occupied with ho mo se xuals knows the church very well. Perhaps you would do well to educate YOURSELF.

    November 16, 2011 at 4:45 pm |
    • William Demuth

      Occupy

      Preoccupied?

      This is an article about pedo priests buggering boys isn't it? Seems like the correct venue for my concerns don't you think?

      November 16, 2011 at 4:56 pm |
    • Occupy Belief Blog

      William, we went throught this yesterday. No it is not and you are thick.

      November 16, 2011 at 5:17 pm |
    • Occupy Belief Blog

      William, Anita Bryant just called, she said you are late for tea.

      November 16, 2011 at 5:21 pm |
    • William Demuth

      Occupy

      Denial is more than a river in Egypt.

      This article is about Catholic repression of Gay people and the price society pays for their bigotry.

      The root is the same. Drives can NOT be suppressed, and when they are, it is kids and the vulnerable that pay the price.

      November 16, 2011 at 5:24 pm |
    • Occupy Belief Blog

      William, man my phone is ringing off the hook. The 70's called, they want your research back.

      November 16, 2011 at 5:26 pm |
    • William Demuth

      Occupy Belief Blog

      I sugest you read a bit more than web md my young freind.

      You seem to be blinded by political correctness.

      If my position is so off mark, perhaps you might explain why the majority of the victims were males between 8 and 11?

      And don't say altar boys, the majority of the victims were orphans in mixed gender schools.

      If the priest had equal choice of victims, why then the males?

      November 16, 2011 at 5:32 pm |
    • Occupy Belief Blog

      Ok you are right.

      November 16, 2011 at 5:36 pm |
    • William Demuth

      Occupy Belief Blog

      Of course. Hopefully I have enlightened you!

      In any event, its been a goof.

      November 16, 2011 at 5:37 pm |
    • Occupy Belief Blog

      No, I am just trying to work and you are distracting me.

      November 16, 2011 at 5:41 pm |
    • Occupy Belief Blog

      William,
      Pull your head out of your a ss and out of the 70's and read up.
      http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html

      November 16, 2011 at 7:15 pm |
  15. chris

    All of you people posting to this site are ignorant and obviously know nothing about the Roman Catholic Church or the Anglican (also catholic) Communion. You only post these ignorant and hateful messages because of the anonymity than the internet offers. Please educate yourselves and try to contribute something useful.

    November 16, 2011 at 3:39 pm |
    • ThinkForYourself

      Then please educate the rest of us and tell us why we're wrong on the RCC's teachings on its communion.

      November 16, 2011 at 3:40 pm |
    • William Demuth

      Chris

      Your preachers bugger little boys and defraud little old ladies.

      You have a disease of the mind so you can't see simple truths.

      As for as your church, I am as informed as any average ten men combined, and have studied your cult for over half a century.

      It is high time it fade into the anals of history, like the earlier cults it was based on.

      November 16, 2011 at 3:43 pm |
    • Occupy Belief Blog

      "Anals" of history William? Freudian slip?

      November 16, 2011 at 4:33 pm |
    • William Demuth

      Occupy Belief Blog

      Actualy posted as intended.

      If you review the past year or so, I do enjoy innuendo quite a bit!

      November 16, 2011 at 4:55 pm |
    • Occupy Belief Blog

      Well in that case William it is VERY funny. LOL

      November 16, 2011 at 4:56 pm |
    • Ed

      @Think, I haven't seen any of you post anything reference the Cathloic communion or teachings. Just the typical cheap insults.

      @Chris, I stopped bothering with this bunch they only want to make distastful jokes and unfair assumptions. They all know the umber of priest invovled in the pedophilia is a very small number. But they all say don't confus us with the facts my minds made up. Especially William you is prehaps the most arrogant and in the top 5 a hateful people on the blog (and thats saying quite a lot). I agree with them the abuse was criminal and the church handled it extremely poorly. They should have done so much more much much faster. However not everything they do is bad this group just doesn't care. If William is an example of a good Atheist I fell sorry for them.

      November 16, 2011 at 5:09 pm |
    • William Demuth

      Ed

      60 percent of churces!

      40,000 plus KNOW victims in the past fifty years.

      Do the math, that 1.6 million since the Christ fable was fabricated.

      November 16, 2011 at 5:21 pm |
  16. Nonimus

    What about disaffected Catholics?

    November 16, 2011 at 3:32 pm |
    • ThinkForYourself

      http://www.atheists.org

      November 16, 2011 at 3:33 pm |
    • William Demuth

      They buy magic undies and become Mormons, or they eat the poisened Fallafel and become Camel Jockeys.

      A few even shake off the schackles of mental slavery and evolve into athiests

      November 16, 2011 at 3:35 pm |
    • Cashawk

      Eastern Orthodoxy

      November 16, 2011 at 6:12 pm |
  17. William Demuth

    There is always plenty of room in the hate shack!

    These sub cults seem to swap allegiances more than they swap spit with the altar boys.

    Wake up people, you can't swear God is one God, and his Church is a divine creation, and them bail out to find a new one when you disagree with it.

    It makes you look, for want of a better word Romneyish.

    November 16, 2011 at 2:56 pm |
    • hippypoet

      "Romneyish" LOVE IT! lol

      November 16, 2011 at 3:03 pm |
  18. hippypoet

    everyone wants a nazi leader these days huh!

    I mean i could see if he was cute, but this guy looks like he fell outta the ugly tree and hit every branch going down!

    November 16, 2011 at 2:41 pm |
  19. J.W

    There are probably gay clergymen everywhere. They may have to learn to accept it.

    November 16, 2011 at 2:34 pm |
  20. Bootyfunk

    episcopalian cult not ho_mo_phobic enough for you? not enough hatred? join the catholic cult! woohoo! we still adhere to bronze age ethics. we still hate women too!

    November 16, 2011 at 2:34 pm |
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