November 19th, 2011
10:31 PM ET

The gospel according to Herman Cain

By Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Editor’s note: This is part of an occasional series of stories looking at the faith of the leading 2012 presidential candidates, including Mitt Romney, Rick Perry and Newt Gingrich. We profiled the faith journey of Herman Cain before he suspended his campaign.

(CNN) – On a bright spring day in 2007, a black-robed Herman Cain officiated the wedding of a young couple at a mansion outside of Atlanta. The sun sparkled on the pair’s wedding rings as Cain, an associate minister at a nearby church, held them aloft.

All seemed perfect.

When it came time for the bride and groom to exchange vows, however, Cain was dissatisfied with the volume of the groom’s “I do.”

"Say it louder," Cain told Matt Carrothers.

“When he tells you to say, ‘I do,’” the groom recalled, “it almost sounds like the voice of God telling you that and you take it very seriously.”

In the race for the Republican presidential nomination, Herman Cain is not seen as a candidate who wears his faith on his sleeve. Mitt Romney’s Mormonism, Rick Santorum’s Catholicism and Michele Bachmann’s evangelical Christianity have all garnered much more attention than Cain’s Baptist-flavored beliefs.

On the campaign trail, Cain is more apt to talk about his business acumen and leadership skills than his faith. His unlikely rise as a straight-talking White House contender was pegged largely to the popularity among fiscal conservatives of his “9-9-9” tax plan.

But those who know Cain describe him as a devout Christian who leans on his faith in times of hardship. That would appear to include the present moment, when a flurry of sexual harassment allegations and a viral video of a Libya interview gaffe are renewing doubts about Cain’s legitimacy as a candidate.

Indeed, Cain’s religiosity runs deep enough that he regularly delivers sermons at his childhood church, has recorded a gospel music album and has a traveling minister as part of his campaign apparatus.

Carrothers - who worked as Cain’s political director during his failed 2004 bid for a U.S. Senate seat from Georgia - says one of Cain’s favorite sayings is, “There’s our plan, and then there’s God’s plan.”

Rev Herman Cain presides over the wedding of Matt Carrothers and Debra Ann Delong.

“You may think that things are going wrong in your life,” Carrothers says, paraphrasing the candidate, “but just step back it will always get better.”

Faith and work, hand in hand

Cain’s faith journey began at a young age. Born in Tennessee and raised in Georgia, he and his parents joined Antioch Baptist Church North in Atlanta when he was 10.

The 134-year-old, historically black church was founded by freed slaves. For the Cain family, faith in God and hard work went hand in hand.

Cain has written that his family grew up so poor they were “po.” His mother was a maid and his father at times worked three jobs at once: as a barber, a janitor at Pillsbury and a chauffeur for Coca-Cola executives.

His father, Cain writes in his 2011 book, “This is Herman Cain! My Journey to the White House,” worked and saved enough to buy a modest home and quit two of his jobs, rising in the ranks at Coca-Cola to become the CEO's private chauffeur.

Herman Cain, meanwhile, would climb the corporate ladder, rising to become the CEO of Godfather’s Pizza, based in Omaha, Nebraska, and then head of the National Restaurant Association, where the sexual harassment charges originated.

Cain has always considered Antioch his spiritual home. The candidate declined to comment for this article, but Fred Robinson, a former Antioch minister who left to form his own church, says Cain’s late parents were pillars of the church.

Cain greets potential caucus voters prior to speaking at an Iowa Faith & Freedom Coalition event earlier this year.

After he returned to Antioch amid “great fanfare” in 2000, Robinson says, Cain became a fixture in the deacon’s corner, a row of seats near the pulpit.

On any Sunday, Cain could be seen sitting with the other deacons in his favorite light-blue dress shirt shouting, “Preach Rev!” or “Say it.”

Cain became a licensed associate minister at Antioch in 2002.

The liberal church of Herman Cain

“Like most ministers, I felt called to preach the word of God and minister to the least, the last, and the lost, and minister to His people,” he told Christianity Today.

Antioch officials and Senior Pastor Cameron Alexander declined interview requests, saying the church doesn’t divulge information about members or staff.

But congregants paint a picture of Cain as deeply involved, part of a group of associate ministers known as the Sons of Antioch. Members say that if a man feels called by God to preach, he can approach the senior pastor about it. A trial sermon is then arranged.

If the congregation and pastor approve, the man undergoes training in scripture and preaching and can be licensed by the church to preach.

The Sons of Antioch are given the honorific of “reverend.” The positions are unpaid.

Antioch is part of the National Baptist Convention, USA, Inc. but like many Baptist churches, it operates largely autonomously. The process of appointing ministers is particular to the church.

As an associate minister, Cain sometimes preaches at Antioch and regularly helps distribute the elements of communion, a role he has kept up while campaigning for president.

Valencia Seay, a Georgia state senator and longtime member of the church, falls on the opposite end of the political spectrum from Cain. But she said they put politics aside on Sunday mornings.

From the pulpit, Cain is “charismatic, he is knowledgeable, he is on point, and he knows the Word.”

“He can lift a hymn,” she said. “It’s always enjoyable to hear a minister who can not only deliver a powerful message but also finish it with a song that speaks to that message.”

While in Omaha at Godfather’s Pizza, Cain put his singing to work, directing a men’s chorus at Pilgrim Baptist Church and cutting a CD of gospel tunes. The proceeds went to charity.

On the campaign, Cain sometimes sings for supporters and once serenaded reporters with a hymn at the National Press Club.

God-centered self-determinism

For all his church involvement, Cain’s message of self-determinism is seemingly at odds with Antioch’s focus on social justice.

The Rev. Gerald Durley, senior pastor of Providence Missionary Baptist Church in Atlanta, told CNN that Cain’s call for blacks to forget about racism and pull themselves up by their bootstraps doesn’t mesh with the philosophy of Antioch’s pastor.

“He’s not going to talk about pulling yourself up by your bootstraps,” Durley says of Antioch’s pastor, Cameron Alexander. “It’s about providing bootstraps.”

Since becoming an associate minister at Antioch, Cain has preached in pulpits around the country, often eschewing the big paydays of motivational speaking gigs for modest preaching honorariums.

In many of those sermons, Cain has promoted a message of self-reliance.

In 2003, while Cain was running for Senate, he preached at the Crystal Cathedral, a high-profile church in Southern California headed at the time by the Rev. Robert Schuller.

“I told Bob that I was so excited that it inspired me to prepare a two-hour message for you this morning,” Cain told the congregation.

“Bob said, ‘That’s great, as long as you can do it in 20 minutes,’” Cain joked.

Cain’s sermon, which was beamed around the globe as part of Crystal Cathedral’s “Hour of Power” TV broadcast, focused on the biblical verse Mark 8:36.

“For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?” Cain quoted.

As he continued, Cain's message seemed to harmonize with his libertarian politics.

“Finding your purpose in life is a continuous process that God reveals to each of us when we are ready and when God is ready,” he said. “Living our purpose in life is a decision.”

In the gospel according to Herman Cain, God may lay out plans, but it is up to each believer to push forward - regardless of obstacles - to reach that goal.

For Cain, that’s meant repeatedly running for political office despite his failure to win.

Cain addresses the Northern Virginia Technology Council and the Consumer Electronic Association earlier this month in McLean, Virginia.

From the pulpit of the Crystal Cathedral, Cain traced his political career to an epiphany that accompanied the birth of his granddaughter in 1999.

“The first thought, so help me God, that went through my mind when I looked at that little face was, ‘What do I do to use my talents to make this a better world?’” Cain said. “God had revealed my next purpose in life at an unexpected moment.”

In his 2005 book, “They Think You're Stupid: Why Democrats Lost Your Vote and What Republicans Must Do to Keep It,” Cain said that epiphany led to worrying about
leaving Social Security and Medicare a “mess” for her.

“For three and a half years I would not be able to answer the question of what do I do to make this a better world,” Cain writes. “But I would often reflect on the words of the prophet Isaiah (40:31): ‘They that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles.’”

In 1999, Cain formed Citizens for Cain Exploratory Committee to test the waters for a presidential bid in 2000, the National Journal reported at the time. He made campaign stops in Iowa and New Hampshire, according to press reports, which focused on his business acumen and the fact that he was a black GOP candidate, not his religious proclivities. He eventually backed Republican candidate Steve Forbes and joined Forbes' campaign as a national co-chairman.

Three and a half years later, Cain ran for the U.S. Senate, saying the decision had been divinely inspired.

“Being on a God-inspired fast track of success and surviving the many things that could have gone wrong was no accident,” he writes.

He woke early one morning to study the Bible as he wrestled with whether to run for Senate.

The Bible fell on the floor, Cain writes, and opened to Matthew 18, where Jesus asks, “What good is it for a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul?” - the same words he would quote from a different gospel at the Crystal Cathedral.

Later that week, Cain writes, he heard a sermon titled “The Calling” by Alexander at Antioch. After the service, Cain consulted with the pastor.

Cain said he felt God was calling him to run for Senate. According to Cain, the pastor responded: "How much louder does God have to tell you something?"

Not long after, Cain threw his hat in the ring.

Looking for God’s road signs

He would lose in the Republican primary to now-U.S. Sen. Johnny Isakson, but Cain took a respectable 26% of the vote. Being a millionaire black conservative made him somewhat of a novelty, and he attracted lots of national and local press.

The experience helped Cain land a conservative radio talk show in Atlanta, a book deal and appearances on national television.

Indeed, Cain sees God’s hand in his 2004 loss. Referring to his radio show, Cain writes, “I believe that having that program was God’s way of forcing me to understand the critical issues confronting our nation.”

While his radio career was humming along, Cain faced a major challenge in February 2006, when he was diagnosed with colon cancer.

The diagnosis tested the faith of Cain and his wife, Gloria. But he saw the hand of God at various points in his treatment.

After the initial diagnosis, Cain’s Atlanta doctor wanted him to get a second opinion from a specialist in Savannah, Georgia, some five hours away by car. Cain didn’t want go, but then he learned the specialist’s name: Dr. Lord. That was the first sign.

Later, Cain went to MD Anderson Cancer Center, a Houston hospital specializing in cancer treatment, after his business pal Boone Pickens called to get him in.

The nurse who gave Cain and his wife their orientation tour at the hospital was named Grace. Yet another sign, Cain writes.

And when it was time for surgery, the doctors explained they would be making a J-shaped incision. “Like J-E-S-U-S?” Cain asked the doctor. The candidate would go on to call the incision a “Jesus cut.”

“You see, the Lord gives you these road signs - that is, if you know how to recognize them,” Cain writes.

By January 2007, Cain was cancer-free. The road signs began to change. He returned to the radio airwaves and began sowing the seeds of a run for president.

‘You got the wrong man, Lord!’

Herman Cain did not want to run for president. He did not want to be president. But God told him to.

In a campaign speech in early November, he told the Georgia Young Republicans he never considered running for president until he saw President Barack Obama’s “arrogant disregard for the people,” which he said weakened the county's economy, military and standing in the world.

“That’s when I prayed and prayed and prayed. … More praying than I’ve ever had to do in my life.

“When I finally realized that this was God saying what I needed to do, I was like Moses. ‘You got the wrong man, Lord! Are you sure?’ Now, you're not supposed to doubt God. But I'm going, ‘I think maybe you're looking at somebody else.’”

Cain announced his candidacy for president in January.

Cain speaks during a campaign visit to Versailles, a Cuban restaurant, in the Little Havana neighborhood of Miami on Wednesday.

To be sure, Cain is hardly the only candidate who has said that God wants him or her to run for president. Rick Perry and Bachmann have expressed similar sentiments.

“Maybe God just wants a good race,” says Larry Sabato, director of the Center for Politics at the University of Virginia.

Sabato points to the large numbers of religious Republican voters in the Iowa caucuses and South Carolina primary. Many voters in those states “respond to language like that,” Sabato says.

Benny Tate, senior pastor of Rock Springs Church in Milner, Georgia, has accompanied Cain on the campaign trail, joining the candidate on recent trips to Ohio and New Hampshire. Tate said whenever they stop to eat on the road, “Herman will literally bow his head and thank God for that food. It may be something small, like a sandwich, but I’ve never seen Herman have a meal where he didn’t thank God for the meal.”

Despite that piety, Cain has had his fair share of trouble with the Christian Right.

In an October interview with CNN’s Piers Morgan, Cain seemed to mix two disparate positions on abortion. He said he believes life begins at conception and that he opposes abortion in all cases.

But he also said government ought to stay out of a family’s decision - a line that seemed to speak to Cain’s limited government, tea party-flavored conservativism.

The comment enraged many anti-abortion groups and is featured in a new web ad for Bachmann that’s aimed at positioning the Minnesota congresswoman as the true anti-abortion candidate.

While most of the other Republican candidates have reached out to Focus on the Family, an influential evangelical organization and long a stopover for GOP figures, the group has not heard from Cain.

But those who know him say Cain’s focus on economic issues is an outgrowth of his faith and his view of an individual’s ability to chart his or her own course.

“Herman sees the pressing issues of our day are economic,” Tate said. “Because of his faith he sees that that can turn around. One way he sees that is through personal responsibility.

“Herman believes that, ‘By the sweat of thy face thou shall eat bread,’” Tate said, referring to Genesis 3:19, in which Adam and Eve are banished from the Garden of Eden.

Cain has used this idea to criticize the Occupy Wall Street movement.

“Don't blame Wall Street, don't blame the big banks,” he recently told The Wall Street Journal. “If you don't have a job and you're not rich, blame yourself!”

That idea is not original to Cain. It is one long found in black churches.

“The fiscal conservative thread … not being dependent on anybody else, especially not ‘the white man,’ is a theme that is decades old in the black community,” said Bishop Harry Jackson of Hope Christian Church, a black megachurch in Maryland.

Jackson, who was invited to give an opening prayer when Cain kicked off his presidential campaign, says Cain is representative of many conservative black evangelicals - though he might not be getting many votes from the folks at Antioch.

The question remains whether Cain’s blend of self-determination and striving to complete what he sees as God’s plan will land him the Republican presidential nomination - whether he wants it or not.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Baptist • Belief • Christianity • Georgia • Herman Cain • Politics • Race • United States

soundoff (1,421 Responses)
  1. Aaron

    Your spiritual leader belongs in your church, synagogue, mosque, temple or cathedral. Presidents are executive officers who should primarily be concerned with the operation of a government that represents the overall common interests and security of a diverse group of people. That government's job, and therefore the President's job, is to ensure that everyone has the same basic rights to live out their individual lives in peace despite their differing individual religious, political, moral and philosophical views. Is that so hard to understand?

    No President or member of the government should strive to codify their own religious views and impose them on everyone else. It is not a Catholic nation, Muslim nation, Buddhist nation, Mormon nation or even a Christian nation. It is, in fact, a nation where Catholics, Muslims, Buddhists, Mormons and Christians are all free to rule their own religious lives. If you are a Jehovah's Witness and you don't want a life-saving blood transfusion – then don't have one. If you are a Muslim or an Orthodox Jew and you don't want to touch pork products – then don't. If you are a Buddhist and you don't want to crush a bug out of respect for all life – then don't. But whatever you do, don't ask your political leaders to shape the laws of the land with a special respect for your personal religious views. That's your personal life. Keep it over there where all personal things are kept. Treat politics and government policy as a kind of natural ground where religion has nothing to do with it.

    November 21, 2011 at 2:12 am |
    • Mirosal

      @ Aaron .. read Article 6 of the US Consti'tution ... you've said pretty much the same thing, but it's spelled out in simpler terms 🙂

      November 21, 2011 at 2:17 am |
  2. Scott

    Still waiting for even a modest exploration of Rev Jeremiah Wright, Trinity Lutheran Church, and it's Black Liberation Theology which was founded out of failed Communist revolutions in South/Central America. Is it possible that after 20 years in the church, Barack and Michele might have some Liberation Theology views that guide their lives and political philosophies.

    November 21, 2011 at 1:53 am |
    • Observer

      What racist comment did Rev. Wright make?

      November 21, 2011 at 1:56 am |
    • Observer

      Still waiting for any proof that Obama is a racist or Communist. ZERO PROOF so far. Guess again.

      November 21, 2011 at 2:01 am |
    • Mirosal

      I personally couldn't care any less if someone running is white, black, red, yellow, polka-dot pink or martian green. It makes no difference. These Republicans and tea-baggers are all about style over substance, and that is NOT what we need. If I want style I'd watch E! Network. And to use the "god" card .. well, couldn't they find another card to pull out of their tarot deck instead? The more they talk about how much faith they have, the more I believe that NONE of them have ever read the Consti'tution. How could you trust someone who has never read it to defend it, as the oath of office spells out?

      November 21, 2011 at 2:08 am |
    • Che-3

      RACIST Toothless Trailer Park Lucifer; when a Black man tells you the TRUTH and the evils of America; he's labeled a Socialist or Communist in your Evil Lucifer play book or evil manifesto. You sound like the evil blood of Lucifer the Devil runs through the veins of each of family members. Does your parents have horns?

      November 21, 2011 at 2:35 am |
  3. Adam

    If you HATE God, then why dont you just say it. Dont tippy toe around the bush with humor.

    November 21, 2011 at 1:34 am |
    • Observer

      Only Christians could hate God. Atheists and agnostics can't hate anyone they don't believer exists.

      November 21, 2011 at 1:38 am |
    • Adam

      you need to look up the definition of agnoticism

      November 21, 2011 at 1:53 am |
    • Observer

      Agnostics don't hate God.

      You need to look up the word.

      November 21, 2011 at 1:59 am |
    • Veritas

      Hate "god"? What kind of joke is that? If you don't believe in the ridiculous "god" nonsense, you can of course not hate "god". It always amazes me that anyone older than 11 or so, with some amount of education, would actually take these man-made religions seriously.

      November 21, 2011 at 2:43 am |
  4. Lisa Wines

    This is a useless puff piece. Religion and government should NEVER be connected. The religious beliefs of political candidates should NEVER be discussed. CNN is either trying to boost Cain's fading popularity or just trying to fuel the continuous religious zeal fire in the media. The religious right has hijacked the Republican party and turned it into a pandering lunatic clown show and traditional media like CNN has happily followed this carnival, recording all the barking dogs. You guys don't know what true journalism means.

    November 21, 2011 at 1:14 am |
    • Mark from Canada

      Agreed and well said.

      November 21, 2011 at 1:56 am |
    • Che-3

      Well said and ONLY in America. The GOP's are Evil and FAKE Christians if you ask me.

      November 21, 2011 at 2:40 am |
  5. Beavis and Butthead

    Faith is just another word for, my brain is a turd...

    November 21, 2011 at 1:09 am |
    • Beavis and Butthead

      You said turd....ha haha. haha.

      November 21, 2011 at 1:13 am |
  6. Herby Sagues

    When will a rational person (not one that is rational only over certain topics) have a chance of being successful in politics in the US? Since when irrationality is a pre-requisite to be a public servant?

    November 21, 2011 at 12:57 am |
  7. the way

    The way we choose presidents is crazy.

    November 21, 2011 at 12:54 am |
    • Hehe101

      And now we have a guy who thinks "god" will solve everything for us. Talk about a load of bull

      November 21, 2011 at 1:40 am |
    • Mirosal

      ok then .. let's all follow the advice of the Republicans and tea-baggers. Let's get 100 million voters to write in "god" on the ballot, instead of checking off a candidate's name.... go ahead, write it in ... and let's see just what happens on Jan 20th, 2013 .. I dare you!! lol

      November 21, 2011 at 2:14 am |
  8. baatman74

    Cain and anyone who tries to run for office on the 'god' card should thr majority of voters do not want that kind of person in government, religion has been recognized since the Declaration of Independence was written as a dangerous thing in the hands of elected officials. It's interesting thar Cain lost the election then even as he played the 'kik' and 'religion' card, good for the voters!!

    November 21, 2011 at 12:45 am |
  9. tcaros

    Backpage Herman is his name now. He doesn't even make front page news. That's what he gets for reaching up womens' skirts uninvited.

    November 21, 2011 at 12:32 am |
    • baatman74

      lol, you sure hit this nail on the head!!! 'Back Page' Cain is history!

      November 21, 2011 at 12:47 am |
  10. Reality

    Why the Christian Right no longer matters in presidential elections:

    Once again, all the conservative votes in the country "ain't" going to help a "pro-life" presidential candidate, i.e Rick Perry, Mitt Romney, Jon Huntsman, Michele Bachmann, Herman Cain, Ron Paul or Rick Santorum, in 2012 as the "Immoral Majority" rules the country and will be doing so for awhile. The "Immoral Majority" you ask?

    The fastest growing USA voting bloc: In 2008, the 70+ million "Roe vs. Wade mothers and fathers" of aborted womb-babies" whose ranks grow by two million per year i.e. 78+ million "IM" voters in 2012.

    2008 Presidential popular vote results:

    69,456,897 for pro-abortion/choice BO, 59,934,814 for "pro-life" JM.

    And all because many women fail to take the Pill once a day or men fail to use a condom even though in most cases these men have them in their pockets. (maybe they should be called the "Stupid Majority"?)

    (The failures of the widely used birth "control" methods i.e. the Pill and male condom have led to the large rate of abortions ( one million/yr) and S-TDs (19 million/yr) in the USA. Men and women must either recognize their responsibilities by using the Pill or condoms properly and/or use other safer birth control methods in order to reduce the epidemics of abortion and S-TDs.)

    November 21, 2011 at 12:29 am |
    • Herby Sagues

      The catholic church (and a few others) condemn the usage of the pill and condoms. According to them, if you use them, you burn in hell for eternity. I would have thought that a supernatural, all powerful and all seeing being that created a billion galaxies with a quadrillion stars and planets would have better things to do than to ban small rubber bags and pills, but apparently that's what he cares about.

      November 21, 2011 at 1:01 am |
  11. Ali

    Is this the best of the republican candidates out there? Or are these the only ones they can find willing to campaign in a losing cause. Well I guess they will profit off it anyways with the book tours Ect. Democracy my a$$. Obama is already given a second term and he didn't even earn it.

    November 21, 2011 at 12:09 am |
  12. kalamazoo


    November 21, 2011 at 12:03 am |
  13. Thinker's Dam

    I'm confused about the passage from the Bible. It opened to the passage where Jesus said, "For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?" Sorry, but this sounds like advice NOT to run for president, lest he gain the whole world and lose his soul. The Koch brothers seem like a good start at helping him lose his soul. Can anybody say how this can be interpreted to mean he SHOULD run for president?

    November 20, 2011 at 11:54 pm |
  14. Paul

    only a truly imbecile person believes there is political freedom in faith... I didn't need to have any confirmation about the shortsighted vision of any one identifying himself/herself with the GOP, let alone the tea party .. but now at least you have it spelled out ... an entire political party driven by dogmatic lies ... (there is no truth in dogmas) ... you know what will lead to ... never has dogmatic politics created anything good, that's why the USA have been created in the first place, to eliminate religious politically tyranny ... so now you have an African American pledging loyalty to the very same principle supported by those who enslaved his ancestors and wants to keep doing so today.... Good Luck Mr Cain

    November 20, 2011 at 11:53 pm |
  15. ron

    So God told Cain (and Perry and Bachmann) to run for President? When I was growing up in the Baptist Church there was a saying about guys who thought they were "called" to be a minister (but were terrible at it): He saw "G-P" in the clouds and thought it meant "Go Preach," but it really meant "Go Plow." Let's just leave it at this: hearing God is pretty tricky stuff.

    November 20, 2011 at 11:34 pm |
  16. kayla

    wolf in sheep clothing

    November 20, 2011 at 11:24 pm |
    • Che-3

      This uncle tom is a Sunday Christian. He's a real disgrace to the Christian and humanity. He's acting like a master's slave boy.

      November 21, 2011 at 2:06 am |
  17. Fordham Jock

    Isn't Cain supposed to be a minister, or whatever ? Isn't he the one that was advocating against the Mosque in Tennessee, by saying the Muslims were the only religion in the country with their own internal legal system, and thus unconsti'tutional ? Why would a trained minister not know about Canon Law, or Halakha ? Scary. He doesn't even know his own field.

    November 20, 2011 at 11:15 pm |
    • Thomas R

      The Constltution is the Supreme Law in the United States of America. That's it. End of story.
      If any pseudo-legal system like sharia or canon law is used by anyone here, and it violates a person's Constltutional rights, then that expression of that pseudo-legal system is illegal by definition.
      Religious people stumble over this bit of extended logic because extended logic is the bane of religion.
      And equal rights to all citizens also happens to violate most religious beliefs. Thus religion, protected in part by the Constltution, is also constrained by it's equal rights provisions, civil rights, and every protection for citizens that can be legally construed to have legal and binding force upon every single American citizen regardless of their religious beliefs.
      But there will always be friction here and antagonists on both sides, because you cannot reason with people who avoid the use of reason like the plague as religious believers do. That's just how they are and always will be. Their use of reason and logic is minimalist or non-existent in areas where their religion "holds sway".
      Should a religion that strongly advocates the ra.ping of small children be allowed to express their religious laws when this violates the rights of the child and our child-abuse laws?
      No. Religious law should never be allowed to trump our secular laws. The Constltution is not a religious docu.ment. It is a secular one that we all agree is the Supreme Law of the Land, otherwise we have civil war between citizens of differing beliefs. Equality under the law protects everyone, or at least it is supposed to. Injustice is everywhere and in your favor if you have enough money.

      November 20, 2011 at 11:45 pm |
  18. Madeleine Raymond

    My name is Madeleine Raymond. I am a nurse and I am turning to you for help on the following: Jackson Memorial is going trough difficult financial problems. We went to the governor of Florida, we have spent 2 days lobbying to save the hospital and office . Yet, no answer. We are about to have all 12,000 staff, including doctors and nurses, take 2 weeks off without pay before December 31 to save the hospital. We have given 5 % from our pay check for about 2 yrs now. I will not have Thanksgiving and Christmas for my kids and that goes for most off us at Jackson Memorial Hospital in Florida. Please help me save Jackson Memorial Hospital. We need our job and the patients need our care.

    November 20, 2011 at 11:09 pm |
    • Observer

      Florida voters knew Rick Scott's shady background when they elected that Republican. He's very unpopular and he's done many things that infuriate residents. Nothing new.

      November 20, 2011 at 11:22 pm |
  19. Dan

    Why is this news worthy?

    November 20, 2011 at 11:06 pm |
    • Che-3

      You tell me!
      Worthless news when masses are unemployed, cold and hungry if you ask me. And what does this Sunday Christian says about the poor and the hungry? This Uncle Tom has no soul …. Period. I have never in my life heard a Blackman speak like that of the poor and the hungry.

      November 21, 2011 at 2:03 am |
  20. john

    Sharon Bielek has a new gospel song out, He touched me Oh Oh he touched me , give it up herman ! !

    November 20, 2011 at 10:54 pm |
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